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Switching networks out... 01:24 -!- CNwaV [~Yaaic@131.sub-174-252-148.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:35 * Catonic uploads videos of automatic weapons 02:32 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes@173.13.247.210] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 04:28 -!- NotLarry [~NotLarry@c-68-53-104-117.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 04:28 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o NotLarry] by ChanServ 04:29 <@NotLarry> Goooooooooooooooooooooooood Mooooooooooooooooooooooooooorning se2600! 04:39 -!- peaches1984 [four@c-69-137-80-31.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:41 -!- peaches1984 [blush@c-69-137-80-31.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 04:45 -!- peaches1984 [blush@c-69-137-80-31.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 05:19 <@Evilpig> NotLarry: shut your cake hole 05:20 <@Evilpig> NotLarry: http://twitter.com/patrick_burns/statuses/133363194541514754 05:22 <@NotLarry> Evilpig: log on to your wave 05:22 <@Evilpig> k. sec 05:23 <@NotLarry> Patrick is going to be helping me work on the harley this morning after the kids go to school 05:23 <@Evilpig> are you on communicator? 05:23 <@NotLarry> Hey, someone msg me the makers channel 05:24 <@NotLarry> think, so, let me check 05:24 <@Evilpig> #makerslocal 05:24 <@NotLarry> yeah 05:24 <@Evilpig> i'll be on there in a sec. need you to hear/see something 05:24 <@Evilpig> you arent' gonna be pleased 05:24 <@NotLarry> k, give me sec 05:25 <@Evilpig> not even sure I have my mic and shit setup 05:33 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: @Dickie, @am1n0, overfien, @unixfg, @brimstone, MaxieZ 05:34 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@2001:470:1f10:1083::2] has joined #se2600 05:34 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@2001:470:1f10:1083::2] has quit [Changing host] 05:34 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone] has joined #se2600 05:34 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o brimstone] by ChanServ 05:37 -!- Netsplit over, joins: MaxieZ 05:37 -!- Netsplit over, joins: unixfg 05:37 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o unixfg] by ChanServ 05:38 -!- Netsplit 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14:42 -!- am1n0 [~devnull@unaffiliated/devemo] has joined #se2600 14:42 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o am1n0] by ChanServ 14:52 -!- benthemeek is now known as benthemeek-away 15:01 < ware> http://borurl.com/ch3 :: Conrad Murray Verdict | Los Angeles Breaking News Live Streams | abc7.com 15:11 < ware> http://imgur.com/gallery/K09Sx 15:12 <@Corydon76-home> ware: timoguin showed up at PN15 15:13 <@Corydon76-home> And yes, the total attendance was around 200 15:13 < ware> so he could sex up other con goers 15:13 <@Corydon76-home> There were quite a few women in attendance 15:13 < ware> they had herpes 15:13 < ware> and if they didnt, they do now! 15:14 -!- peaches1984 [blush@c-69-137-80-31.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 15:19 -!- peaches1984 [blush@c-69-137-80-31.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:20 < eryc> did you guys see todays google doodle: http://www.pr0gramm.com/data/images/2011/10/qfgoi.jpg 15:21 -!- peaches1984 [red@c-69-137-80-31.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 15:47 < aestetix> ware: was skydogcon more than 50? 15:48 < ware> yeah they had right at 100 15:48 < ware> i was expecting 50 15:48 < ware> pretty good for a first year con imo 15:50 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@pdpc/supporter/silver/CRasH180] has joined #se2600 15:50 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o CRasH180] by ChanServ 15:51 < aestetix> ware: so you're telling me that if skydog hadn't been a douchebag, phreaknic would have had 300 people, and there wouldn't have been confusion about which con to go to? :) 15:52 < aestetix> I'm really rather unimpressed. If you want to start your own con, power to you, but don't do it by directly cutting off another conference. 15:52 < ware> neg 15:52 < ware> its all good drama 15:53 < ware> SDC will be more successful than PN 15:53 <@Dagmar> Drama is not good unless you live in a trailer park 15:53 < aestetix> Do you really think people who are new and want to learn and tinker also want to be pulled into annoying drama? 15:53 < ware> there is no competition of attendees 15:53 <@Dagmar> This is also sort of a sore subject to be trolling on. 15:53 < ware> :D 15:53 < ware> aestetix started it 15:53 < aestetix> ware: in which case, SDC could be held on a different weekend, to offer a fair comparison of the two. 15:53 <@Dagmar> ware: I don't believe that for a second 15:53 < ware> why is it only people from the PN camp that is bitching and moaning? 15:54 < ware> thats what i dont understand 15:54 <@brimstone> srsly? 15:54 < aestetix> ware: I believe th act of creating a new conference in direct opposition to one is bitching and moaning. 15:55 < aestetix> And this coming from the same crew that distributed "RIPhreakNIC" stickers. Yeah, there's no bitching and moaning from SDC at all. 15:55 -!- CNwaV [~Yaaic@68-189-190-128.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com] has joined #se2600 15:55 < ware> pretty sure most of SDC couldn't give less of a fuck about the going-on's of nash2600 fairies or PN 15:55 < ware> i dont speak for them 15:56 < ware> but ill troll anyone for my own enjoyment 15:56 < aestetix> Sure. They probably had no idea about it. I doubt anyone promoting SDC mentioned it, so they showed up assuming it was the only con in Nashvile at the time. 15:57 < ware> so now it's their duty to promote a furry con just because its in nashville the same weekend? 15:57 < aestetix> ware: you really need to work on your trolling skills. 15:57 < ware> youre sick! 15:57 < aestetix> brb 15:57 <@brimstone> so SDC was a furry con? 15:57 <@Dagmar> That would explain the name 15:58 -!- CNwaV [~Yaaic@68-189-190-128.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com] has quit [Client Quit] 15:58 < ware> yall had the furries 15:58 -!- CNwaV [~Yaaic@68-189-190-128.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com] has joined #se2600 15:58 < ware> the chicks with adam's apple's went to PN 15:58 < ware> rofl 15:58 <@Dagmar> I'm not sure two furries is even statistically relevant 15:58 <@Dagmar> It's not my problem Skydog is a raging homophobe 15:59 < ware> this is me trolling not him 15:59 <@Dagmar> Seriously man, 45m of pure fucking fiction that webcast interview was 15:59 <@Dagmar> The reckoning on that will be unpleasant 15:59 < ware> link! 15:59 <@Dagmar> You didn't hear it? 15:59 < ware> negative 16:00 < ware> i must hear so i can appreicate your commentary 16:00 <@Dagmar> You should hear it just to hear the load of bullshit he spewed 16:00 <@CRasH180> Pardon my ignorance. What is SDC? 16:00 <@Dagmar> It would have probably been better had he kept his damn mouth shut and stuck with spreading rumors 16:00 <@Dagmar> ware: http://www.isdpodcast.com/2011/10/07 16:00 <@Dagmar> You just won't believe some of the shit you hear him say 16:01 <@Dagmar> Right out of the gate, I'll point out something important... He was _not_ at PN2. 