--- Log opened Thu Feb 23 00:00:00 2012 01:27 -!- CNwaV2 [~yaaic@68-189-190-128.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:35 -!- dasunt [~dasunt@unaffiliated/dasunt] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:06 -!- CNwaV [~yaaic@68-189-190-128.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com] has joined #se2600 02:06 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o CNwaV] by ChanServ 02:12 <@CNwaV> Yay, I now have three touchscreen remotes for my tv 04:21 < Vyrus001> yay zigbee pwnage 05:01 <@Evilpig> CNwaV: the idea with one touchscreen remote is to eliminate the rest. are you losing remotes that quickly? 05:35 -!- phaile [~phaile@gateway/tor-sasl/jb7od] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:35 -!- phaile [~phaile@gateway/tor-sasl/jb7od] has joined #se2600 05:35 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o phaile] by ChanServ 05:53 -!- phaile [~phaile@gateway/tor-sasl/jb7od] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:08 -!- phaile [~phaile@gateway/tor-sasl/jb7od] has joined #se2600 06:08 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o phaile] by ChanServ 07:04 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: http://i.imgur.com/xSRLn.png 07:06 <@Dagmar> http://pic.twitter.com/GWPCkZLU 07:09 -!- stowbari [~Stowbari@adsl-69-208-4-181.dsl.akrnoh.ameritech.net] has joined #se2600 07:19 -!- sync350 [~sync@c-69-180-10-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 08:30 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@pdpc/supporter/silver/CRasH180] has joined #se2600 08:30 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o CRasH180] by ChanServ 08:47 -!- sync350 [~sync@c-24-30-78-161.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 08:55 -!- detro_ [detro@72.233.45.204] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:15 <@CNwaV> Evilpig I am using android devices as remotes now 10:16 <@mog> CNwaV, how is that? 10:18 <@CNwaV> Roku! 10:23 <@mog> ah 10:30 -!- timoguin_ [~toguin@173-162-19-241-Nashville.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:39 <@Dagmar> Wheee 10:40 <@Dagmar> The craigslist kiddies are good and mad at me by now I'm sure 10:40 <@CNwaV> What did you do? 10:40 <@Dagmar> Maybe they shoudldn't suggest fuckign setting suid bits on shit 10:41 <@Dagmar> Seriously, some dude is trying to get Firefox to reload a page every five minutes, tries to use a cron task with xdotool (tool for sending fake keypress/mouse events) and fails 10:41 <@Dagmar> Someone else suggests setting xdotool suid. 10:41 <@Dagmar> Another person suggests that's bad, tells the guy to `sudo su -` and edit root's crontab. 10:41 <@Bahhumbug> People are stupid. 10:42 <@phaile> xdotool? is that like winbatch for linux? 10:42 <@Dagmar> Both people who are apparently just shy of being "competent" admins. 10:42 <@Bahhumbug> Leave them alone. 10:42 <@Bahhumbug> They will eventually hurt themselves. 10:42 <@Dagmar> If you say `sudo su -` in front of me I turn into Godzilla. 10:42 <@Bahhumbug> sudo su - /bin/bash 10:42 <@phaile> LOL!! 10:42 <@Dagmar> Fuuuuuuck you 10:42 <@Bahhumbug> :) 10:42 <@CNwaV> He does realize that there are some awesome extensions to reload pages and trigger alarms if any of the content in a specific area of the page changes? 10:43 <@Dagmar> I told one of the dudes "sticking magic words together at random makes you a hedge wizard, not a sysadmin. There's a reason hedge wizards are dirty, flea-bitten, and poor." 10:43 <@Bahhumbug> hahaha 10:44 <@Dagmar> CNwaV: I corrected the suid insanity, and then pointed out there was a fucking Reload Every addon. 10:44 <@Dagmar> One of the guys has to think I'm satan because so far not a day has gone by when he wasn't saying something incredibly stupid. 10:44 <@Dagmar> Up to and including acting like 32Tb filesystems was something ext3 should have been designed to handle. 10:45 <@Dagmar> In 1993, when ext3 was put together, that would have been fifty fucking thousand hard drives. 10:46 <@Dagmar> No one in their right mind would have made that _one_ filesystem. 10:46 <@phaile> i agree 10:46 <@phaile> that's asking for it. 10:46 <@Dagmar> You'd have been running fsck more or less forever 10:47 <@Dagmar> That many drives, one would fail. 10:47 <@CNwaV> Haha, 32gb is the upper limit with a block size of 8k 10:47 <@phaile> lord forbid it fail. 10:47 <@Dagmar> You'd umount, replace it, another would fail. LOL 10:48 -!- timoguin [~toguin@173-162-19-241-Nashville.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #se2600 10:48 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o timoguin] by ChanServ 10:48 <@Corydon76-work> ext3 was put together in 1993? 