--- Log opened Sat Jan 28 00:00:00 2012 00:24 <@Evilpig> well that went smooth. 00:24 <@Evilpig> forum migration complete 00:58 -!- rangerz [~mwalker@c-98-211-44-193.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:35 -!- peaches1984lap [blue@c-69-137-80-31.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:47 <@Evilpig> I just noticed something. how can a server claim to have raid10 with only three disks? 03:07 <@Dagmar> All three make one shitty volume 03:17 <@Evilpig> I went back to the first time I mdstat'd that thing. it only had two of the drives in it then 03:18 <@Evilpig> I should have completely redone that server 04:30 -!- Mercster_ [~merc@c-67-187-105-139.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 04:30 -!- mode/#se2600 [+b *!*@c-67-187-105-139.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] by ChanServ 04:30 -!- Mercster_ was kicked from #se2600 by ChanServ [Banned: get lost] 04:38 -!- doodah [~merc@anhedonia.sammy.net] has joined #se2600 04:39 < doodah> come on, unban merc@zeniv 04:39 < doodah> how many months has it been 04:39 < doodah> dont you need something to be outraged by 04:57 <@Evilpig> no I have skydick 04:57 < doodah> heya Evilpig 04:58 -!- doodah is now known as Merster 04:59 < Merster> thi stupid box only has colirc 04:59 < Merster> s/thi/this 05:00 < Merster> Evilpig: come on man, ill shuttup, you cant clear that ban? 05:04 < Merster> it's been like, 12 months, it's a little excessive 05:06 < Merster> the UN human rights declaration states that i should get the chance to get myself banned every year 05:07 <@Bahhumbug> I'm bored. 05:07 -!- Merster was kicked from #se2600 by Bahhumbug [Merster] 05:07 <@Bahhumbug> There, now I am less bored. 05:07 -!- Merster [~merc@anhedonia.sammy.net] has joined #se2600 05:07 < Merster> you son of a 05:07 < Merster> HOW DARE YOU 05:07 <@Bahhumbug> *smooch* 05:07 < Merster> ;) 05:11 <@Evilpig> oh I can clear the ban. after I put the last one in place I said I'd never remove it cause i'd learned my lesson that time 05:12 < Merster> yeah but how long ago was that 05:12 <@Evilpig> not long enough 05:12 < Merster> i really dont remember 05:12 < Merster> oh come on, dude 05:12 <@Evilpig> 4742536 secs ago 05:12 < Merster> now you're gonna make be break out bc 05:13 <@Bahhumbug> 54 days 05:13 < Merster> aww, wait 05:13 < Merster> no 05:13 < Merster> it has to have been longer than that 05:13 <@Bahhumbug> it was 05:14 <@Bahhumbug> I could check my logs but frankly I don't like you enough to waste my time. 05:14 < Merster> hmm yeah that second count is about 55 days 05:14 < Merster> but that cant be right 05:15 < Merster> dude, what can i do. give me another chance. 05:15 < Merster> if we're all honest with each other, it's probable that ill get banned again 05:15 < Merster> i realize that 05:15 < Merster> but give me the chance 05:16 < Merster> it'll provide you with something to do, if nothing else 05:16 <@Bahhumbug> 07/12/2011 05:17 * Bahhumbug pats his logs and his data mining 05:17 < Merster> hm 05:17 < Merster> you're on top of shit 05:17 < Merster> i knew it wasnt 55 days 05:17 < Merster> it's been months 05:18 <@Bahhumbug> 55 days is when services restarted and reloaded their data tables 05:18 < Merster> Evilpig: come on 05:18 < Merster> Bahhumbug: nod, right 05:21 < Merster> Bahhumbug: what was the line that last got me banned? 05:21 <@Bahhumbug> Mercster: frankly I don't care if you are unbanned or not because, as you yourself said, it's highly likely you will end up being banned again. But the point is that perhaps if you hadn't gone out of your way to be a dick, repeatedly, you wouldn't be in this position. 05:21 < Merster> since you're mining your data anyway 05:22 < Merster> well that's what im always charged with, "trolling", which is another name for "going out of my way to be a dick" 05:22 < Merster> but i maintain that i never troll, people just dont like what i have to say sometimes 05:22 < Merster> and as soon as someone doesnt like what you have to say, the easiest retort is "you're a troll!" 05:22 < Merster> and that's fine, whatever 05:23 < Merster> it's like calling someone a nazi on usenet 05:23 < Merster> as soon as you brand someone a nazi, the debate is over 05:24 <@Bahhumbug> The same old shit - your constant running of your fingers spewing shit all over the channel. 05:25 < Merster> so what i mean by "ill probably be banned again" is, im sure ill say something that isnt popular 05:25 < Merster> dude im not spewing shit, it's just how i learned to irc, everyone i know irc's this way 05:25 <@Bahhumbug> I don't believe that was ever the reason, speaking as a fairly impartial observer. It was the noise. 05:25 < Merster> we dont type a block of text 05:26 < Merster> i seperate my communication into discrete lines and organize them that way while i type 05:26 < Merster> im not doing it on purpose to flood the channel or whatever, it's just how ive been irc'ing since 1993 or so 05:26 <@Bahhumbug> You're missing the point, so I'm done with this other than to say your spew was, again, spamming lyrics. 