--- Log opened Sun Feb 05 00:00:00 2012 00:03 <@Dagmar> LOL watching Fringe with two Astrids is fun 00:04 -!- benthemeek [~i2871blh@173.221.49.218.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #se2600 00:04 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o benthemeek] by ChanServ 00:05 -!- RangerZ [~mwalker@c-98-211-44-193.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:06 -!- benthemeek1 [~i2871blh@173-14-110-221-nashville.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:06 -!- benthemeek [~i2871blh@173.221.49.218.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:06 -!- benthemeek [~i2871blh@173-14-110-221-nashville.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #se2600 00:06 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o benthemeek] by ChanServ 00:07 -!- rangerz [~mwalker@c-98-211-44-193.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 00:10 <@CNwaV> Skittles 00:15 <@Dagmar> Also... Two Anna Torvs is also quite nice. 00:20 < rangerz> Dagmar: are you running the stock rom that came with you xoom? 00:20 <@Dagmar> Yeah 00:20 <@Dagmar> I now have a reason to mod the thing 00:21 < rangerz> so you found anything with it that has bothered you? 00:21 <@Dagmar> I just have to do a little research into what exactly makes bluetooth HFP tick 00:21 < rangerz> and that reason is? 00:21 <@Dagmar> Well, the ICS update has one bug 00:21 < rangerz> about bluetooth i'd assume 00:21 <@Dagmar> Now when you tell it to never go to sleep when it's charging, it does it anyway 00:22 <@Dagmar> Well, it does A2P fine. I use bluetooth headphones with it all the time 00:22 <@Dagmar> HFP protocol isn't something they put in 00:22 <@CNwaV> It also suffers from the mobile hotspot bug.. The same one that the RAZR has... 00:22 <@Dagmar> What's that? 00:22 <@CNwaV> We had a fix approved for it and I guess it didn't make it to the final build 00:23 <@Dagmar> I haven't had it malfunction like that 00:23 <@CNwaV> Has issues connecting to a few specific websites through mhs 00:23 <@Dagmar> I use it at work, home, Bongo, JJ's 00:23 <@Dagmar> That sounds like an issue with the MHS to me 00:24 <@CNwaV> If you mhs on it and connect other devices to it, it has issues with a short list of websites.. 00:24 <@Dagmar> Oh... 00:24 <@CNwaV> Yeah it is a mhs bug, we identified it in the RAZR and now it has popped up in some of the xooms 00:25 <@Dagmar> I figure as soon as I see solid docs on building the kernel the entire thing will become academic 00:25 <@Dagmar> cuz... motha'fuckin' linux. I know it. 00:26 <@Dagmar> ...but it kinda pisses me off I can't use my bluetooth earpiece with the webcam 00:26 <@Dagmar> The built in mic puts up with some shit tho. Heh 00:26 <@Dagmar> I didn't know until recently that wasn't a reset pinhole 00:26 <@CNwaV> I am a bit pissed at what Google did to all cdma devices.. I can understand why they did it, but they could have given us warning 00:26 <@Dagmar> NOW the weird rubber bit on the cradle makes sense 00:27 <@CNwaV> Haha, omg! 00:27 <@CNwaV> Hehe 00:27 <@Dagmar> I do rather like the Xoom tho 00:27 <@Dagmar> ONCE it went a little nuts on me, right after I got it 00:27 <@CNwaV> It is a good tablet 00:27 <@Dagmar> It showed me what was clearly a riff on the Unhappy Mac 00:27 <@CNwaV> I prefer something smaller though 00:28 <@Dagmar> While I was trying to remember how to reset it, it basically just got bored of me and fixed itself. 00:28 <@Dagmar> There's still some growing pains going on with repect to sdcard usage 00:28 <@CNwaV> I hope Google does a nexus tablet 00:29 <@CNwaV> Yeah, that one still boggles my mind 00:29 <@Dagmar> So, I wanna see if I can fix the HFP support, *and* there's an issue with the keyboard that's a lot more complex 00:29 <@CNwaV> Have you seen anyone else report those issues? 00:30 <@Dagmar> The HFP issue is basically "documented" because Moto flat out says it doesnt' support HFP 00:30 <@Dagmar> I figure that was probably a concession to cell phones 00:30 <@CNwaV> Do you have a wifi or cdma version? 00:30 <@Dagmar> Wifi 00:30 <@Dagmar> I am not the man to ask if you want someone to sign those contracts 00:30 <@CNwaV> Ah, didn't know if you had a leaked ICS build for the lte one 00:30 <@Dagmar> No way in hell am I signing a contract that has me using a device I do not have total control over 00:31 <@CNwaV> You don't have to sign a contract 00:31 <@Dagmar> I was apparently in the early beta group 00:31 <@Dagmar> Everybody else got the update days later 00:31 <@Dagmar> The update was definitely an improvement 00:31 <@Dagmar> The keyboard issue is a big PITA 00:32 <@Dagmar> There's something really weird about the Xoom-branded keyboard 00:32 <@CNwaV> They do incremental rollouts typically 00:32 <@CNwaV> What is it? 00:32 <@Dagmar> So it's got these buttons along the top for various apps. 00:32 <@Dagmar> Contacts, calendar, search, etc. One of htem is _clearly_ a chat icon 00:33 <@Dagmar> It won't pull up Google Talk because it's "not supported" because the Xoom didn't ship with a chat app 00:33 <@CNwaV> Is it Google voice? 