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00:00 < rangerz> so the browns just have never recovered(rebuilt) after fucking art modell moved the browns teams to baltimore
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00:19 < rangerz> juxtapose that with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cucIl4x0yJU&feature=related where this is a highlight reel, but the game pretty much felt like this video, just the steelers getting their butts handed to them in flashy ways most of the game
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06:10 <@Evilpig> did NotLarry go home early last night?
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06:17 <@VampirePenguin> how did the con go
06:26 <@Evilpig> very good
06:26 <@VampirePenguin> cool
06:27 <@VampirePenguin> i wish i could have made it
06:27 <@Evilpig> so do we.  but it's all good.
06:27 <@VampirePenguin> severe money shortage
06:28 <@Evilpig> that is a common problem.
06:28 <@VampirePenguin> ya well the va decided i pay copays now so that is 15% of my income for the year... close to my rent
06:30 <@VampirePenguin> do you know anything about openvpn?
06:30 <@Evilpig> yar
06:31 <@Evilpig> I use it when i'm at work and need to work on the PN stuff cause ftp is mucked up there
06:31 <@VampirePenguin> i can connect fine with a tunnel but i can only access http sites and not https/ssl/tls
06:31 <@VampirePenguin> servers terminate
06:31 <@Evilpig> strange.  it shouldn't be picky.  what does the server log say?
06:31 <@VampirePenguin> nothing
06:32 <@VampirePenguin> it shows a perfect connection
06:32 <@Evilpig> are you sure you're ocnnected right?  what do you get when you hit whatismyip.com?
06:32 <@VampirePenguin> i get the server im connecting too
06:32 <@VampirePenguin> say canada
06:32 <@VampirePenguin> i actually get a canada ip
06:33 <@Evilpig> not sure.  I had to mess with mine for a while til I got the options just right then it just works
06:33 <@VampirePenguin> the funny thing is irc is ssl connected and i have no problem there
06:35 <@VampirePenguin> router is fine and forwarded, firewall is fine, hosts.allow/deny is fine... sshd is firing up too
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06:43 < CNwaV_lappy> evilpig, are you doing active or passive ftp?
06:44 <@Evilpig> both
06:44 <@Evilpig> connection to the ftp behind my firewall is active.  conection through the firewall to the hosting server is passive
06:48 < CNwaV_lappy> holy crap... cartoon network was on... just caught the end of a commercial for jungle speed
06:48 <@Evilpig> lol
07:09 <@CNwaV> Grrr I hate having to support for mac... I need to buy one
07:19 <@CNwaV> -for
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09:00 <@the_hugme> anyone have suggestions for a good network graphing and analyzing tool? something I can hand my tcpdumps to  and have it tell me who is talking to what and how much bandwidth they are using
09:00 <@brimstone> maybe etherape can play back tcpdumps?
09:00 <@brimstone> or ntop?
09:01 <@Husky> ether rape
09:01 <@brimstone> one r
09:01 <@Husky> i know
09:01 <@brimstone> ethe rape
09:01 <@Husky> but i read it
09:01 <@Husky> and think that
09:01 <@the_hugme> yeah, I've got etherape... but I need more of "what are the top 10 abusers of the network" type information
09:01 <@Husky> ima rape your ethers
09:02 <@the_hugme> wireshark does some of that but it's less robust if your looking at things other than web traffic
09:03 <@the_hugme> I don't think you can give a tcpdump to ntop, I think it's live traffic only.. but I'll check
09:05 <@brimstone> heh, can you cat a pcap file to an ethernet device?
09:05 <@brimstone> that'll mess up your times though
09:05 <@the_hugme> wireshark has a replay function
09:05 <@the_hugme> if you want to replay traffic
09:06 <@the_hugme> wow, ntop is a LOT different than what I remember...
09:25 <@benthemeek> evilpig: whatismyip.com is so last year, Just do a google search for "IP" now. http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2011/10/google-shows-your-ip-address.html
09:33 <@Husky> whats an ip
09:33 <@Dickie> some hacking program
09:34 <@opticron> something you do in the bathroom
09:34 <@Husky> google is lame for not supporting the "my ipv6" search
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10:06 <@benthemeek> Rattle mentioned application whtie sourcing in his talk. Can anyone recommend a product for that?
10:06 <@benthemeek> white listing* rather
10:10 <@rattle> benthemeek: bit9.com
10:14 < aestetix> Oh man
10:14 < aestetix> I love how Google just changed the nymwars again, after my talk
10:14 <@benthemeek> rattle: Thanks, now I have to convince my boss we need it
10:15 < aestetix> The best part is that they are now recommending having two accounts on G+
10:16 <@rattle> I suggest the RogueAV argument.  If you ever have RogueAV getting past your anti-virus and popping up in your organization, it's the canary in the coal mine letting you know you are susceptible to far worse.
10:16 < aestetix> But yeah. It's pretty obvious to me that Google is trying to take over the TLD namespace. Rather than get a dotcom, just register your company setup with Google Plus, and people can Google for +Companyname
10:23 <@oddball> rattle: I always love the support calls where people want admin access because the antivirus is constanntly pestering them for updates.
10:25 <@benthemeek> That does bring up an interesting question
10:26 <@benthemeek> I take away admin access for my users but they do constantly need my intervention for flash updates, java updates etc
10:26 <@benthemeek> Do you all use something specific to give programs the abilty to update without nagging the users ?
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10:31 <@Dagmar> How the fuck is that "taking over" TLD space
10:32 <@Dagmar> benthemeek: When you actually do your job and test them in the testbed network, you flag the updates as kosher.
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10:33 <@rattle> benthemeek: MS has solutions like SCCM and SCE for pushing out software updating using group policy.  There are other solutions like Tivoli..
10:34 <@oddball> benthemeek: Yeah... that was a change I made at my last job shortly after I came on board.  Before that, everyone in the building had admin rights over their boxes.  My boss (a non-techie) resisted the change until I had to take 6 machines out of production in the span of 2 days.
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10:35 <@rattle> App whitelisting like bit9 does understand updaters for a number of apps, and will not block them..  But all the OS level concerns are still in play.
10:35 <@rattle> In the end, nothing is a substitution for good central control of software deployment.
10:36 <@oddball> Yeah... any good admin has basically been doing whitelisting already.  It's just been at the human level instead of code.