05:27 <@Bahhumbug> So you have fun trying to persuade someone to care. 05:27 < Merster> ok well i promise not to spam lyrics on this channel again 05:27 * Bahhumbug & 05:27 < Merster> oh come on 05:27 < Merster> give me a chance 05:27 < Merster> I WONT SPEW LYRICS 05:27 < Merster> ive got other channels for that, frankly 05:28 < Merster> though, i will say, if it's 3am and noone else is typing anyway, i dont see the great harm in typing lyrics 05:28 < Merster> it's not hurting anyone, it just gives someone a chance to shit on somebody else 05:28 < Merster> ive never spewed lyrics while another conversation was going on 05:29 < Merster> but i'd like to be here, and if not spewing lyrics to an empty channel is what makes everyone happy, i wont do it 05:30 < Merster> Evilpig: please? 05:51 < Merster> i wont spam lyrics, and that's my word. and a man is only as good as his word. i will not type lyrics. 05:55 <@Evilpig> you're no man. you're a troll. 05:55 < Merster> that's not true 05:56 < Merster> a troll is someone who says shit they dont even believe, to bother other people 05:56 < Merster> i dont do that 05:57 < Merster> and i am a man. i just turned 35 a week ago. 05:57 < Merster> my word is good. if you unban me, i will not type lyrics. i cannot promise not to never express opinions that other people dont like 05:58 < Merster> im an honest man 05:59 < Merster> Evilpig: just tell me now. is there *no* chance I can be unbanned? i'll take off and not take up any more of your time, if so 06:00 < Merster> im coming to you as honest as i possibly can, ive told you i wont spam lyrics, i have no other promises to make 06:01 < Merster> if YOU'RE a man, you'll be straight up with me 06:02 < Merster> either you're willing to give me another chance, or you arent 06:04 < Merster> it's not a trick question, it's not complicated 06:06 <@Evilpig> you're talking to yourself. i'm playing wow, relaxing getting ready to go home from work 06:06 <@Evilpig> you're in here now. that's about as much a change as youre gonna get 06:07 < Merster> but this is a box i rarely log into and it's not convenient. can you unban merc@zeniv? 06:07 < Merster> ill do my best to get along, and i wont type lyrics 06:08 < Merster> bottom line 06:08 < Merster> ill ask again, please? 06:09 < Merster> obviously you reserve the right to put a ban on me again 06:09 < Merster> do me a solid and make it easy for me to get here 06:09 < Merster> please 06:10 < Merster> merc@zeniv wont change my attitude or the promises ive made, it just means i dont have to log in from somewhere else 06:11 < Merster> is that impossible? 06:14 <@Evilpig> alright. i'll take the ban off merc@zeniv 06:14 <@Evilpig> done 06:15 < Merster> 07:14 [freenode] -!- Cannot join to channel #se2600 (You are banned) 06:15 < Merster> might need to manually undo the ban 06:15 <@Evilpig> well I didn't say i'd remove the ban that was on you. I said i'd remove that one 06:16 < Merster> it's merc@zeniv.linux.org.uk 06:17 < Merster> can you remove that one? 06:21 < Merster> come on man, i know you're yanking my chain. very funny :) 06:21 < Merster> what's the risk, if i come off like an asshole, in 12 hours you can ban me again 06:29 < Merster> dude, come on 06:29 < Merster> this is getting old 06:30 < Merster> just say you're not unbanning me, ill get outta here 06:32 < Merster> why cant you be straight with me? ive been straight with you 06:40 < Merster> haha 06:40 < Merster> man, zappa 06:40 < Merster> a prince among men 06:48 < Merster> captain beefheart 06:48 < Merster> dude died about a year ago :( 06:50 < Merster> hmm, december 2010 07:05 < Merster> anyone wanna hear a joke? 07:09 < Merster> old man walks into the dr office, says "doc, i cant pee!" 07:09 < Merster> dr says "how old are you?" old man says "im 90 years old" 07:09 < Merster> dr says "ehh, you've peed enough" 07:26 < Merster> tough crowd 07:34 < Merster> guy walks into the library, asks the librarian for a book on suicide 07:34 < Merster> librarian says "fuck you, you're not gonna return it!" 07:40 < Merster> come on 07:41 < Merster> nothing? 07:42 < Merster> little boy asks his mom "why am i black and you're white?" 07:42 < Merster> mother says "kid, the way i remember that party, you're lucky you dont bark" 07:45 -!- rangerz [~mwalker@c-98-211-44-193.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 07:56 * Bahhumbug sets mode +stfu on Merster 07:57 < Merster> Bahhumbug: you know gary coleman died of multiple aneurisms 07:58 < Merster> Bahhumbug: that's kinda like different strokes 08:01 -!- stowbari [~Stowbari@adsl-99-126-66-164.dsl.akrnoh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 08:08 < Merster> you people are so joyless 08:08 < Merster> i got one more joke for you 08:08 < Merster> know what the american dream is? 08:08 < Merster> the niggers swimming back to africa with a jew under each arm 08:09 < Merster> and imma leave it out on THAT note 08:09 < Merster> PEACE 08:09 -!