--- Log opened Wed Mar 28 00:00:11 2012 00:00 < ZombieChicken> creepy 00:01 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: If it's their hardware, have them check the damn RAM 00:01 <@Dagmar> MySQL doesn't normally eat itself like that 00:01 <@Dagmar> You may note that we're _never_ having to do that with the MySQL servers at the office, and they're probably under more load. 00:03 <@Bahhumbug> seconded on ram issues, with a sprinkling of disk corruption added for fun's sake. 00:11 <@Evilpig> Before now it was at a hosting company 00:12 <@Evilpig> I think it may be in how SMF actually handles db calls. I need to get in there and look, plus the server wasn't fully optimized to use the available resources well 00:14 <@Evilpig> I find entries like this interesting... 00:14 <@Evilpig> Mar 28 00:13:05 SpydermansForum snmpd[1638]: Connection from UDP: [192.168.254.3]:54847->[192.168.254.37] 00:14 <@Evilpig> Mar 28 00:13:05 SpydermansForum snmpd[1638]: Connection from UDP: [192.168.254.3]:54848->[192.168.254.37] 00:14 <@Evilpig> Mar 28 00:13:05 SpydermansForum snmpd[1638]: Connection from UDP: [192.168.254.3]:54850->[192.168.254.37] 00:14 <@Dagmar> This isn't something you can really fuck up unless you straight up run out of RAM or disk space 00:14 <@Evilpig> it is neither close to being out of memory or disk 00:14 <@Dagmar> MySQL isn't going to let you send it calls that will destroy the database 00:15 <@Evilpig> in any case I think I am gonna run optimize tables nightly because there isn't really any harm to it. reclaiming a little bit of space is meh 00:17 <@Bahhumbug> optimize tables forces a lock on the table as it's being optimized; on a heavily utilized table this may cause contention. 00:19 < rangerz> do it anyways 00:19 < rangerz> who cares about "contention" lol 00:19 < rangerz> you need your red/black tree balanced better 00:19 <@Evilpig> it's happening at 1am. these guys aren't up then 00:20 <@Bahhumbug> spoken truly as someone that's never managed highly utilized db servers / farms. 00:20 <@Evilpig> going over the mysql error log and it looks like this server might have gotten reset around 8:40 yesterday morning 00:20 <@Bahhumbug> Evilpig: I didn't think it would be an issue, just pointing it out. 00:21 <@Evilpig> right. I understand highly available and then I look at the situation i'm in. 00:21 <@Bahhumbug> :) 00:23 <@Evilpig> yup... it did reboot at 8:40... then again at 10ish. I guess I better call teh place that has this server at it and fine out what's up 00:23 <@Evilpig> the one at 10 I got a phone call about and I'm pretty sure one of the dumbshits there turned it off and back on 00:23 <@Bahhumbug> heh, _that_ will cause inconsistencies. 00:23 <@Dagmar> ffs 00:24 <@Evilpig> when I figured out it happened at 10 I was annoyed. but this earlier one pisses me off 00:24 <@Dagmar> It's freaking amateur hour over there 00:24 <@Dagmar> Did the maid need to vacuum in the server closet or what? 00:25 -!- rangerz [~mwalker@c-98-211-44-193.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:26 <@Evilpig> no clue. scanning over the syslog and there are no shutdown events nothing even close to services stopping, looked over the bash_history's and they have nothing from today. I can only assume power was pulled or the switch was used. 00:27 <@Evilpig> but the switch should initiate a shutdown, i'd think. 00:27 <@Dagmar> Not if you push and hold it. 00:27 <@Dagmar> ...but it's more likely someone just unplugged it 00:27 <@Evilpig> I thought that too. it would start to though right? just not finish and turn off 00:27 <@Dagmar> Depends on how fast the ACPI event is set to kick off 00:27 <@Evilpig> good point 00:28 <@Evilpig> i'm emailing the guy that is hosting the hardware and BCC'ing the guy that owns the server. 00:28 <@Dagmar> Either way two powerkill events in one day should result in some Pointed Questions being asked. 00:28 <@Dagmar> ...or at the very least some dirty looks. 00:29 <@Dagmar> As a general rule, you probably want MySQL doing a table check and then optimize at startup 00:29 <@Bahhumbug> or it's flakey hardware that's decided now would be a good time to act up. 00:29 <@Dagmar> Gosh I can't imagine there'd be anything wrong with the hardware. ;) 00:29 <@Dagmar> That's crazy talk 00:30 <@Evilpig> He's already blamed the hardware on a network outage that he caused when he reprovisioned IPs 00:30 <@Bahhumbug> Well, I've long been told I'm nuts, so.... 00:30 <@Evilpig> told the customer he swapped NICs then I proved he did no such thing unless he knew how to change MAC addresses 00:43 <@Evilpig> hrmm. I see this double reboot type thing happened again earlier this month on the 5th 00:43 <@Evilpig> 3:04 in the afternoon then again at 5:05 00:44 <@Evilpig> ahhh yes the 5th was the day he blamed the network card for his IP changing 00:51 <@Dagmar> Yeah I'm thinking that perhaps if that's going to keep happening, you need to recode the mysql init script to check out the tables real careful like before starting the server. 00:51 <@Dagmar> Inconsistent tables go to hell fast 01:06 <@Evilpig> okay you'll like this. 01:06 <@Evilpig> I just did a quick nmap on the host network 01:06 <@Evilpig> telnet 192.168.254.231 01:06 <@Evilpig> ===JetDirect Telnet Configuration=== 01:06 <@Evilpig> HP JetDirect : J6039C 01:07 < ZombieChicken> That a printer? 