--- Log opened Thu Jan 05 00:00:48 2012
01:05 <@Evilpig> alright.  all comcast denizens.  Look at your internet bill this month.  I have an extra $7 charge on there they are calling an equipment fee.  my contract has no equipment fee.  I have it right here.
01:08 < rangerz> i've had that for a while
01:08 < rangerz> but mine is b/c i have the HD dvr unit
01:09 < rangerz> but i'll look
01:12 <@Evilpig> this is just my business internet
01:12 <@Evilpig> I've checked my last 12 bills and none have it
01:13 <@Evilpig> Internet Service 01/05 - 02/04 59.95
01:13 <@Evilpig> Performance
01:13 <@Evilpig> Additional BC IPs 01/05 - 02/04 5.00
01:14 <@Evilpig> Equipment Fee 01/05 - 02/04 7.00
01:15 <@Evilpig> I tried calling tongiht but of course the billing dept is closed
01:15 <@Evilpig> so I'll be calling 1st thing in the morning
01:15 <@Dagmar> wtf
01:16 <@Dagmar> You're getting buisness class and static IPs for $60/month?
01:16 <@Evilpig> yup
01:16 <@Dagmar> Who did you blow?
01:16 <@Evilpig> nobody.  that's the bottom tier
01:17 <@brimstone> what's the speed on it?
01:17 <@Dagmar> Mother... fuckers.
01:17 <@Evilpig> 10 down 2 up
01:17 <@brimstone> nice
01:17 <@brimstone> i should ask about switching then
01:17 <@Dagmar> Me and Comcast are going to have a fucking talk REAL soon
01:17 <@Dagmar> I'm paying the fucking same
01:17 <@Evilpig> business and residential are the same price.  except business doesn't have the dta cap
01:17 <@Dagmar> ETF
01:18 <@Dagmar> Fucking ridiculous
01:18 <@Dagmar> Not one fucking time have they _ever_ mentioned that to me
01:18 <@brimstone> i'm only getting 6/1 and paying $70+ for it
01:18 <@Dagmar> I'm getting "whatever the fuck" residential
01:19 <@Dagmar> I should call Comcast right now, just to say "What.  The.  Fuck." and hang up
01:20 <@Evilpig> I plan on asking why by bill says thanks for being a comcast customer and not simple "bend over fuckbag"
01:20 <@Dagmar> The last time I looked their buisness class shit was over $100/month
01:20 <@Dagmar> Dude I have been paying this shit for YEARS
01:21 <@Dagmar> If you don't have any of their equipment, they'll take that charge off and fix it I'm sure
01:21 <@Dagmar> But fuck...
01:21 <@Dagmar> I wish I'd known they changed their buisness priving
01:21 <@Dagmar> er pricing
01:22 <@Evilpig> I swear I said it in here three years ago when I signed up for the service
01:22 <@Dagmar> That's a capital F, a hyphen, and a whole shitton of capital U's right there
01:24 <@Evilpig> in any case.... https://plus.google.com/105453543892591957012/posts/jUozXbPyEWo#105453543892591957012/posts/jUozXbPyEWo
01:28 <@Dagmar> well, rest assured I'll consider giving them a little crap about it if they stuck a $7 charge on my stuff for equipment i don't have
01:28 <@Dagmar> I'm still astonished they're doing a surcharge for giving me an HD signal for a digital cable product
01:29 <@Dagmar> Yeah me and them are going to have a serious talk that shit and some IPv6 action next week
01:30 <@brimstone> yeah, what was up with that?
01:30 <@brimstone> they did a trial in the summer, then turned it all back off?
