--- Log opened Mon Dec 19 00:00:48 2011
00:04 < MinecraftRelay> (evilDagmar) In case you were wondering, dyed sheep can breed that color.
00:04 < MinecraftRelay> (wilpig) I figured they might.  just been waiting for my baby sheep to grow up
00:05 < Elrod> Pig, is The new Starwars MMO any good?
00:05 < MinecraftRelay> (wilpig) mirage has been playing it.  and he said he doesn't like how rigid the interface is.
00:05 < MinecraftRelay> (wilpig) other than that he didn't say anything really bad about it.  oh and hte main player areas are instan
00:06 < MinecraftRelay> (wilpig) instanced and you can only enter one every thirty minutes which made it difficult to trade with
00:06 < MinecraftRelay> (wilpig) other players
00:06 < Elrod> that's a bit perplexing
00:06 < Elrod> wonder why they did that
00:07 < Elrod> hopefully they remove issues like that before it's official launch
00:07 < Elrod> would be a shame if they failed as bad as startrek did
00:08 < MinecraftRelay> (wilpig) we'll see how it goes.  i'll stick with wow for now.
00:08 <@Dagmar> Same here
00:08 <@Dagmar> I can tell you why they "did" that.
00:08 < Elrod> until I'm out of college I'm staying away from MMOs or I'll fail out :)
00:08 <@Dagmar> Its' because that's the way it works in Champions ONline, and Star Trek Online
00:09 < MinecraftRelay> (wilpig) I can think of many reasons to instance it.  but the 30 minute timeout would be more than annoying
00:09 < Elrod> I meant the timeout was perplexing, instancing could work awesome for load balancing if implemented appropriately
00:10 < MinecraftRelay> (wilpig) this wheat needs to grow faster
00:10 < MinecraftRelay> (wilpig) it's sheep breeding time!
00:10 <@Dagmar> If you grow it in rows, it grows VERY fast
00:11 <@Dagmar> That's when it goes to full maturity in one game day
00:11 < MinecraftRelay> (wilpig) soooo many sheep.
00:11 <@Dagmar> I've got five sheep now.
00:12 < MinecraftRelay> (wilpig) log back in and tp to me
00:12 <@Dagmar> Prolly a dozen or so cattle, slightly more pigs, and a SHITLOAD of chickens
00:12 < Elrod> are you guys making exploding sheep?
00:12 <@Dagmar> Nope
00:12 < Elrod> bummer
00:12 < MinecraftRelay> (wilpig) after I get a good stock of base sheep i'm gonna segregate them and dye em
00:15 < MinecraftRelay> (wilpig) heh can barely walk in this pen
00:16 <@Evilpig> hrmmm dynmap isn't showing my position but it is showing the sheep
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00:40 <@Evilpig> I think it's time to take my dinner and retreat to operator services away from the nail clipping and otherwise irritating person in the room
02:16 <@Evilpig> http://i.imgur.com/lwVuW.jpg
04:33 < rangerz> wow, kim jong il died
04:33 < rangerz> i wonder if that will change the balance of power in that country
04:38 <@Evilpig> he was a god.  he created thecountry.  he isn't dead
04:58 < rangerz> actually that was his father, but pretty much
04:59 <@Bahhumbug> heh, balance of power.
04:59 <@Bahhumbug> that's sorta funny.
04:59 < rangerz> i meant within the region, because of that country
05:00 < rangerz> his son is only 30 +/-3 years, western educated
05:00 < rangerz> he might not be as hard line as his father, (which i'm not counting on by any means), but it might unsettle others around there
05:00 <@Bahhumbug> the son is as insane, if not more so, than his old man was.
05:02 < rangerz> who knows, hopefully it ends up just breaking apart
05:03 < rangerz> the northern region doesn't have much of the farmland (the south does), the north had the industrial part... and they still want to re-unify, but 50+ years of brainwashing isn't going to be easy to repair
05:04 < rangerz> but ehh, sleep, night
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05:09 <@Bahhumbug> Wow.  Not sure if anyone watches Dexter in this crowd, but tonight's season finale was an 'Oh FUCK!' moment.