01:07 <@Evilpig> mDNS Service Name : hp LaserJet 1300n (000E7F338CA6) 01:07 <@Evilpig> yup 01:07 <@Evilpig> now to see if it has an lcd display we can rewrite 01:09 <@Evilpig> nope. just two leds 01:09 < ZombieChicken> Can you make them blink out some Morse Code? 01:10 <@Evilpig> I'm thinking I just make the server print something obnoxious should it get an unscheduled reboot 01:11 < ZombieChicken> "Everytime you reboot me, you kill a tree", then 50 blank pages? 01:12 <@Evilpig> "Server rebooted: please check status lemonparty.com" 01:12 < ZombieChicken> too obvious 01:12 < ZombieChicken> use a URL shortening service 01:13 <@Evilpig> I should get a shower and go get some dinner 01:18 <@Evilpig> Status: Printer Tray Is Empty. Add Paper LOL 01:44 -!- daswork is now known as dasunt 01:45 -!- dasunt [~dasunt@174-20-219-188.mpls.qwest.net] has quit [Changing host] 01:45 -!- dasunt [~dasunt@unaffiliated/dasunt] has joined #se2600 01:45 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dasunt] by ChanServ 01:59 -!- sync350 [~sync@c-24-30-78-161.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 04:29 -!- Corydon76-home [seven@c-69-137-80-31.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:40 -!- Corydon76-home [six@c-69-137-80-31.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 04:40 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Corydon76-home] by ChanServ 06:29 <@Evilpig> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM7-sIqiJFw <-- need to get notlarry to do something like this for PN 07:13 <@coil> ell 07:16 <@Evilpig> guess I should look at getting in bed now 07:30 < MinecraftRelay> Death: *lava* wilpig found out how to encase himself in carbonite. 07:41 < ware> whoa 07:42 < MinecraftRelay> wha? 07:42 <@coil> whoa 07:42 <@coil> woah 07:42 < MinecraftRelay> did I forget to zip up my pants again? 07:42 < ware> :D 07:43 <@coil> its so small 07:43 < MinecraftRelay> this sign transport hub is coming along nicely 07:48 < MinecraftRelay> Death: *enderman* wilpig looked at a enderman the wrong way. 07:49 <@coil> lol owned 07:49 <@Evilpig> if only you knew how bad 07:49 <@Evilpig> it was a 10 enderman gang bang 07:50 < MinecraftRelay> test 07:50 <@coil> i am having map loading probs 07:51 <@coil> then i get http://puu.sh/mMjc 07:52 <@Evilpig> what version of java do you have? 07:52 <@coil> v6 29 07:52 <@Evilpig> I can't explain what the difference is entirely but it is definitely related to memory handling. the 64bit java is 100% stable where the 32 is crash city 07:53 <@coil> i thought i had 64bit java installed 07:53 <@Evilpig> i'm on 1.6 26 myself. 07:56 <@Evilpig> hrmm. weird. the directory looks the same as the 32bit ver. only difference is the 64 doesn't have *32 on it in taskmanager 07:57 <@Evilpig> on that note. to bed with me. gotta work tonight 08:40 -!- phaile [~phaile@gateway/tor-sasl/phaile] has joined #se2600 09:04 <@Dagmar> Careless handling of integer types 09:04 <@Dagmar> Does not work on 64-bit platform when running 32-bit binaries 09:04 <@Dagmar> FUckin' thing is lucky to run for 10 whole minutes 09:05 <@Dagmar> Like 80% of the people I've talked to with 64-bit Windows (including myself) had the 32-bit Java installed as well. Usually *multiple* versions, but it'll default to invoking 32-bit java 09:05 <@Dagmar> Remove em all, install 64-bit 1.6.x, profit 09:09 <@coil> mines running 64bit but yeah i did encounter that at first 09:28 < eryc> on unix the 32b and 64b are the same 09:53 <@Dagmar> YAY http://www.funnysigns.net/files/pot-season-400x316.jpg 09:55 <@Dagmar> Also... WTF http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgJfVRhotlQ 10:44 -!- jb7od [~mfph@gateway/tor-sasl/jb7od] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:48 -!- jb7od [~mfph@gateway/tor-sasl/jb7od] has joined #se2600 10:48 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o jb7od] by ChanServ 11:08 <@Dagmar> Oh wow 11:08 <@Dagmar> I think Comcast has just crossed a line somewhere. 11:09 <@sdodson> A line in the sand! 11:09 <@Dagmar> Apparently they're now offering XBox 360 (Gold sub only) users access to their Video On-Demand services, without counting it against their 250Gb/month bandwidth cap 11:09 <@brimstone> yup 11:09 <@brimstone> they're not limiting one service, they're promoting another 11:10 <@Dagmar> The FCC might actually be able to slap them for that, because it makes them in no small way a competitor to Netflix... and with Netflix you can cross that line pretty quickly 11:10 <@brimstone> it's still crap, just the other side of crap 11:10 <@brimstone> netflix or bittorrent 11:10 <@Dagmar> It is decidedly anticompetitive treatment 11:10 <@brimstone> or amazon prime 11:11 <@Dagmar> I should have realized it, but I was still startled to see how much data my Xoom was using once I started using Netflix 11:11 <@Dagmar> It literally dwarfs every other thing the tablet does, and I only watched like 3-4 movies 11:13 <@brimstone> i'd like comcast to offer a better api for download usage 11:13 <@brimstone> sure you can "login" to a website, but I don't have time for that 