--- Log opened Mon Nov 21 00:00:43 2011
00:01 <@Evilpig> and ben the germophobe begins his nightly cleaning of the desk
00:01 <@Evilpig> which will then be followed with a more than ample dose of hand sanitizer
00:02 <@Evilpig> I will in turn lick my hopefully filthy desk surface and enjoy the germy goodness
00:23 <@CNwaV> Builds up your immune system
00:28 <@Evilpig> that's how i look at it
00:28 <@Evilpig> I need to get an inspired idea for the next PN site.
00:29 <@CNwaV> That is why kids get so sick these days... Too much handwashing
00:30 <@Evilpig> overuse of hand sanitizer.  not necessarily washing their hands too much
00:30 <@Evilpig> anti-bacterial hand sanitizer, anti-bacterial sprays like lysol on everything
01:17 <@Evilpig> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883103364
01:17 <@Evilpig> That is a very interesting item.
01:36 < RangerZ> COTS media server
01:38 < RangerZ> though.. for the price, the formfactor, the keyboard, etc... not too bad
01:45 <@Evilpig> the keyboard looks like shit, but neat all the same
01:47 <@Evilpig> Corydon76-home: this gadget is handy but really just not very flexible.  if you want to go this route building custom buttons would be the better way to go.  we'll just have to keep an eye on inventory
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02:14 <@Catonic> Now 99% drama free.
02:18 <@Evilpig> que?
02:18 <@Evilpig> 99 problems but a Catonic isn't it?
02:18 <@Evilpig> one*
02:27 < RangerZ> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2536010&cid=38121590 i just LOL'd
02:32 <@Evilpig> Corydon76-home: actually the new beta version might work.  I had to redo the spreadsheet though.  http://phreaknic.info/store.html
03:14 <@Evilpig> this here could work
03:37 <@Catonic> 99 problems but Plan B isn't one
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04:38 <@Evilpig> wb
04:38 <@Catonic> thanks
04:38 <@Catonic> 52GB takes longer to move than I thought
04:38 <@Catonic> so here's what I've learned...
04:38 <@Catonic> Debian 5.0.8 is about as far forward as you can go and still get VMWare Server to compile modules.
04:39 <@Catonic> VMWare Server V2.0.1 will install where 2.0.2 will blow chunks on vsock.ko.
04:39 <@Evilpig> interesting
04:39 <@Catonic> 2GB of ram on a Core2Duo will be much faster than 1GB of RAM on a 2GHz Celeron, even if no VMs are running.
04:40 <@Catonic> Core2Duo is E4700, 2.6GHz.
04:40 <@Evilpig> that one I understand
04:42 <@Catonic> somewhere along the way I wound up with 3PCs with mutally exclusive capabilities
04:43 <@Catonic> C2D could run MacOSX, B100 was running vmware, and the GX270 supported a firewire external drive.
04:43 <@Catonic> cut my losses, booted amd64 into the C2D, installed an FW card, and moved the FW hard drive over.
04:44 <@Catonic> moved the vms to the external drive (by way of the main hard drive).
04:44 <@Catonic> Now the question will be ... what happens in a power loss situation...
04:44 <@Catonic> the internal drive is XFS, the external is JFS
04:45 <@Evilpig> sounds like time to test!  got some scissors?  FOR SCIENCE!
04:46 <@Catonic> Naaaah. Not until I get hard drive #3 here so I can rebuild the mirror and make the F/W drives redundant.
04:47 <@Catonic> I bought a pair of matching firewire external drive boxes, then used on to recover the mac, so now I have a hard drive sitting there not doing anything because it's got 150GB of Mac crap on it.
04:47 <@Catonic> And in the mean time, I filled the 1TB drive to within 11GB.
04:47 <@Catonic> What can I say, a nigga likes to watch movies.
04:47 <@Evilpig> I think that means you have 11GB to expand one of those partitions into then
04:48 <@Catonic> I've never needed to use Linux software raid before, but now I do...
04:48 <@Catonic> unfortunately, I didn't setup the disk right the first time to use Linux raid, so when I get another drive, that will be the first order of business.
04:49 <@Evilpig> changing of the partion types
04:49 <@Evilpig> always hair raising
04:49 <@Catonic> when I was partitioning, I found it dropped some 57K thingie into the output of parted
04:50 <@Catonic> yeah, I remember changing a partition type. I had to figure out exactly how the boss wanted a FC LUN setup...
04:50 <@Catonic> drop a partition table on it, then set the FS type appropriately..
04:51 <@Catonic> that way, if the LUN wound up somewhere else by accident, it could be identified... otherwise it'd look blank.
04:52 <@Catonic> that wasn't too bad, until the boss emailed me asking me why the lun was mounted r/w on both servers, and I told him I didn't have any information otherwise, nor did the ticket describe a single lun. It looked like a pair of luns.
