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00:32 <@NotLarry> RangerZ: you are so baaaaaaaaaaad
00:39 <@NotLarry> My doctor today says "It's time for your prostate exame" and I told him I thought I just got one and he said "phreaknic?"
00:53 <@Bahhumbug> heh
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01:57 <@NotLarry> ok, night kids
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06:48 <@Evilpig> has anyone seen any whitepapers on data recovery from ssd's?
06:48 <@Evilpig> is that even possible?  on regular drives they can read the magnetic waveform, right?  but that doesn't exist to read from an ssd.
07:54 <@opticron> what level of data recovery are you talking about?
07:54 <@opticron> controller chip failure?
07:55 <@opticron> individual flash chip failure?
08:01 < scr1bbles> I think those are the key questions, most data recovery software can handle regular SD card recoveries no problem, but the drive would still at least need to be able to take power
08:01 < scr1bbles> or else I htink you'd be getting into soldering
08:07 <@Evilpig> data recovery as in something was deleted and salvage it
08:17 <@opticron> that will vary for different definitions of "deleted"
08:18 <@opticron> if the blocks are actually wiped, I think the data is gone
08:20 <@opticron> though, if you know the tech well enough and you have a good electron microscope...there maybe SOMETHING remaining
08:21 <@Evilpig> interesting.  just thinking about drive encryption and whatnot and it seems that an ssd would be a good option for security if you can really wipe it and not have to worry about a faint magnetic trail
08:24 <@opticron> I'm thinking you'd have to read degradation of gate materials, but that might only be a good indicator if the same bits are written repeatedly a bunch of times
08:24 <@opticron> which is unlikely
08:25 <@opticron> you might be able to read a residual charge on the floating gate, but will depend on the tech
08:25 <@opticron> some might drive it hard enough to remove all residual charge
08:26 <@opticron> also, these methods that I've mentioned are so tedious as to be totally impractical without some kind of automation or an EXTREME need to recover the data
08:27 <@opticron> another complication: the nand gates are stacked in most newer SSDs
08:28 <@opticron> so you have multiple layers to wade through
08:51 <@Dagmar> Freaking hate bronchitis
08:55 <@Evilpig> what it boils down to in the short term is if you have sensative data you could make an argument to a purchasing manager as to the need for an SSD on a laptop. ;)
08:55 <@opticron> probably
08:56 <@Evilpig> the DHS report has had no fewer than 50 incidents of hospital patient data stolen from laptops, etc over the last year.
08:56 <@Dagmar> Er what?
08:57 <@Dagmar> I don't think an SSD is going to help security.
08:57 <@Dagmar> A cryptographic filesystem, on the other hand, works just fine.
08:57 <@Evilpig> if you're deleting the data properly
08:57 <@Evilpig> hardware encryption with a password on an ssd
08:57 <@Dagmar> IBM has that for normal hard drives and Thinkpads since like 2000.
08:58 <@Dagmar> You just gotta know what to ask for
08:58 <@Evilpig> but the argument to get an ssd.  I think you're missing hte point here
08:58 <@Evilpig> would you want a secure hard drive or would you try to get a secure ssd if you had the chance?
08:58 <@Dagmar> I'd rather have some disk space
08:59 <@Dagmar> I've got SSDs in some stuff here that was traveling on the bike with me, so it needed that
09:00 <@Dagmar> A 250Gb spindled disk is pretty easy to get.  250Gb of SSD is OMG
09:00 <@Dagmar> I have to actually put some thought into what I'm going to carry and not carry on the much, much smaller SSD
09:04 <@benthemeek> but evilpig's point is he can tell someone I need a big ssd, buy it for me! Am I right?
09:05 <@Dagmar> Frankly, I
09:05 <@benthemeek> money not being the issue ;)
09:05 <@Dagmar> 'd look at what options are available first then
09:05 <@Dagmar> Given a choice between the two, SSD is cool, but you can't get them in super-large formats
09:06 <@benthemeek> Im assuming ssds consume a lot less power too
09:06 <@benthemeek> that's a good point
09:06 <@Dagmar> They do.