11:13 <@brimstone> need a popup 11:13 <@Dagmar> I'd like to see them stop fucking around and just give me IPTV access 11:13 <@brimstone> or auto QoS rules on my router 11:14 <@brimstone> or to just stop with the cap nonsense completely 11:14 <@brimstone> that'd be interesting, each "channel" on a different stream 11:14 <@Dagmar> We could be doing all of this shit with multicast and IPv6 if they'd quit trying to make everything proprietary 11:14 <@Dagmar> ...and it wouldn't be that much fuckin' different from what's going on now 11:15 <@brimstone> eh, i'll just get close to my cap every two months and blow it out of the water every 1/3 11:19 <@Dagmar> I'm considering switching to buisness class, but COmcast and I will have to have "a talk" about that first 11:19 <@Dagmar> It'll be just as much a pain in my ass to switch to AT&T 11:20 <@brimstone> i'd switch to business class if i knew i was going to be on their service for another year 11:20 <@Dagmar> I'm tired of their idiocy and their AUP and their bandwidth cap 11:20 <@brimstone> next location, i'm going the cheapest business class i can get 11:20 <@brimstone> maybe it'll get ride of my "Spammer" blackmark too 11:20 <@brimstone> *rid 11:22 <@Dagmar> Pfft. All comcast IPs are considered sources of spam 11:23 <@Dagmar> You basically have to relay through their mail servers if you're using a comcast.net address. If you're not using a comcast.net address, you'd just better hope people you're trying to deliver to are doing feck all spam filtering 11:33 < MaxieZ> Nah, their SPF is crap. Spoof a received from header and you'll probably make it. 11:34 < MaxieZ> Oh misread. NM 11:46 <@Dagmar> derp 11:46 <@Dagmar> I have been chasing a bug that does not exist. 11:46 <@Dagmar> I r geenus 11:48 <@Dagmar> so, it's important to remember that when you're writing code that is meant to sync a remote filesystem, that perhaps you will not always see the "correct" answers on the local filesystem UNTIL YOU HAVE FUCKING SYNCHED THEM 11:48 <@Dagmar> *headdesk* 11:48 <@Dagmar> I *knew* there was something big I was missing. 12:02 <@Dagmar> Hmm... Looks like Saturday is 'Fail Day' 12:43 <@brimstone> yay fail day! 12:46 <@Dagmar> I'm sure the guys who run the root servers are snickering to themselves right now. 12:46 <@Dagmar> "Oh yeah right you're going to DDoS us? We call that 'Tuesday'." 12:57 <@Bahhumbug> heh 13:04 -!- rangerz [~mwalker@129.59.140.110] has joined #se2600 13:44 -!- rangerz1 [~mwalker@129.59.115.2] has joined #se2600 13:46 -!- rangerz [~mwalker@129.59.140.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:23 <@rattle> DNS reflection attacks are so 1997... 15:24 <@rattle> WE HAZ IDENTIF1ED NETWERKZ THAT SUPPORTZ IP DERECTED BROADCAST, AND WEZ GONNA USE DEM TO DESTROY THE INTERWEBS. 15:25 -!- sync350 [~sync@c-24-30-78-161.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:26 <@rattle> I HAZ LOADED UP 0DAY TEARDROP ATTACKZ DAT EYE WILL UNLEASH ON YOUR BASE. 15:28 <@rattle> MUY 31337 FORCES HAVE FRAG'D ICMP PACKET 65536 BITES, AIM IT AT YOU WE WILL. 15:28 * brimstone hoses down rattle 15:28 <@brimstone> come back form 97 bud 15:28 <@brimstone> *from 15:28 < phaile> XD 15:29 < MaxieZ> So, in all seriousness, would you be surprised to find that a server supporting the 13 root servers had a vulnerability discovered in 1997? 15:29 < MaxieZ> I wouldn't. 15:29 < phaile> back in the DONT UPDATE ANYTHING EVR days? 15:30 <@rattle> brimstone: I SEND YOU PACKET WITH SAME SOURCE AS DESTINATION, YOU FALL DOWN GO BOOM. 15:30 <@brimstone> according to this office, it's still those days 15:30 < MaxieZ> Or...yeah, but that isn't supposed to be on the internet. 15:30 <@rattle> MaxieZ: You know there aren't 13 root servers, right? 15:30 < MaxieZ> I said a server supporting them 15:30 < MaxieZ> Yes, I know there are more than 13. 15:31 < MaxieZ> Or...we didn't think anyone would ever do "that". 15:32 < MaxieZ> Granted, in order to sleep at night, I like to believe that the root servers are better maintained than, oh I don't know, Sony's network. 15:32 <@rattle> Each root anycasts to dozens of servers distributed geographically. There are several DNS implementations among the roots, even within individual roots. A single 0day is unlikely to impact even a single root in a way anyone other than it's operators would notice. 15:32 <@rattle> And even if someone was going to drop some serious multiple 0day attacks, it's still unlikely they could impact the roots enough to cause an internet level event people would actually be effected by. 15:33 < MaxieZ> Yeah. And I'm just saying that while you're kidding about old threats, I'm betting one of those boxen is vulnerable to something that old. 15:33 < MaxieZ> I'm not saying failday will actually succeed. 15:33 <@rattle> e.g. http://www.isc.org/community/f-root 15:34 < MaxieZ> I agree with all that. Just saying. Sadly, old tools can still work. 15:34 <@rattle> The roots may be the most distributed and hardware/software diverse single system maintained by man at this point... 15:36 <@rattle> Plus, it's not just the roots you'd have to effect. It's also the gold servers. 15:36 <@rattle> http://www.cymru.com/monitoring/dnssumm/index.html 15:36 < MaxieZ> We're talking about different things. 