10:48 <@Dagmar> My theme for coming down on him that time was "you are supposed to actually know the differences between the filesystems so you know which one is appropriate to use--not just demand that one of them be able to do every little crazy thing you ask of it." 10:48 <@Dagmar> ext2, ext3, whatever 10:48 <@Dagmar> :( 10:48 <@Corydon76-work> I think you might mean ext2 10:48 <@Dagmar> er :) 10:49 <@Dagmar> Either way the thing caps at 32Tb, which is pretty damn reasonable 10:49 <@Dagmar> Dude wanted to go on about it being designed to run on "feeble" hardware 10:49 <@Corydon76-work> Yep 10:49 <@Dagmar> His favorite filesystem is apparently NTFS and challenged people to show one reason any other filesystem is better. 10:49 <@Dagmar> His suffering was delicious. 10:50 <@Corydon76-work> lol, yikes 10:50 <@Dagmar> I was all up in his face with "WHAT ABOUT THIS EXCITING ACL INCOMPATIBILITY THING IT DOES!" 10:50 <@Dagmar> I'm still harboring a grude about Win7 ass-raping my XP filesystem repeatedly. 10:50 <@Dagmar> s/grude/grudge/ 10:51 <@Dagmar> At least ex2/3/4 can tell when it's being mounted by the wrong version...and doesn't destroy your shit. 10:51 <@phaile> just get him to open defrag and say "that. that is what is wrong" 10:51 <@Dagmar> nah, NTFS is finally fragmentation-resistant 10:51 <@phaile> as of? 10:52 <@Dagmar> As of WinXP's use of it as far as I know 10:52 <@Corydon76-work> I suspect you mean Windows 7 10:52 <@Corydon76-work> XP is 10 years old now 10:52 <@Dagmar> I've no idea how _effective_ it's measures are, but I'll at least consider it reasonable that they've figured out how to do it after everyone else under the sun has. 10:52 <@phaile> so there's no defragging on win7? 10:53 <@Dagmar> There is. 10:53 <@Corydon76-work> There's no defragging of NTFS while it's the boot volume 10:53 <@Dagmar> You just shouldn't need to more than once a yar 10:53 <@phaile> i'm gonna go get into server 08 and look and see what we're looking like. 10:53 <@phaile> it's been up like 6 months. 10:53 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-work: I'm pretty sure that's not true 10:53 <@phaile> with contig. 10:53 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: really? It was the case for the longest time 10:53 <@Dagmar> Win7 runs defrag on C: just fine 10:53 <@Dagmar> ...well, as well as it ever does. 10:54 <@Bahhumbug> NTFS is actually a pretty damned robust filesystem. 10:54 <@Dagmar> I use contig because of WoW and those Steam games that defrag won't touch 10:54 <@phaile> you can break a file into 1000 pieces though. 10:54 <@Dagmar> Defrag.exe never outright refused to do it's job tho 10:55 <@phaile> contig is killer anyway. you're not wasting anything on that dumbass redreaw of your algorithm based good-enough fragmentation 10:55 <@phaile> no it doesn't 10:55 <@Dagmar> It would just quietly ignore everything over about a gigglebyte in size 10:55 <@Corydon76-work> Bahhumbug: All filesystems are robust by design. It's the implementation details that screw up filesystems 10:55 <@phaile> it terminates after a bit, 12x is 12x better than once. 10:55 <@phaile> if contig did pagefile too, it'd be perfect. 10:57 <@Bahhumbug> True. But I've yet to have an NTFS filesystem eat any significant portion of data on it. The same isn't true of ext[23], unfortunately. 10:57 <@Corydon76-work> I've seen it on ext2, but not ext3 10:57 <@phaile> you have a point. 10:57 <@Bahhumbug> Now, granted, I was able to piece things back together from lost+found, but still, a serious pain. 10:58 <@Corydon76-work> Bahhumbug: I've seen NTFS volumes go corrupt and be completely unrecoverable 10:58 <@Bahhumbug> I've not had that pleasure. 10:58 <@Corydon76-work> Bahhumbug: granted, it was 10 years ago. But still. 10:58 <@phaile> the worst ever with ntfs is if that damn compression gets cut on- i had to rebuild one that i had to ghost into a VM to save because i haaaaaad to have that damn filetable since the compressed files wouldn't come back without it. 10:59 <@Corydon76-work> I don't know that the design of NTFS has changed at all in that period, just the implementation 11:00 <@phaile> tip for my legacy patnas: IE9 no worky with 2003 OWA (peace out, tables) 11:01 <@Evilpig> that's funny 11:01 <@phaile> contig now running -s -v on server 2008. will report. 11:01 <@Evilpig> not even in compatibility mode? 11:01 <@phaile> negatory. 11:02 <@Evilpig> gg microsoft. can't even make something work with IE when they wrote it 11:02 <@phaile> the tables on the right don't populate. 