16:01 < ware> CRasH180: SDC == the best con in nashville this past weekend skydogcon.com 16:01 < ware> :O 16:01 <@Dagmar> Nor PN3, so it's not like he can claim he got mixed up. 16:01 <@Dagmar> Those were at the Drury. 16:01 <@Dagmar> I was all over those things. 16:02 <@Dagmar> I went to Jr. high and High School with the guy 16:02 <@Dagmar> There's pretty much no way I would have missed seeing him 16:02 <@Dagmar> He's flat out establishing a false sense of legitimacy, and I suspect IronGeek saying incorrectly that he founded PN is a load of shit SD had been spewing elsewhere that came back to bite him 16:03 < ware> meh, hardly 16:03 < ware> everyone knows he didnt start it 16:04 < ware> he just runs cons the best 16:04 <@Dagmar> Yeah well the other thing... for that to come up and him to not even mention Dru is shifty as hell 16:04 <@Dagmar> I suspect it may have been to avoid drawing Dru's attention. Too late now 16:04 <@Dagmar> When you listen to the podcast you'll see why we're all "WTF?!?" about this 16:05 < CNwaV> I wuz at pn3 :P 16:05 <@Dagmar> Far too much of it is incorrect in certain ways for what he's saying to be anything other than a bald-faced lie about a number of things. 16:05 < CNwaV> Btw, this nano router is pimptastic... 16:05 <@Dagmar> If I remembered for a moment what you looked like I might be able to confirm/deny that 16:06 < CNwaV> My pictures are on the site for pn3 16:06 < ware> i didnt do either con on saturday 16:06 < ware> shit is dumb imo 16:06 <@Dagmar> ...but I knew Trevor for years prior to any SE2600 anything, and he's a big guy with arm muscles. 16:06 <@Dagmar> He sticks out at a hacker con 16:06 < ware> pretty sure i will be okay with never going to another hacker con in my life 16:06 <@Dagmar> ware: Oh bummer. I did look for you and just figured you were in a party room somewhere 16:06 -!- ware was kicked from #se2600 by Evilpig [out damn spot] 16:06 <@Dagmar> heh 16:06 <@brimstone> Evilpig: any ETA on videos? 16:07 < CNwaV> http://www.phreaknic.info/pn345/pix99/cnwav.html 16:07 -!- ware [ware@phneak.net] has joined #se2600 16:07 < ware> its awke! 16:07 <@Evilpig> as soon as I get a few min to think. I looked at them this morning for a few but need to work on them a good bit 16:07 < ware> made it alive through the weekend Evilpig 16:07 < ware> are you still bitter? 16:07 <@Dagmar> Well, I still don't know which person you are but these pictures are at least definitely from PN3. heh 16:08 <@Evilpig> ware: I'm not bitter I had a fucking blast this weekend 16:08 <@Dagmar> ware: You missed out on some serioulsy awesome pork 16:08 <@Evilpig> you were at some hotel where the party got killed at midnight. lol 16:08 < CNwaV> I went to 3 and then took an 11 year break 16:08 <@Evilpig> what time did the party stop at PN? NEVAR!! 16:08 -!- the_hugme [~jallman@service.vendormate.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:09 <@Evilpig> CNwaV: if you hadn't taken that I was totally going to indian give that shit to pn 16:09 < CNwaV> I think wilpig was the only one that slept less than I did... 16:09 < ware> i didnt go on saturday 16:09 < ware> we were up til 230 on friday, had my fill of partyin 16:09 <@Evilpig> sitting in the lobby is not partying 16:09 < ware> okay? 16:09 < ware> rofl 16:10 < ware> you are still bitter 16:10 < ware> fuckin' nerds 16:10 < ware> MY PARTY WAS COOLER!!!! 16:10 -!- ware was kicked from #se2600 by Evilpig [out damn spot] 16:10 < CNwaV> http://www.phreaknic.info/pn345/pix99/cnwav/meandfurby.JPG 16:10 -!- ware [ware@phneak.net] has joined #se2600 16:10 <@Evilpig> I wash and wash but the spot it's still there! 16:10 < ware> winning 16:10 -!- ware was kicked from #se2600 by Evilpig [out damn spot] 16:10 -!- ware [ware@phneak.net] has joined #se2600 16:10 < ware> winning 16:10 < ware> u mad bro 16:10 < CNwaV> That is me in the foreground.. 16:12 -!- Evilpig changed the topic of #se2600 to: PhreakNIC is over. Videos are sitting on my desktop waiting for me to get some rest. 16:12 < CNwaV> I dont know if it is fair to call skydog homophobic, he at least didnt show that when I was there... Cause one of the guys at sdc told me that I was hot and asked if I was gay... 16:12 <@brimstone> lol smoking furby 16:12 < CNwaV> ...right in front of skydog 16:12 < CNwaV> Btw, furbies are so much cooler with their fur removed... 16:13 <@Evilpig> they are creepy as shit without fur 16:13 < CNwaV> Creepy = cool 16:13 < mirovengi> i'm pretty sure they're creepy even with fur 16:14 < mirovengi> randomly waking up in the middle of the night, there's no way its random 16:14 <@Evilpig> they listen for you to start snoring. then they "wake up" 16:14 < CNwaV> I need to mod one and bring it next year... 16:16 <@Dagmar> Keep your eyes peeled for other sources of cheap animatronics 16:16 < CNwaV> Hey, wilpig... Have you guys ever thought of doing a silent auction... have people bring a piece of tech or geek awesomeness to be auctioned off... Have the proceeds goto the con or a worthy cause... 16:16 < ware> build a fuck buddy? 16:16 <@Dagmar> I'm still sore at myself for not buying the 3.5" ghoul Walgreens was selling 16:16 <@Dagmar> er 3.5' ghoul 16:17 <@Dagmar> Movable eyes, jaw, and eyebrows 16:17 <@Dagmar> I just didn't want to spend $40 at the time on a toy 16:17 <@Evilpig> CNwaV: it's always an option. one of those things where it would work better with a larger group. 16:17 <@Dagmar> ...especially one that I was going to gut within hours of getting it home 16:17 <@Evilpig> CNwaV: what kind of range are you getting on that AP? 16:18 < CNwaV> Btw, ware, you are a tool... Not because of the things that you said about pn vs. sdc.... But because of of what you said about people with gender disphoria... 16:19 <@Dagmar> Meh. I dunno about that 16:19 <@Dagmar> I've heard him say a lot of stupid shit, but i've never seen him act like an ass around it 16:19 < ware> gender disphoria? 16:19 < CNwaV> Google your friend 16:19 < ware> well, i considered it 16:19 < ware> but i think im going to just troll on 16:20 <@Dagmar> My only issue with it is that it bugs me in that environment in that some of the most interesting "chicks" happen to be men 16:20 < ware> im too conservative 16:20 < ware> to belive that bullshit - "oh i dunno if im a man or a woman?" then you should be put down like a sick dog 16:21 <@Dagmar> Female? Wearing a lot of black? You've probably got my attention. 16:21 < ware> society doesnt need you 16:21 <@Dagmar> Just being in a 50y radius will do it 16:21 < ware> lol 16:21 < CNwaV> I set it up to fill out the wifi coverage in my house... Now have it turning a printer of mine into a wifi printer... But it will probably end up at work for my own private wifi... 16:21 <@Dagmar> So it's a matter of false-positives distracting me more than anything else 16:22 < CNwaV> What was that girls name... 16:22 < CNwaV> We had a pretty cool conversation saturday night... She knows hella more than me about all things electronic.. 