04:53 <@Catonic> then the developer fesses up that only one was requested, and no, it's not supposed to be r/w on both systems, and $system can be unmounted for now.
04:53 <@Catonic> bit i digress.
04:54 <@Evilpig> nice.
04:55 <@Catonic> so here's what I've learned... Nagios is nice, Nagios is great. But Zabbix is the shit.
04:55 <@Catonic> however, zabbix requires an order of magnitute more time/effort to switch into. And when you've got an enterprise Nagios installation, it's like re-inventing the wheel.
04:56 <@Catonic> Moving Nagios from a dual 900 to a dual dual-core 2.8GHz xeon...
04:56 <@Catonic> 3.0 load goes to .69.
04:56 <@Evilpig> nice
04:57 <@Evilpig> how does it handle the checks different from nagios to reduce load so much?
04:57 <@Catonic> no, zabbix makes more load
04:57 <@Catonic> I meant just moving nagios...
04:57 <@Catonic> of course, I did that as a forklift upgrade from nagios1 to nagios 3.
04:57 <@Evilpig> oh I read that as nagios was producing load 3 and went to .69 under zabbix
04:58 <@Catonic> added nagiosql as a substitute for fruity
04:58 <@Catonic> zabbix does that sub-second monitoring shit
04:58 <@Catonic> it will tell you how many events it's expecting a second so you can factor accordingly
04:59 <@Catonic> the benefit to zabbix is that you 1) load the client on the remote server. 2) configure the client on the remote server (add hostname and server IP address), walk away.
04:59 <@Catonic> once you configure to monitor something like CPU load, you only have to add a graph to get it to start RRDing it.
05:00 <@Catonic> Add that to a template and now you have RRD graphs of the CPU load across everything in that template group
05:00 <@Catonic> the best part is that -- if you're used to ignoring alarms in Nagios, it doesn't auto-create an incident like OpenNMS does.
05:01 <@Catonic> like nagiosql, it will point-clicky you to death.
05:01 <@Catonic> to be perfectly honest, something like this really needs to be a studied item at the manager with purchasing authority level.
05:02 <@Catonic> because if you're deploying to 50+ systems, it's going to take a man-month to install and customize everything.
05:03 <@Catonic> and fuck the solaris support. It's dodgy at best. The default templates assume that a Solaris system will have an eth0 device, and won't monitor ethernet traffic appropriately.
05:04 <@Catonic> no solaris system ever shipped with an eth0 device. They use discrete device names, like BSD.
05:04 <@Catonic> eri, hme, ce, e1000g1, etc.
05:04 <@Evilpig> isn't that what fedora just changed to with 16?
05:05 <@Catonic> I have no idea. I haven't touched Fedora in forever. I tried to keep it running while running VMWare Server on it. A kernel upgrade broke VMWare, so I went skinny with Debian.
05:06 <@Catonic> Most corporate customers I've come in contact with use some variant of RHEL, so I tell everyone go RHEL or CentOS or go home.
05:06 <@Catonic> Fedora and RHEL are too different to be useful.
05:07 <@Catonic> I basically burned a year waiting to get some php or gd package so I could install fruity on RHEL 4 or 5.
05:07 <@Evilpig> yes but where fedora just went, RHEL will most likely follow
05:07 <@Catonic> In that year, Nagios went from 2.0 to 3.0, which blew my package dependencies all to hell.
05:08 <@Catonic> nagiosql gets the job done, but you still wind up keeping 4D hypermaps or hyper-arrays in your head.
05:10 <@Catonic> Wow. My success as a nagios admin is due to my ability to mentally do multi-dimensional hashing and indexing.
05:49 <@Catonic> best part about going from a uniprocessor system to a Core2Duo: make -j4!
06:05 <@Evilpig> time for you to get some sleep it seems
06:08 <@Catonic> nah, I'll be up until 7pm. then drop.
06:08 <@Catonic> prolly wake up at 11pm or midnight again
06:08 <@Catonic> dstat -Dtotal,sda,hda
06:15 <@Evilpig> I'm finally getting around to adding a contact form to my consulting site
06:17 <@Catonic> I've only had a handful of contacts in the last five years.. I need to up the marketing.
06:18 <@Evilpig> I've not done any other than some stuff for friends and friends of friends.  but my tax shelter is about to run out and I need to at least hit breakeven
06:48 <@Evilpig> well this is a first
06:48 <@Evilpig> opened my beta site in IE and it didn't need any tweaks
07:04 <@Catonic> My site looks the same in all browsers
07:04 <@Evilpig> mine does as well. just normally have to fight with IE to get it to move something a pixel to the left or right
07:04 <@Catonic> Firefox, IE, Chrome, Netscape, Lynx, eLinks...
07:04 <@Evilpig> heh.  lynx.  