10:45 <@benthemeek> Thanks for the info, and the insult Dagmar ;) We went AD not too long ago and the process of locking the machiens down is still a work in progress. Removing the admin rights seemed like a no brainer but the software updates are driving the help desk crazy
10:47 <@Dagmar> Well, dude, the primary problem is that we've got an epic issue with people trying to just delegate all their responsibility to someone else, which is why people spend even a fucking nickle on blacklist technology anymore
10:47 <@Dagmar> There is far *less* work involved in whitelisting, and yet time and time again, since it's very easy to just say "derp well the antivirus software failed" and suddenly it's all "Not My Fault"...
10:48 <@Dagmar> ...fuckers basically just sign off on a licence for blacklist antivirus and consider the matter handled.
10:48 <@Dagmar> This in the face of repeated and chronic failures of blacklisting.
10:48 <@benthemeek> Its a really good point
10:48 <@Dagmar> It really all comes down to "Is someone adminning or are they merely sitting atop the wagon flapping the reins every so often"
10:48 <@benthemeek> In your opinion would soemthgin like bit9 replace an antivirus?
10:49 <@Dagmar> It is at the present time the correct approach
10:49 <@benthemeek> Of course hippa laws would probalys till prevent me
10:49 <@Dagmar> We have FAR less software that would make it onto a whitelist now
10:49 <@Dagmar> The number of things to check against a database is a shitload smaller than the things you woudln't want to approve
10:53 <@benthemeek> Rattle: I assume you leave your users with admin rights to their  boxes, but use bit9 to keep them from launching anything they shouldn't?
10:57 <@oddball> I want an application that will not only block people from installing cutesy smiley face IM plugins, but smash their hands with a hammer for trying.
11:02 <@benthemeek> btw- for any of you in the nashville area. Nashville Linux User Group meets tonight
11:02 <@Dagmar> Yeah let me know when they stop coddling the fucking BSD people, among other things
11:03 <@Dagmar> It's not useful to have them fucking leaping into the fray with "Oh here's the BSD way of doing shit and you only need a MS in CS to run it it's so easy" every time you turn around
11:04 <@Dagmar> If they want to masturbate to their own cleverness, they should do it in their own LUG where it won't run new Linux users off.
11:05 <@benthemeek> Dagmar: You mean Nlug? If there are those like that they have left the group. Usually its stuff in Ubuntu e mess with. I haven't heard a discussion on BSD in a while
11:05 <@oddball> Bah, yet another thing that I would like to do on a Tuesday night.  Going to have to pass. :/
11:06 <@Dagmar> benthemeek: Thank god
11:07 <@rattle> benthemeek: There are very few instances I let users have admin rights.
11:07 <@benthemeek> I saw an article about how Mint has passed Ubuntu in site site visits ro something today. I have never so much as tried the live disk
11:08 <@Dagmar> That's probably got a lot to do with Mint users need lots of hand-holding
11:08 <@rattle> The good thing about application whitelisting isn't just that it will stop a user from installing something...  But that it will also stop things that OS permissions don't.  Like Java, Flash, Adobe Reader, etc dropping executables when being exploited.
11:08 <@benthemeek> Rattle: I really just need to get my ducks in a row to understanding services that allow certain programs to update themselves while still keeping admin rights out of the hands of the users than
11:08 <@Dagmar> rattle; Exactly
11:09 <@Dagmar> Dude, it works like this
11:09 <@Dagmar> You buy a house.
11:09 <@Dagmar> You can put locks on the doors, sure, but they're not very smart.
11:09 <@rattle> When managing a global whitelist, you are only concerned with the apps in the whitelist not being malware.  While you can use it to achieve software compliance, I don't think it's the right method to do that.
11:09 <@Dagmar> You can hire a security guard to keep people from stealing your shit, and there's both a higher level of functionality and marginally increased attention overhead that goes along with it.
11:10 <@rattle> Like, you might have Photoshop whitelisted..  But not want Photoshop on all machines because of licensing concerns.
11:10 <@Dagmar> If you tell your security guard to only let your friends and family in, that's a whitelist.
11:10 <@Dagmar> If you tell your security guard to not let any known felons in, your shit will be stolen in a week.
11:10 <@Dagmar> THAT is a blacklist.
11:10 <@rattle> In that case, you want to use something like SCCM to actually do the software deployment and tracking...  And Bit9 simply to be a hedge against unwanted binaries/apps working their way into the environment.
11:10 <@Dagmar> An updater not screwing up a whitelist solution is not a big deal.
11:11 <@benthemeek> SCCM = System Center Configuration Manager?
11:12 <@rattle> Plus, if you are doing centralized software deployment and updating, you've also got a central location to add things to your whitelist, which lowers the management overhead of maintaining it.
11:12 <@rattle> benthemeek: Yep.
11:12 <@Dagmar> The whitelist knows the updater app is allowed to write to an otherwise protected space.
11:12 <@Dagmar> It'll have (in theory) a new signature for the new application that will be written.
11:12 <@Dagmar> If it doesn't, you can still assign trust based on that you are assuming the updater isn't going to deliberately install malware
11:13 <@Dagmar> Browser plugins are the biggest hassle, and they're not really much of a hassle
11:13 <@Dagmar> Shit tries to fork a new process that hasn't done it before?  BLOCKED.  Shit tries to write to somewhere outside your cache?  BLOCKED.
11:14 <@rattle> Browser plugins are a great example of something that OS policy usually isn't going to catch, but application whitelisting will.
11:14 <@Dagmar> I'm not joking when I say Comodo has saved my bacon a shitload of times
11:14 <@Dagmar> Those ad.fly people are crooked as fuck
11:14 <@benthemeek> Thanks for the info. I already have made an appointment with my boss to put this on next years goals
11:15 <@Dagmar> I am simply not dumb enough to believe that a website ever has a legit reason to hand me a PDF for a banner ad
11:15 <@rattle> Another nice thing about application whitelisting...  It's cheap.
11:15 <@Dagmar> ...especially when said PDF tries to spawn a new child process.
11:15 <@rattle> At least in comparison to other effective stuff, like fireeye.
11:15 <@benthemeek> My boss will love to hear that
11:16 <@rattle> It's a per-seat cost, and reasonable, so it's easy to factor into the TCO for each workstation.
11:16 <@rattle> And licenses are perpetual, unlike most AV, so you can treat it as capex rather than opex.
11:16 <@rattle> At least with Bit9.
11:17 <@benthemeek> Dagmar: I think I am going to use yoru analogy of "tell the security guard to keep out convicted felons vs letting in friends and family" in my meeting
11:17 <@rattle> Yeah, that's a good analogy.
11:18 <@rattle> I can assure you, app whitelisting works.  It's a good strategy.
11:19 <@rattle> As far as budget goes, it's about the cost of a nice mouse per workstation.