00:33 <@Dagmar> By some bizarre twist of logic, it's supported on one of the ASUS tablets 00:33 <@Dagmar> ...because it ships with a chat app. 00:33 <@CNwaV> Ah on 00:33 <@Dagmar> No, not google voice 00:33 <@CNwaV> Erm ok 00:33 <@Dagmar> Like MOto basically disables the key because they didn't ship an app for it? Bleh. I'll change that 00:34 <@Dagmar> The other thing is that ConnectBot is a fucking nightmare 00:34 <@Dagmar> I gotta figure out if that guy is just being stubborn or what 00:35 <@Dagmar> ...since there's no simultaneous meta presses on the screen keyboard, he coded the input with a bunch of workarounds 00:35 <@CNwaV> I am convinced that Google pulled the galaxy nexus and xoom from the dev list because of package signing issues they had with the lte xoom ICS build 00:35 <@Dagmar> ...but this just goes straight to FuckedUpville if you try using a bluetooth keyboard which actualyl has those keys 00:36 <@CNwaV> Yeah, bt keyboards do a lot of weird shit on android 00:36 <@Dagmar> This tablet and the keyboard would be downright awesome for ssh if it weren't for that 00:36 <@Dagmar> So... I r actually reeding java books now 00:37 <@CNwaV> Haha, f that.. 00:38 <@CNwaV> I learned something at work, they don't want me writing any code that involves sha1... 00:38 <@Dagmar> I can generally read java fine. 00:38 <@Dagmar> I just have to get my head around the larger structures so I can NOT have to spend a dog's age looking around until I find the right place to change it 00:39 <@CNwaV> I was accused of stealing code for including a public domain sha1 routine.. 00:39 <@Dagmar> Oh I'd love to see someone claim credit for the crazy shit I write 00:40 <@CNwaV> They saw the comments I put in to credit it and flipped. 00:40 <@Dagmar> lol 00:40 <@CNwaV> A bunch of stupid cap happened as a result 00:40 <@CNwaV> Cap=crap 00:42 < daswork> Great. 00:42 < daswork> My genealogy software is swapping out on a box with 1GB of ram. 00:44 < rangerz> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aeXXwQrQiPE#! wow... thats pretty low 00:44 <@CNwaV> I made the statement, "if you don't understand what public domain means, then you are an idiot "... 00:44 < rangerz> using a "steve jobs" as an angel to sell an android tablet 00:45 <@Dagmar> Impressive. 00:45 <@Dagmar> You're quicker to call them an idiot than I am 00:45 <@CNwaV> Apparently, that statement was inclusive of my superiors 00:45 <@Dagmar> They didn't know what public domain was? 00:46 <@CNwaV> That is what happens when non programmers make decisions on code 00:46 <@Dagmar> Oh you have no idea 00:46 <@Dagmar> I've been working with Buisness Objects 00:46 <@Dagmar> Someone should be tried in the Hague for that 00:47 <@CNwaV> It was a project I did on my free time to demonstrate that I could predict their new password scheme.. 00:47 <@Dagmar> Apparently, they have been shilling the same infrastructure for it, since the mid 90's, with no advancement 00:48 <@CNwaV> Well that sounds reasonable 00:48 <@Dagmar> Like, NOW that I suspect I've come to understand how it came to be, it makes sense, but it's godawful 00:48 <@Dagmar> DUde, the thing ships a non-threaded MySQL package 00:48 <@Dagmar> ...with a recent source version. 00:48 <@CNwaV> I don't like coding.. And it made me hate it even more 00:49 <@Dagmar> To update the source and never once consider "Hey there's this thing called threading that it can do now... maybe we should look into that" just kills me 00:49 <@Dagmar> They ship a tomcat in it that's just about equally disturbed 00:50 < rangerz> threadin on sql is overrated, i mean... its not like there have been books on how to multithreaded programmnig since the 70s or anything 00:50 <@Dagmar> The shell scripts in it contain a bunch of archaic pure-sh code, interspersed with some reasonably-advanced bash-specific stuff 00:50 <@Dagmar> It's practically shizophrenic 00:51 < rangerz> lol 00:51 <@Dagmar> er schiz 00:51 <@Dagmar> So I mean literally in the last ten years all they've done to it was pure bugfixes and source updates 00:52 <@Dagmar> I had been trying to fight the goddamn thing into running for about three months 00:52 <@CNwaV> They are reusing code.. 00:52 <@CNwaV> Oh, just fixes? No rewrites? 00:53 <@Dagmar> Finally got fed up with their tech support people being entirely useless and dropped a two pager on the manager of their support department explaining that his people were all incompetent and clearly didn't have the resources necessary from management to do their jobs even if they were 00:53 <@Dagmar> CNwaV: Seriously, _no_ rewrites with more intelligent approaches 00:53 <@Dagmar> ...but I've seen worse code since. 00:54 <@Dagmar> I didn't really try to tear this guy a new one or anything, but I did express that the company should feel _shame_ for shipping the product 00:54 <@Dagmar> I was quite clear about that 00:54 <@Dagmar> They got me someone useful on the phone. 00:54 <@Dagmar> I wanna send the dude flowers or something 00:55 <@Dagmar> So like, at multiple points the installer has to make a decision about using an existing deployment of system X, or installing it's own. 00:55 <@Dagmar> It'll ask you about it, and seems completely reasonable 00:55 <@Dagmar> NONE of it works 00:55 <@CNwaV> I don't rewrite.. But then I am lazy and suck at coding 00:55 <@Dagmar> So like, this is where the "let's never reassess a damn thing" approach fails in flames 00:56 <@Dagmar> Their MySQL layout and everything around it was apparently written by someone who didn't believe in abstracting things into variables, or security models. 00:56 <@CNwaV> I just write something that kinda works and then sanitize the input 00:56 <@Dagmar> It's non-threading MySQL creates a role user alright 00:56 <@Dagmar> ...which it then does a grant all privs on *.* to. 00:57 <@Dagmar> It uses this role account to issue the stop command to the server. 00:57 <@CNwaV> Hahaha, that is awesome 00:57 <@Dagmar> It gets better 00:57 <@Dagmar> One of the upgrade modules failed at four points because it tried to do things with the actual mysql root account 00:57 <@Dagmar> It does ask you for the password for that. 00:58 <@Dagmar> However, these four bits have the password it's going to use hard-coded as 'root' 00:58 <@CNwaV> *.