--- Log opened Thu Feb 09 00:00:00 2012 00:21 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-98-211-44-193.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:08 -!- the_hugme [~jallman@service.vendormate.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:13 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: http://twitter.com/#!/jeb_/status/167274722072084480 01:18 <@Catonic> oh my freaking head. 01:19 * Catonic mass-pokes the channel. 01:19 <@Evilpig> watch that finger 01:19 <@Evilpig> what did you do to your head? 01:19 <@Catonic> bad, bad things. 01:21 <@Catonic> i think i may have consented to things I shouldn't have done. 01:22 <@Bahhumbug> It's the "i think" part of that statement that should worry you the most. 01:22 <@Catonic> implied consent == i drank it, therefore I consented. 01:23 <@Catonic> *does not apply to roofies or anal sex/rape/etc. 01:24 <@Catonic> so, geeknic, eh? 01:24 <@Catonic> no OZ in a few weeks? 01:25 <@Evilpig> I thought he was announcing the date for oz soon? that stop cause of skydickcon? 01:26 <@Catonic> I'm a creature of habit. I assumed March meant ATL. 01:26 <@Catonic> I'm closer to ATL than BNA anyway these days. 01:28 <@Evilpig> geeknic was scheduled around the astrological society there in gatlinburg. can't speak for anything else 01:33 <@Catonic> I don't think division bodes well. 01:34 <@Catonic> I'm practically a fringer myself these days. 01:34 <@Catonic> OTOH, I have no local "scene" and ham radio fills most of my hacking time. 01:36 <@Evilpig> I am paying no attn to what he is doing. except for making sure that skydickcon.com stays active and unblocked 01:37 <@Bahhumbug> You two should really just lace on a couple sets of gloves, climb into a ring, and have at it. 01:39 <@Catonic> nah, it's not that 01:39 <@Catonic> the pool's been pissed in, but it didn't need to be pissed in the way it was 01:40 <@Catonic> there's space for a professional security conference and a hacker con... defcon and blackhat have worked together for years 01:40 <@Evilpig> heh. if i'm putting gloves on to settle things with him. there'll be brass underneath them 01:40 <@Evilpig> but that isn't the case here 01:40 <@Evilpig> we've discussed that 01:40 <@Catonic> the appropriate way to handle it would be to allow that overlap and maximize the returns by not making attendees and speakers choose. 01:43 <@Bahhumbug> ball-bat at 0dark30 would work as well. 01:43 <@Catonic> I don't really see "hacker" as a growth segment since anonymous went and put script kiddie tools in the hands of thousands. 01:44 <@Evilpig> the appropriate thing if he wanted a professional deal in the same timeframe / space would be to do defcon/black hat where blackhat is during the week before defcon. then defcon on the weekend 01:44 <@Catonic> OTOH, I haven't spotted a growth segment in a few years. 01:44 <@Evilpig> but he doesn't want a professional setup, he wants the money from one and the same shit that we've been doing for years. 01:44 <@Evilpig> note the increase in price already this year over last for him 01:44 <@Catonic> except of course, my own *rolls eyes* *rimshot* 01:45 <@Catonic> hubris =/ 01:45 -!- Corydon76-home [seven@c-69-137-80-31.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 01:45 <@Evilpig> you know full well pn isn't about the money to anyof us. fuck.. just look at how much money I put into it this year. 01:46 <@Bahhumbug> You should get Vandy to back it. 01:46 <@Evilpig> I didn't spend all weekend running around saying "well I put x amount of my own money into this for blah blah blah" either 01:46 -!- Corydon76-home [eleven@c-69-137-80-31.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 01:46 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Corydon76-home] by ChanServ 01:47 <@Catonic> Bahhumbug: and they don't? For years Dolemite had problems because PN would cause his entire staff to file for vacation on the same weekend... 