11:19 <@benthemeek> that is great
11:20 <@benthemeek> I have 250 at coprorate and about 2000 workstations in the field I will need it for
11:21 <@benthemeek> The 2000 in the field aren't even on a domain yet, if that gives you an idea of how far behind we are
11:22 <@rattle> Reach out to the Bit9 folks about doing a demo.  They let you deploy the stuff and play with it...
11:22 <@Dagmar> If people arne't spending their time downloading new cursors, they're generally going to find whitelisting less hassle
11:23 <@Dagmar> ...because it's not a bad rule of thumb to go find someone who can read when the rare "something weird is happening" dialog box appears
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11:24 <@rattle> Any system running Bit9 will need to be able to phone-home to it's central server to get whitelist updates..  Keep that in mind.
11:24 <@Dagmar> ...and beyond that you can pretty much assume if it had to ask, then it's not something you've done before and therefore evil
11:25 <@Dagmar> With Comodo (and I imagine Bit9 as well) apps that have a well-known set of things they do, it becomes a lot easier because the answer is almost always "NO"
11:25 <@benthemeek> I think I can swing that, I have spend the past two years getting every site set up with a vpn into the home office
11:25 <@rattle> Anytime alerts fire, it all makes it back to the central console..  So it's not like you need to dispatch someone to the machine to figure out what happened.
11:26 <@rattle> Hell, I review stuff from my iPad usually.
11:26 <@Dagmar> Yeah with the centralziation that issue of strange warnings has got to be a lot simpler
11:28 <@benthemeek> Thanks again guys
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11:31 <@rattle> A group of about 75 OccupyDC protestors just marched past my office.  Sweet.
11:54 < aestetix> You know
11:55 < aestetix> I'm still not sure what occupy is about.
11:55 <@Dagmar> It's about "rich people took all the shit"
11:55 <@Dagmar> ...and "rich people continue to take all the shit"
11:56 <@Dagmar> ...and "rich people buy their way out of going to jail for shit"
11:56 <@Dagmar> ...and "rich people's morals are shit"
11:56 <@Dagmar> ...and "rich corporations that think they are people are shit"
11:56 <@Dagmar> Really man.  There's people with signs running all the fuck over the place.
11:56 <@Dagmar> Read some of them.
11:56 <@Dagmar> It's not one or two ideas that have people riled up.
11:57 <@Dagmar> It's a whole SHITLOAD of things that have piled up over time because rich people have basically been consistently fucking over the entire country for like two decades now
11:57 < aestetix> Dagmar: yeah, I'm not disagreeing with that.
11:57 <@Dagmar> Just the issue of Glass-Steagall alone shoud have people running around with pitchforks and actual torches
11:58 < aestetix> It just seems like there's a call to regroup and create a better system. I am hoping it works.
11:58 <@Dagmar> ...because the people who asked for it are essentially the same people who needed the fucking bailout.
11:58 <@Dagmar> No, I think that will fail.
11:58 <@Dagmar> THe entire thing hinges on that at some level, "rich people" are going to stop and do the right thing and get society back on track.
11:59 <@Dagmar> This, to me, is phenomenally fucking naive.
11:59 <@Dagmar> Those shits who stood on their balcony pouring champagne to each other in full view of the Occupy Wall Street people are a perfect example of that.
11:59 < aestetix> I do find it painfully ironic that Russ Feingold was voted out of office, losing to someone who jumped into the race in the last few weeks and basically bought his way in.
12:00 <@Dagmar> What's going to happen tho, is that at some people the Occupy protestors are going to pass a critical mass and then start *burning shit*
12:00 < aestetix> As Feingold was one of the main proponents of campaign finance reform that would have prevented that
12:00 <@Dagmar> That is, unless rich people pull enough strings to have cops go all thuggy and chase everyone away saying "FUck your freedom of speech.  Rich people own it now"
12:01 <@Dagmar> The 1% are going to continue to ignore the problem until they are dinner.
12:01 < aestetix> It sounds like a lot hangs on what the police do.
12:01 <@Dagmar> At this point, yeah
12:01 <@Dagmar> ...which is a little insane.
12:02 < aestetix> Yeah. I was at a legal observer debriefing in Oakland last night
12:02 < aestetix> The lawyers are trying to figure out how to file suit against the police departments, but nobody knows which department did all this stuff
12:02 <@Dagmar> Yeah there's a problem with letting *cops* be anonymous right there
12:02 < aestetix> Well, one tactic the police have been doing
12:03 < aestetix> Is switching out departments very quickly, and having officers from multiple departments standing next to each other
12:03 <@Dagmar> Somehow, in full view of a dozen of his coworkers, someone throws a concussion grenade into a knot of people, and no one sees it
12:03 < aestetix> So they launch tear gas, which creates a big cloud so nobody can see, and then they start shooting people
12:03 < aestetix> And nobody knows who department shot the people because there were like five of them
12:03 <@Dagmar> ...and basically, all that is terrorism
12:04 < aestetix> Well, that's what they did.
12:04 <@Dagmar> Doing shit like that is what's going to eventually get people worked up to the point that they're ready and willing to burn shit
12:04 < aestetix> Let me put it this way.
12:04 <@Dagmar> Burning shit won't really affect the 1% either, unless we spit roast the rich and serve them in a soup line
12:04 < aestetix> I was probably 20 feet from Scott Olsen before I turned and ran the fuck way, and I couldn't see shit.
12:05 <@Dagmar> Iv'e got some clear lenses on order for my geeky "cyber" goggles
12:06 <@Dagmar> If/when I take to the streets, it's going to take more than a little terrorism to chase me off.
12:06 <@Dagmar> I'm going to stand there and be fucking orderly about it
12:07 <@Dagmar> ...and I'm going to record every fucker who gets near me
12:09 <@Dagmar> Either that or I'll be on a rooftop where no one can fucking get at me, slathering the area in wifi and video coverage
12:09 <@Dagmar> The 1% might be rich, but I'm meaner than all of them put together.
12:10 <@Dagmar> I'm tired of seeing things go to crap because rich people fuck it up through greed
12:10 <@Dagmar> I'm especially tired of the rather one-way nature of the finance system
12:11 <@Dagmar> That much can at least be fixed
12:11 < aestetix> Yeah.
12:12 <@Dagmar> I am not afraid to bust a few heads to stop the bullshit trollery that's going on every time people try to fix it, either
12:12 <@Dagmar> "why do you hate capitalism so much?"
12:12 <@Dagmar> *FACEPUNCH*
12:12 <@Dagmar> Problem solved!
12:16 < aestetix> God.