07:05 <@Evilpig> add some style, some imagse Catonic 
07:05 <@Catonic> I showed my coworkers Lynx the other day... they were like OMG, you can do that?!
07:05 <@Evilpig> http://beta.wilpig.com/
07:15 <@Catonic> Not bad.
07:15 <@Catonic> Although beta could probably be changed around a bit
07:20 <@Evilpig> i'm playing
07:29 <@Catonic> the bubbles/cloud idea isn't bad, it just looks weird to me to have that part sticking up in the middle
07:29 <@Catonic> your commercial sites look good, simple enough, with enough features.
07:30 <@Corydon76-home> Catonic: don't forget 'links'
07:31 <@Catonic> If you really wanted to sell something special, you'd have a line item option for zoompf optimization
07:31 <@Catonic> Corydon76-home: what do you think eLinks is?
07:32 <@Corydon76-home> Wasn't sure if it was the same or not.  There are more textual browsers than you'd think.  Wasn't timball involved with w3m?
07:33 <@Catonic> my apologies; apparently links and elinks do the same thing but are two different projects with similar support and language.
07:33 <@Evilpig> I get tired of plain sites.  I wanted something out there.  with a weird shape
07:34 <@Catonic> I've drunk a lot in the last five years; I'm lucky I can remember where my car keys are some days
07:34 <@Evilpig> Corydon76-home: I redid that spreadsheet, ALOT.  haev to redo the code with your gadget for the correct billing, etc but I got it working pretty good
07:34 <@Corydon76-home> I saw that.  Looked nice.
07:34 <@Evilpig> need to ensure we have correct shipping options in place on the nash2600 one
07:34 <@Catonic> fair enough, but that's a customer facing site. Put that kind of layout on your own site, make the customer site snap/sizzle/marketingpukespeak
07:35 <@Evilpig> I can still tweak the style sheet to make it look better but wasn't going to put forth the effort until we were sure we want to go that route
07:35 <@Evilpig> good point.  there is also, fuck those guys.  I only need to make about $2k a year for it to turn a small profit and cover expenses
07:35 <@Evilpig> headed home
07:37 <@Catonic> are you 3 shift?
07:37 <@Corydon76-home> At some point, we may end up doing  a fully customized site.  I was intrigued with Dwolla and their fee structure.
07:38 <@Corydon76-home> Catonic: he's second shift... a 12-hour shift
07:42 <@Catonic> holy shit
07:42 <@Catonic> 3 on 4 off I guess?
07:46 <@Corydon76-home> I think that's right.
07:48 <@Corydon76-home> He said he gets overtime every other week, so I think that's 84 hours every two weeks.  (3 days one week, 4 the other)
08:01 <@Catonic> well, yeah but 4 hours... is it worth it?
08:02 <@Corydon76-home> I think it's actually 8 hours, due to DOL regulations
08:05 <@Corydon76-home> http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/workhours/overtime.htm
08:39 <@NotLarry> 2on2off3on2off2on3off
08:39 <@NotLarry> loop that
08:39 <@NotLarry> I think
08:40 <@NotLarry> and pig works 2nd/3rd shift
08:45 < RedDingDawn> Mornin
08:54 <@NotLarry> yup
08:54 <@NotLarry> anyone here use kvm?
09:25 <@Evilpig> Catonic: the OT is meh. I get 1 hour one week and 3 the next.  this check I think I will have 1 hr and 7 hrs of OT cause I have to go in tomorrow for a meeting which is a 4h min
09:27 <@Evilpig> Corydon76-home: I can do the fully custom checkout system now.  the cost comes down to us having to buy an ssl cert plus up our hosting plan to allow for the ssl.
09:28 <@Corydon76-home> That works for me.  Before looking at Google checkout, I was considering an ec2 instance for the purpose
09:28 <@Evilpig> for me it comes down to just what do we really get out of it that we don't have now?  is it worth the extra cost and effort?
09:29 <@Corydon76-home> Actually, I think we're going to save a significant amount of CC fees by doing it
09:30 <@Corydon76-home> We pay $60/year just for the privilege of being a CC merchant right now
09:30 <@Evilpig> through click and pledge?
09:30 <@Corydon76-home> Right
09:31 <@Corydon76-home> Google checkout is break-even for just the CAP rates themselves at $20/transaction.
09:31 <@Evilpig> If you have time to do a quickie cost analysis between cap and writing our own through the google checkout / paypal checkout / something else.    I'll do the work, it's no biggie for me
09:32 <@Corydon76-home> I'll work on it.  I should have some figures by the December 2nd meeting
09:33 < RedDingDawn> if anyone needs me to take an intergral of something. let me know
09:33 <@Corydon76-home> and close to an EOY statement, barring any costs in December
09:33 <@brimstone> RedDingDawn: do you do derivatives too?
09:34 < RedDingDawn> Yep, but i can't do alegbra
09:35 <@Evilpig> we shouldnt have anything.  all the bills from francis you have, then we have the dreamhost and mailbox stuff.