* on the entire system? 00:58 <@Dagmar> Yes. 00:58 <@Dagmar> There is no partitioning between any of this things various parts 00:59 <@Dagmar> No attempt was ever made to clean it up to the point where it would be safe to try it 00:59 <@CNwaV> I love hard coded passwords... The guys that did America's army learned that 00:59 <@Dagmar> Their mysqld install also leaves the temp and guess stuff in there 01:00 <@Dagmar> ...and when I tried to report these glaring issues and several others to the support department, you'd think I'd suddenly started rolling my eyes and speaking in tongues by how they reacted 01:00 <@CNwaV> Here, security tip #1, never run as root(just create your own root account) 01:00 <@Dagmar> Their installer ISO contains a few custom binaries for doing things which are such "solved problems"... 01:01 <@Dagmar> Like checking out the credentials you just got from the user to make sure they're correct. It calls a binary called dbcheck 01:01 <@Dagmar> Why they couldn't use mysql directly or mysqladmin I have no idea 01:01 <@Dagmar> Possibly insanity 01:01 <@Dagmar> Anyway the thing is linked against some custom libraries which were accessiable via the soname symlinks 01:01 <@CNwaV> Why would they set r/w/x privs to /*,? That boggles my mind 01:01 <@Dagmar> Symlinks which any noob would know can't survive in a joliet filesystem 01:02 <@Dagmar> So basically, their installer was broken in a key place, and it took six rounds of communication for me to get them to just forward it to someone with a clue 01:03 <@Dagmar> The first thing I sent to them explained the problem, explained that it affected validation of the supplied DB credentials, why, and how to fix it, and that I'd already worked around it 01:03 <@Dagmar> Their support guy asked me how it was affecting my install 01:03 <@Dagmar> I'm like, wait... I just fucking told them that 01:03 <@Dagmar> Then they want to know what they can do to fix ti for my install 01:04 <@Dagmar> ...and I'm like, No, I already fixed it 01:04 <@CNwaV> Haha, why would broken symlinks affect an install? /sarcasm 01:04 <@Dagmar> All they had to do was get someone to me who had the sense to be able to say "None of those options that are coming up during hte install will actually work." 01:04 <@Dagmar> One guy was trying to tell me that they didnt' support using your own mysqld 01:05 <@Dagmar> I'm like "Not only did the installer give me the option to do it, it's explained in detail in teh damn documentation" 01:05 <@CNwaV> That is very conservative of system resources /sarcasm 01:06 <@Dagmar> But literally, there is no *sane* way I can now unify the _two_ MySQL setups and the _two_ Tomcats they've got 01:06 <@Dagmar> ...or I'll have to reverse-engineer every patch they ever send me 01:06 <@Dagmar> Like literally everything they were telling me was a combination of useless and wrong 01:07 <@Dagmar> I feel sorry for them 01:08 <@Dagmar> The state they're in now, the ony thing that will fix that product is if they take all their engineers and put them through retraining to learn how to not suck. 01:08 <@CNwaV> So you are wanting to get good enough at java to fix it for them in their code? 01:08 <@Dagmar> Oh fuck no 01:08 <@Dagmar> Jesus holy christ 01:08 <@Dagmar> What they do with Java is typical 01:08 <@Dagmar> Okay so like, Apache came out right... and people started doing CGI stuff in scripting languages with it 01:09 <@CNwaV> I don't know java well 01:09 <@Dagmar> Perl, then PHP... in both cases to speed things up they just wrote a little module 01:09 <@Dagmar> It loads under Apache, runs everything great. 01:09 <@Dagmar> Java people are "different" 01:09 <@CNwaV> Yeah... Tomcat for t3h java 01:09 <@Dagmar> The java devloper solution to that issue was to make Tomcat. To reinvent the entire fucking thing in Java 01:09 <@CNwaV> Oop people ;) 01:09 <@Dagmar> Their installer uses InstallShield 01:10 <@Dagmar> ...and two java daemons. 01:10 <@Bahhumbug> can I laugh now? 01:10 <@Dagmar> One of the first things it does is to packagize itself as an RPM, then install itself as an RPM to see if it's compatible, and then remove the RPM 01:11 <@Dagmar> It took me awhile to wrap my head around what the fuck that was doing 01:11 <@Bahhumbug> the thing is... you should not be needing to wrap your head around anything. it should _work_ without you needing to know the internals. 01:11 <@Dagmar> YES. 01:11 <@Bahhumbug> fire. 01:12 <@CNwaV> It installs to check for compatability? I guess that is one way to do it... They do realize that could have probably been accomplished with a flag, right? 01:12 <@Bahhumbug> it's the one sure answer. 01:12 <@Dagmar> The whole time I'm fucking with this thing I can't help but think that THIS is exactly the sort of amateurish bullshit the closed-source people accuse open-source people of shipping 01:12 <@CNwaV> They can't just check for dependencies? And the type of system it was on? 01:13 <@Dagmar> CNwaV: Another thing common to "java people" mentality is everything possible is in Java, so it doesn't really have dependencies that wouoldn't already be supplied by LSB or FSB, eithe rone 01:13 <@Dagmar> RHEL 5 01:13 <@Dagmar> They dont' support RHEL6. 01:13 <@CNwaV> Haha, zomg 01:13 <@Dagmar> I am quite sure that's insane 01:13 <@Bahhumbug> Not as crazy as you might think. 01:14 <@Dagmar> I was already eyeballing the thing looking for reasons it might not work with 6 when the installer told me to fuck off 01:14 <@Bahhumbug> el6 hasn't taken off like RH thought it would. 