15:36 < MaxieZ> I know it would take an act of god to take down the root name servers 15:37 < MaxieZ> I'm just saying that old vulnerabilities are still out there. 15:37 < MaxieZ> So therefore old threats are still a risk. 15:37 < MaxieZ> Not to the root level name server system itself 15:38 < MaxieZ> But I wouldn't be shocked to find out a single server making up the root name servers had a vuln that old. 15:40 <@rattle> Well, if you dropped a nuke on Ashburn, VA and Palo Alto, CA.. A McVeigh style car bomb outside 1 Wilshirein LA, 375 Pearl and 33 Thomas in NYC.. That might have a significant effect on the US nets... 15:40 < MaxieZ> I'd call that nigh on an act of god. 15:40 < MaxieZ> ;) 15:41 <@rattle> After all, it is a well kept secret that the Internet is actually in Ashburn, VA. (shhh!) 15:49 <@rattle> I do think it would be hilarious if they managed to disrupt or manipulate the mechanism used by a few registrars to push updates out to the gtld infrastructure. That's the weakest point in the mix really. 15:51 <@rattle> The other second tier roots like the edu-servers, nstld, afilias-nst, are far more ripe targets than the roots themselves. 15:52 <@rattle> Or gov-servers.. 15:54 <@rattle> I doubt the folks pushing for these attacks even understand how this shit works. 15:55 <@rattle> I imagine stuff like "Hey, I'll point LOIC at A root, you point yours at B root," and so on.. 15:56 -!- rangerz1 [~mwalker@129.59.115.2] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:56 -!- rangerz [~mwalker@129.59.115.2] has joined #se2600 15:57 < MaxieZ> I've seen them fail to DDOS webservers. I agree that they're out of their league. 15:58 <@rattle> Trying to DDoS the roots is about as effective as staring at the sun to blot it out. 15:59 <@rattle> The worst case scenario is a disruption of the update mechanism.. The effects of that would be the inability to create new domains or update domain name servers. 16:01 -!- rangerz [~mwalker@129.59.115.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:25 -!- rangerz [~mwalker@c-98-211-44-193.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 16:31 -!- sync350 [~sync@adsl-74-190-96-210.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 16:45 -!- Catonic [~catonic@adsl-98-83-127-23.bhm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:21 < scribbles> outerz0ne is coming and no speakers on schedule? 17:33 <@brimstone> and you're suprised? 17:34 <@brimstone> surprised? 17:34 <@coil> lol. 17:44 < rangerz> (not troll-bating/trolling) but is that the for-profit con that skydog started? 17:48 <@brimstone> no, that's SkyDogCon 17:48 <@brimstone> outerz0ne's free to attend 17:51 < scribbles> a free con with no speakers. brilliant! 17:51 < ZombieChicken> will there be beer? 17:52 < scribbles> atl airport is a shitty location ;/ 17:52 < scribbles> all of the tech folks are either in the city or on the northside 17:53 < scribbles> IMHO! 17:55 < rangerz> if you want a cool con, go to notacon 17:55 < rangerz> or !acon if you are limited for space 17:56 < rangerz> lol 17:56 < rangerz> tyger should pay me for advertising... lol, but yeah... I enjoy that con a lot, wish i could make it up to cleveland this year :( 18:01 < rangerz> and you get an aurdino badge you can solder yourself, lol 18:08 < scribbles> cleveland. 18:08 < scribbles> ouch. 18:46 < rangerz> actually a flight round trip from cleveland to nashville is cheap 18:46 < rangerz> b/c southwest flies strait through, no transfers 18:48 <@Dickie> There was a SEVERE shortage of alcohol at notacon 18:49 <@Dickie> That's my only real complaint. 18:49 <@Dickie> Also Cleveland is a shithole, but that's not notacon's fault. 18:50 < rangerz> yes/no 18:51 < rangerz> cleveland is greatly improving 18:51 -!- Catonic [~catonic@adsl-98-83-127-139.bhm.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 18:51 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Catonic] by ChanServ 18:51 -!- stowbari [~Stowbari@cpe-24-165-215-6.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 18:52 < rangerz> surprisingly the state with the MOST amount of investment over the past two years is Ohio, 18:52 < rangerz> the natural gas fracking, has gone gang busters in ohio (which isn't good at all for the enviroment, but great for economy) 18:59 < stowbari> pay no attention to the earthquakes caused by a disposal well 19:10 < rangerz> IN my hometown... 19:10 < rangerz> yeah... i know all about it 19:10 < rangerz> but what is even funnier is big(and small) tech companies coming back to youngstown itself 19:11 < rangerz> silicoln valley companies coming back because the labor force is well trained and comparatively cheap, b/c 40$/year can(could before the last 5~6 years) to raise a family of 4 19:18 < stowbari> yeah, the cost of living isn't bad here in the Akron area 19:36 < rangerz> Akron Ohio? 19:36 < rangerz> why the hell you in se2600, lol 19:37 < rangerz> didn't we tell you to try and stay in the great part of the country? B/c America is great...except for the south, lol 19:39 <@Evilpig> rangerz: cause we are world wide 19:40 <@Evilpig> folks start in the se and move but stay here like rhia and dragon 20:04 < rangerz> so romney today made a joke about his father closed a factory in michigan..... 