12:17 < aestetix> I really, really hate michael moore
12:17 < aestetix> It seems like that campaign took off after he said "capitalism needs to go away"
12:36 < scribbles> capitalism doesn't need to go away but its critical to understand that corporations by nature do not have a moral compass
12:36 < scribbles> Apple does not give a flying fuck about pollution in China.
12:36 < scribbles> Goldman Sachs does not give a flying fuck about using their bailout money to hire workers.
12:36 < scribbles> it is antithetical to the bottom line.
12:37 < scribbles> regulation needs to be effective and well thought out, not some dog and pony show where money goes to be burnt and former CEOs are hired to be FDA chiefs.
12:37 < scribbles> so don't expect picket signs to be incredibly logical, as 4 words can't exactly sum up the massive shit pile of problems we are sickened with
12:37 < scribbles> we being the nation
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13:27 <@benthemeek> aestetix:Why do you hate micheal moore?
13:27 <@benthemeek> I mean I know he has an agenda in his films but I'm curious because I would think your own views and his overlap to a certain degree
13:29 < scribbles> benthemeek: generally when I ask that question there is a vague air about the response "i don' tknow he's just a dick" sort of thing
13:30 <@benthemeek> I think he is a bit over the top. He created that whole drama by using police tape on wall street and all that
13:30 <@benthemeek> I for one think capitalism is great on the small scale
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13:31 <@benthemeek> it seems that when we have huge monopolies and corporations who buy and own the politcal process that it begins to fall apart
13:32 <@benthemeek> people argue well that's not capitalism-but I think with out some type of regulation the market will eventually buy politics everytime. It's just the nature of the beast.
13:33 <@benthemeek> I don't think a planned economy etc. will be near as good as the one we have though
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13:40 < aestetix> benthemeek: because he puts out shallow soundbytes that idiot protesters pick up and repeat without questioning
13:41 <@Evilpig> aestetix: but so does every single politician
13:43 <@Corydon76-home> benthemeek: in a pure capitalist society, nobody will go into the military, because there's no profit in it.  WIthout a military, the country is ripe to be overrun by another country.  So a pure capitalist society cannot stand on its own.  You need a combination of capitalist and socialist systems to provide a stable system
13:45 <@Corydon76-home> As usual, the simplistic messages of "Capitalism bad.  Socialism good." and "Capitalism good.  Socialism bad." are not sufficient to produce a workable and lasting governance.
13:45 <@benthemeek> Corydon76-home: That sounds about right. Sound bytes and over simplification does not get us closer to truth
13:46 <@Corydon76-home> Just think what would have happened if our economic collapse and the Soviet collapse had occurred in the reverse order.
13:46 <@benthemeek> In soviet russia, economy collapse you
13:46 <@Evilpig> we'd be able to buy vodka in 2liter plastic bottles now
13:46 < aestetix> Evilpig: this does not improve my opinion of michael moore :p
13:47 <@Evilpig> I wasn't advocating him.  was just pointing out fact
13:48 <@benthemeek> Aestetix: I think he is producing his vision just as hard as the conservative side is producing theirs.
13:48 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: if revolutions were fought entirely by people who had to reason for themselves, we never would have won our independence from Britain.
13:48 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: agreed
13:49 <@benthemeek> I do find bending of facts abhorrent no matter the source though
13:49 <@Dagmar> I like the way the greeks avoided the oligopoly problem
13:49 <@Dagmar> Random lotteries for public service.
13:49 <@Corydon76-home> Again, you don't just need thinkers and you don't just need bodies, you need a combination of the two
13:49 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: Tried that.  Dick Cheney still got out of service in Vietnam.
13:50 <@Dagmar> Not random lotteries for military service
13:50 <@Dagmar> Random lotteries for *political* service
13:51 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: that assumes that everybody would buy a ticket
13:51 <@Dagmar> If your name comes out of the tanned goat stomach, congratulations you're a Senator this month
13:51 <@benthemeek> lol
13:51 <@Dagmar> There were no "buying" of tickets.
13:51 <@Dagmar> If you called yourself a cititzen, your name goes into the stomach bag
13:51 <@Corydon76-home> Consider how many people live off the grid
13:51 < aestetix> Dagmar: effects of public servants who are elected are bad enough
13:52 <@Dagmar> I would argue that it can hardly get much worse if we had them in for short terms
13:52 < aestetix> I don't want to think how bad it would be if someone comes into office and just starts doing really, really stupid things
13:52 <@Dagmar> You mean like voting pro-rape?
13:52 <@Dagmar> ...because we have that *now*
13:52 < aestetix> Although at least the people would have no illusions that the government knows what its doing
13:52 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: that's why you don't have just a single person in charge
13:52 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: well, the USG isn't supposed to have a single person in charge, to begin with
13:53 <@Corydon76-home> The probability that you got 250 assholes at the same time is far less than the current system
13:53 <@Dagmar> The *president* can't get much done because the rest of congress is so entrenched in their own assholes and lobbyists
13:53 < aestetix> So how is that selection process different from jury duty?
13:53 <@Dagmar> Imagine if they weren't able to self-organize to screw up the works
13:53 <@Corydon76-home> Right now, we've got about 300 assholes intentionally in Congress, all at the same time.
13:54 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Lobbyists would have to bribe new people each and every month, for one thing
13:54 <@Corydon76-home> <knock on wood>I've never been called into jury duty
13:54 <@Dagmar> I mean, let's just take a moment to step back and look at the whole "Obamacare" thing
13:55 <@Dagmar> That's both parties, working together, day in and day out, to make a completely unworkable plan filled to the brim with free things for corporate persons
13:55 <@Dagmar> Either it passes and shitloads of money starts flying from tax coffers straight into the hands of the medical insurance industry, in which case the lobbyists earned their keep
13:56 <@Dagmar> ...or it doesn't pass and all of the aforementioned people continue to point at the steaming pile of shit and disclaim all responsibility for it by calling it "Obamacare", implying that Obama is the reason it's a stinking piece of shit.
13:56 <@Dagmar> The only fault I can lay at Obama's feet there is *not showing up to Congress with a baseball bat*
13:57 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: or a wicker cane.
13:57 <@Dagmar> Governmental reform by Louisville Slugger.
13:57 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: Or some "dawgs".  :)
13:57 <@Corydon76-home> I think you missed the reference.
13:57 < aestetix> Dagmar: so let's say you get drafted to be president for a month
13:57 < aestetix> What happens to your job?
13:58 < aestetix> Like, the job you were at before you got drafted
13:58 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: same as the military, job is required to keep your job available
13:58 <@Dagmar> If you became president, would your boss bitch very much?