01:47 <@Evilpig> that being said the folks in here know what money was spent where, I think. not that it matters. and on that note i'm getting a shower and going to get dinner 01:48 <@Catonic> I feel dirty too. 01:48 <@Evilpig> what was her name? 01:48 <@Catonic> ... 01:48 <@Catonic> I didn't get one. 01:48 <@Evilpig> you might wanna get a shot of anti-biotics too 01:48 <@Catonic> Heh. Life's been good to me. 02:04 * Catonic passes out 03:41 -!- daswork [~dasunt@75-168-168-128.mpls.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:43 -!- daswork [~dasunt@174-20-94-247.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #se2600 05:13 -!- the_hugme [~jallman@service.vendormate.net] has joined #se2600 05:13 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o the_hugme] by ChanServ 05:41 -!- mtown_nerd [~blarmail@c-75-66-129-210.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: mtown_nerd] 05:46 -!- the_hugme [~jallman@service.vendormate.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:10 -!- stowbari [~Stowbari@adsl-99-97-86-190.dsl.akrnoh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 07:49 -!- stowbari [~Stowbari@adsl-99-97-86-190.dsl.akrnoh.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:39 <@Dagmar> evilpig: http://dev.bukkit.org/server-mods/chdistantfarm-grows-your-plants/ <--- *dance* 08:52 <@Dagmar> Also new snapshot 10:49 -!- aestetix [~aestetix@173-203-198-40.static.cloud-ips.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:56 -!- aestetix [~aestetix@173-203-198-40.static.cloud-ips.com] has joined #se2600 12:16 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@129.59.140.46] has joined #se2600 14:24 < sync350> Check out the comments on this: http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/16899465/man-arrested-after-stalking-ex-girlfriend-in-parking-deck?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter 14:25 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@129.59.140.46] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:44 -!- sync350 [~sync@c-24-30-78-161.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:29 -!- stowbari [~Stowbari@adsl-99-97-86-190.dsl.akrnoh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 16:20 -!- overfien [overfien@foster.stonedcoder.org] has joined #se2600 16:47 -!- stowbari [~Stowbari@adsl-99-97-86-190.dsl.akrnoh.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:15 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: i'll get that plugin added for sure 17:16 <@Evilpig> taking my servers down to add the new raid now 17:16 -!- MinecraftRelay [~bot@wilpig.org] has quit [] 17:25 -!- m0j0-j0j0 [~jkemp@cnet520-hosoc.mcclatchyinteractive.com] has quit [Quit: Comments like that are why you have no friends] 17:29 -!- m0j0-j0j0 [~jkemp@cnet520-hosoc.mcclatchyinteractive.com] has joined #se2600 17:34 -!- MinecraftRelay [~bot@wilpig.org] has joined #se2600 17:37 <@Evilpig> [ 11.663324] scsi 7:0:0:0: Direct-Access ATA CineRAID H/W RAI 0958 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 17:37 <@Evilpig> [ 11.663455] sd 7:0:0:0: [sdd] Very big device. Trying to use READ CAPACITY(16). 17:37 <@Evilpig> [ 11.663543] sd 7:0:0:0: [sdd] 11720785920 512-byte hardware sectors: (6.00 TB/5.45 TiB) 17:37 <@Evilpig> [ 11.663632] sd 7:0:0:0: [sdd] Write Protect is off 17:37 <@Evilpig> [ 11.663693] sd 7:0:0:0: [sdd] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00 17:37 <@Evilpig> [ 11.663708] sd 7:0:0:0: [sdd] Write cache: disabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA 17:37 <@Evilpig> [ 11.663824] sd 7:0:0:0: [sdd] Very big device. Trying to use READ CAPACITY(16). 17:37 <@Evilpig> [ 11.663911] sd 7:0:0:0: [sdd] 11720785920 512-byte hardware sectors: (6.00 TB/5.45 TiB) 17:37 <@Evilpig> [ 11.663995] sd 7:0:0:0: [sdd] Write Protect is off 17:37 <@Evilpig> [ 11.664055] sd 7:0:0:0: [sdd] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00 17:37 <@Evilpig> [ 11.664067] sd 7:0:0:0: [sdd] Write cache: disabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA 17:37 <@Evilpig> it sees it. that's a good start 17:39 <@Sheath> ery big device. 