20:04 < rangerz> yeah... not the topic you want to use.... 20:10 <@Dagmar> Fucking idiots. 20:11 <@Dagmar> There was a fucking pidfile owned by root with a pid for a process that was long gone 20:20 < ware> pwnsauz 20:25 < rangerz> how... do you even do that... 20:25 <@Dagmar> It's DiamondIP. 20:25 <@Dagmar> It's "maintained" by low-bid contractors who hire illiterate motherfuckers out of India. 20:26 <@Dagmar> I noticed the pidfile because a shell script meant to fix the thing coughed up a hairball on it. 20:26 <@Dagmar> ...because someone was too fucking stupid to check the exit status of their shit. 20:26 <@Dagmar> This should be a flogging offence. 20:27 <@Bahhumbug> Yes. 20:27 <@Bahhumbug> Yes it should be. 20:30 < rangerz> but Evilpig was looking for a place where he could pay a hot chick in leather to do that to him... so i dunno... he might do it on purpose 20:31 <@Bahhumbug> Are you mercster in disguise? 20:40 -!- ladymerlin [ladymerlin@bbis.us] has joined #se2600 20:40 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o ladymerlin] by ChanServ 20:43 <@Evilpig> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310386897214+ 20:44 <@Bahhumbug> heh - that's pretty slick, actually. 20:44 <@Evilpig> definitely interesting 20:45 <@Evilpig> it doesn't say if it is dishwasher safe. hehe 20:54 <@Evilpig> this media player deal on newegg doesn't look bad. the reviews on amazon are mixed but some of the 1star ratings soudn like idiots that have no idea how to configure it 20:56 < rangerz> thats slick 20:56 <@Evilpig> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?nm_mc=AFC-TechBargains&cm_mmc=AFC-TechBargains-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA&Item=N82E16815645001 20:56 <@Evilpig> $65 and plays virtually every format out now, AND has a full size hd slot 21:00 < rangerz> but MKVs with h264 at 1080p? 21:00 < rangerz> says them seperately 21:00 < rangerz> but thats now the defacto standard for stuff 21:01 <@Evilpig> not the stuff I use. heh 21:02 <@Evilpig> I've been bitching about my media player for a while now. might be the time to update 21:05 <@Dagmar> Or... you know.... just buy an HTPC case from Antec, slap a dual-core CPU in it and an nVidia [89][56]00 in it, and just run shit on it 21:05 <@Evilpig> hard to beat the price 21:13 < rangerz> "- Supports popular P2P client such as BT, ___PT, and MLDonkey___" 21:13 < rangerz> what are those two protocols? 21:14 <@brimstone> mldonkey is an edonkey client isnt' it? 21:15 <@Evilpig> not sure i've heard of edonkey 21:15 <@am1n0> older p2p client 21:15 <@brimstone> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDonkey_network 21:15 <@Evilpig> I remember seeing it years ago with kazaa and the like 21:17 <@brimstone> dunno about ___PT 21:18 <@Evilpig> Corydon76-home: ping* 21:18 < rangerz> edonkey i've seen, and even used, but it is old, and it was virus ridden in 2003 let alone now 21:19 < rangerz> yeah PT was the one that stumped me 21:21 < rangerz> ahhh 21:21 < rangerz> looks to be a russian client 21:21 < rangerz> of some kinda 21:21 < rangerz> kind* 21:23 <@Evilpig> http://www.logitech.com/en-us/promotional-items/devices/7166?ci=0&WT.mc_id=amr_affiliate_cj_us 21:24 <@Evilpig> could you hook two of those up at once? 21:24 <@brimstone> sure, is it usb? 21:24 <@Evilpig> yeah 21:24 <@brimstone> hook up 255 21:24 <@Evilpig> curious if you could hook two up to a ps2 / ps3 21:26 <@Evilpig> notlarry was wanting to have drunken racing again but the setup we had for that was on loan from the consortium and well we all know about that 21:32 < rangerz> ahh... Pandaboard, was what my friend recommended for media player 21:32 < rangerz> it is a TI reference board, so TI loses money on each one sold, etc 21:39 <@Evilpig> alright there we go. two wheels for nashville 2600 21:42 < rangerz> a bicycle? 21:42 < rangerz> lol 21:43 <@Evilpig> racing wheels smartass 21:48 < rangerz> ... 21:48 < rangerz> for? 21:48 < rangerz> I'm being serious... what for... lol 21:48 <@Evilpig> drunken racing 21:49 <@Evilpig> it was popular a few years ago but the setup we had for it vanished 21:49 <@Dagmar> DUde those better be hot wheels 21:49 <@Evilpig> well someoen took their ball and went home with it 21:49 <@Dagmar> If you've got Green Machines I'm all over it 21:49 <@Evilpig> haha 21:49 <@Dagmar> Yeah now I'd research that physical location. 21:49 <@Dagmar> wrong hcan 21:50 <@Evilpig> green machine racing would be amusing 21:52 -!- CNwaV [~yaaic@68-189-190-128.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com] has joined #se2600 21:52 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o CNwaV] by ChanServ 21:52 <@Dagmar> I have long legs. I *loved* those things 21:53 <@Dagmar> I could pretty much spin the wheels from sheer force and spin circles in the driveway 21:53 <@Dagmar> ...and it would be really hard for a cop to carry that one into court. 21:53 <@Dagmar> Can you just imagine what the judge would say about a DUI for a plastic tricycle. 