01:14 <@Bahhumbug> Lots of 3rd party vendors aren't supporting as of yet. 01:14 <@Bahhumbug> Hence the reason that EL5/6 support lifetime is now 10 years instead of 7. 01:14 <@CNwaV> I had a fucked issue like that with an implementation of a toolchain lately 01:14 <@Dagmar> It's been available for like a year now, and again, this thing is damn near all java and _other open-source projects_ which work fine on RHEL6 01:15 <@Dagmar> These guys don't even have it in teseting 01:15 <@Dagmar> er testing 01:15 <@Dagmar> The only reason I can figure is that they've just no idea how UNix machines work 01:16 <@Bahhumbug> this is a CA product, right? 01:16 <@Dagmar> Yes. 01:16 <@Bahhumbug> CA hasn't gotten unix right going back to the 90s and SCO/Dell/Consensys, etc. 01:16 <@Dagmar> All commercial vendors can fuck right off for all time for all I care at this point 01:16 <@Dagmar> DiamondIP is showing some of the same insanities 01:17 <@Bahhumbug> Is that your IP management suite? 01:17 <@Dagmar> They're using ISC's DHCPd and BIND, which is all well and good 01:17 <@Dagmar> Yep. 01:17 <@Dagmar> 'cept they want the named chrooted. 01:17 <@Bahhumbug> I've heard mixed reviews regardig the project. 01:17 <@Dagmar> THIS IS NOT HARD SHIT ANYMORE. 01:17 <@Bahhumbug> chroot'ing bind is... um... trivial? 01:17 <@Dagmar> They run through like 1,000 lines of code before even getting to that point in starting it 01:18 <@Dagmar> This really kills me tho 01:18 <@Dagmar> I mean seriously 01:18 <@CNwaV> It is bad to chroot named... 01:18 <@Dagmar> It's _easy_ to chroot named. 01:18 <@Dagmar> It's even easy to do it _properly_ 01:18 <@Dagmar> They've done a lot of work on it to make sure you _can_ do it 01:19 <@Bahhumbug> All my bind instances, even those at the house, are chroot'd. 01:19 <@Dagmar> Except DiamondIP also has had no architectural improvements in forever. 01:19 <@CNwaV> I always thought there were serious security implications 01:19 <@Bahhumbug> Anything that Vixie touches should be chroot'd 01:19 <@Dagmar> So, instead of using the thing the easy way, and calling the bloody chroot command, they crafted their own suid binary to chroot it 01:19 <@Bahhumbug> wait a minute. 01:19 <@CNwaV> I guess that solves any compiletime issues 01:19 <@Bahhumbug> they are chroot()'ing bind on their own? 01:20 <@Dagmar> Yes. They got that part of the security model ass backwards. 01:20 <@Dagmar> They elected to never involve uid 0... except for the suid root binary that temporarily gets it privs so it can chroot 01:20 <@Dagmar> ...which is probably a larger danger than trusting ISC's code by a magnitude of order 01:21 <@Bahhumbug> wow... 01:21 <@Bahhumbug> that's.... 01:21 <@Bahhumbug> wow. 01:21 <@Dagmar> It gets better 01:22 <@Dagmar> So... before it gets to that point, the software has to figure out how it's supposed to start the daemon, which would be different if it were an "appliance" or installed on a host... the latter is a configuration I'm not sure they even support 01:22 <@Dagmar> So it runs some java shit. 01:22 <@Dagmar> ...after iteratively searching part of the filesystem for everything with a jar file in it and setting a classpath based on that 01:22 <@Dagmar> So it runs this java thing to tell it what it is. 01:23 <@Dagmar> ...which involves a whole buncha evaluation of files and configuration stuff. 01:23 <@Dagmar> ...and can fuck up. 01:23 <@Bahhumbug> haha 01:23 <@CNwaV> Does it work with updated jre? 01:23 <@Dagmar> SANE people would just fucking put a flat file in the /etc directory 01:23 <@Dagmar> CNwaV: Hell they're using 1.6u20 01:23 <@Bahhumbug> remind me to avoid that trainwreck. 01:24 <@Dagmar> An intelligent refactoring of that crap would probably make it fit on a pair of floppy disks 01:24 <@am1n0> haha 01:24 <@Dagmar> I had to do a lot of bash -x on their stuff the other night to figure out why the named fails 01:25 <@Dagmar> The whole time I'm thinking my shit at home I practically just threw together and it's more organized than this 01:25 <@Bahhumbug> -v is useful as well. 01:26 <@CNwaV> Outputs too much info for me 01:27 <@Bahhumbug> heh 01:27 <@Dagmar> I'm thinking it's time for fuckers in commercial software to stop reinventing the wheel 01:28 <@Bahhumbug> when debugging I almost always run it under script and just review it at my leisure. 01:28 <@Bahhumbug> Dagmar: I've been saying that since the late 80s. 01:28 <@Dagmar> It's one thing to avoid stealing other people's code. 01:28 <@Dagmar> It's entire another to write as if you just crawled out of a cave. 01:28 <@Bahhumbug> With the advent of Java it's gotten so much worse I don't ever see it turning around. 01:29 <@Dagmar> I actually draw the line at having to decompile java 01:29 <@Bahhumbug> I effectivly draw the line at "java". 01:29 <@Bahhumbug> Let someone else worry about it. 01:29 <@Dagmar> If I have to decompile your shit to fix it, I'm just going to call and annoy the shit out of support 01:29 <@CNwaV> I get overwhelmed with verbose output... ;) 01:30 <@CNwaV> -vi 01:30 <@Bahhumbug> The only java app that I've not wanted to beat with a ballbat for the past lot of years has been subsonic. 01:30 <@Bahhumbug> it. just. works. 