09:35 < RedDingDawn> So i could calculate how your costs will exponintially soar
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09:46 <@NotLarry> brimstone: I want to pass control of my p54 (usb wifi) to a vm under KVM.  Ubuntu is the host, the firmware is installed and ubuntu does see it as wlan1.  I've got KVM starting at boot (I think) and have been using virt-manager to create vm.
09:48 <@brimstone> i'm not seeing an option in kvm to pass in usb or pci devices
09:48 <@brimstone> i know xen can do pci devices, and vbox can do usb devices
09:52 <@NotLarry> the commandline is -usbdevice and monitor command is usb_add, but I don't know how to use either of those:)
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09:52 <@NotLarry> reading the fm now:(
09:54 <@brimstone> you sure that's not for fake usb devices?
10:01 <@NotLarry> from the kvm irc "-usbdevice host:vendor_id:product_id" and the manual online says the same thing, only works with linux hosts
10:01 <@NotLarry> http://wiki.qemu.org/download/qemu-doc.html#usb_005fdevices
10:02 <@brimstone> ah, i missed that reading over the man
10:02 <@brimstone> cool
10:02 <@brimstone> you can pass by bus addr too
10:05 <@NotLarry> still not sure hot to implement it. have not even figure out how to get the vendor_id:product_id,  the site I'm reading has a qemu prompt and used info usb, but my usb does not show up in info
10:06 <@brimstone> lsusb -n should show it
10:06 <@brimstone> just lsusb, no -n
10:06 <@brimstone> that's for lspci
10:06 <@brimstone> it's the 4 hex:4 hex
10:09 <@NotLarry> roger roger
10:10 <@NotLarry> damn, nothing to drink in the house but coffee, water and whiskey.
10:10 <@NotLarry> Guess I know how this day is going to go.
10:10 <@opticron> like a baws
10:10 <@brimstone> gonna coffee up your whiskey?
10:11 <@Corydon76-home> I hear pickle juice is a great mixer
10:18 <@NotLarry> I see, it is a qemu-monitor-command
11:00 <@NotLarry> brimstone: Thanks for the help - http://i.imgur.com/iKVyG.jpg
11:00 <@Dagmar> FFS.
11:01 <@Dagmar> Yeah I'm going outside to have a smoke.
11:01 <@NotLarry> What now?
11:01 <@NotLarry> by the trashcan?  I love the smoking area the provde you.
11:01 <@NotLarry> Junkies down at the mission got a cleaner place to shootup.
11:02 <@brimstone> NotLarry: neat
11:02 <@Dagmar> It beats listening to managers ramble on on their way to postponing updates to a properly set up system for another fucking year.
11:02 <@NotLarry> so, that is bt running an old linksys -g usb wifi
11:03 <@Dagmar> Seriously, for fucks sake this shit's not been updated in almost a calendar year, and they want to get excited about doing shit in the middle of a Saturday
11:03 <@NotLarry> What I am reading says that so far you can't put that in the xml so not sure if I can implement that without running it at the command line.
11:04 <@Dagmar> I'm going to enjoy contacting the LDAP admins in the middle of the night for them to validate that the services are running.
11:04 <@NotLarry> now to try to remember what I did for later when the whiskey and the coffee wear off
11:06 <@NotLarry> Nothing to take but xanax, ambien and prednisone, I can see how this day is going to end.
11:10 <@NotLarry> off to bed, night all
11:34 <@CNwaV> Holy shit... A chuck norris world of warcraft commercial
11:34 <@CNwaV> http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2011/11/21/chuck-norris-joins-wow-ad-campaign/comment-page-2/
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12:02 <@NotLarry> brimstone: seems virt-manager saw the usb just fine and let me give it to the vm.
12:02 <@NotLarry> just have to install the firmware on the vm and it works.  Maybe I can just put it in the iso.  mmm
12:02 <@NotLarry> oh fuck, I forgot to turn off my wow account.
12:03 <@NotLarry> yup , just subscribed for another month.  Looks like I will have to start playing.
12:06 <@NotLarry> Ok, had to sell mine to feed the family earlier this year.  If anyone sees one for <$250 let me know plox...
12:06 <@NotLarry> http://5z8.info/uniqueinvestmentopportunity_e7m2yk_how-to-stop-immigration-for-good.pdf
12:10 <@NotLarry> Guess I need to go to sleep soon.  Think I should go ask laughing boy to share the whiskey?
12:11 <@CNwaV> Drinking bad
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13:24 <@Dagmar> Anyone know what font is used for "to protect and serve"?
13:33 <@brimstone> whatthefont.com
13:33 <@Dagmar> Not a bad idea
13:34 <@Dagmar> Basically, what I'm going to do is put "...to protect and serve corporate personhood" atop http://twitpic.com/7h4j6y/full
13:35 <@Dagmar> Oh wait, I remember this iste.