16:23 <@benthemeek-away> Who was the girl that kept handing out shots durring Tom's rant? 16:23 <@Dagmar> Dunno. She was notable tho 16:23 <@Evilpig> aestetix: the one link I have for photos right now is on the main phreaknic page. I put it up there saturday night / sunday morning. If people will send me others I will get them listed 16:23 <@Dagmar> It's rare to find girls who don't flinch at anything 16:23 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: laughingboy gave her $5 16:23 <@benthemeek-away> there are some on google + 16:23 < CNwaV> Intolerant fools like ware should be gang raped by dragons :) 16:23 < ware> hoolahoop girl? 16:23 < ware> one of the con whores 16:24 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: yeah I was in the back making jokes that I should have been waving a dollar bill carefully folded lengthwise 16:24 < ware> CNwaV: im not above ending someones life :D 16:24 <@benthemeek-away> She carried a hoolahoop 16:24 < CNwaV> Go for it bucko... 16:24 < ware> yeah, nasty girl 16:24 <@Dagmar> That's the one I'm thinking of 16:24 <@benthemeek-away> Bought 2 t-shirts the next day with her tips :) 16:24 <@Dagmar> She didn't seem "nasty" to me 16:24 < ware> she sleeps around 16:24 < ware> which is nasty to me 16:25 <@Dagmar> HOW IS THAT A BAD THING 16:25 <@brimstone> plenty of love to go around 16:25 <@benthemeek-away> I thought she was rather nice and could make no judegment on her sexual habbits from my brief conversation 16:25 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: http://i.imgur.com/VU7I2.jpg 16:25 < ware> obviously she spreads VD 16:25 <@Dagmar> I mentally file that as the equivalent of "plays on a lot of pick-up teams" 16:25 < CNwaV> But I must warn you ware... I am a small person, dont own any fire arms and have never had to take another mans life... 16:25 <@benthemeek-away> there is a funny picutre of her with another girl and laughing boy in the photo booth though 16:26 < ware> benthemeek-away: she also sleeps around :D 16:26 <@Dagmar> Yeah that's her. She seemed okay to me 16:26 < ware> men, women, animals 16:26 <@Dagmar> Again, so how is that a problem? 16:26 <@Dagmar> heh 16:26 < ware> not picky 16:26 < ware> Dagmar: go for it, i dont put my shit near shit like that 16:26 <@Dagmar> Hey I heard she managed to nail Al 16:26 < CNwaV> Awesome.. I didnt see her with the butt set 16:26 <@Dagmar> That, to me, says skills. 16:26 <@Evilpig> she was nice, had a good time. in my book, she rocked 16:26 < ware> who fucked Al? tim's girlfriend? 16:26 <@Dagmar> Apparently so. 16:26 < ware> HAHAHA! 16:26 <@Evilpig> she also laughed at me getting the wall in the women's bathroom to kiss my ass 16:26 <@Dagmar> Are your eyebrows going up now? :) 16:27 < ware> no it doesnt surprise me in the slightest 16:27 < ware> im about done with this scene 16:27 <@Dickie> I know hula-hoop girl. 16:27 <@Dickie> Saw her at Outerzone. 16:27 < CNwaV> There were so many cool people at both cons... 16:27 < ware> yeah shes a whore 16:27 <@Dickie> Kept my distance. 16:28 < ware> well im an asshole 16:28 < ware> so dont listen to me 16:28 <@brimstone> k 16:28 <@Dickie> /ignore 16:28 < ware> see if you can get freenode to global ignore me 16:28 <@brimstone> go start your own network or something 16:28 < CNwaV> Btw, ware, what does it feel like to take another mans life.. 16:29 <@benthemeek-away> https://plus.google.com/u/0/106684644323438790123/posts?hl=en 16:29 <@Evilpig> CNwaV: that's a silly question. 16:29 <@benthemeek-away> can uyou guys see that? 16:29 < ware> he's upset 16:29 <@brimstone> benthemeek-away: yes 16:29 < ware> aye 16:29 <@Evilpig> ware: What's it feel like when skydog is plowing you from behind? Do you at least get a pillow for your face? 16:29 <@Evilpig> benthemeek-away: yeah 16:30 < ware> keep your sick fantasies to yourself old man! 16:30 <@benthemeek-away> one of the makers has an album up too on google+ 16:30 <@Dagmar> benthemeek-away: Get that girl some contacts 16:30 <@Dagmar> benthemeek-away: She's cute but the glasses do a weird thing with making her eyes look like she's not gotten enough sleep 16:30 <@Dickie> Who's that racoon boy? 16:30 <@Dickie> Or fox or whatever. 16:30 <@benthemeek-away> that is Sammy 16:31 < CNwaV> Fox was there? 16:31 <@Dickie> Tried to spark a conversation with him last year. 16:31 <@Dickie> Got the cold shoulder. 16:31 <@Dagmar> Sammy would be the big furry. 16:31 <@benthemeek-away> He is a friend of corydons and peaches. He was director of food 16:31 <@Dagmar> He's a little odd, but he seems to be growing out of it 16:31 <@Dickie> Odd's fine...I just wanted to know what the hell was wrong with me 16:31 < CNwaV> I think that skiboy wins for being the weirdest... 16:31 <@Dickie> Was I smelly? 16:32 <@Dagmar> Dickie: No he's just apparently jumpy around people he doesn't know so he clams up 16:32 < ware> did skiboy go to PN? 16:32 <@Dickie> DICKIE GONNA GETCHA 16:32 <@Dagmar> Wearing that getup this doesn't strike me as particularly unusual 16:32 < CNwaV> No he didnt 16:32 <@Evilpig> Dickie: JesterFox is a pretty shy person. 16:32 <@Dickie> No, no, no. 16:32 < ware> CNwaV: so you were at SDC? 16:32 <@Evilpig> but you might have smelled a little too 16:32 < ware> im tryin to figure out which weirdo you were 16:32 <@Dickie> I don't mean he clammed up. He gave me that disgusted-preppy-teenage-girl face and ignored me 16:32 <@Dagmar> You should have been wearing a shirt with your name on it in big letters or something Dickie 16:32 <@Dagmar> I was trying to spot you 16:32 <@Dickie> I wasn't there this year 16:33 <@Dickie> Maybe next 16:33 <@Dagmar> That would explain that then 16:33 <@Dickie> You'll know. 16:33 < CNwaV> Yes, I was at sdc 16:33 <@Dagmar> flash showed up 16:33 < ware> were you the alice in wonderland chick/dude 16:33 <@benthemeek-away> Racheal has an album up from pn 16:33 <@Evilpig> flash and I are about to go see harold and kumar 16:33 < CNwaV> Nope... I was the insanely tall guy hanging with int80 16:34 < ware> oh redbeard? you seemed normal to me 16:34 < ware> why you trollin me 16:34 < CNwaV> I am normal, but no, im no redbeard... 16:35 <@benthemeek-away> https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/110330807652770785795/albums/5671624103381242833?hl=en 16:35 < CNwaV> I normally ignore your trolling, but you kinda pissed me off with that comment earlier.. 16:35 < ware> dont pay attention to me and you wont get trolled 16:35 <@benthemeek-away> dud ein photo 13 look slike he is about to pick his nose :) 16:35 < ware> dont get mad at me, cause im looking for an excuse to pick a fight :D 16:36 < CNwaV> Hehe, we can fight all you want son... 16:36 < ware> SON!!@)#$(*!$ 16:36 < CNwaV> Someone doesnt know cnwavs background... 16:37 < aestetix> and back 16:37 <@brimstone> benthemeek-away: mirovengi totally picked his nose right then 16:37 <@brimstone> it was a little gross sitting next to him 16:37 -!- mode/#se2600 [+q ware!*@*] by Evilpig 16:37 <@benthemeek-away> lol 16:37 <@Evilpig> I'll talk to y'all later. I shoved the troll under the bridge for now 16:37 -!- mode/#se2600 [+b #se2600!*@*] by brimstone 16:38 <@brimstone> err 16:38 <@brimstone> thanks weechat 16:38 <@Evilpig> lol 16:38 -!- mode/#se2600 [-b #se2600!*@*] by brimstone 16:38 < CNwaV> Ummmm... 