17:39 <@Sheath> thats what she said 17:53 <@Evilpig> hrmmm. it was clipping right along formatting now it has slowed down considerably 18:23 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@129.59.140.46] has joined #se2600 18:27 -!- stowbari [~Stowbari@adsl-99-97-86-190.dsl.akrnoh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 18:45 <@Dagmar> Where'd you get a 6Gb disk? 18:56 <@Evilpig> my raid got here 18:56 <@Evilpig> reformatting now. fucked up and didn't realize that fdisk would claim to make a 6TB partition. but really only made a 2TB one 18:59 <@Bahhumbug> fdisk is useless; parted is your friend for large volumes. 18:59 <@Dagmar> I'm suprised you were using hardware raid 19:00 <@Dagmar> There's a thing called GPT 19:00 <@Dagmar> parted will do fuck all good without GPT support in the kernel 19:01 <@Bahhumbug> I don't know of a mainline distro kernel without gpt support; it's useland that generally lacks. people expect fdisk to do the right thing, but it doesn't. 19:01 <@Dagmar> That's because people don't know what they're doing 19:01 <@Dagmar> fdisk _can't_ do the right thing 19:02 <@Dagmar> fdisk has nothing to do with the newer EFI stuff 19:02 <@Evilpig> yes I have parted. I set it to gpt. it's formatting now 19:03 <@Bahhumbug> yes, it can. it requires the fdisk maintainer to pull his head out of his ass and realize that this is 2012 now and it's about time for fdisk to get modernized or just dropped entirely and let parted or similar replace it. 19:04 <@Evilpig> He has a point there 19:04 <@Evilpig> and I started with fdisk because that's what i've used for 15+ years at this point. 19:05 <@Evilpig> when I realized it was locked to 2TB a quick google set me to parted and gpt 19:05 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@129.59.140.46] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:05 <@Bahhumbug> We run into this daily in centos space, and shortly will as well in A New Enterprise Server-Centric Distro That Shall Not Yet Be Named. 19:06 <@Bahhumbug> fdisk needs to be shot in the back of the head. 19:07 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@129.59.140.46] has joined #se2600 19:15 -!- MinecraftRelay [~bot@wilpig.org] has quit [] 19:16 -!- MinecraftRelay [~bot@wilpig.org] has joined #se2600 19:16 <@Evilpig> that plugin is installed now 19:19 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@129.59.140.46] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:23 -!- MinecraftRelay [~bot@wilpig.org] has quit [] 19:24 -!- MinecraftRelay [~bot@wilpig.org] has joined #se2600 19:38 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@129.59.115.2] has joined #se2600 19:50 -!- sync350 [~sync@c-24-30-78-161.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 19:57 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@129.59.115.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:59 <@Dagmar> You know, it's rare when you're reading something like Forbes.com and thinking "You tell it brother, amen!" 19:59 <@Dagmar> http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrydownes/2012/01/02/why-best-buy-is-going-out-of-business-gradually/ 20:54 < eryc> best buy is still showing growth 20:54 < eryc> they partnered with fivestar in asia 20:58 <@Dagmar> Maybe China will find their antics amusing. 20:59 <@Dagmar> As to the rest, there's a _reason_ one could easily refer to my treatment of BB employees as "terrorism" 20:59 <@Dagmar> Their actual stock seldom matches up with what the website says 20:59 <@Dagmar> Their website is aggressively bad about inventory and searching in general. 21:00 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-98-211-44-193.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 21:00 <@Dagmar> Their in-store _prices_ frequently don't match what's on the website. 21:00 <@Dagmar> Their employees upsell using reasoning that doesn't make sense, and expect me to smile at them about it. 21:00 <@Dagmar> Their employees *lie*. 