- Merster [~merc@anhedonia.sammy.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:14 < rangerz> wow.... And here I forgot I was in the south for a minute 08:16 < ZombieChicken> I guess sometimes trolls need to remind people why others hate them 08:17 <@Sheath> Besides smelling with their nose, cats can smell with an additional organ called the Jacobson's organ, located in the upper surface of the mouth. 08:24 < ZombieChicken> The More You Know (TM) 09:02 -!- stowbari [~Stowbari@adsl-99-126-66-164.dsl.akrnoh.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:04 -!- stowbari [~Stowbari@adsl-99-126-66-164.dsl.akrnoh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 10:39 -!- scribbles [s@unaffiliated/scribbles] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:46 -!- scribbles [s@addictedto.info] has joined #se2600 10:52 -!- scribbles [s@addictedto.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:00 -!- scribbles [s@addictedto.info] has joined #se2600 11:21 -!- scribbles [s@addictedto.info] has quit [Quit: brb] 11:29 -!- scribbles [s@addictedto.info] has joined #se2600 11:55 <@Dagmar> yeah I'll be banning his ass on sight from now on 11:58 <@Dagmar> s/excepted/expected/ and yes 12:20 <@Corydon76-home> Jesus. He was in here for a couple hours and there was more verbal diarrhea than we had for the past 60 days 12:21 <@brimstone> oh hey, Mercster's back 12:21 <@Dagmar> Not really 12:22 -!- mode/#se2600 [+b *!*@*sammy.net] by brimstone 12:24 <@Dagmar> Just put a few auto-shit directives in my client 13:16 -!- RedDingDawn [~Karl@cpe-174-102-31-167.woh.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:23 -!- sdodson [~sdodson@serenity.ninjr.org] has joined #se2600 13:23 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sdodson] by ChanServ 14:06 < eryc> heh 14:06 < eryc> sdodson: whats new 14:12 <@sdodson> eryc: not a lot, working hard, playing hard 14:14 <@Dickie> AW, I missed Mercster 14:14 <@Dickie> Love that guy 14:34 <@timoguin> i liked the joked 14:34 <@timoguin> *jokes 16:02 <@Bahhumbug> If we're lucky he gets all depressed and kills himself. 16:55 -!- sync350 [~sync@adsl-184-36-114-78.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 17:16 <@Dagmar> lol http://www.elephantjournal.com/2012/01/coolest-dad-ever/ 17:16 <@Dagmar> I never realized you can pretty much play that with kids' toys 17:17 < rangerz> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120127/17433217576/senator-ron-wydens-favorite-techdirt-posts-week.shtml 17:17 < rangerz> good to see a senator who reads a tech site 17:22 < rangerz> kekeke, glad to see a judge hasn't lost his sense of irony http://righthaven.com/ 17:23 < rangerz> ohh... less great... was just a repo purchase, but still, +1 for Internet irony 18:56 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: just fyi. susan is skydick's ex-wife 19:09 -!- RedDingDawn_m [~yaaic@33.sub-174-255-65.myvzw.com] has joined #se2600 19:11 < rangerz> Evilpig: .... 19:11 < rangerz> your last comment makes me a little worried 19:11 -!- sync350 [~sync@adsl-184-36-114-78.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:21 -!- RedDingDawn_m [~yaaic@33.sub-174-255-65.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org] 19:26 <@Evilpig> which comment? 19:26 < rangerz> about skydog's ex wife 19:27 < rangerz> i have NO clue what the context of that is... and i'm pretty sure I don't want to unless it is in the past tense and didn't break any laws 19:27 <@Evilpig> susan is okay. 19:28 <@Corydon76-home> From what I hear, Susan is pretty sane 19:28 <@Evilpig> for the most part. she has quirks when it comes to skydick. most of those are she doesn't like to see him in a bad light cause of greg. 19:32 <@Corydon76-home> So, she's opposed to SDC? 19:33 <@Evilpig> she's opposed to my mocking of it, yes 19:33 <@Corydon76-home> Heh 19:33 <@Evilpig> this was her message to me this morning on the topic. "I think a lot of you, Wilbur, and I KNOW you have better things to do with your time. I'd love to see you walk away and make your own mark." 19:33 <@Corydon76-home> Shut it down, and there's nothing to mock. 19:34 <@Evilpig> this was my response. "I would just walk away and Dolemite and the rest are almost demanding it as well. I've taken his nonsense as a personal insult and will accept nothing less than a full formal, public apology from him and since I know he won't ever do it. I'll mock and pick at him until he snaps." 19:35 < rangerz> problem with your logic is assuming he isn't a sociopath 19:35 < rangerz> and that he has feelings 19:35 <@Evilpig> he is a sociopath 19:35 <@Evilpig> he doesn't have feelings though. 19:35 < rangerz> so therefore you will never be able to make him snap 19:35 <@Corydon76-home> Sociopaths do have feelings. They are motivated by revenge. 