16:38 < CNwaV> Not good 16:38 <@Dickie> It tried to give you beeees 16:38 <@Evilpig> I mute ware and screen #8 lights up. any guesses? my prediction is "stop being a dick." "you're a fag" 16:39 < CNwaV> Hehe 16:39 <@Evilpig> and I was totally wrong. 16:39 <@brimstone> my bet's on "lol" or "good troll" 16:39 <@Evilpig> in any case y'all unmute him later if you get bored 16:39 <@Dickie> He probably wants to apologize and offer to buy you lunch. 16:39 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o CNwaV] by Evilpig 16:39 <@Dickie> That's my guess. 16:39 <@Evilpig> CNwaV: remind me to put you in the aop group later 16:39 <@CNwaV> Hey ep.. Keep me informed about that position. 16:39 <@CNwaV> I will 16:39 -!- mode/#se2600 [-q Mercster!*@*] by brimstone 16:40 -!- benthemeek-away is now known as benthemeek 16:40 * Dickie franticly scans the nicklist 16:40 -!- ware [ware@phneak.net] has left #se2600 [] 16:40 -!- ware_ [ware@phneak.net] has joined #se2600 16:40 < ware_> Evilpig: laame 16:40 <@Dickie> d'oh 16:40 < ware_> CNwaV: speak your mind man 16:40 < ware_> sounded like you were gonna get all big talkin on me 16:40 < ware_> with that "son" bullshit 16:40 <@CNwaV> About what? 16:40 < ware_> you old motherfucker 16:41 < ware_> tell me about your background you sad sack piece of shit 16:41 < ware_> :D 16:41 <@CNwaV> Hehe, I was saying that someone doesnt know my background... 16:41 <@Dickie> Someone get the spraybottle 16:41 <@brimstone> spraybottle of whiskey 16:41 < ware_> GET MAD SON 16:41 * Dickie headbutts brimstone 16:41 <@Dickie> Sorry. Got caught up. 16:41 * brimstone roars 16:42 <@CNwaV> Not mad about that... I can usually accept ignorance :D 16:42 < ware_> ^ignorant 16:42 <@Dickie> ^puerto rican 16:42 <@brimstone> ^republican 16:42 < ware_> you aint real 16:42 <@brimstone> ^realpublican 16:42 <@CNwaV> You are right... I am not real.... 16:43 <@CNwaV> I am just one big photoshop project 16:43 < ware_> waste of time you mean 16:43 < ware_> have a good evening bro 16:43 -!- ware_ [ware@phneak.net] has left #se2600 [] 16:43 <@brimstone> tell your maintainer to convert you to gimp already 16:43 -!- mode/#se2600 [-q ware!*@*] by brimstone 16:44 <@CNwaV> Cant... I am actually an adobe gorilla marketing campaign... 16:45 <@benthemeek> CNwaV: Where are you from? 16:45 <@Dickie> (say earth) 16:45 <@CNwaV> Btw, is 30 old...? 16:45 <@CNwaV> South carolina 16:45 <@Dickie> Yes, grandpa 16:45 <@benthemeek> hehe, well he mentioned early PN. So I assume nashville at one time? 16:46 <@CNwaV> Nope... I went to 3 when I was living in arkansas... Moved around a lot after that.. 16:47 <@CNwaV> 3 was back when an evil hacker... Now I am just a nurd 16:47 <@CNwaV> Although I did actually hack something this con that I wasnt aupposed to... 16:47 <@benthemeek> Did you ever get into that closet door with your picks? 16:47 <@CNwaV> Was spur of the moment... Results were pretty funny 16:48 <@CNwaV> I was too drunk... When I was sober I picked a bunch of shit 16:48 <@Dickie> gross 16:49 <@CNwaV> I cram poop into my nose to cover the smell of ware... Have to pick it out every once in a while to put fresh poop in... 16:49 <@Dickie> It's not trolling if he's not here. 16:49 <@CNwaV> I am wanting to get better at lock picking though... Only started in august... 16:50 <@Dickie> Were you at notacon? 16:50 <@CNwaV> I learned alot of stuff from deviant... He is really cool 16:50 <@CNwaV> Nope.. Just phreaknic and defcon for me so far.... 16:51 <@CNwaV> ...but I might be going to schmoo this year, my buddy from svhmoo has been trying to get me to go for years... 16:52 <@brimstone> so, poll, did people stay in a hotel room by themselves or did they have a roommate? 16:53 <@CNwaV> My army buddy and I shared a room 16:53 <@CNwaV> Poor guy.. 16:53 <@benthemeek> brimstone: at pn? 16:53 <@brimstone> benthemeek: yes 16:53 <@brimstone> but really, cons in general 16:53 <@benthemeek> with others 16:53 <@benthemeek> split the costs 16:54 <@CNwaV> He had to wake up to me ranting and loosing my shit over a documentary about steve jobs... 16:54 <@CNwaV> Last time we shared a room, I ended up in a bed with three people... 16:55 <@benthemeek> CNwaV: What upset you about the documentary? 16:56 <@CNwaV> I am upset when people act like he is a god 16:57 <@benthemeek> me too https://plus.google.com/101575041361542188676/posts/Xdao8iWThkM 16:57 <@CNwaV> Awesome! 17:03 <@benthemeek> listening to sd podcast 17:03 <@benthemeek> his interview starts at 11:30 17:04 <@CNwaV> Which cast? 17:04 <@benthemeek> http://www.isdpodcast.com/2011/10/07 17:11 -!- peaches1984 [red@c-69-137-80-31.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:12 -!- peaches1984 [red@c-69-137-80-31.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 17:15 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@pdpc/supporter/silver/CRasH180] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:27 -!- peaches1984 [red@c-69-137-80-31.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:28 -!- peaches1984 [five@c-69-137-80-31.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 17:29 <@CNwaV> Peaches needs to make up his mind.. 17:30 < aestetix> man 17:30 < aestetix> I need to start hunting down some pedophiles 17:31 <@benthemeek> hehe 17:32 <@benthemeek> You know he really does have a chracmatic gift 17:33 < aestetix> Who, NotLarry? 17:34 <@benthemeek> SkyDog I mean 17:34 <@benthemeek> charasmatic* 17:34 <@benthemeek> The only thing I have really have a problem with in this podcast is the "Im a victim mentality" 17:35 < aestetix> oh I thought you meant NotLarry, in his ability to have teenagers sleep in his room with him 17:36 <@benthemeek> im a member of the 2600 and went to many of the meetings and did not hear many of these accusations he says that have been leveled at him 17:37 < aestetix> well I mean, I'm sure NotLarry didn't do *everything* people joke about 17:37 <@benthemeek> hehe im listening to the podcast interview with skydog about his opinion of phreaknic 17:37 < aestetix> url? 17:37 <@benthemeek> http://www.isdpodcast.com/2011/10/07 17:37 <@benthemeek> start listening at 11:30 17:38 <@CNwaV> You know, somehow skydog was the only person at sdc whos hotel registration didnt have a phone number or address listed... Weird 17:39 <@benthemeek> I think the drama can be over now honestly. Host skydog con some other weekend hopefully much earlier or later than phreaknic and I will go to both cons :) 17:40 <@Dagmar> I won't. 17:40 <@Dagmar> Not until there's an accounting for all those fucking lies. 17:40 <@benthemeek> pride 17:40 <@Dagmar> No, I simply demand accountability. 17:40 <@CNwaV> I called up int80... I was like, this is your real name, this is your address... Was kinda funny... 17:40 <@Dagmar> Some of those lies I know are lies because I actually had a long sit-down discussion with Trevor about some of this shit before he took the job as pres os SE2600. 