13:35 <@Dagmar> Yeah that site won't work.  At any rate, all I need to do is get close.  1001fonts.com has something I'm sure
13:49 <@brimstone> do you have enough letters to copy and paste?
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14:02 <@Dagmar> I can't even find a good picture of the damn text at the moment
14:02 <@Dagmar> At any rate, i'm an old hand at faking this shit
14:13 <@Catonic> jesus
14:15 <@Catonic> Hey Dag, check fb.
14:26 <@Dagmar> Why
14:45 <@Evilpig> Corydon76-home: are all the new shirts in the storage building?
14:45 <@Catonic> I did something I never do: posted a picture of my cubical.
14:46 <@Catonic> and all 9 LCDs in one picture.
14:46 <@Evilpig> how many different machines you have in htere?  
14:46 <@Corydon76-home> The PN15 shirts are still at my house
14:46 <@Corydon76-home> I need to find time to take them back to the storage building
14:46 <@Evilpig> k.  i'll swing by later for those two.  I gotta get them sent off
14:47 <@Corydon76-home> "those two"?
14:47 <@Corydon76-home> What sizes/colors?
14:48 <@Evilpig> actually I just need a 2xl black.  I have the xl black
14:48 <@Evilpig> the volunteer shirts
14:48 <@Corydon76-home> Got it
14:49 <@Evilpig> you home now?  gonna hit up game stop this afternoon for the new zelda and I could send stuff off then
14:50 <@Corydon76-home> We don't have any 2xl black left
14:50 <@Evilpig> crud.  we
14:50 <@Evilpig> 've got one set aside i'd swear
14:51 <@Evilpig> lemme dig through my stuff perhaps it got mixed into that
14:51 <@Corydon76-home> I thought you'd taken that one with you.  All I have is general inventory
14:51 <@Evilpig> they were on the table, I thought.  but I could be wrong.
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14:52 <@Corydon76-home> Was it one of the 3 that you collected cash for?
14:52 < RedDingDawn_m> Times are ah changin
14:52 < RedDingDawn_m> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/technology-15817335
14:52 <@Evilpig> nope
14:53 <@Evilpig> I had an xl white, then the two for peter.  m-black and l-black
14:53 <@Catonic> SANS was all over that a week ago
14:54 <@Corydon76-home> Okay, well, I don't have any 2xl black shirts in my possession
14:54 <@Dagmar> Fuckin' OLD news
14:54 <@Dagmar> THere was pastey this morning of screenshots of some other large city's SCADA system even
14:54 <@Corydon76-home> I had one white, but that was bought for Teryl, and it's already been worn
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14:54 <@Evilpig> k  i'll figure something out
14:55 <@Evilpig> I know it was kept out.  just a matter of where 
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17:20 < RangerZ> so who thinks this is one of the best movie quotes of all time? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088000/quotes?qt=qt0456117
17:20 < RangerZ> (revenge of the nerds)
17:21 <@brimstone> i like the "that's my pi" better
17:31 < RangerZ> you just want pie right now
17:31 <@brimstone> i do
17:31 < RangerZ> so it is swaying your vote
17:31 <@brimstone> either type
17:31 < RangerZ> lol
17:33 < RangerZ> for some odd reason Evilpig has been buying a lot of apple pies lately.... wonder if he is combining the two
17:34 <@brimstone> i think it's just part of his condition
17:57 <@NotLarry> you mean his conditional?
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17:58 <@NotLarry> oh well, off to work
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18:29 < RedDingDawn> Takashi: Maybe we should have robster craws.
18:29 < RedDingDawn> Booger: [adjusting his shirt] What the fuck are robster craws?
18:36 < scribbles> what a great movie
18:40 < RedDingDawn> this is true, howver I think that Conan is better
18:41 < RedDingDawn> Mongol General: Hao! Dai ye! We won again! This is good, but what is best in life?
18:41 < RedDingDawn> Mongol: The open steppe, fleet horse, falcons at your wrist, and the wind in your hair.
18:41 < RedDingDawn> Mongol General: Wrong! Conan! What is best in life?
18:41 < RedDingDawn> Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.
18:41 < RedDingDawn> Mongol General: That is good! That is good.
18:50 <@Evilpig> I've been buying pie?  I've got a pumpkin pie.
18:51 < RedDingDawn> I have an urge to play homeworld again
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18:51 < RedDingDawn> I have no pie, but Arctan(oo) gives me 1/4 a pi
18:53 <@Evilpig> if NotLarry realizes I have this pie he's gonna be begging for some.  he loves my granny's pumpkin pie
18:54 < RedDingDawn> XD
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19:02 <@Evilpig> Corydon76-home: ping
19:13 < RangerZ> man this silent walk of shame is pretty pointed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8775ZmNGFY8
19:16 <@Corydon76-home> Evilpig: pong
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19:19 <@Evilpig> will francis do a one off?