19:35 < rangerz> so you are just wasting your efforts 19:35 < rangerz> not true 19:36 <@Corydon76-home> Sociopathy is about a lack of empathy, not a lack of feelings 19:36 <@Evilpig> rangerz: dude... trust me. he's ready to snap. i've been telling the people in here that I expect him to eventually come into the NOC and come after me 19:37 < rangerz> Corydon76-home: perhaps i'm just splitting hairs, so i'll just say you're right, my point was more nuanced and I don't feel like going too deep into it atm 19:37 < rangerz> lazy ftw 19:37 <@Evilpig> god damn you SMF devs. fuck! use {} around IF's for fucks sake 19:38 <@Corydon76-home> rangerz: Oh, I'm fairly sure he has feelings. He wouldn't be motivated by revenge without them 19:39 < rangerz> from my experience with 3 real sociopaths (volunteer work), their emotions are never as simple as that 19:39 < rangerz> they often are making 'logical' decisions, that we just don't understand 19:40 < rangerz> like one said that it was justifiabe to kill a butcher to steal a loaf of bread if you were hungry 19:40 < rangerz> wrote a full essay on it in middle school 19:40 <@Corydon76-home> Sure, if you assume that the universe revolves around them, and nobody else matters, then everything they do is logical 19:40 < rangerz> he couldn't understand why it wasn't ok, he just finally gave up and wrote another essay 19:41 <@Evilpig> god I hate devs that do this shit. it makes the code so hard to decipher. ugh 19:41 < rangerz> standard practices 19:42 <@Evilpig> it doesn't help that the php manual has it listed three ways as well. 19:42 <@Corydon76-home> rangerz: that's also typical of juveniles raised in free market households 19:42 < rangerz> when i would tutor (we'll just call it CS 101) , the first thing i would teach is to ALWAYS put {}s around code blocks 19:42 < rangerz> and i would explain why, by showing them code with it, and then indenting code wrongly, and showing how it is misleading 19:43 <@Corydon76-home> Over time, the code guidelines for Asterisk have evolved to mandate them in all cases 19:43 < rangerz> free market households? 19:43 <@Corydon76-home> rangerz: people with sociopaths for fathers 19:43 <@Corydon76-home> Senior executives, for one 19:44 <@Corydon76-home> Sociopaths and successful executives act in similar ways... a wonton disregard for the welfare of others 19:46 < rangerz> well when you have entire "news" channels dedicated to that philosophy 19:47 < rangerz> i was looking at some statistics, and we _are_ becomnig a blue/red "area" nation 19:47 <@Corydon76-home> I've said before that the way SD manages makes perfect sense if he's running a for-profit business and pays all his people 19:47 <@Corydon76-home> It makes utterly no sense in an all-volunteer organization 19:47 <@Evilpig> now he's running a for profit business where he doesn't pay anyone but himself. ;) 19:48 <@Corydon76-home> I think I've heard of that model before... uh... Interzone? 19:48 < rangerz> apparently like minded people move to the same regions, and with a 80%(os something like that) accuracy they can tell who you will vote for based on your zip code 19:48 < rangerz> I'm from one of the Democratic strongholds in a otherwise republican state of Ohio 19:49 <@Corydon76-home> I know my zipcode is pretty well mixed, based upon the campaign yard signs in the past several elections 19:49 < rangerz> Cleveland and Youngstown and their surrounding areas are highly democratic, where as dayton/cinci are very republican 19:50 < rangerz> part of that is ethnic (high black vs other parts of the state) , but ytown and ohio have the same % of race/etc as the rest of the nation, which is kinda odd... but ehh 19:50 < rangerz> cleveland just has a huge black population 19:51 < rangerz> Just look at the comment from family guy "America is great, excpet for the south" 19:51 <@Corydon76-home> What amazes me are the number of gay kids in TN who are completely pro-Republican 19:51 < rangerz> the republican party is dead 19:51 < rangerz> it should be forced to rename itself the Neo-Conservative party 19:52 < rangerz> if Lincoln and Roosevelt republicans still exist, I might be one myself 19:52 < rangerz> but after the 1964 civil rights act, the dixicrats joined the republican party 19:53 < rangerz> and the current state of affairs was founded 19:53 <@Corydon76-home> Yep 19:54 < rangerz> I laugh when people down here cringe when i tell them i am a democrat, lol 19:54 <@Evilpig> there we go. found it. 19:54 <@Corydon76-home> But it's extremely worrisome how people will vote against their own futures 19:54 < rangerz> not so much at vandy, but still 19:55 <@Corydon76-home> A complete lack of logic about which platform is going to be better for them 19:56 < rangerz> as a white male, sadly the only thing I can say about race without getting dirty looks is that most of the division is in the US is about 30% of whites still being racist, and religious POVs 19:57 < rangerz> the problem is that the republicans used abortion and gay rights as wedge issues VERY effectively 19:57 < rangerz> if they didn't have those , then the republican party would be a joke at 25% or less 19:58 <@Corydon76-home> Yep, I've