01:30 <@Dagmar> hallelujah 01:31 <@Dagmar> I saw a news article the other morning about companies not wanting to hire older coders because they're "expensive" 01:31 < rangerz> as someone who has played around with a lot of languages, and system design, os design classes... and then taken a c++ class as a refresher... after years of java... jesus tap dancing christ... some of the shit in c++ makes me want to go slap ISO 01:31 <@Dagmar> They'll underpay a grad student vs paying an experienced engineer a bigger check 01:31 <@CNwaV> Saw a cool Linux media server build using subsonic the other day 01:31 <@Dagmar> ...and I'm thinking "Yes, and the quality of the code I see shows it." 01:32 <@Dagmar> I think I liked admin work better in the late 90's because if I needed something I'd just write it 01:32 < rangerz> it _shoud not_ be this hard to have a block of memory deleted after it is no longer used, you can do it 'easily' if you wrap every object with a smart pointer, but ehh 01:32 <@CNwaV> Yeah I saw that article too.. Was funny when it got to the part about relaxing standards to hire h1b visa holders that were younger 01:32 <@Dagmar> ...instead of trying to get support people to help me make the "professional" code do what it's supposed to 01:33 <@Bahhumbug> Dagmar: I've never once met a professional java developer that didn't do anything productive in a sane amount of time. 01:33 <@Bahhumbug> I know they are out there, but I've never dealt with one. 01:33 <@Dagmar> Hell I wanna yell at these kids who bitch about Notch being horrible 01:33 <@Bahhumbug> They irritate me to the point of wanting to tell them "Hi. Please just fuck the hell off and let me do it in bash." 01:34 <@Dagmar> By common standards, his code is actually pretty fucking good 01:34 <@CNwaV> Yeah, unallocating mem in c is a pain 01:34 <@Dagmar> jesus, if you can do it in bash java has no business being in the picture 01:34 <@CNwaV> He is just one man... Not an entire dev team. He should be cut some slack 01:35 <@Bahhumbug> I'm about as far from a java fanboi as one can get. I've never once been convinced that it's useful for 99% of the "solutions" I've seen it provide. 01:35 <@CNwaV> True dat! 01:35 <@Dagmar> I think it's "okay" 01:35 <@Dagmar> I don't care for the overuse of dots. 01:35 <@Bahhumbug> It has its uses. 01:35 <@Dagmar> The shit some people code in it just kills me tho 01:35 <@Bahhumbug> But it's also greatly oeverused where is makes no sense at all to be use. 01:35 <@Bahhumbug> yep 01:36 <@Dagmar> Yeah Oracle seems to have some rule about "EVERYTHING IN JAVA DAMNIT" 01:36 <@Dagmar> This is probably why InstallShield is in java, even though it doesn't make any sense 01:37 <@Dagmar> The fucking Slackware pakcage manager is more advanced 01:37 <@Bahhumbug> I remember when installshield was small and fast. 01:37 <@Bahhumbug> Oh wait. That's before the java portage project. 01:37 <@Dagmar> I remember when it stayed on Windows machines where it belonged 01:37 <@Bahhumbug> The newest versions there are even java now, aren't they? 01:38 <@Bahhumbug> oh is it just so full of bloat it's hard to tell the difference? 01:38 <@Bahhumbug> s/oh/or/ 01:38 <@Dagmar> I know what I'm doing for April 1st. 01:38 <@Dagmar> Gonna tell people Dropline is porting GNOME to Java 01:38 <@Dagmar> Hopefully no one will gun me down for that 01:39 <@CNwaV> What!?!? 01:39 <@Bahhumbug> Go with KDE instead. Make Kevin Kofler's head explode. 01:39 <@Dagmar> heeeheeehee 01:39 <@CNwaV> Haha, nah, fluxbox 01:40 <@Dagmar> Ah yes, reimplemnting fluxbox in java probably would get me shot 01:40 <@CNwaV> Exactly ;) 01:40 <@Dagmar> Gonna make a big deal about rounded sans support too 01:40 <@Dagmar> ...although I do like rounded sans 01:41 <@Dagmar> It's easy on the eyes 01:42 <@CNwaV> Comic sans bitches! 01:42 <@Dagmar> No, not Comic Sans... Sans serif fonts with rounded ends. 01:42 <@Dagmar> Like both Ubuntu and Android use now 01:42 <@CNwaV> I know, comic sans is kinda a joke with old html coders 01:43 <@CNwaV> I am using android 01:43 <@CNwaV> And ubuntu, but that is about to be gone 01:43 <@Bahhumbug> excellent! 01:44 <@Dagmar> I can't keep using Ubuntu if they're going to stick with Unity, so... back to making Dropline go 01:44 <@CNwaV> I might bite the bullet and go back to slackware 01:44 <@Dagmar> 14 will likely have the 3.2 kernel 01:45 <@Dagmar> He might jump straight to v14.4 for giggles 01:45 <@CNwaV> Seriously? 01:46 <@Dagmar> You are aware the current release is v13.37, right? 01:46 <@Dagmar> Patrick likes making fun of marketing-based versioning 01:46 <@CNwaV> Nope, it has been a while since I ran slackware 01:46 <@Dagmar> He will, of course, increment the major version by at whole digit based on the depth of the kernel change 01:47 <@Dagmar> ...because he's Patrick and he knows how shit's supposed to be done. 01:47 <@Dagmar> we had v13, and then a large number of changes, but not any one major piece, so he incremented to 13.37 01:47 <@CNwaV> Well the next one should be 13.47 01:48 <@CNwaV> A new way of spelling leet 01:48 <@CNwaV> Leat 01:48 <@Dagmar> No a kernel tree change for slackware has always constituted a major version number change 01:48 <@Dagmar> Remember he got a little mad about certain other distros making trivial changes and bumping their major version up just so it looked good on a flyer 01:49 <@CNwaV> Has it almost been two months already? 01:49 <@Dagmar> It's why he skipped a number 01:49 <@Dagmar> Ubuntu is at least honest about it 01:49 <@Dagmar> it's a calendar date 01:49 <@CNwaV> Yeah, ubuntu does the gimmick name thing all the time 01:50 <@Dagmar> Yes, but at least they're not pretending it's supposed to be a sequence that relates to the development of the code 01:50 <@Dagmar> It's flat out YY.MM for them 01:51 <@CNwaV> I am talking about the codenames..? 01:51 <@CNwaV> -? 01:51 <@Dagmar> They rejected all my suggestions on that 01:51 <@Dagmar> I think if I could have come up with one for K I may have had a shot at it 01:51 <@CNwaV> Have you seen all the linux kernel codenames? 01:51 <@Dagmar> Q was also problematic 01:52 <@Dagmar> Some of them. None of them are references to masturbation tho 01:52 <@CNwaV> Kicking kangaroo? 