13:58 <@Dagmar> Note that you're making an invalid comparison anyway
13:58 <@Dagmar> They didn't have a president, they just had a senate
13:58 < aestetix> Ah, ok. So you get drafted into the senate/congress
13:58 <@Dagmar> Yeah
13:59 < aestetix> Dagmar: and I think whether they would bitch depends on what you were doing for them.
13:59 <@Dagmar> ...which is a completely workable thing if you've actually put in the effort to make sure everyone can read and write latin
13:59 < aestetix> Let's say you're a sysadmin and the only person really keeping the company going
13:59 < aestetix> (they know this and pay you well for it)
13:59 < aestetix> And suddenly they lose you for a month
14:00 <@Evilpig> how much time would you really have to sacrifice to perform government service if the job wasn't weighed down in red tape and political posturing?
14:01 <@Evilpig> if it was using a system that the anyman was actually making decisions you would end up with a system of laws that would have to be easily understood by the anyman
14:01 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: you need to look at the laws on the books already.  If you're National Guard and called into service, your employer is REQUIRED to have your job open to you when you return.
14:02 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: Similarly, it's the law that employers are REQUIRED to give time off to families with new children... and have the job still available to them, at the same rate, benefits, etc. when they want to return.
14:03 <@Corydon76-home> So this isn't something new for employers to deal with, just a new circumstance.
14:03 <@Corydon76-home> And the logistics generally mean that people would have advance notice.
14:06 <@Corydon76-home> However, I see an alternate possibility.  Instead of people going into office for a month, have the lottery choose a bank of people every two years to run in the election.  Only those chosen by random lottery are allowed to run.
14:08 <@Corydon76-home> There's a lot of learning curve in learning to legislate properly.  I don't think we should get rid of the 2 and 6-year terms, just change who is allowed to run, and still let the voters decide.  Only those persons who vote are candidates for the lottery.
14:40 <@CNwaV> Thank you google for installing an update without my permission... Awesome
14:41 <@benthemeek> CNwaV: What happened?
14:43 <@CNwaV> Once every blue moon they force an update for certain things... Last time it was tts or stt element, I can understand that... This time it was google books, wtf?
14:44 <@CNwaV> My issue with it is that I have to go research it and make sure that my devices were not compromised...
14:45 <@CNwaV> Crap my lug is tonight
14:47 <@CNwaV> Haha, there are now fake raspberry pi webfronts taking preorders
14:52 <@Dagmar> You should make sure they get lots of pre-orders then
14:52 <@Evilpig> they are sending takedown notices to the fakes
14:53 <@Dagmar> http://www.fakenamegenerator.com/
14:57 <@CNwaV> ###
15:18 < elmwood> let me start by saying phreaknic was awesome. first time to go, but not the last
15:18 < elmwood> I am looking into getting a 2600/lug started in the area and wanted to ask a couple questions
15:19 <@Dagmar> Don't ask to ask.  Just ask.
15:19 <@Dagmar> Asking a question wastes one, and you only get three before we eat you.
15:19 < elmwood> why do you use freenode versus the 2600 network? I was thinking of trying to set a channel up somewhere to get some local communication going
15:20 < elmwood> I was typing all that but take your point
15:21 <@Dagmar> THis is pretty much where we came to a stop
15:21 <@Dagmar> Most of us were already on here for one reason or another
15:22 < elmwood> got it
15:23 <@Evilpig> this was originally on undernet.  we migrated here after it went to shit and all the splits.  but like dagmar said many of us were already on here for one reason or another already
15:24 < elmwood> I am pretty new to irc, so I am bout to learn the hard way, but that is par for the course
15:24 <@Evilpig> elmwood: we're glad to hear you had a good time. we hope to build on this year and make next year better
15:24 < elmwood> doing and breaking got me where I am today
15:24 <@Evilpig> if you're looking to be broken you're in the right place. ;)
15:24 < elmwood> which may be reason enough to review
15:25 < elmwood> not too many pieces and I'm fine
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15:27 <@Evilpig> wow aestetix.  you went on for a while with your talk and you kept hte audience talking.  well done, sir
15:28 < elmwood> thanks and talk to you later
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15:28 < aestetix> Evilpig: thanks
15:28 < aestetix> the identity talk?
15:28 <@Evilpig> yeah
15:28 < aestetix> speaking of identity
15:29 <@Evilpig> i'm chopping up video right now.  well trying to at least.  
15:29 < aestetix> if you go to aestetix.tumblr.com..... you will find porn
15:29 < aestetix> it is not mine.
15:29 < aestetix> Someone registered that account and hosts porn on it
15:29 <@Evilpig> seems that i have another sinus infection working itself in.  about to crawl back in bed and tell the world to suck it for a few more days
15:30 <@Evilpig> at least it is interesting porn, it seems
15:34 <@Evilpig> haha "i'm out of time?  OH, question!"  lol
15:34 < aestetix> how long did the talk actually go?
15:35 <@Evilpig> still working toward the end.
15:35 < aestetix> how long has it been? :p
15:35 <@Evilpig> over an hour fifteen right now
15:35 < aestetix> wow
15:35 <@Evilpig> kinda hard to tell cause I am in the middle of a long single recording that was doen for the entire day.
15:36  * aestetix nods
15:36 <@Dagmar> That Xoom really knows how to burn storage
15:36 <@Evilpig> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rV_qyZ1iA8 I can show that though
15:36 <@Dagmar> One of the videos I made is ludicrously large
15:39 < aestetix> Evilpig: I sense the beginning of the talk was kind of slow, but it did cover important stuff
15:39 <@Evilpig> not sure.  I kinda watch for the real start of it.  then I jump to toward the end and watch for that
15:39 < aestetix> fair enough
15:41 <@Evilpig> at the hour 25 mark now
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15:45 < aestetix> so uh, one suggestion for next year, have someone keeping the time who flashes a ten minute warning :p
15:45 < aestetix> specifically to prevent idiots like me from going overboard :p
15:46 <@Evilpig> there are numerous things we have to address on that.  personally if one of y'all is going and has information to share keeping you contrained to a timeslot seems counterprodutive
15:47 <@Evilpig> well as long as you aren't boring the audience that is
15:47 <@CNwaV> Can I volunteer to be the director of photon emissions?
15:48 <@CNwaV> We can seer someones corneas with a 1w laser when they go too long, you know, to make an example...