compared riling up the racist, sexist, and homophobic votes as effectively the same level of evil as providing young children to pedophiles 19:58 < rangerz> no... 19:58 < rangerz> thats taking it too far 19:58 < rangerz> it is bad, but it isn't like they KNOW they are doing bad 19:58 <@Corydon76-home> Inciting hatred isn't? 19:59 <@Corydon76-home> Oh, I think that they do know, along with their false indignation when somebody accuses them of being racist 19:59 < rangerz> look... if i convince you that your everlasting soul is up for stake if you don't teach your children to "cure" the gays 19:59 <@Corydon76-home> Just look at Santorum and his comment about "blah" people 20:00 < rangerz> santorum is from western PA 20:00 < rangerz> "pensultucky" 20:00 <@Corydon76-home> He knows damn well that that comment was intended to provoke racism 20:00 < rangerz> he said black 3/4 of the way 20:00 < rangerz> and then stopped himself 20:00 < rangerz> b/c he wasn't in a private room 20:00 < scribbles> religion is a key problem here. 20:01 < rangerz> fuck... look at the mormons 20:01 < rangerz> anyone darker than an Irish ,is inherently evil 20:01 < rangerz> Evilpig: you're safe 20:01 < rangerz> though... i think they changed that sometime in the 70s or 80s 20:02 <@Corydon76-home> And the only reason Mitt isn't doing better is because Southern evangelicals won't vote for him, because they don't think he's Christian enough 20:02 < rangerz> along with the magic underwear 20:02 < rangerz> b/c he IS NOT christian 20:02 < rangerz> i take a _very_ liberal definition of that term, and mormons aren't 20:02 <@Corydon76-home> That's splitting hairs 20:03 <@Corydon76-home> Well, I suppose in the same way as considering Muslims not Christian 20:03 < rangerz> i include catholics and all their splinter branches, anlong with everyhting else from prodistant/evangelical 20:03 < scribbles> Mormonism is new, remember its only authentic if sheep herders 2000 years ago made it up 20:03 < scribbles> time is the key here 20:03 <@Corydon76-home> yet Muslims believe in all the same religious texts as Christians... plus one of their own 20:03 < rangerz> but mornmons aren't based off the jeudaio christian tradition 20:03 < rangerz> ehh... ranting.... 20:03 < scribbles> judeo* 20:03 <@Corydon76-home> The 3 prophets of Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed 20:03 < rangerz> ugh, yeah 20:04 < rangerz> fucking keyboard, did a drivers update, and shit is lagging 20:04 < rangerz> so edits just make things worse some times 20:05 < rangerz> personally no law should be legal if it is based on solely religious basis 20:05 < rangerz> but the thing is, almost none of our laws are, except marriage 20:05 < rangerz> i think the govt should get out of marriage completely and just have civil unions from the state 20:05 <@Corydon76-home> Well, and a few state laws in the south 20:05 < rangerz> and then people can get "married" in any way they want, if they want 20:05 <@Corydon76-home> like mandating banks remain closed on Sunday 20:06 <@Corydon76-home> Or not selling alcohol on Sundays 20:06 < rangerz> seriousllllllly 20:06 < scribbles> churches need to pay taxes 20:06 < scribbles> Kroger does more than most churches when it comes to charity yet they pay taxes 20:06 < scribbles> the charity crutch is long gone. 20:07 < rangerz> scribbles: I would agree with you, though surprisingly catholic charrities does do a LOT 20:07 < scribbles> see, it comes full circle. people's beliefs in things bearing no evidence continues to be a problem for us. 20:07 < scribbles> rangerz: that means nothing. 20:08 < scribbles> it barely makes up for encouraging people to believe in things without evidence, that holds back both science and society 20:08 < rangerz> actually it does, it disproves our blanket statement about churches, but i agree with you on the principle, just not the underlying facts that you stated, bill and malinda gates have personally funded the aids/malaria NGO by like 35% 20:08 < scribbles> they're also tax paying atheists 20:09 <@Corydon76-home> They also fund an organization responsible for getting creation science taught in schools 20:09 < scribbles> the churches don't pay taxes and scare kids into thinking they're going ot hell 20:09 <@Corydon76-home> (Discovery Institute) 20:09 < rangerz> scribbles: again, Historically you are correct, but the modern (since pope JP2) has been very pro science, pro-evolutin, pro big bang, saying the bible is just a book of moral stories 20:09 < rangerz> i don't agree with them on gay issues, but I'm not a member, so ehh 20:10 < scribbles> rangerz: i'm glad you bring that up. the church of england to stop the bloodletting from all of their members disappearing into nonreligious states of being, came out and said GOD CAN BE ANYTHING YOU WANT IT TO BE, ITS NOT LITERABL 20:10 < scribbles> they are willing to change what they believe in in order to maintain the business. 