01:52 <@Dagmar> I was suggesting things like Lascivious Lemur and so on 01:53 <@Dagmar> Masurbating Marmoset was an easy one 01:53 <@CNwaV> Kinky koala? 01:53 <@CNwaV> Quixotic quail? 01:53 <@Dagmar> This will sound hypocritical but that felt too cheap 01:54 <@CNwaV> Which one? 01:54 <@Dagmar> Kinky Koala 01:54 <@CNwaV> Awww... I feel unappreciated now 01:54 <@Dagmar> I went with Knuckle-shuffling 01:55 <@Dagmar> If you're going to use "code" names, they should be things people don't want to say 01:55 <@Dagmar> hehe 01:55 <@Dagmar> ...but they'd remember them. 01:55 <@CNwaV> http://www.ubuntuvibes.com/2011/11/many-names-of-linux-kernels.html 01:56 <@Dagmar> Damn yeah my WoW config is demolished 01:56 <@Dagmar> fuuu-uuuu 01:56 <@CNwaV> Check those out 01:56 <@Dagmar> heh 01:56 <@CNwaV> Pink farting weasel 01:57 <@Dagmar> It's like they and I share the same mind 01:58 <@Bahhumbug> That's scary. 01:58 <@Dagmar> http://www.ubuntuvibes.com/2012/02/new-gtk3-and-gnome-shell-themes.html <-- this person faps to pics of Steve Jobs 01:59 <@Bahhumbug> znetindia... "yay" 01:59 <@CNwaV> They are clean, at least... 02:00 <@CNwaV> Hehe, don't get me started on jobs 02:00 <@Bahhumbug> meh, they're a google site. 02:00 <@Dagmar> I'm not amused my first thought was "are they running this on OSx now?" 02:00 <@CNwaV> Rockett got awoken at 6an because I was screaming at the top of my lungs about Steve Jobs in my hotel room 02:01 <@Dagmar> Umm 02:01 <@CNwaV> 6an=6am 02:01 <@Dagmar> I forgot about how problematic a shaved head is 02:01 <@CNwaV> I am not a fan of jobs 02:02 <@CNwaV> Or the tactics that Apple uses 02:02 <@Dagmar> Can't really shampoo it... can't use a washcloth on it any more than you can on velcro 02:03 <@CNwaV> Use an astringent 02:03 <@Dagmar> Hahah no 02:03 <@Dagmar> I've already made the mistake of putting lotion on my head. 02:03 <@Dagmar> Lotion with _alcohol_ in it 02:04 <@Dagmar> it was like wearing a skintight helmet of flame 02:04 <@CNwaV> If you have a good razor, it isn't too bad, use witch hazel 02:05 <@Bahhumbug> I'm sorry to laugh at your discomfort, but that was funny. 02:05 <@CNwaV> Lotion will continue to burn cause it is petroleum based, it won't evaporate 02:05 <@Dagmar> Oh I laughed about it too 02:05 <@Dagmar> I SO should have seen it coming 02:05 <@CNwaV> Not during, I assume 02:05 <@Dagmar> Not at the start 02:05 <@Dagmar> I was too busy going "Holy shit that burns!" 02:06 <@Dagmar> My scalp was only moderately angry until then 02:06 <@CNwaV> If the burning is an issue, use something that is isotonic, it won't burn 02:07 <@Dagmar> Something _without_ alcohol in it would have been fine 02:07 <@CNwaV> It doesn't cause a fluid shift... 02:08 <@CNwaV> .. At all 02:08 <@CNwaV> That is the definition of isotonic 02:09 <@Dagmar> "Cetyl Alcohol". Right there in the list of ingredients. 02:10 <@CNwaV> Yeah, not the kind of alcohol you want on your head.. It is a solid at room temperature 02:11 <@CNwaV> It doesn't readily evaporate... Only the other solvents do 02:11 <@Dagmar> I'm trying to avoid sticking to the pillow 02:12 <@Dagmar> This kind of microstubble makes a weird ass noise when you move a millimeter while trying to sleep 02:12 <@CNwaV> Just get a set of sheets with an insanely high threadcount 02:12 <@CNwaV> Haha, or wear a swimcap 02:12 <@Dagmar> 600. 02:13 <@Dagmar> I've just got rather sensitive hearing and any "new" sounds tend to mess with my ability to stay asleep still 02:14 <@CNwaV> Well I can't stay asleep as it is... 02:14 <@CNwaV> So a shaved head wouldn't work for me these days... 02:15 <@CNwaV> ... Also, my hair is too beautiful ;) 02:16 <@Dagmar> I am figuring with the way me with no hair accentuates that my face slides all over my skull when I talk... after a few weeks of that no one's going to say a thing if my hair starts coming back in blonde 02:16 <@Dagmar> They're just going to be happy to see hair 02:16 <@Bahhumbug> heh 02:18 <@CNwaV> Hey, have you ever seen an ethernet network punched down on a bix block with pigtails? 02:19 <@Dagmar> Yes. 02:19 <@Dagmar> I've used that to put lightning dampeners on circuits 02:19 <@Dagmar> It's just generally NOT spec 02:19 <@Dagmar> it does *work* tho 02:19 <@Dagmar> ...assuming there's no strong sources of interference nearby 02:21 <@CNwaV> This didn't have any dampeners.... It was a residential network, had modular rj45 punchdown ends on the other ends of the drops 02:21 <@Dagmar> lol 02:21 <@Dagmar> Someone recycled some old phone equipment then 02:21 <@Dagmar> Don't expect it to do gig-E 02:21 <@Dagmar> It will probably work for fast ethernet tho 02:22 <@CNwaV> One cat5 run had all 4 pairs pigtailed to three drops.. So if you plugged a computer into one.. You would kill all the other drops on that cat5 run 02:23 <@CNwaV> If you had more than one drop hooked up, all three rooms on that cat5 run wouldn't work 02:24 <@CNwaV> Some of the drops were wired incorrectly too... 02:25 <@CNwaV> They would have a single run running to four jacks on the same faceplate 02:25 <@CNwaV> Some of the shit was just plain unuseable 02:26 <@CNwaV> Then I brought my badass punchdown that had clearance issues with the offbrand female rj45 jacks 02:30 <@CNwaV> I had to redo so many drops in the wiring closet, my hands started to crampons really bad and my fingers were raw from the stiff ass copper 02:30 <@CNwaV> Crampons=cramp 02:31 <@CNwaV> Oh, and the best part, all the wiring was put in before they put in the blown insulation... 02:32 <@CNwaV> And the previous owner insisted that there was a hub in the attic, so I had to dig up all the insulation. 