17:41 <@Dagmar> Some of them are an outright slap in the face. 17:41 <@Dagmar> LIke where he talks about how he "saved" part of PN the last time... 17:41 <@benthemeek> He is a proud man. I honestly believe he sees himself as the victim even if these wrongs against him are mostly in his mind 17:41 <@benthemeek> I don't think he's malicious 17:41 <@benthemeek> I would go to both cons *shrugs* 17:41 < aestetix> CNwaV: one of the reasons I always split a room with someone is so I can pay them cash :) 17:41 <@Dagmar> How he found some people in the parking lot leaving and he talked them into coming back up and partying on 8... and then makes it sound like _PhreakNIC_ almost threw him out over it. 17:42 <@Dagmar> "PhreakNIC" for it's role in that, is the reason he did not get thrown out 17:42 <@CNwaV> I went to both... There was a distinctivly different crowd at each one 17:42 <@Dagmar> Wilpig had to seriously smooth things over with the hotel because the _reason_ they were about to get thrown out was the fucking fog machine 17:42 <@benthemeek> CNwaV: how so? 17:42 <@Dagmar> Specifically, they were running one, AGAIN, and this time they'd even gone to the trouble of _disabling the fucking smoke detectors_ 17:43 <@Dagmar> That makes the hotel (and just about anywhere) bloody furious. 17:43 < aestetix> Wait, skydog is one of the founding members of phreaknic? 17:43 <@Dagmar> Now, explain to me how it is he can get that particular set of cause and effect so fucked up, were it not an outright, bold-faced lie. 17:43 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Fuck no. 17:43 <@benthemeek> he says he isn'tgive ti a minute 17:43 < aestetix> Oh, he just corrected it, nevermind. 17:44 <@Dagmar> He corrects that, but I'd dearly love to hear Irongeek say where he heard that from in the first place, because I suspect it's Trevor who said it 17:44 <@Dagmar> Almost everything from that point on is so far removed from fact it makes my eyes water 17:44 <@benthemeek> Words are wind as the great george r.r. martin has written ;) 17:44 <@Dagmar> "Se2600" didn't "take over" PhreakNIC 17:44 <@Dagmar> The 501c was created specifically for the purpose of putting a more businesslike face on the organization in order to make it easier to arrange shit for PN to happen 17:45 < aestetix> Well 17:45 < aestetix> Dagmar: I imagine it's the same reason noisebridge has a 501c status 17:45 <@CNwaV> Honestly, sdc seemed to have more masters of craft, more professional crowd. pn had a younger crowd, seemed more inquisitive, more laid back... 17:45 < aestetix> So that if someone goes back, it hits the organization and not the people 17:45 <@Dagmar> ...and he goes a looong way towards talking shit about PN's organizers in general towards the end of it 17:45 <@CNwaV> Best partying was at pn... 17:45 <@Dagmar> Now if he's been saying that on a podcast, no telling WTF he says to people when it's not being recorded 17:45 < aestetix> CNwaV: totally, I don't think anyone is criticizing the *attendees* of SDC. 17:46 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Yes, and this one of of the reasons I had a sit down with him about it before he took the role as P of the 501c 17:46 <@Dagmar> I needed to make sure he understood where all the lines were drawn and so forth 17:46 < aestetix> Dagmar: yep. Sounds about right. We have a briefing like that with everyone who joins the board of noisebridge 17:46 <@CNwaV> I was upset to not see any 3d printers at pn.. Ml256 left theirs at home... There were at least 6 at sdc 17:47 < aestetix> CNwaV: there seemed to be a lot of discussion at PN though. I found that most people were very eager to discuss many current issues. 17:47 -!- iabosi [iabosi@oberon.vectori.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:47 <@Dagmar> Yeah clearly he somehow just conveniently "forgot" all this, or he thought I spent an hour just making crazy shit up (but I know he'd heard it from Dole before), or he decided it would sound like he had a more legitimate claim to "running shit" if the con had been "taken over" by the non-profit 17:47 <@benthemeek> IMO our con did great. I don't think anything else needs to be said about what happened. As long as skydogcon is far enough way from phreaknic lets promote it even. 17:48 <@CNwaV> Hopefully there will be a better maker showing next year... My 3d printer will be finished by then 17:48 <@Dagmar> benthemeek: Far as I care, not a chance until there's an accounting for this 17:48 < aestetix> benthemeek: sure. There are a bunch of reasons for having multiple conferences. Just not at the same time. 17:48 <@Dagmar> This wasn't some momentary slip of the tongue 17:48 <@Dagmar> The "stories" he told were detailed and elaborate. 17:48 <@benthemeek> maybe he can come have a room party or something (except no smoke machine) But the geek community should be one again :) 17:48 <@Dagmar> I'm pretty sure he spent some time working out the best way to tell these lies. 17:49 <@benthemeek> I don't dagmar, I think we can be a little gracious here 17:49 <@Dagmar> The geek community will not be well-served by someone being in it who makes up divisive shit like that 17:49 <@benthemeek> people by their very nature want to be the "good guy" even if they have to create a narrative that makes them out to be 17:49 <@CNwaV> Yeah, the majority of technical discussions I had were at pn... Although I did give a very lengthly discussion/almost talk on celluar networks at pn.. 17:50 <@Dagmar> benthemeek: Again, I've been there for all of this. Just about every con except while I was in SF and one I couldn't really attend much because I had to work that weekend 17:50 <@Dagmar> I was there when we had the discussions about the 501c, when Dole proposed it. 17:50 <@Dagmar> I, personally, made sure all this information about what belongs to what to Treveor 17:50 <@benthemeek> That's really awesome actually 17:50 <@Dagmar> He has told a large stack of lies. 17:51 <@benthemeek> I would say exagerations 17:51 <@Dagmar> Lies. 17:51 <@benthemeek> he is exagerating his part in it 17:51 <@Dagmar> The 501c didn't "take over" anything. 17:51 <@Dagmar> It wasn't Phreaknic that nearly threw him out of the hotel. 17:51 <@Dagmar> It was PhreakNIC that managed to smooth things over so he could _stay_ 17:51 <@benthemeek> that's true 17:51 <@benthemeek> he does paint us into a rival or something 17:51 <@Dagmar> His problem wasn't "doing things by committee" 17:51 <@CNwaV> ### 17:51 <@benthemeek> I never heard this sugar moma accusation though 17:52 <@benthemeek> or the " he took our equipment" 17:52 <@Dagmar> It was him trying to pick "his people" to make do various things instead of scoping out who seemed to be burning to do it and to focus them. 17:52 <@benthemeek> noone ever said that that I heard 17:52 <@Dagmar> That is part of the "Trevor is making up rumors so he can rebut them" which makes this all the more complex 17:53 <@Dagmar> As to the money thing and the org... that paperwork was a damn nightmare and the biggest reason he was voted out 17:53 <@Dagmar> No one that I'm aware of thought any stealing was going on 17:53 <@Dagmar> The problem was that the accounting for what went to where was simply not being done 17:53 <@benthemeek> Its so hard for me though. I can't believe he is really malicious like that. I really think he has made up this narrative in his head that is just comepltly off 17:54 < aestetix> Dagmar: is the nonprofit going to be held accountable for any of that? 17:54 <@Dagmar> The last thing we'd need is someone coming down and _making that accusation of wrongdoing_ becasue all the bloody recipts saying "petty cash" and little else 17:54 <@Dagmar> aestetix: As far as I know as long as all the interest-holders are fine with it, it's fine 17:54 <@Dagmar> Corydon would know with more certainty 17:54 < aestetix> Sure. 17:55 <@benthemeek> Aestetix: did you get a ride okay to the airport or did you have to call a cab? 17:55 < aestetix> I got a ride, thanks for asking. 