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06:47 <@Evilpig> odd... I know tehre were some notices about upcoming utilities outages in the NOC folder but they are gone now...
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09:46 < aestetix_> "Madaras also mentioned that Manning had put Merc-Chat on their computer.  MercChat was a program that Madaras needed for his job.  Manning helped other to put it on their computers.  Madaras said that he did not know how to add mission-critical programs to the desktop himself."
09:46 < aestetix_> http://www.bradleymanning.org/updates/day-three-of-the-bradley-manning-trial-in-depth-notes-from-a-courtroom-viewer-in-bradley-mannings-article-32-hearing
09:46 < aestetix_> I will laugh really hard if they mean mIRC
09:47 <@Corydon76-work> They do.  Some people pronounce it, instead of spelling out each letter.
09:49 < aestetix_> Well sure
09:49 < aestetix_> What I mean is, mIRC.... of all clients.
09:51 < aestetix_> Then again, I'm guessing most military tech workers don't spend all day long on IRC like I do...
09:53 <@Corydon76-work> Well, yeah, but these are all Windows users...
09:53 <@Corydon76-work> The idea of using Windows in a situation where you need the computer to be reliable and secure seems funny to me
09:54 <@Corydon76-work> especially in a situation where it's clear none of the users really understand how to use a computer
09:54 < aestetix_> I think there are versions of xchat and bitchx for windows, though I could be wrong.
09:55 <@Corydon76-work> Again, these are casual users, not hardcore users.
09:55 < aestetix_> But yeah. If they are running windows computers using mIRC, it sounds like they may have more problems than Manning leaking docs.
09:56 <@Corydon76-work> That they were not supposed to install any executable programs on their machines (other than those approved)... seems hokey that this wasn't a Windows policy, and that they had administrator access
09:56 <@brimstone> isn't Merc-Chat what Mercster uses?
09:57 < aestetix_> This reminds me of the time I got arrested, and the poor officer was trying to explain the tech behind the system that looks up my info in the FBI database
09:57 < aestetix_> I was like "oooh cool computers! can you tell me how it works?" and he was like "ur uh I click this button and it makes magic?"
09:59 < aestetix_> oh another gem
09:59 < aestetix_> "He described Merc-chat as being instant messaging software.  He said there was one version of Merc-Chat that didn’t play well with the antivirus software on the computers."
09:59 < aestetix_> Corydon76-work: normally I'd have all the sympathy in the world for the casual users
10:00 < aestetix_> But I'm sort of reeling that this is the security we have set up to guard the nation's secrets
10:01 <@Corydon76-work> I've said before that if people realized the flimsy construction their houses use, they'd never trust their valuables to a door lock ever again
10:01 < aestetix_> I think that depends on when your house was created and where.
10:02 <@brimstone> break a window?
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10:16 <@oddball> Corydon76-work: Or they would recognize that the locks are really to stop the opportunistic theives.
10:27 <@Corydon76-work> oddball: right, which means there's never any real reason to use anything other than a doorknob lock
10:30 <@Corydon76-work> The real deterrence to breaking into your home isn't physical security; it's the eyes and ears of your neighbors and their interest in ensuring the crime rates don't rise in your neighborhood
10:37 <@oddball> I would still atleast use a dead bolt since doorknob locks are too easy to pop open.
10:38 <@Corydon76-work> They are?
10:39 <@Corydon76-work> I mean, I can open them with a lockpick set, but... you can do that with a deadbolt, too
10:40 <@oddball> Well, the doorknob ones can be popped by pressing on the door and giggling a card in the frame. (saw a lock smith do it to my door)
10:41 <@oddball> at least with the deadbolts, you have to either break out the lock picks or kick the door in.