21:00 <@Dagmar> Their employees are generally morons 21:02 <@Dagmar> what the... 21:41 <@Evilpig> there are generally too many employees on the floor at any given time 21:42 <@Dagmar> How does that bear on that they're mostly idiots? 21:42 <@Dagmar> Some of their people I get along really well with. 21:42 <@Evilpig> I don't want to go in there because I know I will be outnumbered 3:1 in almost all cases. 21:42 <@Dagmar> Mainly the ones who don't try and bullshit me and just show me they've been paying attention to where things are in the store 21:43 <@Evilpig> I am not looking for help but the idiot one row over from my current idiot will attempt to help me event hough I just turned the first two down 21:43 <@Dagmar> When they ask me for help I give them something to do 21:43 <@Dagmar> "yes, where do you keep the _rest_ of the laptop mice" for example 21:44 <@Dagmar> I'm having a _great_ night 21:44 <@Evilpig> the last interaction I had with any of them. I was looking at hard drives. the guy came over and asked to help me. I asked him where they kept the non-extortion priced hard drives at. he looked confused 21:45 <@Dagmar> Ah, I see. You're asking htem for the impossible. 21:45 <@Dagmar> It's pretty much a given than if you're in their store looking for a hard drive that they've got you over a barrel 21:46 <@Dagmar> Plus they can't adjust their prices as quickly as any online vendor can 21:46 <@Dagmar> Arguing about pricing is basically a non-starter 21:46 <@Dagmar> I worry about the more material issues, like the guy who tries to tell me that a cheaper HDMI cable will give a poorer picture 21:47 <@Dagmar> They get _one_ fuck up like that. 21:47 <@Dagmar> On the second I tell them very clearly that they shouldn't attempt to lie to me or tell me things which are not true. 21:47 <@Dagmar> If they make it to the third, I go and bitch to their manager. 21:47 <@Evilpig> they can only parrot back what is on the box because they don't really know 21:47 <@Dagmar> GOD HELP that man if he attempts to tell me that they were correct 21:48 <@Dagmar> I'm back on the outs at the Nashville West one again for insulting their acting manager on the floor 21:49 <@Dagmar> That very same "cheap HDMI cable == poor picture quality" issue 21:49 <@Dagmar> Seriously I'm having a shit night tho 21:49 <@Dagmar> My fuckign birthday, I take a nap around 1:30pm after reassembling about half my WoW UI. 21:49 <@Evilpig> I'm annoyed with how slowly this array is formatting 21:49 <@Dagmar> Wake up at six fucking 45 with Lindsey ringing my phone 21:50 <@Dagmar> I say hello, she sings me happy birthday and then basically launches into "I want... I want... I want... I want... Since tomorrow's my birthday... I want... I want..." 21:51 <@Evilpig> lol 21:51 <@Dagmar> I tell her she just woke me up and I can't answer any of these questions yet and my phone is about to die. I hang up and then go into the bathroom to start doing cleanup stuff 21:51 <@Dagmar> FIFTEEN FUCKING MINUTES LATER she's ringing my phone AGAIN 21:51 <@Dagmar> Starts another chorus of hte "I want..." song followed by complaining that I was being mean 21:52 <@Dagmar> So now I'm in a completely shit mood 21:52 <@Dagmar> She pulled this shit last year too 21:53 <@Dagmar> Her birthday is the day after mine and I wind up spending my birthday dealing with her crap 21:53 <@Evilpig> there is a keyword in that sentence that sums all of that up 21:53 <@Dagmar> ...and then her birthday catering to her crap 21:53 <@Evilpig> She/Her 21:54 < sync350> lol well played 21:55 < sync350> http://xaxor.com/funny-pics/32915-Funny--Inappropriate-use-of-a-photo.html 21:56 <@Evilpig> ARGGG!!! Writing inode tables: 25949/44712 21:57 < eryc> i use zfs so i dont have to deal with that garbage 21:58 < eryc> linux = garbage 21:58 <@Evilpig> gonna do this several times to make sure this bitch is stable 21:58 <@Evilpig> never heard of the company before and I don't fully trust the drives either 21:58 < eryc> what co? 22:00 < eryc> areca? 22:00 <@Evilpig> uhh.. CineRaid 22:00 < eryc> is that an lsi rebrand? 