19:20 <@Corydon76-home> Only if the shirt is a bad print
19:20 <@Corydon76-home> otherwise, we'd have to pay the setup charges again
19:20 <@mgalgoci> *quark*
19:20 <@Evilpig> k.  I looked through all my stuff and I cannot find what happened to those two shirts.  gonna do one through cafepress and 
19:26 <@Dagmar> proof that Fox is a bogon emitter: http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2011/11/21/fairleigh_dickinson_publicmind_poll_shows_fox_news_viewers_less_informed_on_major_news_stories.html
19:34 < RangerZ> Dagmar: it has been that way for a long time
19:35 < RangerZ> hell the daily show viewers recognized foreign leaders better than any other news show, but thats probably b/c they don't make it boring
19:45 <@Dagmar> Jesus holy christ
19:45 <@Dagmar> SWTOR beta client is 30Gb
19:46 <@Evilpig> damn
19:46 <@mgalgoci> what is SWTOR ?
19:46 <@Dagmar> Star Wars: The Old Repulic
19:46 <@Dagmar> If you even half paid attention you probably managed to score a beta key for this weekend
19:47 <@Dagmar> ...but 30 Gb?  Fucking crazy
19:48 <@Evilpig> my wow directory is 28GB but that is after 7 years and four expansion packs
19:52 <@Dagmar> I've got 48.3Gb free out of the 232 on this partition
19:52 <@Dagmar> Looks like DC Online just got booted
19:55 <@Dagmar> http://windirstat.info/download.html
20:26 <@NotLarry> http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2011/knowless/
20:26 <@NotLarry> oh, damn, I'm late
20:42 <@NotLarry> my impression of 4chan - http://imgur.com/EcYlY
20:45 <@NotLarry> who took all the sharp objects from my lair, er, workspace?
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20:54 < RedDingDawn_m> Yarrr
20:57 <@NotLarry> Ok, I guess I need to log off of reddit.  someone asked "my friends father died of colon cancer yesterday, what do I do?" and I posted "Search the body."
20:57 <@Evilpig> sounds logical
20:59 <@Dagmar> NotLarry: aperson did a good job of keeping that place under control today.  Heh
20:59 <@NotLarry> This place?
20:59 <@Dagmar> NotLarry: check Notch's tweet history starting at about 6am this morning our time.  Heh
20:59 <@Dagmar> Reddit
20:59 <@Dagmar> The drama whores almost whipped up an epic shitstorm over Minecon fallout
21:00 < RedDingDawn_m> Minecon? As in minecraft con?
21:01 <@Dagmar> There was some prickish behaviour from the Yoggscast guys at Minecon which kinda pissed Notch off, and he tweeted something pretty discrete this morning about unnamed parties using the "f-bomb" in front of kids
21:01 <@Evilpig> they have ot learn sometime
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21:01 <@Dagmar> Apparently that got people worried and he had to clarify by specifically pointing out Yoggscast (so that people would stop trying to guess who was in trouble)
21:01 < eryc> that'd be cool if you could tail -f all reddit posts
21:02 <@Dagmar> So... some hours pass, and then about 2-3 our time, Notch lost his temper because apparently he was getting a solid stream of nastygrams from yoggscast fans
21:02 <@Dagmar> THEN he gives actual details of their bad behaviour on Twitter and all hell broke loose
21:02 <@Dagmar> We were like "Holy shit hoold onto your hats"
21:03 <@Dagmar> How it got from point A to point B is pretty clear
21:03 <@Dagmar> Drama whores
21:03 <@Dagmar> I *did* try to warn someone
21:03 <@Dagmar> ...who was kinda thick about it, so screw him.
21:04 <@Dagmar> I dunna think he understands that he should have been hitting people up doing damage control
21:04 <@Dagmar> ...and I'm not talking about Notch
21:05 <@Dagmar> Apparently a large part of the "problem" which wasn't even that big of a problem was that 1) this was the first Minecon so some things were chaotic, and 2) no one remembered to remind the Yoggscast guys that they were going to be presenting in front of a lot of children
21:06 <@Dagmar> ...and the YC guys may have been given an incorrect impression of their role there by IGN people
21:06 <@Dagmar> So they were apparently more than a little primma-donnaish about things as well
21:06 <@Dagmar> ...but ya know... before people could get time to talk to each other about it... drama whores
21:06 < RedDingDawn_m> So someone feeling.in the outs, decides to express his anger.through communicating in house stuff
21:07 <@NotLarry> er, this was the second minecon
21:07 <@Dagmar> No, more like Notch finally blew up after getting a bunch of hate mail from idiot YC fans all day
21:07 <@Dagmar> No, this was the first Minecon
21:07 <@NotLarry> ooooook
21:07 <@Dagmar> ...which they sort of threw together over the last 6-9 months in Vegas
21:08 <@Dagmar> So... with Vegas in the picture, I think some people got the wrong idea
21:08 < RedDingDawn_m> I can take my kid to vegas!?!