10:41 <@Corydon76-work> I suspect that only works if the door jamb is sufficiently loose or if the door opens inward
10:41 <@Corydon76-work> Err, outward, rather
10:42 <@oddball> nope, inward.  As for the doorjam being loose, see your statement of typical quality of installation.
10:42 <@Corydon76-work> I wasn't talking about quality of installation.  I was talking about the utter lack of anything approaching security in the walls.
10:43 <@oddball> ah, ok
10:43 <@oddball> Well, I would talk further about this, but I have to get to an interview.
10:43 <@Corydon76-work> Most houses built today are meant to be good at retaining heat, not secure against an intruder
10:43 <@Corydon76-work> Good luck
11:56 <@the_hugme> there was a great website I found a while back that sold biometric door locks for the home
11:56 <@the_hugme> you could also buy it in 'parts
11:57 <@the_hugme> so you could purchase the magnetic locks separately... or the door arm... etc...
12:06 <@Corydon76-work> That's very much similar to putting barbed wire and guards at the front door and leaving the loading dock open and unmonitored.
12:07 <@Corydon76-work> Bigger and better locks don't solve the problem that you can simply go around the door.
12:27 <@Mirage> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Duct_tape_apollo17.jpg
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14:23 <@the_hugme> brick houses are still 100 times better than anything we build with today.. and they aren't THAT much more expensive...
14:29 <@Corydon76-work> Structurally, no.  A wooden frame house is actually better from a structural point of view.  Now, bricks are used generally as a facade, not for structural purposes.
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14:32 <@Corydon76-work> Concrete enforced with iron rods is even better, but filled concrete is prohibitively expensive for home use
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15:16 < RangerZ> so... ubuntu uninstalling the oracle jdk is going to screw with anyone trying to compile the stock applications for android, apparently they don't compile with openJDK, but once they are compiled they can be converted to dex bytecode accurately
16:34 < RangerZ> OHhh thats rich... AT&T blamed ['regulators' for not realizing how fast the industry is growing]
16:35 < RangerZ> for them dropping the merger of tmobile
16:36 <@Dagmar> They're not taking my packages away.
16:36 <@Dagmar> I'll chattr +i that whole fucking tree
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16:48 <@Corydon76-work> And WSJ is spreading FUD about T-Mobile
16:49 <@Corydon76-work> Basically, an "oh no, T-Mobile doesn't have 4-G".  Well, neither did the other 3 carriers, either, until the ITU changed its definition of 4G to include what the other 3 carriers were already doing.
16:50 <@brimstone> is that... legal?
16:50 <@Corydon76-work> What the ITU did or what WSJ did?
16:50 <@brimstone> the ITU
16:50 <@Corydon76-work> It's an international body.  Laws really don't apply.
16:51 <@brimstone> On December 6, 2010, ITU recognized that current versions of LTE, WiMax and other evolved 3G technologies that do not fulfill "IMT-Advanced" requirements could nevertheless be considered "4G", provided they represent forerunners to IMT-Advanced and "a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third generation systems now deployed."
16:51 <@brimstone> http://www.itu.int/net/pressoffice/press_releases/2010/48.aspx
16:51 <@brimstone> !addquote <Corydon76-work> It's an international body.  Laws really don't apply.
16:52 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, in other words, "since you guys are going to call it 4G anyway, we might as well revise our standard so we can avoid becoming irrelevant."
16:52 <@Dagmar> QUICK!  ADD MOAR G'S!
16:53 <@brimstone> but.... that's not how it's suppose to work!
16:56 <@Dagmar> It wouldn't be the first time they've done something like that
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22:46 <@Dagmar> lol http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111219/04440117128/poll-suggests-americans-all-ages-political-positions-locations-all-hate-sopa.shtml
22:46 <@Dagmar> So, in theory we should have no trouble firing politicians over that
22:47 <@Dagmar> That's a 502.
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