02:32 <@CNwaV> All of this as a favor to a friend that just bought a new housr 02:32 <@CNwaV> -r +e 02:36 <@CNwaV> Mmmm... This evenings sleep brought to you by ambien 02:42 <@CNwaV> Grrr.. Need to pick out my new tv 02:45 <@Bahhumbug> You can buy me one while you're at it. 02:47 <@CNwaV> I can't afford it, I am buying a new gun at the same time.. Custom 1911 02:47 <@CNwaV> Oh, yeah and a new car 02:47 <@CNwaV> I want a new house, but I have to wait 02:48 <@CNwaV> But then I am not buying anything for a LONG time 02:51 <@CNwaV> Just beer, rum, gas, food and cigarettes after that... 02:52 -!- rangerz [~mwalker@c-98-211-44-193.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:54 <@CNwaV> You see what order I put those in? 02:57 <@CNwaV> I have priorities 02:58 <@Bahhumbug> heh 03:05 <@CNwaV> If strStuff =/= "beer, rum, gas" then varExcuses =0 03:07 <@CNwaV> I guess I could have bool'ed Excuses 03:17 <@CNwaV> Would have taken less memory to store it 03:20 <@Bahhumbug> yeah, cause shaving a couple bytes here and there is so important these days :) 03:21 <@CNwaV> Just good practice 03:22 <@Bahhumbug> I stopped caring about wasting bytes many, many years ago. 03:22 <@Bahhumbug> If I was doing embedded work it might be different, but I'm not. 03:23 <@CNwaV> But then you run into security issues down the road... 03:24 <@CNwaV> Less allocated memory, the better 03:29 <@CNwaV> That is what I always felt 03:30 <@Bahhumbug> I'm not convinced that's the case, personally. 03:30 <@Bahhumbug> But I'm just a poorly systems engineer. I know nothing. 03:31 <@Bahhumbug> (including the difference between "poor" and "poorly" apparently :( ) 03:31 <@CNwaV> It also helps with sanitizing the input too... 03:32 <@CNwaV> But, hell, I don't know shit 03:33 <@CNwaV> Just a peon 03:33 <@Bahhumbug> join the club 03:44 <@CNwaV> I need to go back into business for myself 03:47 <@Bahhumbug> I'm planning on the direct opposite; getting out of consulting and going back to the 9-5 thing. 03:47 <@CNwaV> Screw 9-5 I can't handle the traffic 03:48 <@CNwaV> I work 3pm to 11pm by choice... 03:48 <@CNwaV> But I would rather be doing it for myself, but my employees does have insane benefits 03:49 <@Evilpig> man... this beaner is asking for it 03:49 <@CNwaV> Employees =employers 03:49 <@CNwaV> Which beaver? 03:49 <@Evilpig> I've been playing this realtime strategy game on facebook for hte last year or so. 03:50 <@Evilpig> this guy named Rodrigo attacks me while I sleep. I wake up to 20+ attacks over the course of like three hours 03:50 <@Evilpig> I then go wipe him off the map with one attack and call it done 03:50 <@Evilpig> the twat has repeated this for the last four days 03:51 <@Evilpig> dude has made no progress on me but managed to lose the one expansion he had because I got pissed and took it 03:54 <@Evilpig> the bad part is. each time I destroy him he gets a 2 day long damanage protection "buff" that makes me unable to touch him _unless_ he does something stupid liek attack me 03:56 <@Bahhumbug> taunt him. 03:57 <@Evilpig> I just sent him an in game message that said "Clearly you didn't get hte hint after teh first time you attacked me and I wiped you off the map as payback. The second time I took your expansion as punishment. I will continue to mop the floor with your face until you LEAVE ME ALONE" 03:58 <@Evilpig> the bad part for him is he can't build shit cause the second I realize he's attacked me, again. I destory it all, again 04:00 <@Evilpig> http://i.imgur.com/BG3G1.jpg 04:00 <@Evilpig> the results of my latest walk through him 04:02 <@CNwaV> Oh, that is pain 04:02 <@Bahhumbug> you left some stuff standing. 04:02 <@Evilpig> it wasn't standing when I was finished 04:02 <@Evilpig> I was doing hte screenshot while they finished up 04:02 <@Bahhumbug> Ahh. 04:02 <@Bahhumbug> Good man. 04:02 <@Bahhumbug> what game is that? 04:03 <@Evilpig> Backyard monsters 04:03 <@Evilpig> he's level 38 and i'm 45 04:03 <@Bahhumbug> I'm almost bored enough to check it out. 04:03 <@Evilpig> this is what my main place looks like. http://i.imgur.com/wN6n9.jpg 04:04 <@Bahhumbug> nice totem poles 04:04 <@Evilpig> that was from some special event thing they had 04:04 <@Evilpig> means I made it through 30 of the 32 rounds 04:04 <@Evilpig> the last two were crazy hard 04:05 <@Bahhumbug> those blood spots from Rodrigo? 04:05 <@Evilpig> yup 04:05 <@Bahhumbug> :) 04:09 <@Evilpig> dumb shit appears to have attacked all of my outposts. this is annoying to repair 04:21 <@Evilpig> oh for a possible slogan or something for geeknic I was tossing around the idea of "Look at how realist those trees are" or "No rendered foliage here" 04:37 <@Bahhumbug> I so hate you. 04:37 <@Bahhumbug> So, so, so much do I hate you. 04:37 <@Bahhumbug> This is going to waste all my time, I just know it. 04:37 <@Bahhumbug> But it's so cute... 04:42 <@Evilpig> yeah it really does waste alot of time 04:43 <@Evilpig> but being a real time strategy game you can connect and start something building then check on it the next day 04:43 <@Evilpig> use the initial extra shiny for the extra workers, btw. and anything with a buildtime of less than 5 minutes tell it to speed up and it's free 04:48 * Bahhumbug nods 07:32 -!- stowbari [~Stowbari@adsl-99-97-86-190.dsl.akrnoh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 09:17 -!- scribbles [s@206.253.164.188] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:18 -!