15:49 <@Evilpig> we want to encourage people to speak not threaten them with cornea scaring 
15:49 <@benthemeek> I think a computer screen pointed at the speaker with a giant count down that flashes near the end would be more effective
15:49 <@benthemeek> just saying
15:49 <@benthemeek> or download cool timer and leave it going as the talk is going on
15:50 <@benthemeek> I certainly didn't mind the long talk though, it was interesting
15:50 < aestetix> fair enough
15:50 <@benthemeek> Reall it was kind of three talks
15:50 < aestetix> benthemeek: so I've actually played with a number of tricks with that
15:50 <@Evilpig> like I said.  aestetix, you were still going and people were waiting to ask questions.  so you really hit the mark, imo
15:50 < aestetix> thanks!
15:50 < aestetix> benthemeek: I created 5mof.net and ran the event for two years
15:51 < aestetix> (for context)
15:51 <@benthemeek> we had the ows legal observer thing, the google is screwing with us thing, and the philosphical talk about idenity
15:51 <@benthemeek> All good and interesting :)
15:52 < aestetix> One trick I've done is have a second projector that shines onto the screen as well, and the person keeping time can make a number appear over the speaker's talk (like "Five"), and if they want to be a dick, have the word "Done" show up
15:52 < aestetix> I've also set up a laptop with a javascript timer near the laptop of the person giving the talk, or in their eyesight, and that works sometimes
15:52 <@Evilpig> if laughingboy does hold true and show up next year... we can get him to setup his laser stuff to project on the presenter with a countdown.  it will be amusing for the audience and me
15:53 <@CNwaV> I still like the laser idea... Do it once and I guarantee that you wont have to ever do it again
15:53 < aestetix> And for a while I had a laptop set up with a sound channel output, and when the speaker was supposed to be done the computer rickrolled them
15:54 <@CNwaV> Playing them off the stage... Hey, it works for the grammys
15:54 <@benthemeek> ha
15:54 < aestetix> note that those are all things that the person keeping time can jump in and disable if the crowd likes the talk
15:54 <@benthemeek> I kind of wish there was more hour sin the day for talks
15:54 < aestetix> And yes, we actually played with a variation of a gong noise from the gong show
15:54 <@benthemeek> it would be nice to have a 10 min break between each one
15:55 <@Evilpig> we can pack in more talks but you have to start doing them late or early.  both are problematic.  scheuduling from 10-10 seems to be about ideal
15:55 < aestetix> yeah
15:55 <@benthemeek> I am a total information whore and don't want to miss anything
15:55 < ragechin> ladymerlin wouldn't happen to be around, would she?
15:55 <@CNwaV> But then people might goto the bathroom and it would remind them to take a shower... And we dont want that
15:55 <@Evilpig> and earlier than noon on friday is rough cause some folks don't come out til after work/school
15:56 <@benthemeek> Understood
15:56 <@Evilpig> we might have to look at doing stuff on sunday again.  I personally like not having stuff on sunday so I can pack and get back home, relax a bit before work the enxt day
15:56 <@benthemeek> maybe instead of food breaks actually have the lightning talks durring those hours
15:56 <@Evilpig> ragechin: if you speak her name she will sometimes appear.  but I haven't heard from her this morning
15:57 < aestetix> Evilpig: the other option is to have multiple tracks.... of course, then you have double the talks to fill, instead of 2-3 more
15:57 < ragechin> I'm not sure we could do couble tracks in that conf room
15:57 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: we discussed that as well.  the lightning talks this year fell on spots that were open.  and we have discussed the multiple tracks too.
15:57 < ragechin> that's a good size single-track room
15:57 <@CNwaV> Would have to be in another room...
15:57 <@Evilpig> we have more space to do talks in.  that isn't the issue
15:57 < ragechin> but my opinion doesnlt count
15:57 <@benthemeek> Or have some talks try to come in at around half an hour instead, TED does it
15:58 <@CNwaV> But that would increase what the hotel charges... And you would have to double up on av equipment
15:58 <@Evilpig> the issue came down to 1) having enough interesting content.  2) looking at how that content is spread out.  if we have multiple tracks people then have to decide what they want to see where as this is structured they can see it all shoudl they choose
15:58 <@Evilpig> CNwaV: as long as we don't do it on a game weekend again the hotel cost isn't an issue
15:58 < aestetix> yep
15:59 < ragechin> lol. those poor football fans
15:59 < aestetix> and also things like interlacing talks so you don't have (for example) three highly technical talks back to back
15:59 <@Evilpig> making the timeslots shorter is an option as well.  some talks really can't be condensed well though
15:59 <@CNwaV> Im sure that they are very happy to have us fill a hotel on a non game weekend
16:00 <@benthemeek> I go to a UU church that has serpeate talk backs from the talks that are given on Sunday mornings
16:00 <@CNwaV> You ciuld make them shorter if you required the speakers to submit primers
16:00 <@benthemeek> you could do that half like the major question and answer sessions up on 9 or something
16:00 <@benthemeek> (A uu church is not unlike phreaknic or TED believe it or not)
16:01 <@CNwaV> I have never heard of the term uu church, please elaborate
16:01 <@Dickie> I FUCKING LOVE CHURCH
16:01 <@Evilpig> settle down dickie.  down boy.
16:02 <@benthemeek> Its a universal unitarian church. It has all kinds of faiths including humanists etc. So they tend to talk about society and sciences rather than focusing on one specific religion
16:02 <@Dickie> wtf is it for?
16:02 <@Dickie> Purely fellowship, or amateur thinktanks?
16:02 <@benthemeek> not to say that there aren't liberal christians there, but it's a community of people for social justic and change who care about each other pretty much
16:03 <@benthemeek> Dickie: Sort of both
16:04 <@Evilpig> aestetix: the talks this year kinda flowed from one idea to the next, at least on friday.  Not sure how it worked out that way but it did seem to work well
16:04 <@benthemeek> In any case every Sunday they do a main talk, and the second hour there is a talk back with questions and answers and discussion, and usually another 1 or 2 groups to choose from if you don't want to do that
16:04 <@benthemeek> EvilPig: I agree
16:05 <@ladymerlin> ragechin: sup?
16:05 <@Evilpig> ladymerlin: nobody pulled your string.  shhhh the men are talking
16:05 <@CNwaV> She was summoned
16:05 <@Evilpig> don't point that out.  seen and not heard.
16:06 < ragechin> ladymerlin: thanks for intervening on sat night. i'm not sure how it would've turned out if I had talked to the musical peeps directly. <3
16:07 <@ladymerlin> lol
16:07 <@ladymerlin> Evilpig: bite me
16:07  * Evilpig grabs an arm and bites
16:07 <@ladymerlin> great now i gotta go get shots
16:07 <@Evilpig> not sure who said sugar and spice and everything nice.  tastes like chicken
16:07 <@CNwaV> Put the rabid swine down!!!