11:02 <@phaile> oh i'm sure they want to kill 03 everything. 11:02 <@phaile> they must. it's oldware. 11:02 <@Evilpig> they must. there are new licenses to sell 11:07 <@phaile> Dagmar is right. I expected more frags at this point. NTFS on newer OS's is not AS shitty as in the past. 11:07 <@Evilpig> They've done a better job with hd management for sure 11:08 <@phaile> maybe one file in 30, no more than two frags, i'll post the output just for academia's sake. 11:08 <@phaile> it's good that they've moved that forward some since windows 98 sunset. 11:08 <@phaile> lol 11:13 <@Evilpig> are you sure you want to post a screenshot of windows in here? I mean look at the crowd. they're likely to eat you... 11:13 * Evilpig salt and peppers phaile 11:16 <@phaile> contig runs on cmd, it didn't occur to me to prntscr and post it. 11:16 <@Evilpig> too late you already said windows. 11:18 <@phaile> i support all platforms. ;D 11:19 <@Evilpig> anyone familiar with drobo? 11:20 <@phaile> nas box? 11:20 <@Evilpig> yeah. this one is attached via usb though 11:20 <@phaile> i think this nas over here has a usb, 1 mom. 11:21 <@Evilpig> basically my question is. how does it operate? there is one at teh con hotel that has a bad drive. it had 2x 1tb drives in it to start with 11:21 <@Evilpig> with one drive out the drobo is "full" at about 512gb 11:21 <@phaile> we're they raided? 11:22 <@phaile> ahem were 11:22 <@Evilpig> http://www.drobo.com/products/capacity-calculator/index.php 11:22 <@Evilpig> not sure. the "manager" from the other property was giving me shit about logging into the console to get the details 11:22 <@Evilpig> I was operating on the rule of replace the dead drive with equal or larger of the same spindle speed 11:22 <@Evilpig> he is insisting that it be an exact replacement 11:24 <@Bahhumbug> since he apparently has the situation well in hand let him do it. 11:24 <@Evilpig> Fuck him. the owner called me in. heh 11:24 <@Bahhumbug> heh 11:24 <@phaile> i'd want to check and see what it is. sans all recovery, if it's raided, i'd be more likely to say that identical drives would probably be best-case, but if it's just logicals, he should chill. 11:25 <@Bahhumbug> the robo might indeed require an exact replacement. some of the original storage boxes on the market did. 11:25 <@Evilpig> pretty sure it's raid 1. the way this calculator is working. when I add a larger drive it just bumps up to the size of the smallest drive 11:25 <@Bahhumbug> err, drobo 11:26 <@Evilpig> oh on that link it is the drobo 4-bay. 11:26 <@Evilpig> put a 1TB in the second bay down and the top one is dead, currently 11:26 <@Evilpig> under warranty though so the new one is on its way. 11:26 <@phaile> "If a drive happens to fail, you do not lose access to data, which means that you can keep on working. Just swap out the failed hard drive and replace it with a new SATA drive of any size. " 11:26 <@phaile> http://www.drobo.com/products/professionals/drobo/index.php 11:27 <@Evilpig> right. that's what I thought. just wanted someone that has actually used one to confirm 11:27 <@Evilpig> I know someone who has. but fuck all asking him 11:27 <@phaile> "and USB 2.0 11:27 <@phaile> USB 2.0 11:27 <@phaile> FireWire 11:27 <@phaile> Drives: 11:27 <@phaile> Accommodates from one to four 3.5" SATA I / II / III hard drives of any manufacturer, capacity, spindle speed, and/or cache. No carriers or tools required. Click here for drive recommendations" 11:27 <@phaile> same page. 11:28 <@phaile> maybe that doesn't count for super old ones or something... i'd still double check. 11:28 <@Evilpig> i'll take whatever wd sends and get it out there. fuck this manager douche. 11:29 <@Bahhumbug> Someone in nlug had one and was discussing it on the mailing list if I remember right. They were happy with it from what I recall. 11:29 <@Evilpig> I asked for the password to the server to check the error log just to see what I was dealing with and was told "that's wha the support guys are for. just replace the drive and leave." 11:29 <@phaile> is it under warranty? 11:29 <@Evilpig> dunno about the drobo. the drive is. 11:30 <@Evilpig> 23 February 2012 11:30 <@Evilpig> Western Digital Return Material Authorization 11:30 <@Evilpig> i'm all good. just want to know when it will be here 11:30 <@phaile> i'd say rock with whatever they send and go all customer sat on their ass if it doesn't get it done. 11:31 <@Evilpig> gonna put on my nicest faux front for this douchebag control freak. the owner is more than pleased with me so I don't give two shits about him 11:31 <@Bahhumbug> the "manager" seems to be a cockbag. 