01:31 <@Dagmar> Dunno.  I've been paying for HD because I might as fucking well with a 42" 1080 TV
01:41 <@Dagmar> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1687527932.png
01:41 <@Dagmar> Of course, all that goes right out the fucking window once the window of "SpeedBoost" is over
01:42 <@Dagmar> Also, I have _never_ seen it actually do anything approaching 4M/s upload
01:43 <@brimstone> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1687530021.png
01:43 <@brimstone> but more like 1 up
01:43 <@Evilpig> lemme remote to the house and see what I am getting
01:44 <@brimstone> swing that epeen
01:44 <@Dagmar> In theory, his will be 12 and 2
01:44 <@Evilpig> it will clock in close to both of yours
01:44 <@Dagmar> I can assure that pretty much both those numbers on mine were bullshit
01:45 <@Dagmar> From Steam's servers I might see 2Mb/s
01:45 <@Dagmar> Pushing up, nowhere close to even 1
01:45 <@Evilpig> I know I can pull 10Mb cause I have seen it while torrenting
01:45 <@Evilpig> how I also know my up cap is 2Mb
01:45 <@Dagmar> I have done scps from the house to my netbook plugged into the wired network
01:45 <@Evilpig> this speed test is full of shit
01:46 <@Evilpig> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1687533479.png
01:46 <@Dagmar> evilpig: Keep in mind they do QoS
01:46 <@Dagmar> You have to have a session last longer than 10Mb traffic and it starts throttling
01:46 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: my torrents are encrypted on weird ports for that test
01:47 <@Evilpig> http://blueboy.wilpig.org/mrtg/127.0.0.1_eth0.html
01:47 <@Dagmar> Yeah and you probably get a pretty respectable speed until any one hits 10Mb
01:47 <@Evilpig> that's mrtg for the last year+ on my external interface
01:47 <@Dagmar> Speedtest doesn't transfer more than 10Mb in a chunk during the test
01:48 <@Dagmar> afaik this is why it reports really high numbers when the normal performance isn't that
01:48 <@Evilpig> give me a sec.  i'll hit up my torrent site and get something popular that should make some traffic
01:49 <@Dagmar> Keep in mind this is the same company that would probably raise profit margins by deciding that you only get red and blue for free, and the green part of the signal needs a premium upcharge
01:49 <@Dagmar> ...just because nothing in the contract explicitly said anything about a _full color_ signal, just a color signal
01:49 < rangerz> dagmar comcast's price is based on your addess
01:50 < rangerz> go to their website and try quotes for different addresses if you are curious
01:51 <@Dagmar> Wouldn't suprise me
01:51 < rangerz> i have 15/3mbps, phone, and HDTV with pretty much every channel for 110/month
01:51 < rangerz> but thats an intro 1yr rate
01:52 <@Dagmar> That's what I'm paying for no phone and "enough" channels.
01:52 <@Dagmar> Like I would let them install a phone
01:52 < rangerz> honestly, it isn't bad
01:52 <@Evilpig> okay it's download and I am already getting crazy lag on my putty session
01:52 < rangerz> since i don't have a home phone otherwire
01:52 <@Evilpig> 895.2/KB/s
01:52 <@Evilpig> 1.4MB/s
01:52 <@Dagmar> Not unless it was VOIP device friendly would I ever consider it
01:53 <@Dagmar> I have a cell phone
01:53 <@Evilpig> 1.5MB/s and that should be my top end
01:56 <@Dagmar> About as much as I've ever seen here.
01:57 <@Evilpig> http://i.imgur.com/DIlKf.png
01:57 <@Evilpig> ugh.  that needs to finish.  this type lag is horrible
01:58 < rangerz> i get 3.5MBps sometimes , but i don't think there are that many people with internet in this apartment complex
01:58 < rangerz> lol
01:58 <@Dagmar> I gotta get around to trimming and reencoding the recording I got of the Christmas episode
01:58 <@Dagmar> Finally 1080
01:58 <@Evilpig> there are ton in mine.  god you should see all of the APs
01:59 <@Dagmar> Ten within range of my place
01:59 <@Evilpig> which reminds me I need to talk to mirage about that Firewall he built and get the hardware info
01:59 <@Dagmar> A couple _hundred_ between here and the interstate
02:00 <@Dagmar> Home APs are really goddamn common now
02:00 <@Evilpig> I want to rebuild my firewall and add in a new vlan for a captive portal for an open AP with some packet logging going on it
02:00 <@Dagmar> From rolling around here it's easily 40% adoption rate
02:02 <@Evilpig> ahhh sweet sweet ping time back to normal
02:03 <@Evilpig> I forget what I was downloading / uploading a few months back but I kept it maxed on one or the other for nearly a week and a half
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02:18 < rangerz> is it sad that one of the things i look forward to most near the end of the year is a freeleach on a tracker i use , lol
02:22 <@Evilpig> heh.  I think we have a freeleech coming up or just had one
03:32 <@Evilpig> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAO4EVMlpwM
04:30 < rangerz> yeah, thats a goodie, plus i love how blue ribbon is the "Sponsor" and i was seeing a bunch of billboards for that down here
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07:01 <@Evilpig> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLfKlZUtzSo#t=200
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14:59 <@Dagmar> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/04/police-kill-armed-8thgrad_n_1183517.html?ncid=webmail13
14:59 <@Dagmar> I wager we will never see a picture of the pellet gun this kid had
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15:00 <@Dagmar> ...because it would really look bad that two cops murdered an eight-year-old holding a bright green toy pistol
15:05 <@Bahhumbug> You might see something like a picture with the caption: "The child was brandishing a weapon similar to this." with the only similarity is the fact that they both are in the rough shape of a gun.