17:55 <@Dagmar> If this is actually some stuff he came up with through some "narrative" in his head, then he's apparently been struck too many blows to the head and needs to see a shrink 17:56 <@benthemeek> I enjoyed talking with you. Wish we could of done it more at the con. 17:56 <@benthemeek> Politics and the ows movement are interesting to me and I know of noone else personally who has participated 17:57 <@benthemeek> I know you are done with the mess, but I think your google+ account isn't suspended any longer. 17:58 < aestetix> Heheh. 17:58 <@Dagmar> Him and about a jillion other people were definitely WTFing about that 17:58 < aestetix> I actually have to go to a debriefing tonight about what happened while I was out of town 17:58 < aestetix> Basically, google's whole strategy is fucked. 17:59 < aestetix> One thing I didnt' mention in my talk is that there have been several internal memos at Google, including a petition signed by a large percentage of google employees, decrying the real names policy 17:59 <@benthemeek> but they aren't suspending anyone now because of the name thing right? 18:00 <@Dagmar> Exactly 18:00 < aestetix> Like, all the stuff that has come out, including the big long list of resons why you might need a pseudonym, were actually brought to Vic's attention months before G+ came out, and he told them he didn't care 18:00 <@Dagmar> They called quits on that about a month ago 18:00 < aestetix> benthemeek: I don't know at this point. Most people who I care about have left the service. 18:00 <@benthemeek> :( 18:01 <@benthemeek> I just despise facebook so I'm rooting for the only other serios player I see right now 18:01 <@benthemeek> your non centralized thing you spoke of sound sawesome 18:01 < aestetix> benthemeek: I think people should pay more attention to diaspora 18:01 < aestetix> Yeah, diaspora does have some issues, but it's functional. 18:01 <@benthemeek> I just don't see how that will catach on 18:01 < aestetix> benthemeek: you have to give people a reason to use it. 18:02 <@benthemeek> maybe though, I will stay optimistic 18:02 < aestetix> So, the other guy I mentioned in my talk was Ed Bernays 18:02 <@CNwaV> Zomg... My lug is trying to get me to speak tomorrow... Way to give someone some warning... 18:02 < aestetix> Study his ideas. The way to propagate something is to find the social hubs... who people listen to. 18:03 < aestetix> So for example, if you learn how to set up a diaspora node, find social groups and offer to set it up for them. 18:04 < aestetix> The beautiful thing about an open source model is that if you want a feature, you have the capacity to create it yourself. 18:04 <@benthemeek> I will check it out 18:05 < aestetix> yeah 18:05 < aestetix> check out diasp.org, also they have it on github 18:05 < aestetix> (they keep saying go to joindiaspora.org, but that node requires an invite) 18:06 -!- CNwaV_lappy [~CNwaV@68-189-190-128.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com] has joined #se2600 18:08 < aestetix> I really wish I'd had another 30 minutes for my talk :p 18:08 <@benthemeek> yeah, I wish we had time for the lightning talks 18:09 -!- benthemeek is now known as benthemeek-away 18:11 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o CNwaV_lappy] by CNwaV 18:12 <@CNwaV> polerin: why didnt you show this year? 18:19 <@CNwaV> Holy crap, I just realised that I didnt take any pics in the photobooth... 18:21 < aestetix> Wow. I just heard Skydog's claims for why SDC and PN were on the same weekend. 18:21 <@Dagmar> Yeah. 18:21 <@Dagmar> Now you see why some of us were pissed. 18:21 <@Dagmar> That['s one of the smaller loads of shit 18:21 <@CNwaV> ?? 18:22 <@Dagmar> He'll dig that hole deeper 18:22 < aestetix> Well, first off, who the hell schedules their con around when speakers can make it? 18:22 <@Dagmar> People who are trying to poach speakers and attendees from other conventions, mainly 18:23 < aestetix> That's not how that works, because it gives priority to some speakers over others. You set a date, and give everyone a fair chance. It's really unfair to change the date of a conference for one speaker and force 10 others to change their schedules. 18:23 < aestetix> The exception to the priority is a keynote, because you have a different relationship with them. 18:23 <@Dagmar> All of the stuff he said was just window-dressing on the lie 18:24 < aestetix> As far as the con dollar argument.... 18:24 <@Dagmar> I like how he mentions we drained the PN funds 18:24 <@Dagmar> ...which was mainly his work. 18:24 < aestetix> The reason bsides can happen at the same time as DefCon is because it's free. Also, DefCon has a massive attendance and bsides helps get the spillover 18:25 <@Dagmar> DefCon has _massive_ spillover 18:25 <@Dagmar> They're in a whole 'nother realm of actually needing someone to help take the pressure off 18:25 <@CNwaV> But bsides is actually before defcon... Right? 18:26 <@Dagmar> I thought it was at the same time when it's in Vegas 18:26 <@Dagmar> Might be the same time as Blackhat 18:27 <@CNwaV> Bsides is before, I believe... So, yes, at the same time as blackhat 18:28 <@CNwaV> I didnt realise that bsides was free until I was at defcon and it was too late 18:28 <@Dagmar> The whole pricing of Blackhat pretty much guarantees they're not conflicting with each other 18:29 <@CNwaV_lappy> yeah, i would never pay for myself to goto blackhat 18:29 <@Dagmar> BH is for people who need to go, but who also very much need for their large organization who can afford it to pick up the tab 18:30 <@Dagmar> There's a ton of overlap there, but the people who only go to BH probably wouldn't really get along well with the DC people anyhoo (my guess) 18:31 <@CNwaV> There were plenty of people that did both... 18:31 <@Dagmar> Guys in expensive suits working on an expensed budget tend to kinda glare down their noses at guys wearing all black and cargo pants 18:31 <@Husky> huh 18:31 <@CNwaV> A lot of the people that started at dc, have now gotten to yhe point where they have cushy jobs that pay for bh... And a lot of them still goto dc 18:32 <@Dagmar> Yeah, those people are hackers 18:32 <@Dagmar> Keep in mind BH has a shitload of people who do not give a rat's ass for hacking beyond that it's their job to care that hackers can't run roughshod over them. 18:32 <@Dagmar> BH is the right everything for that 18:34 -!- RangerZ [~mawalker@c-76-22-128-206.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 18:38 <@Dagmar> People that want the insider scoop but have disdain for hackers in general get to pay a premium for it 18:38 <@Dagmar> It's also very posh to be able to expense it. :) 18:38 < RangerZ> complete guess in the dark, the co-located con at defcon? 