20:10 < scribbles> it shows how HUMAN the entire fantasy is 20:10 < scribbles> its a business and they're changing with the times because money is real 20:10 < scribbles> their god is not. 20:11 < rangerz> i'm not an aboslutist like you 20:11 < rangerz> I don't talk much about it, but I'm a Deist 20:11 < scribbles> that much is obvious. 20:11 <@Corydon76-home> I'm a secular humanist 20:11 < scribbles> Corydon76-home: ^5. 20:12 <@Corydon76-home> Or a humanist, at any rate. Secular makes more sense to me right now 20:13 < rangerz> I prefer the simple beauty of the Deist stance, basically agnostic, but believe there probably is something, but it doesn't matter since we'd never understand it, just accept the hands off- "clock maker" god 20:13 < rangerz> non-interventionalist god 20:13 < scribbles> rangerz: the idea that would you even talk about the idea of catholic charity blows my mind. they are sitting on enough cash and assets to feed the planet for the forseeable future, to do wild unimaginable acts of charity. but they don't. 20:13 <@Corydon76-home> I think that begs the question 20:13 < scribbles> rangerz: You should view The Blind Watchmaker 20:13 < rangerz> scribbles: thats not so true 20:13 < rangerz> catholic church isn't as well off as it is said to be 20:13 < rangerz> almost all of it's assests are in land holdings 20:13 < scribbles> oh well clearly that makes up for their lack of effort. 20:14 <@Corydon76-home> If something is beyond our eventual understanding, as opposed to just not understandable now, it's like suggesting that it's impossible for us to find the Higgs-Boson 20:14 <@Corydon76-home> "so why even try?" 20:14 < scribbles> rangerz: the probably is something stance, is intellectually weak. there's a name for the idea and its called the god of the gaps. 20:14 < scribbles> you believe god exists in whatever science is incapable of explaining 20:15 < scribbles> 2000 years ago it was the sun. 20:15 < rangerz> also after long though on this issue, there has to be a seperation from the "wtf-ness" of their teachings, and the people who follow it 20:15 <@Corydon76-home> The Incredible Shrinking God 20:16 < rangerz> I don't blame people who have been brainwashed to believe what they were told, or even those who are teaching it, b/c most likely they were brain washed to do so 20:16 < scribbles> no, no, we should include that. any cult that actively tells a child that the man in the jeweled robe who mommy gives money to is TRULY turning this bread into the flesh of a long dead jew and the blood of the man, and we are all going to line up and partake in teh transformed material 20:16 < scribbles> that comes from a very deranged mindset 20:16 < scribbles> it shows how much no one questions the absolute absurdity of what happens in religious meetings 20:16 < rangerz> yes, but you can't be upset at the person for believing that way 20:16 < scribbles> that person has chosen to turn a blind eye to reason and evidence. 20:16 < scribbles> I believe that I can. 20:16 < rangerz> you have to understand that to them , it is natural to think that way, and then educate them 20:17 < ZombieChicken> Communion is a symbolic act. I'd like to see some proof that people are telling kids that is actually is cannibalism 20:17 <@Corydon76-home> rangerz: I agree with the logic of trying to educate 20:17 < rangerz> you'll never convince people with that means, and i have educated several people on the logical issues of their religion 20:17 < ZombieChicken> s/that is/that is 20:17 < ZombieChicken> damn I can't type tonight 20:17 <@Corydon76-home> ZombieChicken: You can tell children about any boogeyman to quash their curiosity 20:18 < scribbles> The Fourth Council of the Lateran, which convened beginning November 11, 1215,[6] spoke of the bread and wine as "transubstantiated" into the body and blood of Christ: "His body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the forms of bread and wine, the bread and wine having been transubstantiated, by God's power, into his body and blood".[7] 20:18 < scribbles> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transubstantiation 20:18 < ZombieChicken> Corydon76-home: that has nothing to do with what I said 20:18 <@Corydon76-home> Communism, like libertarianism, initially appeals to people until you explain the pitfalls 20:18 < scribbles> as religion begins to die, they are going to thrash about and try to become more liberal 20:18 < scribbles> to maintain their income 20:18 < scribbles> we see this in "video game" ministry 20:18 < scribbles> and the "cool" modern churches 20:19 < scribbles> when they were in power they were brutal dictators 20:19 < scribbles> and will do anything for you to forget that. 20:19 <@Corydon76-home> Oddly enough, the pitfalls of Communism are exactly the same as the pitfalls for libertarianism 20:19 < rangerz> scribbles: i disagree with your arguement, I believe it has more to do with human nature, than it does with profits, people generally want to follow something 20:19 < rangerz> atleast a majority of people do 20:19 <@Corydon76-home> There are always going to be people who will try to game the system, and if the number is sizeable enough, it will destroy the system from within 20:19 < scribbles> rangerz: we as a species have come far enough to understand that education and science is what we need to follow, i no longer need to perform a rain dance for my crops. 