15:06 < eryc> i'd like to know what he yelled
15:06 < eryc> "fuck you pigs" i'm guessing
15:08 <@Dagmar> We're talking about a kid almost any adult would be able to boot stomp into the floor.
15:08 <@Dagmar> Probably holding a bright green pellet gun
15:09 <@Dagmar> I find it noteworthy that nowhere does it say the cops in question are suprised that it wasn't a real gun
15:10 <@Bahhumbug> This is just going to stir up the trolls.... But I can see both sides of this argument.
15:11 <@Bahhumbug> I am truly sorry that a child was killed.
15:11 <@Bahhumbug> But any child that age knows that a gun should not be pointed at law enforcement.
15:11 <@Bahhumbug> And _ALL_ kids have had it drilled into their heads not to bring weapons (or anything that looks like one) to school.
15:13 <@Bahhumbug> And uttering the phrase "I'm going to kill everyone." or whatever he actually did say didn't make matters any better.
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15:38 <@Dagmar> Yeah but kids tend to be a bit more reasonable about things because they haven't had the intelligence beaten out of them yet
15:38 <@Dagmar> A kid would never decide a bright green plastic toy was a serious threat.
15:39 <@Dagmar> An adult would classify it as one because they were told "any and all weapons" should be considered a deadly threat, even if that instruction seems incredibly stupid in the presence of an obvious toy.
15:41 <@Dagmar> This is exactly the sort of bullshit that got a 1st grader a 3-day suspension a few years ago for having a classic Plastic Green "Army Man" who happened to be holding a rifle.
15:41 <@Dagmar> ...and the reason a woman recently had a problem with the TSA because her purse had a pistol _embroidered_ onto it.
15:42 <@Dagmar> Adults will be willfully stupid to follow rules where a child will say "Fuck that" and do what's reasonable to them
15:44 <@Bahhumbug> Neither of those are comparable to brandishing a weapon, in a school, at a cop.
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17:10 <@Dagmar> A plastic toy is not a weapon.
17:10 <@Dagmar> It's a toy.
17:10 <@Dagmar> A child can see the difference.  Only adults make those kinds of looney decisions.
17:11 <@Dagmar> A cop who can't comprehend that probably shouldn't be posted in a school full of _middle schoolers_
17:11 <@Bahhumbug> Because adults aren't quite as fearless as a child and understand that something that looks like a gun might just well be a gun and might kill them dead.
17:11 <@Dagmar> A plastic pellet gun isn't likely to kill anyone.
17:12 <@Dagmar> ...not even under the most favorable of circumstances.
17:12 <@Bahhumbug> Well, the cop could have asked the child to shoot him with it.  If he lived he would know that it was a non-fatal weapon.
17:12 <@brimstone> 1) choking
17:12 <@Bahhumbug> Otherwise.  He's going home to his family at the end of the day.
17:13 <@Dagmar> I would think that if it's like the only kind I've seen for sale in years, i.e., brightly colored plastic, sometimes including rocket fins and flashy parts...
17:13 <@Dagmar> ...a reasonable thinking assessment of the situation wouldn't involve needing to pull a trigger.
17:13 <@Dagmar> The moment you stop thinking you have failed in *any* security-related scenario.
17:16 <@Dagmar> Bloody finally I find a... picture of a picture of the "weapon".
17:17 <@Dagmar> He apparently had an airsoft pistol
17:17 <@Evilpig> if I had a windows tablet this would be the best desktop. http://browse.deviantart.com/customization/skins/sysmonitor/rainmeter/#/d39w05t
17:17 <@Dagmar> Whether or not the bright-red cap was still on it at the time will be an interesting question
17:18 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: Hell that's a damn fine mockup for a normal desktop
17:18 <@Evilpig> it isn;t bad. i'd enjoy it with a touchscreen though
17:18 <@Dagmar> It's the first time I've seen someone do something that clean with rainmeter
17:19 <@Evilpig> mine doesn't look bad.  I use rainmeter on my netbook
17:20 <@Bahhumbug> I can walk into walmart and buy a look-a-like .177 pellet gun that you could _not_ tell wasn't an authentic semi-auto from any distance over 5 feet.