09:07 <@Dagmar> Hopping up and down chanting "SSD! SSD!" is, I suspect, not a useful approach
09:07 <@benthemeek> maybe thorw in a exernal usb drive to store your music and movies too when you buy the laptop
09:07 <@benthemeek> just no patient data
09:07 <@Dagmar> If money's no object there's way better fish to fry
09:07 <@Dagmar> Like, "I think I'm going to need a second drive bay"
09:07 <@benthemeek> I have never actually owned one, but I have lusted a bit
09:08 <@Dagmar> In non-laptop form factors, you can get there from here for kinda cheapish now
09:08 <@Dagmar> The Chinese make a PCI card that'll hold two SDCards which it can present over a normal disk interface as one or two IDE disks
09:08 <@Dagmar> Probably tromping on some specs and patents, since they don't seem to retail them here, but you can get 'em online.  :)
09:09 <@Dagmar> they'll even run the two SDCards in a raid mode for speed
09:09 <@Dagmar> The card cost $60 the last time I looked
09:10 <@Dagmar> That's _probably_ the route I'm going to be going on my firewall next time around
09:10 <@opticron> lol
09:11 <@benthemeek> sweet
09:11 <@opticron> I now have a SSD in my laptop (for power savings) and gaming desktop (for load times)
09:12 <@opticron> worth it on both counts
09:12 <@Dagmar> These people have single-slot models but I don't know what they're thinking with the 3.5" chassis only http://www.addonics.com/products/adidesd.php
09:12 <@opticron> though I do have space issues on the desktop
09:12 <@opticron> I don't store large amounts of data on the laptop
09:13 <@Dagmar> These mofos, on the other hand, just make porn http://www.hwtools.net/index.html
09:13 <@Dagmar> miniPCI adapters for PCs too
09:14 <@Dagmar> http://www.hwtools.net/Adapter/SSDMD.html == fuck yes gimme
09:19 <@Dagmar> Also http://www.hwtools.net/Adapter/PM3U.html
10:23 <@sasquatc4> interestin, wonder if those would work well with that intel smart response instead of havin to buy an actual ssd
10:42 < eryc> i have few $15k ssd cards i've been playing with
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12:12 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: are you gonna be at the meeting friday?
12:21 <@Dagmar> Fuck this
12:21 <@Dagmar> I'm going to grep some zone files
12:53 < ragechin> heheh
12:59 <@Dagmar> Yeah, it turns out that 99% of my confusion came from the fucking IP management software
12:59 <@Dagmar> I *did* actually remember WTF I was supposed to do corretly
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15:10 <@Dickie> Run DnD Encounters at PhreakNIC
15:11 <@Evilpig> I just mentioned the furry hunt to dolemite.  he said if we "hunt" jesterfox everyone has to ride stick ponies
15:11 <@Dickie> deal
15:13 <@Evilpig> I'm thinking if we can get enough people for this it could be really funny to film
15:13 <@Evilpig> a bunch of geeks chasing a furry fox through the hotel halls, the lobby, etc
15:14 <@brimstone> i think dolemite just wants to watch people run around with a stick inbetween their legs
15:43 <@Dagmar> I'd just like to take a moment to express my deep and abiding hatred and distrust of DiamondIP.
15:44 <@Dagmar> I put that cough medicine I had in the trash
15:44 <@Dagmar> It makes me *really* stupid
15:44 <@Dagmar> I spent half the morning stymied trying to figure out how the fuck you put a NS glue record into an in-addr zone
15:45 <@Dagmar> The short answer is "ya fuckin' don't"
15:45 <@Dagmar> CODIENE.
15:45 <@Dagmar> Who needs an actual spike into the brain?
16:19 <@Evilpig> "It's nice to finally play a game that is more organic than a brick in a dishwasher"  I have no idea why that comment just made me laugh
16:19 <@Dagmar> WTF http://cuteoverload.com/2011/11/29/what-a-prickly-eater/
16:19 <@Evilpig> http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/5020-The-Elder-Scrolls-V-Skyrim
16:19 <@Dagmar> Oo!
16:26 <@Dagmar> I know what the brick in the dryer means
16:26 <@Dagmar> er dishwasher
16:28 <@Dagmar> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=364dzVsBs2o
16:28 <@Evilpig> i've seen that before
16:28 <@Evilpig> and i'm gonna watch it again too
16:28 <@Dagmar> heh
16:34 <@Evilpig> http://i.imgur.com/RYWpV.png  <-- I wonder how much it would cost to get a bunch of these printed as stickers.
16:35 <@Evilpig> they could be most amusing to stick to other things with existing QR codes
16:35 <@brimstone> or over existing QR codes
16:35 <@Evilpig> exactly
16:35 <@brimstone> hide it with a short link
16:35 <@brimstone> bit.ly or something so you can track stats on it too
16:39 <@Dagmar> ...or stick it on a political flyer.
16:39 <@Dagmar> hint hint
16:39 <@Evilpig> funnier to put over existing ones
16:40 <@Dagmar> Sometime you and I will spend the day at a mall observing people scanning a random QR code
16:40 <@Dagmar> It's greater than 60%
16:41 <@Dagmar> It's like the opposite of shadyurl
16:57 <@Dagmar> Days like this I don't know why I even bother to learn things.