11:32 <@Evilpig> he's the typical. I have a little computer knowledge so that makes me the company expert guy 11:32 <@phaile> well you've got the leg to stand on of wd warranty- 11:32 <@Evilpig> doesn't want anyone getting up in shit and pointing out he's a moron 11:32 <@phaile> "this is what we get, sir" 11:32 <@phaile> lol 11:32 <@Bahhumbug> As if pointing out the obvious is necessary? :) 11:33 <@phaile> there are dickweeds among the daywalkers, this is true. 11:33 <@Evilpig> in this case pointing out the obvious to us, isn't that to everone 11:34 <@Evilpig> case in point "yeah uh.... that router there has the default passwords on it and I got into it in less than 30 sec" 11:34 <@Evilpig> I would expect one of you to shit yourself 11:34 <@Evilpig> they looked at me like I was speaking ancient greek 11:35 <@Bahhumbug> sure hope CC info isn't going across it. 11:35 <@Evilpig> no 11:35 <@Bahhumbug> public segment? 11:35 <@Evilpig> the only saving grace to that was it is the public network 11:35 <@phaile> i hate that. the "jury of noobs" 11:35 <@Evilpig> which in ways is far far worse 11:35 <@Bahhumbug> yep. 11:36 <@Bahhumbug> you can tell them what the old guy in 503 is streaming to his laptop over their network. 11:36 <@Evilpig> just goes to further show, no matter where you are. don't trust the network that isn't yours 11:36 <@phaile> you should help the old guy in 503 streaming to his lappy. 11:36 <@phaile> lol 11:41 <@Evilpig> bedtime now. night ladies. 11:56 <@CNwaV> Night sweetie --- Log closed Thu Feb 23 12:33:44 2012 --- Log opened Thu Feb 23 15:09:01 2012 15:09 <@timoguin> i did not. 15:31 < eryc> i wrote an inventory software 15:31 < eryc> i am replacing it with puppet 15:33 <@Dagmar> Hmm... 15:33 <@Dagmar> Clearly every IP address needs it's own VARCHAR2(512) 15:33 <@Dagmar> It could be IP28 you know 15:35 <@timoguin> lo. 15:35 <@timoguin> l 15:46 <@Dagmar> This thing is seriously jacked, but I'm making some progress at least 16:30 -!- stowbari [~Stowbari@adsl-69-208-4-181.dsl.akrnoh.ameritech.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:45 -!- sync350 [~sync@c-24-30-78-161.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:44 < eryc> oh yea now i remember 17:44 < eryc> puppet only works on servers, so i was gonna write a new inventory based on json documents in couch or mongo 17:45 < eryc> then i can write crazy mapreduce jobs to grep out the subcomponents rather than the crazy object inheritance ORM shit i have now 17:46 < eryc> which is cool, but kind of a bitch to maintain when grails decides to change shit in new versions 17:46 < eryc> write now the only client use case i have is dumping all the hostnames so i can shit them into an ssh for loop 17:47 < eryc> right too 17:48 -!- RangerZ [~mwalker@c-98-211-44-193.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 18:11 -!- CNwaV [~yaaic@117.sub-174-252-157.myvzw.com] has joined #se2600 18:12 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o CNwaV] by ChanServ 19:58 -!- CNwaV [~yaaic@117.sub-174-252-157.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org] 20:02 -!- sync350 [~sync@c-24-30-78-161.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 20:33 -!- sync350 [~sync@c-24-30-78-161.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:43 -!- rhia [~rhia@50-47-19-104.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net] has joined #se2600 20:43 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o rhia] by ChanServ 20:46 -!- stowbari [~Stowbari@adsl-69-208-4-181.dsl.akrnoh.ameritech.net] has joined #se2600 20:48 -!- RangerZ1 [~mwalker@c-98-211-44-193.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 20:49 -!- RangerZ [~mwalker@c-98-211-44-193.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:16 -!- sync350 [~sync@c-76-105-110-205.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 21:28 -!- stowbari [~Stowbari@adsl-69-208-4-181.dsl.akrnoh.ameritech.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:35 -!- daswork [~dasunt@174-20-58-94.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #se2600 22:39 < daswork> 22:39 -!- daswork [~dasunt@174-20-58-94.mpls.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:40 -!- daswork [~dasunt@174-20-58-94.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #se2600 22:44 -!- RangerZ1 [~mwalker@c-98-211-44-193.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:51 -!- sync350 [~sync@c-76-105-110-205.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:34 -!- daswork [~dasunt@174-20-58-94.mpls.qwest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] --- Log closed Fri Feb 24 00:00:00 2012