22:00 <@Evilpig> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816856039 22:01 < eryc> what does /proc/scsi/scsi say 22:01 <@Dagmar> Tell me you at least defined that as a pv/vg 22:01 <@Evilpig> not on this go around I didn't 22:02 <@Dagmar> Ah okay 22:02 <@Evilpig> once i'm satisfied that it will be stable I will 22:02 < eryc> what chipset does /proc/scsi/scsi say 22:02 <@Evilpig> sec 22:03 <@Evilpig> Host: scsi7 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 Vendor: ATA Model: CineRAID H/W RAI Rev: 0958 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 05 22:03 < eryc> oh right it just shows up as mass storage? 22:04 < eryc> is that with esata or usb? 22:04 <@Evilpig> it's an esata device so yeah 22:04 < eryc> did you use usb tho? 22:04 <@Evilpig> nope 22:04 < eryc> word 22:04 <@Evilpig> I don't have any usb3 controllers 22:06 <@Evilpig> i'd be curious to see the speeds on it. but meh. 22:06 < eryc> their website says they partnered with areca for the cineraid 22:07 < eryc> so, i guess its an areca underneath 22:07 < eryc> which is good 22:08 <@Evilpig> we'll see. the price was decent and I really needed the expansion room 22:08 < eryc> what are you doing esata with 22:08 < eryc> onboard? 22:08 <@Evilpig> nope. little pci-e card I picked up with it 22:09 < eryc> who makes that? 22:09 <@Evilpig> server just saw it and ran. looking now 22:09 <@Evilpig> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816104011 22:09 < eryc> what does lspci show it as? 22:10 <@Evilpig> http://www.koutech.com/proddetail.asp?linenumber=435 22:10 <@Evilpig> looking 22:11 < eryc> hm zoom shows a silicon image and a pmc ship 22:11 <@Evilpig> 05:00.0 RAID bus controller: Silicon Image, Inc. SiI 3132 Serial ATA Raid II Controller (rev 01) 22:11 < eryc> chip even 22:11 < eryc> interesting 22:15 < eryc> so you could raid1 2 of those cineraids 22:15 < eryc> heh 22:15 <@Evilpig> yeah. if I was really paranoid about dataloss. heh 22:16 <@Evilpig> could do two sets of raid 0 too. that'd be fucked up 22:17 < eryc> heh yea 22:17 < eryc> i only do raid1 or raid10 anymore 22:17 < eryc> raid5 is shitty 22:17 <@Evilpig> this is long term storage with primarily reads so 5 is appropriate 22:18 < eryc> and only hardware raid if there's dram write cache 22:18 < eryc> raid5 you have to read 3 disks for each read 22:19 < eryc> raid1 only 1 22:19 <@Evilpig> raid 1, 50% physical space overhead. 22:19 < eryc> but without zfs you can get silent corruption 22:20 < eryc> fuse-zfs works fine unless you're doing multipathing 22:21 < eryc> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/storage/why-raid-5-stops-working-in-2009/162 22:22 < eryc> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/raid5-vs-raid-10-safety-performance.html 22:22 < eryc> http://www.miracleas.com/BAARF/RAID5_versus_RAID10.txt <- best one 22:23 < eryc> since you probably bought all the disks at the same time you're more likely to get a double disk failure and lose everything 22:23 < eryc> consumer sata are the shitiest of drives 22:23 <@brimstone> way to be dark about it 22:24 < eryc> my bad 22:24 < eryc> you can get a unicorn to sit on top of it 22:25 <@Evilpig> I agree that consumer grade sata are shit. part of the reason I am going to abuse the living hell out of this before I put anything on it 22:26 <@Evilpig> even then with a estimated lifetime of 2-3 yrs i'll be replacing it before too long anyhow 22:29 < eryc> you might be interested in duplicati, duplicity, and tahoe-lafs 22:42 <@Evilpig> if I setup something with more disks i'd like to do something different 22:53 <@Evilpig> opticron: http://www.nostalgiaair.org/PagesByModel/096/M0040096.pdf <-- what that resistor came out of 22:56 <@opticron> oooh... 23:06 -!- stowbari [~Stowbari@adsl-99-97-86-190.dsl.akrnoh.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:21 -!- peaches1984lap [gold@c-69-137-80-31.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 23:22 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-98-211-44-193.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] --- Log closed Fri Feb 10 00:00:00 2012