21:54 <@Evilpig> I'm just seeing the outcome of that being either injury or property damage, or both. haha 21:54 <@Dagmar> In a high two figure value 21:54 <@Dagmar> Bill: $20 for cleaning facemarks off side of car. 21:54 <@Evilpig> if we didn't have the cumberland room setup for talks we could setup a racetrack in there 21:56 <@Evilpig> I need to call the bbq guys next month and see if they will make us a better deal this year. 22:05 <@Corydon76-home> Evilpig: pong 22:06 <@Evilpig> I emailed you 22:06 <@Corydon76-home> I just got home 22:06 <@Evilpig> went ahead and got them. we'll discuss budget later. if it is there great, if not i'll keep em in my collection of gear 22:08 <@Corydon76-home> I think that's well within budget 22:08 <@Dagmar> Holy shit I'll kick in money if it's not 22:08 <@Dagmar> Two whole giant pigs? That was fucking awesome 22:08 <@Evilpig> gonna keep my eyes open for a ps3 or ps2 and a copy of burnout 22:09 <@Dagmar> Don't you mean wipeout? 22:09 <@Dagmar> I've got a PS3 and a PS2. 22:09 <@Evilpig> notlarry said burnout 22:09 <@Dagmar> ...and a PS1 22:09 <@Evilpig> racing game is all I know. heh. 22:09 <@Dagmar> The PS1's been in bubble wrap for a decade, but I'm pretty sure it still works 22:09 <@Evilpig> as for the pigs I am gonna try to get a sponsor for it 22:09 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: while I'm not going to eat it, I suggested a sheep to top last year's 22:10 <@Corydon76-home> Long pig was another suggestion 22:10 <@Dagmar> Well, clearly you can code. 22:10 <@Dagmar> wrong chan again. *sigh* 22:11 <@Corydon76-home> Evilpig: I went and took a course on fundraising 22:11 <@Corydon76-home> Need to work up a brochure and cover letter for the purpose, then start doing some cold calling 22:12 <@Evilpig> i'll help if I can 22:16 <@Corydon76-home> Main thing is trying to figure out the copy for how sponsoring PhreakNIC would benefit companies. 22:18 <@Evilpig> Primary is getting their name out to the local tech community which with out size isn't that great of a benefit. 22:18 <@Corydon76-home> I've talked up the point of reaching technically skilled youth and engaging them with constructive activities before they fall into taking down websites because they're bored. 22:18 <@Evilpig> It's a great tax write-off 22:18 <@Catonic> #se2600 ladymerlin H@ ladymerlin@bbis.us (Trevor Hearn) 22:18 <@Catonic> Interesting, that. 22:19 <@Evilpig> that is weird 22:19 <@ladymerlin> yeah 22:19 <@ladymerlin> i should change that 22:20 <@am1n0> heh 22:20 <@Corydon76-home> The funny thing about the fundraising course is that it's primarily intended to teach people how to run for public office 22:20 <@Catonic> politics is burning me out 22:21 <@Corydon76-home> Catonic: perhaps you should run for public office 22:21 <@Catonic> it's a side effect... 22:21 <@Corydon76-home> Catonic: among the group, you're likely one with the least skeletons in the closet 22:21 <@Catonic> Yeah, right.... 22:21 <@Evilpig> he has them in the yard 22:21 <@Corydon76-home> No? 22:21 <@Evilpig> with a good bit of lime 22:22 <@Catonic> Evilpig: stfu 22:22 <@Catonic> There's a lime plant 40 miles from here... you said you wouldn't tell. 22:22 <@Evilpig> I said yard. YOU said lime plant 22:22 <@Catonic> You said lime first. 22:23 <@Corydon76-home> I prefer grapefruit 22:23 <@Catonic> Corydon76-home: I don't have the attention span for politics. 22:23 <@Corydon76-home> Catonic: neither do most of the politicians out there 22:23 <@Dagmar> So, now that I have this great white whale properly speared, teh _fun_ work begins. 22:24 <@Evilpig> looks like i'll be making a quick trip to KY next week. my aunt and uncle will be in from TX 22:24 <@Catonic> speaking of white whales... I saw a spearfishing accident.... 22:24 <@Dagmar> Tomorrow, I get to run it in don't-do-a-fucking-thing mode on a few live servers and see just how many frelled things there are 22:24 <@Catonic> right through the cheek, almost pinned 'em together. 22:24 <@Dagmar> *shudder* 22:25 <@Corydon76-home> Face cheeks or ass cheeks? 22:25 <@Dagmar> One of the more fun things that was making me sit there and beat on a function that _was_ actually working fine was hilarious 22:25 <@Catonic> ass. 22:25 <@Dagmar> I forgot that find rounds minutes 22:26 <@Dagmar> So I spam-create about a dozen directories, and start testing functions, never noticing that half of the time, directories aren't showing up for input 22:26 <@Catonic> same project as yesterday? 22:26 <@Dagmar> I'm pulling my hair going "WHERE IS THE FUCKING DATA STRUCTURE CLOBBERING SHIT!" 22:26 <@Dagmar> Yes. It works now. 22:26 <@Dagmar> It is pedantic in the extreme. 22:26 <@Corydon76-home> Different directory? 22:27 <@Catonic> I'm going to have to be more pedantic. I get tired of editing files when something f's up. 22:27 <@Dagmar> No the part was supposed to suck in a list of directories, and then load them into a proper data structure so I could do inheritance on the replication policies 22:27 <@Catonic> is there any language that has a concept of two dimensions? 22:27 <@Dagmar> Basic. 22:27 <@Corydon76-home> One of my customers who knows FreeBSD tried deploying openvpn on Linux. His keyfile directive was pointing to the wrong etc. 22:27 <@Dagmar> Oh no wait, only _some_ versions of it. 22:27 <@Catonic> The more I think about this, the more I think I'm going to write it in perl and store the data in SQL. 22:27 <@mog> Catonic, all of them? 22:28 <@Catonic> perl = everything is a run-on-sentance. 