17:20 <@Dagmar> Damn that's actually _really_ awesome
17:20 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: You're also an adult
17:20 <@Dagmar> NotLarry's kids have airsoft pistols.
17:20 <@Bahhumbug> I can walk into walmart and buy as a gift for a child a look-a-like .177 pellet gun that you could _not_ tell wasn't an authentic semi-auto from any distance over 5 feet.
17:21 <@Dagmar> *most* of them have something on them to make it obvious it's not a real gun, because someone getting killed because SWAT freaks out is a buzzkill
17:21 <@Evilpig> http://i.imgur.com/fS007.jpg
17:21 <@Dagmar> Pretty sure there was more going on in that case than anyone's sayin
17:21 <@Dagmar> I wonder what toxicology is going to say was in his bloodstream
17:21 <@Dagmar> Band kids are generally _not_ the ones going around doing recklessly violent things
17:22 < eryc> all toy guns have the orange cap on them
17:22 < eryc> you can't buy one at walmart without it
17:22 <@Bahhumbug> .177 are not consider "toy" guns.
17:22 < ZombieChicken> How hard is it to remove those tips?
17:22 < eryc> doesn't make your statement true
17:22 <@Dagmar> Probably no harder than it is to break the toy
17:23 <@Bahhumbug> Dagmar: that's quite likely, yes.
17:23 <@Dagmar> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/choice-kill-middle-schooler-brandishing-pellet-gun-cops-article-1.1001480
17:23 <@Dagmar> I find the shot to the back of the head to be questionable in the extreme
17:23 <@Dagmar> ...but I suspect it's more likely someone dosed him with something, based on reports of what he was doing prior to that
17:24 <@Bahhumbug> Oh look.  It's the exact same type of .177 I was describing.
17:24 <@Dagmar> I have grave concerns about that they had his mother signing hold-harmless agreements *before* they told her they'd killed her sone
17:24 <@Dagmar> er son
17:24 <@Bahhumbug> Sorry the kid's dead.  Should have been smart enough to not AIM it at a fucking COP.
17:24 <@Dagmar> That shit'll get thrown out as an unenforceable contract
17:25 <@Bahhumbug> Dagmar: yeah.
17:25 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: And they being a cop makes them special why?
17:25 <@Bahhumbug> Dagmar: that's pretty lame.
17:25 <@Dagmar> I expect police to be held to a _higher_ standard
17:25 <@Bahhumbug> Because they are armed?  And shoot at people pointing weapons at them?
17:25 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: So he was pointing this at cops who were simultaneously in front of and behind him?
17:26 <@Bahhumbug> That's like going up to an already irritated Rott and punching it in the nose and expecting it to not leap for your throat.
17:26 <@Bahhumbug> I don't know where the cops were.
17:26 <@Dagmar> A cop should never, ever be on the job in the mindset of an "irritated Rott", period.
17:26 <@Bahhumbug> I didn't say a cop was.
17:26 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: THe kid basically got two to the chest and one in the head, and the one in the head was from the *back* of his skull
17:27 <@Bahhumbug> You can rail on about this all you want.  The kid shouldn't have pointed what appears to ANY observer to be a real weapon at a cop.
17:27 < ZombieChicken> Or threaten to kill a school full of kids
17:27 <@Dagmar> I understand the need to use lethal force when the time comes, but I still suspect they were just looking to handle it "quickly" no matter what simply because they could later say "we're cops and we're allowed to shoot people", which is some bullshit
17:27 <@Dagmar> He didn't threaten a "school full of kids"
17:27 <@Bahhumbug> he was brandishing a weapon _in a school_.
17:28 <@Bahhumbug> He was heard to have threatened to kill people.
17:28 <@Dagmar> He did *punch* a kid shortly before that
17:28 <@Bahhumbug> Wether it's shit talk or not, he should have known better.
17:28 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: Mis-statement of fact
17:28 <@Bahhumbug> That's possible.
17:28 <@Bahhumbug> I've only read one article about it.
17:28 <@Bahhumbug> And saw only one reference to his alleged statement.