16:57 <@Evilpig> my boss doesn't think i'm funny
16:57 < ragechin> do tell
16:58 <@Evilpig> he said he was worried cause his wife called and said she had a surprise for dinner.  I laughed to myself and said it is the children
16:58 <@Evilpig> bbq
16:58 < ragechin> lol
17:00 <@Evilpig> like I said.  I laughed
17:01 <@Evilpig> http://www.wowace.com/addons/cooldowncount/files/251-v3-7-2-beta/
17:01 <@Evilpig> nice..  "not tagging as releast yet since it's not completely functional."
17:01 <@Evilpig> more like not functional at all.  it doesn't do the one thing it is supposed to do
17:13 <@Bahhumbug> you tossed out codeine?
17:13 <@Bahhumbug> wtf is wrong  with you?
18:03 <@Dagmar> Bahumbug: Dude I blew at least an hour this morning googling how you're supposed to add a glue A record for reverse zone.
18:03 <@Dagmar> That's all thanks to codiene.
18:03 <@Dagmar> So... that shit goes.
18:04 <@Dagmar> A NORMAL dose of cough medicine with that in it makes me _really fucking stupid_.
18:04 <@Dagmar> To save people from googling, the answer is "No, you don't add an A record to a reverse zone, and you don't add an glue record at *all* for something outside the zone like that."
18:05 < aestetix> Man
18:05 < aestetix> I finally get the mail server set up in iceland, and the kernel dies.
18:05 <@Dagmar> Now that it's worn off I'm pretty sure I'm looking at a serious DNS misconfiguration but I think I've burned my credibility for the moment flapping my hands around about the reverse zone changes
18:06 < aestetix> And uh.... let's say that Iceland has a very different idea of tech support.
18:06 <@Dagmar> So... now I'm hunting the wild unique DNS record so I can show our shit ain't right
18:06 < aestetix> But at least I'm not hosting this out of Russia. I'd be connecting with a 28.8 modem and working on a RAID of floppy disks
18:06 <@Dagmar> aestetix: They can't push the button for you?
18:06 < aestetix> Dagmar: sure, when they're at work :)
18:07 <@Dagmar> Ahhh...
18:07 < aestetix> Europeans do not have the same 24/7 workaholic lifestyle we do
18:07 < aestetix> Or... icelandeans, for that matter
18:08 <@Dagmar> aestetix: How good is your DNS-fu?
18:08 < aestetix> Uh, I can use dig? I'd say moderate
18:08 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Actually they've got the best work-life balance in the world going on over there
18:09 < aestetix> Yes, they do. That wasn't entirely a complaint.
18:09 <@Dagmar> aestetix: So if you do a lookup on 129.59.197.192, would you be in a position to say something useful about the ns records?
18:09 <@Dagmar> Like, I think the only reason this appears to work when I query *their* server is that they have recursive queries enabled and it's querying ours
18:10 <@Dagmar> ...and I'm pretty sure ours isn't forwarding the query authority
18:10 < aestetix> Ok, how can I test this for you?
18:10 <@Dagmar> The IP management software is doing somethign really stupid and generating glue records for itself for every item in the 59.129.in-addr.arpa zone
18:10 <@Dagmar> So the two that it's suposed to reference are in there, but don't really come into play because there's six more ahead of it
18:13 <@Bahhumbug> meh.  you could have mailed it to me.
18:13 <@Bahhumbug> that's drug abuse.
18:13 <@Bahhumbug> waste of perfectly good codeine.
18:15 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Just tell me if this looks as daft as I think http://pastebin.com/U8NcnTCs
18:15 <@Dagmar> I'm going to have to hassle the guys from ACCRE tomorrow to find out what's in their zone files
18:15 <@Dagmar> It shouldn't be saying ours are the authoritative servers
18:16 <@Dagmar> Actually... fuck it.  I've been killing myself for hours over this
18:16 <@Dagmar> Im pretty sure it's broken and when the people I set up the new DNS zone for start changing it, shit will break
18:17 <@Dagmar> ...at which point I will remind people I started working with DNS before Slashdot existed
18:17 <@Dagmar> THe main problem appears to be that there's more than one misconfigured thing involved here
18:18 <@Dagmar> If I'm flapping my hands around and looking worried, some shit's probably broken even if I can't put my finger on specifically what yet
18:18 <@Dagmar> this has been messed up for awhile and the people who would be impacted by it are basically completely incapable of figuring it out so... screw it
18:47 <@Evilpig> reddit has a photoshop thread going.  I don't think my entry is too bad.