22:28 <@Dagmar> I use Data::Duper a _lot_. 22:28 <@Dagmar> er Data::Dumper. 22:28 <@Corydon76-home> Catonic: any of them that support multi-dimensional arrays 22:28 <@Catonic> I think you can go two-d with C. 22:28 <@Corydon76-home> Which I think is most of them 22:28 <@Dagmar> Yesterday I actually had one terminal spread across both monitors 22:28 <@Corydon76-home> You can go 4-D in C, if you really wanted to 22:28 <@mog> Catonic, you can do multi dimensional data with any turing complete language 22:28 <@Dagmar> You can go nine-d if you like 22:28 <@Dagmar> It doesn't care. 22:29 -!- sync350 [~sync@adsl-74-190-96-210.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:29 <@Corydon76-home> Can get confusing, though 22:29 <@Dagmar> Arrays of arrays of arrays 22:30 <@Corydon76-home> mog: not completely true. There are some languages that only support a single dimension of arrays 22:30 <@Catonic> I'm trying to build associations of objects 22:30 <@Dagmar> Any language which can pass things by reference can handle n-dimensional arras 22:30 <@Dagmar> Well, that's easy in perl. 22:30 <@mog> Corydon76-home, if you cant do a multi dimensional array its not turing complete 22:30 <@Dagmar> Well, until you try to use Data::Dumper to actually loook at it 22:30 <@Dagmar> heh 22:31 <@Dagmar> ...then you need a 400x80 terminal window 22:31 <@Corydon76-home> Mog: all that's required is for it to be able to compile itself, correct? 22:31 <@mog> Corydon76-home, no 22:31 <@mog> a turing complete needs to be able to compile anything 22:31 <@Catonic> I guess the issue is that I'm trying to find a way to be meta about it but the objects can exist independent of each other 22:31 <@Catonic> in heirarchies. 22:31 <@mog> the simplest being a 2 state 3 flag device with infinite tape 22:31 <@Dagmar> HoHoAoHoA 22:31 <@Corydon76-home> mog: you need to be more specific. Ada is Turing-complete, but it cannot compile anything 22:32 <@Dagmar> ...with triple linked lists thrown in for flavor. 22:32 <@Catonic> Least of all in erlangs per fortnight. 22:32 <@mog> ada compiles just not to actual assembly 22:32 <@mog> all languages take in text to convert to something run by a machine 22:32 <@mog> steps in the middle don't really matter 22:32 <@Corydon76-home> mog: I'm not sure how you'd do a multi-D array with that simplest Turing machine 22:32 <@mog> Corydon76-home, simple implement c on said turning machine 22:33 <@Dagmar> It's required to be able to produce valid results and not go berzerk. 22:33 * Catonic calls timeout 22:33 <@Catonic> I'm going to figure my problem out tomorro-saturday. 22:33 <@Catonic> You may resume language bashing 22:34 <@Corydon76-home> Mog: on said language without multi-dimensional arrays, I emulated it by using the eval function. The code was... painful... 22:35 <@Dagmar> EXCITING 22:35 <@mog> you didnt emulate, you implemented, and i never said everything was easy in every language 22:35 <@Dagmar> Sounds like me and my bash hashes 22:35 <@mog> just that it was doable 22:35 <@mog> i could write an os in cobol 22:35 <@mog> i just wont 22:35 <@Dagmar> Bash 5 is just going to support hashing. 22:35 <@Dagmar> Heh 22:35 <@Evilpig> you sick fuck 22:35 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, well, I would not say that the language had mult-dimensional arrays, even if you can emulate/implement it yourself. 22:35 <@Corydon76-home> At best, it's a hack 22:35 * Evilpig marches and chants mog, mog, mog, mog, into the ground 22:36 <@mog> i would as if you don't, you don't understand what a language is 22:36 <@Corydon76-home> An ugly, headache-inducing, terrible hack 22:36 <@mog> that's like saying you can't write a novel in german 22:36 <@mog> hmm or better yet pig latin 22:36 <@Evilpig> you can't write in german. only direct very disturbing porn in it spoken 22:36 <@mog> Evilpig, links or it didn't happen 22:37 <@Dagmar> You picked the worng guy to say that to 22:37 <@Evilpig> at work 22:37 <@Corydon76-home> mog: you're talking about writing another language in a given language. Yes, it's doable. It still doesn't mean that the underlying language has those features 22:37 <@mog> lulz 22:37 <@mog> Corydon76-home, all languages are written in other languages 22:37 <@Corydon76-home> I can write a garbage-collecting language in C. That doesn't mean C has garbage collection 22:38 <@Corydon76-home> mog: not true. The original compiler was written in assembly. 22:38 <@mog> Corydon76-home, it is true 22:38 <@mog> there is no system built on pure math 22:38 <@mog> everything is an abstraction 22:38 <@mog> understanding this makes understaind everything a lot easier 22:38 <@Corydon76-home> and calling assembly a language is like calling a bag of flour a meal 22:39 <@mog> Corydon76-home, you clearly havent written anything in straight binary 22:39 <@Corydon76-home> Reductio ad absurdum 22:39 <@Corydon76-home> mog: I've written things in hexadecimal, which is effectively the same 22:40 <@Corydon76-home> I _really_ don't care to do that again 22:40 <@mog> Corydon76-home, if you think that writing in hexadecimal is the same as writing in assembly your mad 22:40 <@Corydon76-home> aka hand-assembly 22:40 <@mog> and you are skipping the whole hardware 22:40 <@mog> assembly is just a language on top of electronic design 22:41 <@Corydon76-home> I had to calculate all the relative offsets by hand, which really sucked if I miscalculated the length of an instruction. 