21:08 < RedDingDawn_m> Okay d
21:09 <@Evilpig> ummm vegas actually has alot of shit to do with a family
21:09 <@Dagmar> Ye.
21:09 < RedDingDawn_m> Don this is where you learn.to drive
21:09 <@Evilpig> they, being the tourism board, really try to push the family friendly image while down playing hte come and lose all your money aspect
21:09 < RedDingDawn_m> Son
21:09 <@Dagmar> There's a lot of Vegas that's definitely adults only, but it's clearly marked
21:09 <@Dagmar> :)
21:10 <@Dagmar> The rest of it loooves vacationing familiese
21:10 <@Evilpig> mmmm ajax.  I really need to learn javascript so I can utilize this better
21:10 < RedDingDawn_m> I love vacationing housewives
21:13 <@NotLarry> I try to but the screams are distratcting
21:16 <@NotLarry> Dagmar: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/MineCon
21:16 < aestetix> hey
21:17 < aestetix> any suggestions on a good non-godaddy domain name registrar?
21:17 <@NotLarry> morning
21:17 <@Evilpig> netsol
21:17 <@Dagmar> Fifty whole people.
21:17 <@Evilpig> just don't pay the web price
21:17 <@Dagmar> Also not organized by Notch
21:17 < aestetix> Evilpig: a good one
21:17 <@Evilpig> aestetix: at least with netsol you own your domain
21:17 < aestetix> Evilpig: there's a non-web price?
21:17 <@Evilpig> fuck yeah
21:17 < aestetix> is that by going the email method?
21:18 <@Evilpig> dude I refuse to pay anymore than $9 a year for any domain
21:18 < aestetix> IE I remember registering my first domain name by email
21:18 <@Evilpig> I have a back lines number for that
21:18 < aestetix> what's the non-web method you do for netsol?
21:18 <@Dagmar> Ring a ding ding
21:18 <@Evilpig> gold support number.  lemme get it for you
21:18 < aestetix> sweet
21:18 < aestetix> I just set up a cloud server in iceland
21:19 < aestetix> setting up a mail server and some other stuff there
21:19 < eryc> nice
21:19 < aestetix> yeah greenqloud.com
21:19 < aestetix> it's relatively new
21:19 <@Evilpig> if they give you any shit about it.  let me know and i'll reg whatever you need and transfer to you
21:20 < aestetix> ok
21:20 < aestetix> also, I'm willing to host email for anyone who doesn't want the US government snooping on their email
21:20 < eryc> i use joker.com dor dns
21:20 <@Dagmar> I sort of enjoy the idea of the feds slogging their way through all the crap mail I don't read
21:21 <@NotLarry> k
21:21 < aestetix> I don't trust rackspace or aws either
21:21 <@NotLarry> sounds legit
21:21 <@Dagmar> If/when I give a shit, I just use gpg
21:21 < aestetix> so I figure, why not set up free email hosting in iceland and hook up all my friends
21:21 < eryc> ive been using joker.com for a decade
21:22 < RedDingDawn_m> Thats 10 years!
21:22 <@Dagmar> ...and since I am a generally paranoid motherfucker, I haven't even used gpg for anything that would be outside the realm of "boring"
21:23 <@Dagmar> Still, this is a good idea you've got
21:23 < aestetix> Dagmar: the problem with that is that the feds could still get your email, even if it's gpg encrypted
21:24 < aestetix> and if you have a ton of email that's gpg encrypted.... the NSA could in theory do differential cryptanalysis on it
21:24 <@Dagmar> It's only a matter of time before certain corporations get upset enough about Occupy that they start pulling people's email
21:24 < RedDingDawn_m> I approve/support this product and or.service.
21:24 < aestetix> Whereas with this, they will have to go through a lot of trouble for it
21:24 <@Dagmar> aestetix: This is the entertaining nature of my encrypted mail
21:24 < aestetix> I mean, PRQ is another good place, given that Wikileaks and TPB hosts with them
21:24 <@Dagmar> They might spend a shitload of money in CPU time just to find out that I discuss electronic music.
21:24 < aestetix> But I want to support iceland because Birgitta just came out strongly against the USG for the twitter case
21:24 <@Dagmar> ...and occasionally weather-related items.
21:25 <@Dagmar> It's decidedly non-trivial in CPU time to be cracking GPG-encrypted mail.