18:39 <@Dagmar> Oh no, just splainin the difference between BH and DC 18:39 <@CNwaV> Blackhat is right before defcon 18:39 <@Dagmar> Trying to fill in details for why B-Sides isn't actually "in competition" with either of those 18:39 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: You have a beard? 18:40 <@CNwaV> Bsides is before defcon, during blackhat... 18:40 < RangerZ> goattee actually 18:40 <@Dagmar> Ah okay 18:40 <@CNwaV> Bsides semms to be speaker overflow or people that dont submit for cfp early enough.. It is also free 18:41 <@Dagmar> There was someone running around PN I am supposed to know, and would have said Hi to but I couldn't remember their bloody name 18:41 <@Dagmar> Imagine that 18:41 < RangerZ> it was Evilpig 18:41 <@Dagmar> Umm...no. 18:41 <@Dagmar> I work with him 18:41 <@Dagmar> I can spot him anywhere 18:41 < RangerZ> i know, which makes it even worse 18:41 < RangerZ> lol 18:42 <@Dagmar> Give it a year and at some point I'll have trouble recalling both Evilpig and NotLarry's names 18:42 <@Dagmar> The one bit of my brain that doesn't work up to par is the bit that recalls _names_ to faces 18:42 <@Dagmar> Handles and faces stick really well 18:42 <@Dagmar> I think PN3 or possibly PN4 I forgot _Margaret's_ name and I'd been dating her for several years 18:43 <@Dagmar> The only thing that was coming up was "Wounded Goat" and that was her handle on BBSes years back 18:43 <@Dagmar> This happened right in front of her. 18:44 <@Dagmar> ...a girl who *hits you* when you piss her off, just to be sure there's no confusion about the fact that you did something to make her mad 18:44 <@Dagmar> heh 18:44 < RangerZ> wow...thats bad 18:44 < RangerZ> you'd die in ISIS 18:45 <@Dagmar> Yeah made my arm sting, too. ;) 18:45 <@Dagmar> At least there were no pretty girls anywhere nearby at the time 18:45 <@Dagmar> ...so it's not like her name was driven out of my head by being in proximity to a short skirt or something. 18:46 < aestetix> Right, BH is before DefCon. There's usually some spillover in the last days of BH and first days of DefCon.... 18:46 < aestetix> But in general it's not a huge deal. 18:46 < RangerZ> i agree with what the one military commander said, [that it was great working with isis, b/c it sounded like you were working in star wars]... sandeeep, Janos,Gautam,Xenofon, Aniruddha and Fred 18:46 < RangerZ> lol 18:46 < aestetix> Also, while Skydog's comment on date-checking is legitimate, he ignores the geography issue. 18:47 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: ISDE has a better title for that 18:47 < RangerZ> yeah 18:47 < aestetix> I mean, there was one year that Toorcon and PhreakNIC were on the same weekend, which was annoying, but it wasn't damning. One is in San Diego, the other is in Nashville. 18:47 <@Dagmar> For whatever reason, none of their people seem to really appreciate it 18:47 <@Dagmar> I would roll that shit out in a bar at the drop of a fucking hat to impress chicks 18:48 <@CNwaV> Can you repost that link to the podcast? 18:48 < aestetix> See, if Skydog had held his con during the week, and then ended on thursday, and maybe worked out something where people who go to SDC got a discount from PhreakNIC, that would have been cool. 18:48 <@Dagmar> 'That's right baby, I work for the Institute for Space Defense Electronics. Protecting you from threats from space." 18:48 < aestetix> http://www.isdpodcast.com/2011/10/07 18:49 <@CNwaV> They ended up giving a discount to sdc attendees 18:49 <@CNwaV> Thanks 18:49 < aestetix> Well there you go. 18:49 < RangerZ> "what threats from space"... "hun, trust me... I can't tell you... but there are some" 18:49 <@Dagmar> Google magic words: "information security daily podcast skydogcon" 18:49 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: EXACTLY 18:49 <@Dagmar> It's TOO good to pass up 18:50 < aestetix> CNwaV: but yeah. Had he held it Monday through Thursday, or even just like wednesday and thursday, and then joined forces with PN, that would have been cool. 18:50 <@Dagmar> That wasn't going to happen due to all the butthurtness 18:50 <@CNwaV> Yeah, no sense in splitting the group.. 18:50 <@Dagmar> ...and yet, that's what he did 18:51 <@CNwaV> Would have been great, would have added more long range attendees 18:51 < aestetix> And that way he could have had his run and parties, and then people could have gone to PN. Attendees, if they desired, could make a fair comparison, and Skydog could spend the weekend doing his own thing. 18:52 <@Dagmar> That's not the Skydog way 18:52 <@Dagmar> There's a reason one of the "activities" he proposed for N2.6k was, I shit you not, a pinewood derby. 18:53 <@Dagmar> Not a "what bizarre creations can we roll down a track" version of it. 18:53 < RangerZ> does each have a microcontroller? ad is able to be hacked? 18:53 <@Dagmar> A completely legit one with weight and materials restrictions and everything. 18:53 <@Dagmar> ...and no power. 18:53 <@Dagmar> I made him clarify this when he proposed it 18:53 <@CNwaV> I would kick every ones ass in pinewood derby, just so you know... 18:53 <@Dagmar> Well, we're all a bunch of fucking engineers 18:54 < RangerZ> bah 18:54 < RangerZ> speak for yourself 18:54 <@Dagmar> Sure the things would be fast, but they would be completley bloody uninteresting and mainly a space that freaking ten year olds would be on par in 18:54 < RangerZ> I work in "thought space" ie... CS 18:54 < RangerZ> lol 18:54 <@Dagmar> Computer science is engineering. 18:54 < aestetix> I think the main failing point in Skydog's logic is that a conference has to happen on the weekend. 18:54 <@CNwaV> Well in a true pinewood derby race... I have a bit of experience and I still have my cars... 18:55 <@Dagmar> Yeah but what's the crossover into hacking for that? 18:55 <@Dagmar> Especially when there's very clearly defined _rules_ 18:55 < RangerZ> actually CS is math 18:55 <@CNwaV> Rules are meant to be broken... 18:55 < aestetix> Dagmar: the fact that it attracts a bunch of 10 year old boys? :p 18:55 < RangerZ> but thats a "holy war" debate 18:55 < RangerZ> lol 18:55 <@Dagmar> I would have left them at size and weight restrictions and said "Your 'car' must not set the track on fire" 18:55 <@CNwaV> There should hopefully be a dedicated hardware area next year 18:56 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Euuuuw 18:56 < RangerZ> i always support "kits" that you can build 18:56 * aestetix sighs 18:56 < RangerZ> notacon has really nice arduino badges 18:56 <@Evilpig> aestetix: for the record PN this year was tenatively scheduled the first weekend in Nov because that was out of October and laughingboy should have been able to make it. but that was just one of many factors. 18:56 <@Dagmar> The only way I could tolerate that would be to use "room temperature" superconductors in the axles. 18:57 < aestetix> I consider Skydog a friend, but jesus, his arguments really don't hold any weight. 