22:41 <@Corydon76-home> It meant that while entering a program into the computer, I'd have to go back to paper and redo a bunch of addresses 22:42 <@mog> no fun 22:42 <@Corydon76-home> I wasn't even using labels. When I branched, I used arrows drawn on paper to the next instruction 22:42 <@Corydon76-home> Which was additionally painful when the arrows moved across sheets 22:43 <@Corydon76-home> I still have some of those hand-assembled programs somewhere, on increasingly yellowing paper 22:43 <@Corydon76-home> This was in high school, before I could afford a real assembler 22:45 <@Corydon76-home> I think it was PhreakNIC 6, where I displayed the entire schedule on an Apple ][e, and the entire program was written in assembly. I made a crude instruction table consisting of 4-byte instructions 22:45 <@Dagmar> OMG so handy 22:45 <@Dagmar> http://kidbleach.com/ 22:46 <@Corydon76-home> and then output 255-character-max strings. Length-encoded. 22:46 <@Dagmar> Someone in #wowuidev earlier today posted a link that i was pretty sure was NSFW... said it came up while he was searching for "female pandaren" 22:46 <@Dagmar> The line wrapped, so I didn't at first see the OmGwtfSooNotSFW at the end 22:47 <@Dagmar> I was like "Somehow I don't think that's worksafe", and he was like "I said that" and I was "Oh. Sorry, I stopped reading at http://www.hentai... 22:47 <@Corydon76-home> http://fuckyeahnouns.com/twinkboy nsfw 22:47 <@Dagmar> So I just tried to replicate his google search 22:47 <@Dagmar> NEVER AGAIN 22:47 <@Dagmar> never. 22:48 <@Dagmar> People are just ruining the internet. 22:48 <@Dagmar> I did not need to know. 22:50 -!- stowbari [~Stowbari@cpe-24-165-215-6.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:07 <@rhia> welcome, Dagmar 23:07 <@rhia> i've long ago not followed any links given online before investigation 23:08 <@rhia> much to ware's disappointment 23:10 <@Evilpig> I bet if someone were to pester maxiez a bit he could train the bot to at least give a page title for links posted in here 23:10 -!- sync350 [~sync@c-24-30-78-161.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 23:23 -!- GateKeeper [~gatekeepr@unaffiliated/gerdesas/bot/jrd-bots] has joined #se2600 23:23 <@Bahhumbug> http://google.com 23:23 < GateKeeper> Title: Google (at google.com) 23:23 <@Bahhumbug> have at it 23:23 <@brimstone> neat, we get one of those now 23:24 <@brimstone> http://192.168.1.1/ 23:24 <@Bahhumbug> heh 23:24 <@brimstone> http://192.168.1.24/ 23:24 <@brimstone> http://192.168.1.254/ 23:24 <@brimstone> http://192.168.2.1/ 23:24 <@brimstone> http://192.168.2.254/ 23:24 < rangerz> google.com 23:24 < rangerz> www.google.com 23:25 < rangerz> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRBDMMVctu8 23:25 < GateKeeper> Title: A Browns Fans Reaction To Todays Game Against Houston - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 23:25 < rangerz> nice 23:25 <@Bahhumbug> standard supy with most modules activated except those that generally annoy me along with the @weather module added and the DoS hack killed. 23:26 < rangerz> @weather 44444 23:26 < GateKeeper> rangerz: Weather for Newton Falls, OH | Temperature: 49°F / 9°C; Humidity: 66%; Pressure: 29.87in / 101.2kPa; Conditions: Overcast; Wind: Nnw, 16mph / 26kph; Updated: 35 mins, 5 secs ago | Forecast for Thursday: Partly cloudy; High of 46°F / 8°C; Low of 25°F / -4°C | Forecast for Friday: Chance of a thunderstorm; High of 57°F / 14°C; Low of 39°F / 4°C 23:26 < rangerz> nice, some bots actually messed up newton falls b/c they wouldn't take 5 of the same digit 23:26 < rangerz> lol 23:26 <@Bahhumbug> (and of course it will go away if any one finds it obnoxious and wants it gone) 23:27 <@brimstone> if MinecraftRelay has stayed around this long... 23:27 < rangerz> nice, it works in PM for weather 23:28 <@Bahhumbug> I've got that bot (and others) in noisy public channels so I've tuned out most of the noise it can emit; it will private or notice over spewing nonsense in the channel. 23:29 <@Bahhumbug> the @ google trigger works as well for quick in-channel searches. We've found that quite handy at times. 23:29 <@brimstone> @pickles 23:29 <@brimstone> @google pickles 23:29 < GateKeeper> brimstone: Pickles Comic Strip on GoComics.com: ; Pickle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; How to make pickles - made easy, and illustrated!: ; McClure's Pickles: ; ILovePickles.org | Serving the pickled vegetable industry for over (1 more message) 23:29 <@brimstone> huh 23:31 <@Bahhumbug> built-in paging system, crank out a '@more' to continue the listing(s). 23:31 <@Evilpig> brimstone: hugme hates the minecraftrelay 23:35 <@Dagmar> Wow. There's just a senseless number of memes in BrowserQuest 23:44 -!- rangerz [~mwalker@c-98-211-44-193.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] --- Log closed Thu Mar 29 00:00:11 2012