16:08  * Dickie glares at ladymerlin
16:08 <@CNwaV> Im sure pig bites arent fun...
16:08 <@Dickie> ...one of these days...
16:09 <@Evilpig> Dickie: she has another arm.  give it a go
16:09 <@CNwaV> I have never had to treat one, now a donkey bite, that is a different story...
16:09 <@Dickie> Moment's passed
16:09 <@brimstone> like dust in the wind
16:10 <@CNwaV> What made the donkey bite worse was the fact that a local imam had him inject the site with diesel fuel.... Not good
16:10 <@Dickie> Mynd you, møøse bites Kan be pretty nasti...
16:10 <@benthemeek> .. a moose once bit my sister.
16:11 <@CNwaV> I have never given a moose a reason to bite me.. And I dont plan on it either
16:11 <@Evilpig> CNwaV: what should I do with this paintbucket of maple syrup then?
16:12 <@CNwaV> Ml256 pancake party!
16:12  * Evilpig paints ladymerlin with syrup
16:13 <@CRasH180> Could you imagine filling paint balls with syrup and shooting each other with Syrup filled paint balls?
16:13 <@Evilpig> heh.  that sounds both sticky and fun
16:13 <@CRasH180> Ewww or yum?
16:13 <@CNwaV> Yeah, it has been done before.. During the canadian civil war
16:13 <@CNwaV> Dont cha know, eh?
16:14  * ladymerlin glares at Dickie 
16:15 <@Evilpig> I need to get this patch for foot pound force put on my jacket
16:15  * Evilpig hands Dementia needle and thread
16:15 <@CNwaV> I missed them :(
16:15 <@Evilpig> wake her from her slumber
16:19 <@Evilpig> guess I am gonna lay down for a bit.  all this processing has the computer pushing out some crazy heat and the a/c just isn't keeping up right now.
16:19 <@Evilpig> 2nd video processing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7-RqNiGWjA
16:21 <@Evilpig> uploading the full file for download to the webserver now as well
16:24 <@CNwaV> What are you running that heats things up that much, a cray?
16:25 <@Evilpig> it's just working the processors hard encoding this video.  plus the heat from both monitors adding to it.  last I am in this corner of the room with little air circulation.  just makes a good hot spot
16:28 <@CNwaV> I have this invention... A few interrupted planes wrapped helically around a an axle... I will name this a fan!
16:31 <@Evilpig> the fan is going.  but at this point it's just blowing hot air around.  not enough air moving out of my bedroom out to the thermostat to kick the a/c in
16:32 <@Evilpig> http://phreaknic.info/Videos/Phreaknic%208/  lol
16:38 < aestetix> Evilpig: it says an error about the video being too long
16:38 <@Evilpig> yeah I see that
16:38 <@Evilpig> I hate the internet at times
16:47 <@Evilpig> just filed the application for a youtube partner so I can upload longer than 15 min.  some of my videos have been up for a long as time and never had any flags on my account.  maybe this will get done quickly
16:52 <@benthemeek> These are some honking big files
16:53 <@brimstone> your account will just get banned
16:53 <@brimstone> now that you've drawn attention to yourself
16:54 <@CNwaV> I will bbiab
16:59 <@Evilpig> which files are big?  
16:59 <@Dickie> the ones swinging between...you know what...nevermind
17:00 <@benthemeek> Looking throught he video directories of past PN
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17:01 <@Evilpig> they all seem reasonable sizes to me.  then again I look at stuff differently probably
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17:01 <@Evilpig> third on processing now.  gonna lay down for a bit
17:01 <@benthemeek> I was looking at some wmvs turns out
17:02 <@benthemeek> they are like 5 times the size of the avis
17:02 <@benthemeek> http://phreaknic.info/Videos/Phreaknic%207/
17:02 <@benthemeek> On my way to nlug me thinks
17:03 <@benthemeek> nashville peeps. Nlug at 6
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17:10 <@Catonic> Dagmar, Mirage... one of these days we need to officially meet.
17:10 <@Evilpig> benthemeek-away: the wmv's are actually raw recordings.
17:10 <@Catonic> like ... raw dawg recordings?
17:11 <@Catonic> lol... raw dawg recording studio, please hold..
17:11 <@Catonic> How am I going to fit another two LCDs into my cube... ?
17:20 <@Catonic> NotLarry: thanks for doing all the hard work to make PN happen.
17:20 < aestetix> Catonic: and thank his son's high school for providing all the teenage boys that he slept with
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17:26 < aestetix> Evilpig: are you loading the talks onto the phreaknic.info server?
17:26 < aestetix> (as well as youtube)
17:26 < MaxieZ> I assert that your pronouns are confusing.
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17:41 <@CNwaV> Word
17:41 < rangerz> PowerPoint
17:42 < rangerz> lol
17:42 < rangerz> nvm...
17:43 < rangerz> so I love this: https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/petition/we-demand-vapid-condescending-meaningless-politically-safe-response-petition/gCZfn86x
17:46 < rangerz> maybe its my own sarcastic nature, lol
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18:12 < aestetix> ok this is funny
18:12 < aestetix> Jean Quan is the mayor of oakland
18:12 < aestetix> Some people are now calling Occupy Oakland "Quantanamo Bay"
18:52 < rangerz> ...
18:52 < rangerz> thats wrong on multiple levels
18:52 < rangerz> lol
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18:59 < CNwaV_tp> did anyone talk with spencer gottlieb since the con yet?
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19:07 <@NotLarry> Catonic: np, thanks for coming out.  I didn't do the thanks/closing talk Saturday, kind of didn't want to interupt the rant, then when it came time to clear out Rattle scared everyone away.
19:07 <@NotLarry> Going to put together something for the intardwebs to take care of that.
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19:08 < CNwaV_tp> man rious
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19:09 < CNwaV_tp> wbb
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19:14 <@rattle> NotLarry: Damn.  Didn't realize I whacked your closing talk opportunity.  Sorry about that..
19:14 < CNwaV_tp> you will never be forgiven
19:26 < CNwaV_tp> gotta go eat now
19:26 < CNwaV_tp> laterz homies
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20:13 <@NotLarry> Evilpig: ping
20:14 <@NotLarry> rattle: na, the idea was to do a video so we can be sure everyone gets thanked
20:14 <@NotLarry> by that time of the night not enough people to really get the word out
20:16 <@rattle> The entire PhreakNIC team should be commended for their most excellent work.
20:16 < ragechin> ^^this
20:17 < rangerz> ^^that
20:20 <@Husky> ^^other
20:21 <@rattle> ^^andsomemore
20:23 < rangerz> ^^anda'paidescort'forEvilpigsoHeChillsOut
20:37 < rangerz> lol
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21:21 < something> Yo CNwav
21:21 <@CNwaV> Hey, whats up?