21:25 <@Dagmar> As far as I know the threat of bombs or international cartels need to be involved somewhere in there to get it signed off on
21:25 < aestetix> well, I am making the assumption that the NSA has a lot of power at their disposal
21:25 < aestetix> So I like making things extra hard for them to get ahold of
21:25 <@Dagmar> Oh I'm sure they do.  I've seen some of their RFPs
21:26 <@Dagmar> So being a generally paranoid motherfucker, I tend to take things like that offline
21:26 < aestetix> sure
21:26 <@Dagmar> If necessary, in a moving car on the interstate with an electronic noise generator going and cell phones dismantled
21:27 <@Evilpig> aestetix: that does remind me.  I need to try to transfer all the se2600 domains...  again
21:28 < RedDingDawn_m>  I can hear what you say through your root.canal
21:28 <@Dagmar> Covert channels of communication are best when they're ad-hoc
21:30 <@Evilpig> 5 domains set for transfer, again, at $8.99 each
21:30 <@NotLarry> gl
21:31 <@Evilpig> he swore the other morning at breakfast he'd approve them this time
21:31 <@Dagmar> HAHAHA
21:31 <@NotLarry> yeah, yeah, the check is in the mail, I promise not to cum in your mouth, etc...
21:31 <@Dagmar> "To simulate a launch environment, testers who have accepted new invites to weekend testing will gain testing access in staggered intervals based on when their invites were accepted."
21:31 <@Dagmar> Who the hell are they kidding... "staggered" and "release" in the same sentence
21:32 <@Dagmar> er... s/release/launch/
21:32 <@NotLarry> feels like it is time for coffee
21:32 <@Evilpig> I think you're just making excuses
21:33 < RedDingDawn_m> So I paid for minecraft.and can't play it?
21:33 <@NotLarry> right.
21:33 < RedDingDawn_m> I call shananigans!
21:34 <@Dagmar> Auth looks up to me
21:34 <@NotLarry> it sounds like an error in the wetware
21:37 <@NotLarry> minecraft logged in just fine from here
21:44 < aestetix> admittedly
21:44 < aestetix> the one problem with getting hosting in a european country
21:44 < aestetix> is that you get support on european time, which usually means 9-5 GMT
21:45 <@Evilpig> can someone tell me what notlarry is doing in minecraft?  or trying to show me?
21:45 <@NotLarry> a bazillion dogs
21:45 <@NotLarry> fucking dogs everywhere
21:46 <@Evilpig> I noticed that much.  what server was that?
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21:52 <@NotLarry> angry
21:53 <@NotLarry> just fired up a world a couple of days ago
21:58 <@NotLarry> sigh
21:59 <@Evilpig> I upgraded wilpig.org to the 1.0 and fixed all teh bukkit stuff as well
21:59 <@Evilpig> that's the old world from ackis
21:59 <@Dagmar> Yeah, so... 1.0 uses the new engines for everything.
22:00 <@Dagmar> You'll see a LOT more animals in some biomes
22:00 <@Dagmar> If you want to eat, your best bet is actually to set up shop next to a swamp
22:00 <@Dagmar> Cows pigs and sheep loove spawning in swamps
22:00 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: I'll be tearing down the eggdome and rebuilding it better soon
22:01 <@Dagmar> These new bricks are pretty
22:01 <@Evilpig> I need to mess with my spawner a bit more
22:01 <@Evilpig> but I think i have it to where it should be churning out a good bit
22:01 <@Evilpig> including ender pearls
22:02 <@Dagmar> I have to break into the spawner I farmed out and redo the ceiling
22:25 < aestetix> wow
22:25 < aestetix> greenqloud has a web based console shell that actually works
22:28 < eryc> who wrote it
22:28 <@Bahhumbug> most provider are doing that with ajaxterm these days.
22:29 <@Bahhumbug> s/provider/providers/
22:32 < aestetix> let me check
22:32 < aestetix> all I know is that linode and rackspace's console shells suck
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23:17 <@Evilpig> nifty.  I have hulu working through my media player now
23:28 <@am1n0> theres this really neat shell
23:28 <@am1n0> called 'ssh'
23:28 <@CNwaV> Wurd
23:33 <@CNwaV> Omg, I just found the coolest webpage, www.youtube.com
23:33 <@am1n0> what do you do on it
23:34 <@CNwaV> I think people take pictures of themselves holding tubes
23:34 <@am1n0> word up
23:34 <@am1n0> i might have to go and do that now
23:36 <@Evilpig> NotLarry has a tube you can hold
23:36 <@Evilpig> I hear he'll even give you candy for doing it
23:36 <@am1n0> ill have to pass on that one
23:37 <@Evilpig> you sure?  he's got full sized snicker bars
23:37 <@am1n0> hm
23:37 <@am1n0> i gotta say, it's a compelling offer
23:38 <@am1n0> only if i can post a video of me doing it on this youtube
23:38 <@CNwaV> Have him pick up some twix, then we can talk
23:38 <@Evilpig> he does like to see himself on the internets
23:56 <@am1n0> win-win scenario, that
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