20:19 < rangerz> religion is becoming more militaristant in the US because the single largest minority in the us is now Athiest/agnostic 20:20 < rangerz> they feel that their way of life, that thier "soul" is threatened 20:20 < scribbles> According to a comprehensive national survey released this week by the Program on Public Values at Trinity College, those identifying with no religious tradition, or as atheists or agnostics, account for 15 percent of the population, up from about 8 percent in 1990. "No religion" Americans are the only religious demographic that's growing in every single state. 20:20 < rangerz> but the problem is that they feel their children's are also at risk, so they even more feverently brainwash their children 20:20 < scribbles> that was in 2009 20:20 < rangerz> the % i heard was 17% 20:20 < rangerz> but w/e 20:21 < scribbles> blacks are only 12.2% 20:21 < scribbles> as of the 2010 census 20:21 < scribbles> so you can also take that nonsense home. 20:21 < ZombieChicken> Let me see if I understand something here 20:21 < ZombieChicken> No proof means that something does not exist? 20:21 < rangerz> no 20:22 < rangerz> that is a logical failure 20:22 < scribbles> ^ 20:22 < rangerz> proof = something exists, no proof = no proof 20:22 < rangerz> what if I ask you to prove to me that you haven't ever killed someone 20:22 < rangerz> very hard 20:22 < rangerz> now if I ask you to prove that you HAVE killed someone, you could just show me the corpse 20:22 < rangerz> etc 20:23 * Evilpig looks in the corner 20:23 < ZombieChicken> I'm also curious why people both with these discussions. No one has any proof they are right 20:23 <@Evilpig> What have you heard? 20:23 < rangerz> that you hide your gay porn in the corner 20:23 < scribbles> ZombieChicken: again, logical fallacy. 20:23 < rangerz> ZombieChicken: we don't use "facts" and "proof" here in the US 20:24 < rangerz> if we did, then "supply side" economics would be a laughing stock 20:24 < ZombieChicken> scribbles: do explain 20:24 < rangerz> the GAO and the CBO both say that demand side economics is what works 20:24 <@Corydon76-home> I don't have proof that unicorns and dragons don't exist, either, yet I am perfectly reasonable in presuming that they do not exist because of the lack of evidence. 20:25 < scribbles> an atheist seeks to prove nothing, it is not a belief or faith, it is an absence of belief 20:25 < scribbles> same with agnostics 20:25 < ZombieChicken> Corydon76-home: No proof means it doesn't exist. I got ya 20:25 < rangerz> no, no proof means we are "fairly certain" it doesn't exist 20:25 < rangerz> but that is why agnostic exists 20:25 < scribbles> the logical black hole that ZombieChicken just opened up 20:25 < scribbles> .... 20:25 < rangerz> "it is unproovable, so it isnt worth debating" 20:26 <@Evilpig> using your theory rangerz. none of you have any proof that I have a dick, therefore i'm a woman. 20:26 <@Corydon76-home> So I am agnostic about unicorns and dragons? 20:26 < rangerz> sadly... Dagmar does have proof 20:26 < ZombieChicken> We don't have proof you aren't a bot, either Evilpig 20:26 < scribbles> Evilpig: i've seen your legs, i'm fairly sure you have a penis. 20:26 < ZombieChicken> at least I don't 20:26 <@Evilpig> but you have no proof. I could be from france 20:27 <@Corydon76-home> Evilpig: I have no proof that you have a vagina, either 20:27 < rangerz> again...."it is unproovable(because of our concern for our eyes and memory, so it isnt worth debating" 20:27 <@Corydon76-home> But proof does exist. I'm fairly certain that your parents have seen your penis 20:28 < rangerz> no, i was adopted 20:28 < rangerz> at birth, neither ever saw me 20:28 < scribbles> concern for eyes and memory? thats disturbing. 20:28 < rangerz> actually I wasn't, just being a dick 20:28 < rangerz> but anyways 20:28 < ZombieChicken> failing eyesight and failing memory is what he was refering to I imagine 20:28 <@Corydon76-home> Your parents or your doctor, and probably more than a few women 20:29 < scribbles> well now thats just being generous ;D 20:29 < rangerz> i have to give you props for atleast not calling me gay, lol 20:29 <@Evilpig> there we just saw your dick. lololool 20:29 <@Evilpig> I give up. I should have slept more this afternoon 20:29 <@Corydon76-home> rangerz: Doesn't matter much to me, I already have a life partner 20:30 <@Corydon76-home> If you care, though, you're very attractive. 