- scribbles [s@206.253.164.188] has joined #se2600 09:48 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Catonic] by ChanServ 19:49 <@Evilpig> GeekNIC: Geeks gone wild 20:13 < rangerz> So I really like the Eastwood commercial 20:14 < rangerz> And glad to see the Avengers is coming out semi-early in the year, I want to see that 20:51 <@Evilpig> I'm not watching. i'll catch the good bits from y'all and later on youtube 20:55 < rangerz> www.youtube.com/adblitz 20:58 <@Evilpig> I stopped to get some dinner earlier and the girl behind the counter asked me who was rooting for in the superbowl. I told her the advertisers. She literally stopped completely to think about what I just said 21:26 -!- rangerz [~mwalker@c-98-211-44-193.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:27 -!- rangerz [~mwalker@c-98-211-44-193.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 21:31 -!- rangerz [~mwalker@c-98-211-44-193.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:33 <@Bahhumbug> Most ads blew chunks this year. The Doritos with the buried cat was ok. The Eastwood commericial for Detroit / GM was ok. The Clydesdale Bud commericial was ok. The best were, at best, meh. And Madonna and Ceeloo or whatever that idiots name is were pretty bad. 21:33 <@Bahhumbug> The highlight of the night was watching Belichick leaving the field a FUCKING CHEATING DOUCHEBAG LOSER. 21:34 <@Sheath> who 21:34 <@Evilpig> what did he do? 21:35 <@Evilpig> or more what did he get caught doing? 21:35 <@Bahhumbug> couple years back he got nailed having paid franchise employees in the stands with parabolic microphones eavesdropping on opponent sideline talk. 21:36 <@Bahhumbug> it's now illegal, it wasn't then. his was the precedent setting example of how NOT to be a cunt. 21:39 <@Dagmar> evilpig: Did you see those links I pasted? 21:40 <@Evilpig> what were they about? 21:40 <@Dagmar> karl_w_w: It's all part of the Infernal Hype Machine 21:40 <@Dagmar> Kalimdor. In Minecraft. 21:40 <@Evilpig> nope I missed that 21:40 <@Dagmar> http://cursecraft.com/media/kalimdor8bit.png 21:43 <@Dagmar> I'm now noticing something interesting about Azshara 21:46 <@Evilpig> that's really cool. 21:46 <@Evilpig> now if they would only make that world downloadable somewhere. heh 21:46 <@Dagmar> I was told it'll be on Curse as soon as it's available 21:47 <@Evilpig> makes sense if curse is sponsoring it. and it looks like they are 21:47 <@Dagmar> There's some arguing with the guy doing it going on about how the scale is a problem 21:47 <@Dagmar> ...and everyone's like "NO FUCK WORRYING ABOUT THAT JUST RUN THE PROGRAM" 21:48 <@Evilpig> heh. it is amazing to say the least 21:52 -!- stowbari [~Stowbari@adsl-99-97-86-190.dsl.akrnoh.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:03 <@Dagmar> Seriously. The Goblins really know how to kiss some ass: http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100919014349/wowwiki/images/thumb/d/d7/WorldMap-Aszhara.jpg/830px-WorldMap-Aszhara.jpg 22:40 -!- sync350 [~sync@c-24-30-78-161.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 22:41 -!- rangerz [~mwalker@c-98-211-44-193.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 22:43 -!- daswork [~dasunt@75-168-168-128.mpls.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:46 <@Bahhumbug> I'm not into WoW at all, and haven't tried minecraft. But even as an outsider I have to admit the 1:1 WoW map in minecraft is pretty friggin' cool. 22:47 <@Evilpig> damn amazing for sure. 22:48 <@Evilpig> I was reading the thread and see the issues they are having 22:48 <@Evilpig> the minecraft world isn't tall enough for a real 1:1 22:49 -!- daswork [~dasunt@75-168-168-128.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #se2600 22:50 -!- peaches1984lap [pink@c-69-137-80-31.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 22:51 -!- peaches1984lap [pink@c-69-137-80-31.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has left #se2600 [] 23:28 < daswork> Damn, gimp is nifty. 23:28 < daswork> Yes, yes, it ain't photoshop, but it allowed me to clean up an old photo. 23:29 < daswork> Now I can advertise myself as a image-fixer-upper-guy, right? 23:37 <@Evilpig> sure why not 23:37 <@Evilpig> NotLarry advertises himself as a woman pleaser 23:43 < NotLarry_> I do no such thing 23:43 < NotLarry_> I'm out to please me, fuck them. 23:43 -!- NotLarry_ [~NotLarry@c-68-53-104-117.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:44 -!- NotLarry [~NotLarry@c-68-53-104-117.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 23:44 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o NotLarry] by ChanServ 23:44 <@NotLarry> surprise and dissapoint maybe 23:47 -!- CNwaV [~yaaic@68-189-190-128.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com] has joined #se2600 23:47 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o CNwaV] by ChanServ 23:47 <@CNwaV> I am still not clear on this Google thing 23:50 < rangerz> what google thing? 23:50 <@CNwaV> What is this Google thing that I keep hearing about? 23:52 <@Evilpig> a new porn site 23:52 <@Evilpig> all scat, all the time 23:53 <@CNwaV> How could I have gone so long without hearing about a new scat site? 23:53 <@CNwaV> It better not disappoint! 23:55 <@CNwaV> It's not a scat site, I will never forgive you for misleading me. 23:56 < rangerz> it leads to scat sites 23:56 < rangerz> but your google-fu must be strong 23:56 <@Evilpig> it's an index for scat sites 23:56 <@Evilpig> we did have a good laugh at the meeting friday. we mentioned rule 34 to jonnyx and he was unclear on it for a minute 23:57 < rangerz> There is a page every once in a while for bondage, and for how to kill your coworkers, but thats about it 23:57 <@Evilpig> everyone stopped and looked at him like "really?" 23:57 < rangerz> nice --- Log closed Mon Feb 06 00:00:00 2012