18:47 <@Evilpig> original: http://media.thestar.topscms.com/images/5e/e0/206ffdc7426b939ca73c514a6b42.jpeg
18:47 <@Evilpig> mine: http://i.imgur.com/nVneh.jpg
18:49 <@Evilpig> http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/murxb/do_your_thing_reddit/
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19:03 < ragechin> /ndfs/win 25
20:16 <@NotLarry> Dagmar: you there?
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20:25 <@NotLarry> Wow, - "Two of the antibodies, called b12 and VRC01, proved completely protective . even when the mice received doses of HIV that were 100 times higher than a natural infection."
20:27 <@NotLarry> http://5z8.info/dicksonparade_m7y4vr_5waystokillwithamelon
20:28 <@Dagmar> NotLarry: I am here.
20:28 <@NotLarry> ok, this isn't even funny.  The fucking thermistate for this room was set at 78 degrees F.
20:29 <@Dagmar> That would probably be Pat.
20:29 <@NotLarry> Dagmar: I need to borrow you phone tools tomorrow night.  I need to swap parts out between a couple of pre phones.  I think a t5 is what I need.
20:29 <@Dagmar> She doesn't seem to understand that a thermostat is more or less self-regulating
20:29 <@Dagmar> Notlarry: Okay I'll go stick my screwdriver kit in my backpack
20:29 <@NotLarry> My bloodwork came back from the doctors office today.  He asked me if I had a will.
20:30 <@Dagmar> People seem to think everyone over 30 is going to drop dead at any moment
20:31 <@Dagmar> I think that may be true of the folks at Dire Maul tho
20:32 <@Dagmar> NOw that we've got transmogrification, I'm having a hard time finding something I'd *want* to have my dwarf in
20:32 <@Dagmar> This site tho http://www.icy-veins.com/ makes it a little easier to get an overview
20:37 <@Dagmar> I think I'm just going to mog my gun to the Blunderbuss of Khaz Modan for now (the Hunter Mace) and be done with it
20:40 <@Dagmar> Also http://wowroleplaygear.com is handy
20:40 <@Dagmar> A bit *too* handy for the colo hoster at the moment tho
20:41 <@mog> Dagmar, you cant mog your gun its not allowed
20:41 <@Dagmar> Oh yes I can
20:42 <@Dagmar> Hell I'm tempted to go dig up some promo art of classic dwarven hunters, or maybe the ones from WCIII and see if I can just duplicate that
20:43 <@Dagmar> Kinda thinking the sneaky thing to do would pick the stuff that looks like paladin gear
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20:54 <@mog> you cant mog anything now Dagmar
20:58 <@brimstone> mog mog mog mog mog mog mog mog mog mog mog mog mog mog mog
20:58  * brimstone prances around
20:58 <@mog> i see what you did there brimstone
21:03 < RangerZ> i didn't see it, could you try it again and let me try to see again
21:03 < RangerZ> lol
21:30 < MinecraftRelay> (evilDagmar) Interestingly I only have a vague idea of where I am
21:34 <@sdodson> MinecraftRelay: you're lame
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21:44 < MinecraftRelay> (evilDagmar) Mushrooms still have weird z-level errors
21:46 <@NotLarry> sooooo, new meds or bad oriental food?
21:46 < MinecraftRelay> (evilDagmar) No, they seem to spawn in places they're not supposed to
21:47 < MinecraftRelay> (evilDagmar) Like in their own little potholes and into tree trunks
21:47 < MinecraftRelay> (evilDagmar) Sometimes hanging in midair
21:48 <@NotLarry> really need to get rid of my warcraft account.
21:49 < RangerZ> NotLarry: (neutralGoodDagmar) you know of any good junk yards in nashville?
21:50 < MinecraftRelay> (evilDagmar) Only the Pull-a-part near my house in West Nashville
21:50 <@NotLarry> I've been told pullapart is ok
21:50 <@NotLarry> I had dealings with a bike place downtown, but they sucked
21:52 < MinecraftRelay> (evilDagmar) You don't mean "A-1 Funcycles" do you?
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21:56 <@NotLarry> probably, yeah.  Needed a spedo, they were the only one around with the part.
21:56 <@NotLarry> They they realized the price they quoted me was not for the spedo in the housing, wanted to charge me more.
21:57 < MinecraftRelay> (evilDagmar) Well, just as long as they filed the serial number off real good
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23:29 <@Evilpig> damnit.  i'm already tired and need to get these drawers put together still
23:47 <@NotLarry> Just thought I would share one of my favorite movies - http://5z8.info/olive-loaf-penetration.gif_x0u5fi_start-trojan
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