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17:31 <@Dagmar> Yeah, I saw he told the *cops* "I'm gonna kill everybody" once they had him surrounded, which sounds like fuckin' crazy-talk to me
17:31 <@Dagmar> Kids were hiding under desks because they were told the *cops* were coming, which probably says something about how much of a threat the students thought he was
17:32 <@Dagmar> He punched a kid in a classroom in teh nose and then went into the halls.
17:32 <@Dagmar> I'm not seeing any reports of him actually making threats against students with it, and kids would be talking about that on Facebook by now for sure
17:32 <@Dagmar> Something might come to light later tonight
17:33 <@Bahhumbug> True.
17:33 <@Bahhumbug> And I am basing my opinion on that which I know, which isn't much.
17:34 <@Bahhumbug> But based on what I have read I can't change said opinion.  Clean shoot.  Kid shouldn't have been a darwin candidate.
17:34 <@Bahhumbug> (yeah I know.  I'm a heartless asshole)
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21:31 < rangerz> so i'm plesently surprised with the netgear n600
21:46 < rangerz> http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/04/9951078-will-google-facebook-others-nuke-internet-over-sopa
22:10 <@Dagmar> I think the internet as a whole might collectively shit itself if Google stopped processing search queries for a day
22:10 <@Dagmar> ...although frankly, a demonstration of... Hmm... potency might do some good
22:10 <@Dagmar> Mastery?
22:10 <@Dagmar> People would lose a measureable amount of money
22:11 <@Dagmar> It would definitely highlight exactly why it is we work hard to keep the internet _functioning_
22:11 <@Dagmar> ...although I think some would try to misconstrue it
22:11 <@Dagmar> The damn thing works as long as everyone plays by the rules and adds value to it
22:12 <@Dagmar> When a chunk of that value suddenly goes missing, everyone suffers
22:12 <@Dagmar> SOPA == flamingos in the yard
22:17 < rangerz> if google and facebook alone do it
22:18 < rangerz> let alone wikipedia, and others ontop of those two
22:19 < rangerz> leave up some popular site like reddit or digg, or forum that google/etc setup just for discussing sopa, so people can spend their time asking WTF is sopa
22:37 <@rhia> and PIPA
22:37 <@rhia> one senate, one house, both insidious
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22:42 < rangerz> yeah
22:47 < rangerz> but thats how it goes, they often have two "different" bills that they pass at the same time and confernce them together, that way they can hide who "wrote" certain parts
22:48 <@rhia> and so they can focus our attention on one and quietly pass the other
23:05 <@Dagmar> Doesn't really matter this time around.
23:05 <@Dagmar> If they pass it, it'll be the first shot heard 'round the Internet
23:06 <@Dagmar> There are literally thousands of reasons to not pass legislation like that, and the people pushing for it don't give a damn about any of them because they think it won't affect their bottom line.
23:07 <@Dagmar> Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Twitter all "taking a day off" will affect their bottom lines.
23:07 <@Dagmar> It might be enough to make them see that the people who _actually_ run the Internet are right
23:08 <@Dagmar> The Internet is the most important thing to happen to humanity in the last fifty years.
23:09 <@Dagmar> Trying to fuck it up for money is insanely self-destructive
23:09 <@Dagmar> 100 years from now, every man, woman and child on the planet will view the _majority of the world_ as their neighbor
23:10 <@Dagmar> The very concept of war is likely to become a fairly sordid and backwater affair
23:11 <@Dagmar> You can't depersonalize people who you talk to, in person or online unless your a psychopath.
23:12 <@Dagmar> s/your/you're/
23:13 <@Dagmar> Throwing careless, improperly controlled, and destructive layers of information over the internet threatens that completely
23:13 <@Dagmar> s/information/information control/
23:18 <@Bahhumbug> A shame you don't have millions of dollars in bribes to throw their way.
23:19 <@Bahhumbug> And I still don't see this passing.
23:19 <@Dagmar> If I had millions of dollars I wouldn't waste it on fucking bribery.
23:19 <@Dagmar> I'd be Ozymandias
23:19 <@Bahhumbug> hahahaha
23:19 <@Dagmar> I spend _way_ too much time thinking from the 10,000-year view
23:20 <@Dagmar> This is something I can *do* because I have access to the internet.
23:22 <@Dagmar> ...or at least, it's fucktons faster to do the historical examinations when you don't have to fumble around with dead trees
23:23 <@Dagmar> I think it's a safe assumption other people on the planet will have found themselves able to think about those kinds of things and compare their theories to historical record as well
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