21:22 < something> So i gotXchat and its trying to connect to freenode
21:23 <@CNwaV> Well that is a good thing, cause that is where we are...
21:24 <@CNwaV> You want to connect to another server?
21:24 < something> I'm using the built in Java chat from their webpage. I'm trying to connect using the XChat client
21:24 < something> Ahh well
21:25 <@CNwaV> On kinux?
21:26 <@CNwaV> Erm, linux
21:26 < something> Np, windows
21:26 <@CNwaV> You have to set up your nick and name and stuff
21:26 < something> yep
21:27 < something> firewall isn't blocking it iether
21:27 <@CNwaV> And then you should be able to select a server from the drop down box...
21:27 <@CNwaV> Are you getting an error, like a sasl error?
21:28 < something> no It's cycling through the diffirent servers
21:28 <@CNwaV> What exactly do you mean by that?
21:29 < something> Looking up irc.freenode.net * Connecting to irc.freenode.net (213.179.58.83) port 6667... * Connection failed. Error: Connection timed out  Cycling to next server in FreeNode... * Disconnected (). * Looking up irc.freenode.net * Connecting to irc.freenode.net (140.211.167.98) port 6667.
21:30 <@CNwaV> Timeouts... Did you setup proper port forwarding on your firewall for the incoming connection?
21:30 <@CNwaV> Or set the dmz?
21:30 < something> :facepalm
21:31 <@CNwaV> It happens
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21:31 < Rockett> Whasts up?
21:31 <@CNwaV> Ah, it be rockett... Was about to ask who you were..
21:31 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, I was going to suggest watching the packets with wireshark... usually sends a clue about where to look
21:33 <@CNwaV> So, guess who is the new director of my lug?
21:33 <@Corydon76-home> You got drafted?
21:33 <@CNwaV> Of course
21:34 <@Corydon76-home> Congratulations
21:35 < Rockett> grats
21:35 <@CNwaV> It wont be a ton of work.. But I wasnt too hot on the idea
21:37 <@CNwaV> Was surprised that they approached me after I turned down the board position for s.e.l.f
21:39 <@CNwaV> Maybe this will get me out of having to do a presentation every other month...
21:39 < Rockett> I doubt it
21:40 < Rockett> Maybe even more since you are a man of such high esteem
21:40 <@NotLarry> well, this seems a little fucked up to me... http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/11/gps-tracker-times-two/all
21:40 <@CNwaV> At least now I will have the ability to make sure that we have a speaker lined up
21:41 <@CNwaV> I am assuming that is the article about the guy that had two different gps trackers put on his car...
21:42 <@CNwaV> Love it.. Hopefully we get some legislation into place to force them to get a search warrant
21:43 <@CNwaV> So, how was the hackerspace meeting? Are they giving you a student discount?
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21:44 <@NotLarry> you know rangerz, I'm a little tense myself...
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21:45 <@CNwaV> Where did you go rockett?
21:45 < Rockett> @CNwaV here
21:45 <@CNwaV> Did you read my question about the hackerspace?
21:45 < Rockett> yea
21:45 < Rockett> Wasreading the artical
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21:46 < Rockett> anyways, not sure yet.
21:46 <@CNwaV> They couldnt figure it out?
21:46 < Rockett> Maybe i can get one of thsoe recruiting kick backs.
21:46 < Rockett> there was only one guy
21:47 < Rockett> We talked about the orginization and what not
21:48 < Rockett> nothing to special besides meetings on mondays
21:49 <@NotLarry> where?
21:50 < Rockett> Dayton, Oh
21:50 <@CNwaV> Hackerspace in teh nort
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21:51 <@CNwaV> So, rockett, you gonna come to the next phreaknic?
21:53 <@CNwaV> You can say it in the chan, no need to pm me... My client has been screwy with pm lately..
21:53 < Rockett> yea
21:53 <@CNwaV> So what did you think of phreaknic?
21:54 < Rockett> ohhh... if my name is in the chat then it does a cool color change
21:54 < Rockett> still recovering +P
21:54 < ragechin> That's a good sign
21:55 <@NotLarry> wiping the drive on the r00tw4rz box, my laptop is next
21:56 < Rockett> It's a good sign. Haven't drank this much water in a long time.
21:57 <@NotLarry> wait, you can DRINK water?
21:57 <@CNwaV> Drink water, drive on
21:58 <@CNwaV> Forgive him rockett, notlarry doesnt grasp things too well sometimes
21:58 < Rockett> you can drink water, without the bodily filtration breta
21:58 <@CNwaV> You can drink it... Not a necessity
21:58 <@CNwaV> Salior jerrys works just as well
21:59 <@CNwaV> The only problem with water is that it doesnt taste like rum... And its really hard to get drunk on it
22:00 <@CNwaV> Oh, just so everyone knows, this is rockett, my friend that came down from ohio for phreaknic, NOT rockit, the guy that pissed everyone off
22:00 < Rockett> I think its almost mpossiable
22:00 < Rockett> Who says I didn;t piss everyone off/
22:01 <@CNwaV> You were very well behaved this past weekend
22:01 <@CNwaV> You didnt make any shot girls cry
22:02 <@CNwaV> Btw, why didnt you take the car to get to the consortium, instead of walking?
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22:03 < Rockett> It was a nice day, besides when I asked you you said Fuck off im sleepin
22:03 < Rockett> lol
22:05 <@CNwaV> I think I said that just cause you woke me up... I was a bit tired
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22:06 < Rockett> If you where here right now. You would see the tears im sheading becasue i walked on a nice day.
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22:06 <@NotLarry> Screenshot or it didn't happen
22:06 <@CNwaV> I dont know what a nice day is like, I am not a daywalker
22:07 <@CNwaV> Hehe, that reminds me, I sent int80 that screenshot with his info the hotel had... He got a kick out of it
22:08 < Rockett> Dang, I guess it didn't happen
22:16 <@CNwaV> Did you get your stuff for serepick?
22:16 < Rockett> yea i got the code havn't gone to the site yet
22:25 <@CNwaV> Yeah, I need to pickup a bogata
22:27 <@CNwaV> Man, did you see the article about counterfit electronic components being sold to us and being used by the military?
22:27 < Rockett> I was a bout to the read that
22:28 < Rockett> Hey, Did those unallocated guys have conncections to the makers with the 3D printers/
22:29 <@CNwaV> Unallocated is from the dc area... Those guys with the printers were from memphis
22:34 < Rockett> Thatnks.
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