20:30 * rangerz bows 20:30 < rangerz> thank you fine lady 20:31 <@Evilpig> be careful as to which direction you are bowing 20:31 < rangerz> i won't be telling my g/f about ths convo, b/c she would start to hate this entire room by proxy 20:31 < rangerz> lol 20:31 < rangerz> ok, i'm off to the movies 20:31 < rangerz> later 20:32 < scribbles> i don't even know how to respond to that 20:33 < scribbles> that just put the SE in SE2600 20:33 <@Corydon76-home> rangerz: what, that a gay guy found you attractive? 20:33 <@Corydon76-home> As I said, it makes no difference to me 20:34 < scribbles> also, rangerz has a gf everyone. 20:34 < ZombieChicken> Good for him 20:34 < rangerz> though.... there can be a valid argument made for being a militant athiest. See: neil degrasse tyson and richar dawkings talking to the Acadmy of sciences about how we need the scientists to fight against religious anti-science rhetoric 20:35 < rangerz> actually i though Corydon76-home was a female, but makes no difference to me either way 20:35 < scribbles> rangerz: not just an argument. society has a dire need for it. 20:35 < rangerz> i have gay friends 20:35 <@Corydon76-home> Heh 20:36 < rangerz> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/396073_316995981654253_139804622706724_1110127_1224011336_n.jpg 20:37 < rangerz> for "The Dr." fans 20:37 < rangerz> alright, later 20:37 <@Corydon76-home> Later 20:37 < scribbles> http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/398002_2955386330911_1449054949_32829611_1849790498_n.jpg 20:49 < rangerz> the saddest part of that is mohammed was against poligomy, but the first peoples he took over as leader, had unlimmited wives, so he had to settle it down to 4, so as to be their leader, and to in the future get it down to 1 (which he never did) ( I know wives below 13 are suppose to be "Spirital wives", but we see how well that works in the fundy mormons) 20:52 < ZombieChicken> "Spiritual wives"? wtf is that supposed to be? 20:53 -!- Sheath [~Smegma@unaffiliated/coil] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:53 < rangerz> platonic 20:53 < rangerz> until pberty 20:53 < rangerz> puberty* 20:53 < ZombieChicken> So basically some dude just called dibs 20:54 -!- Sheath [~Smegma@unaffiliated/coil] has joined #se2600 20:54 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Sheath] by ChanServ 20:55 < rangerz> yeah... 21:35 -!- rangerz [~mwalker@c-98-211-44-193.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:46 <@Dagmar> http://imgur.com/gallery/DQnIk 22:46 <@Dagmar> It exists. 22:47 * Dagmar slaps Amazon with a debit card. 22:48 <@Dagmar> Available in 32Gb 22:49 <@brimstone> so old 22:49 <@brimstone> neat though 22:49 <@Dagmar> This is me not caring. 22:50 <@brimstone> was only in 4GB when i last saw it 22:50 <@Dagmar> If it didnt come in 32gb it would be necessary to conver tone 22:50 < eryc> link for the 32gb? 22:51 <@Dagmar> http://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Ravage-Flash-Memory-Thumb/dp/B0050LCAEI/ref=sr_1_1?m=AK6DBROI2ZK1D&ie=UTF8&qid=1327812630&sr=1-1 22:51 <@Evilpig> lol 22:53 < eryc> you gettin it? 22:54 <@Dagmar> I'm giving it to myself for my birthday 22:54 <@Dagmar> I just needed a better justification than "OMG" 22:55 <@Dagmar> After I read the other reviews 22:55 <@Dagmar> I have no problems with gutting one and replacing it's internals with something that doesn't suck 22:55 <@Dagmar> s/it's/its/ 22:58 < eryc> http://usb-taiwan.en.made-in-china.com/product/hMpxsAWGaXct/China-Transformer-USB-Flash-Stick-USB-PA068-.html 22:58 < eryc> $10 from china 22:59 < eryc> they have a cheetah too http://sell.lulusoso.com/selling-leads/233098/2011-Best-New-Transformers-USB-flash-drive-Ravage-USB-flash-drive-Machine-dog-1G-16G.html 22:59 <@brimstone> Minimum Order: 50 Pieces 22:59 <@Dagmar> Yeah I don't need 50 of them 22:59 <@brimstone> ebay them? 22:59 <@Dagmar> Not if I'll have to gut them 23:12 < eryc> the speed suck or something? 23:12 < eryc> may as well get the 1gb and replace it with 32 23:14 <@brimstone> or 64 23:15 < eryc> i didnt know they had 64 23:17 <@brimstone> i have a 64GB thumbdrive, over a year old 23:17 <@brimstone> there's much bigger out now too 23:17 <@brimstone> but it's physically bigger too i'm sure 23:18 <@Dagmar> Interesting. 23:18 <@Dagmar> The Android Market has decided I speak Russian 23:20 < eryc> i bought the 4gb cat 23:21 < eryc> now i just need a cheap 64gb stick to replace it with 23:21 <@Dickie> My cat only holds 2gb, and he's not happy about it. 23:21 <@Dickie> I'm hilarious! 23:21 <@Dickie> ...sorry. I'm sleepy. 23:22 <@brimstone> i had a co-worker who had a mastif that held many gigs, in microSD cards 23:24 < eryc> brimstone: where is cheap 64gb 23:27 <@brimstone> apparently china 23:28 < eryc> ima swap the cat with a free flash drive.. see how that goes, then buy one of these $100 64giggers 23:55 <@Evilpig> if you have a microsd I recommend this thing I have that turns it into a tiny thumbdrive 23:55 <@Evilpig> Elago mobile nano ii 23:56 <@Evilpig> http://www.amazon.com/elago-Mobile-microSDHC-Memory-Reader/dp/B002HGFKR8 23:59 <@brimstone> i have one of those 23:59 < eryc> thats pretty neat --- Log closed Sun Jan 29 00:00:00 2012