18:57 <@Dagmar> ...which I'm pretty sure is something the Boy Scout rules would seriously frown on 18:57 <@Evilpig> second: jesus christ?! you guys amaze me that this is still being talked about. I left like two hours ago! lol 18:57 <@CNwaV> The ninja badges from dc2010 are the coolest that I have seen 18:57 <@Dagmar> ...even though it would be a decidedly frictionless axle at that point 18:57 < RangerZ> no no no... they have to be GAY room temp superconductors 18:57 < RangerZ> that way the boy scouts can't use them ;) 18:57 < aestetix> CNwaV: you do not want to know how long it took them to make them, and how expensive they were :p 18:58 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: It's taking people some time to wade through the podcast 18:58 <@Evilpig> ahhh yes the fictional account of skydick 18:58 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: I set up an esx timing check against that flaky webserver 18:58 <@Dagmar> ...and the newer versions of SNMPd don't allow 'exec' anymore. 18:59 <@CNwaV> Hey, hey, I was an eagle scout... 18:59 <@Dagmar> The 'extend' mechanism results in a OID that's fucking RIDICULOUSLY long 18:59 <@CNwaV> ..but yes, had the best sex in boy scouts... 18:59 <@Dagmar> It went from .1.3.4.1.6.5000.1.100 to something easily three times that long 18:59 <@Evilpig> and here I figured it would have been as an alterboy 18:59 < aestetix> Evilpig: sure. But it's the same thing you run into when you're trying to figure out where ten people should go for lunch. It's nearly impossible to figure out something that will satisfy everyone, people have to make compromises. 19:00 <@Dagmar> I suspect part of the numbers are ascii numerics for "n.e.e.d.s.m.o.a.r.n.u.m.b.e.r.z." 19:00 <@CNwaV> Well facebook sponsered them that year... I have a botbadge that facebook sponsored this year 19:00 <@Dagmar> CNWav: So it had secret GPS transmitters in it then? 19:00 <@Dagmar> :D 19:01 <@CNwaV> The botbadge does have wireless communication capabilities.. But they havent really told anyone that yet 19:01 <@Dagmar> heh 19:02 <@CNwaV> Hopefully bloodcode is doing better next year and can do the badges again 19:02 < aestetix> Incidentally, the question we've all been getting at... 19:02 < aestetix> What's the goal behind all these electronic badges 19:02 <@Dagmar> Just to go "HOly shit you can make this crap small as fuck now" 19:03 < aestetix> Dagmar: well, the thing is, what's the difference between having a badge you can twitter or p2p from, and having a phone app that can do that? 19:03 <@CNwaV> The ninja badges were cool... 19:03 <@Evilpig> "holy shit you can make this crap small as fuck now, and in color too" was pretty much how laughingboy described his new laser setup 19:03 <@Dagmar> ...and to give people an idea of what exactly the fuck something very tiny and mysterious looking could be doing. 19:03 < aestetix> CNwaV: no denying that. But at some point, the per unit cost on the badge gets so high it might as well be a smartphone. 19:03 < aestetix> At which point, you have to stop and ask "why are we putting so much money into one-offs?" 19:04 <@Dagmar> Because no one wants to go to a con where the attendance comes with a 2 year committment for a $120/month data plan 19:04 <@Dagmar> ;) 19:04 < aestetix> I was being facetious :p 19:04 <@CNwaV> Yeah.. I liked the dc badge this year, they there were still electronic badges... The botbadge I got was really cool... 303 had a badge too 19:05 <@Dagmar> Give it maybe 3 more years and we'll be making the things using robotic assembly machines 19:05 < aestetix> Yeah, I need to start working on the HOPE badge. 19:05 <@CNwaV> The dc badge was just a piece of waterjet cut titanium but it had a cool game that went along with it 19:05 <@Dagmar> CNC mills aren't quite up to that level of fabrication yet that I can tell 19:05 <@CNwaV> You do the hope badges? 19:05 < aestetix> Yeah. 19:05 <@CNwaV> Oh cool... Why didnt we talk hardware? 19:05 < aestetix> I can just say that 2012's will be very different. 19:06 <@Dagmar> Actaully in 3 more years we'll probably be in a space to use lithography to just etch the whole fucking thing as a "crude" wafer 19:06 < aestetix> CNwaV: it's more fair to say I'm on the team that does them. The HOPE badge is a massive effort, or at least was in 2008 and 2010 19:07 <@Dagmar> Bleh I'm going to quit sittin on this web server like it's going to hatch or something 19:07 <@CNwaV> One of the issues with elec badges... They cost a lot... A small fraction of people do stuff with them 19:07 <@Dagmar> For all I know, top is keeping it from going insane 19:07 <@CNwaV> My solution... 19:08 <@CNwaV> Do a badge with an etched pcb.... Have an area with the components to build it out if people want to invest the time and effort to make it functional 19:08 <@Dagmar> Infect attendees with a self-assembling nano-mutagen? 19:08 <@Dagmar> Ah 19:09 <@Dagmar> Or that 19:09 <@CNwaV> You like that idea evilpig? 19:09 <@Dagmar> Still, it would be cool if over the course of the first evening your badge just kind of extruded itself from your collarbone or something 19:09 < aestetix> CNwaV: there are ways to reduce the costs 19:09 <@Dagmar> Sure you could commune with the robot overlords at DigiKey 19:10 < aestetix> The DefCon badges cost a fortune, but they have a bunch of private sources of funding 19:10 <@CNwaV> If you did that, you could get the boards done cheap and you arent wasting the money on people that arent going to do anything with it 19:15 <@CNwaV> Wilpig, how many badges do you do each year? 19:15 <@Evilpig> 300 19:16 <@Evilpig> I had fun making the badges. it was a lot of work though. the folks that uploaded pictures seemed to appreciate them though. 19:16 <@CNwaV> 2 layer, 1 oz copper, 2.5"x4", green solder mask, white screen printing = ~$1.70 a piece 19:22 <@CNwaV> What was the unit cost of the ones from this year? 19:22 <@CNwaV> ..and you also wouldnt have to print them all yourself... 19:22 <@Evilpig> the badges? lol like $.10 I dunno. I didn't figure up the cost per page of toner + card stock + laminates 19:23 <@Evilpig> or the time put in 19:23 <@Evilpig> the badges were unique though and you can't easily mass produce somethign like that 19:23 <@CNwaV> The badges were really cool 19:24 <@CNwaV> I was really surprised at how cool they turned out 19:25 <@CNwaV> You could tell that a lot of thought went into them 19:26 <@Evilpig> totally worth the effort 19:26 <@CNwaV> I liked them a lot better than the badges from last year 19:26 <@Evilpig> the entire weekend was. I may have shortened my life by several years but as fucked up as it sounds I am looking forward to it again 19:27 -!- elmwood [~elmwood@93-94-245-58.dynamic.swissvpn.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:28 <@CNwaV> Hope that I can help out next year 19:29 -!- CNwaV_tp [~yaaic@68-189-190-128.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com] has joined #se2600 19:29 <@Evilpig> me too since we've already put you on the planning committee list. and all publications will be in colorblind approved red and green ink, only 19:31 < CNwaV_tp> much appreciated :P 19:32 <@Evilpig> :D anything for you. especially on that touchpad 19:33 < CNwaV_tp> that jungle speed was pissing me off 19:34 <@Evilpig> you weren't the only one. I am still completely confused as to what was going on half the time 19:34 < CNwaV_tp> yeah it was 19:38 < CNwaV_tp> what is funny... i play with rubicks cubes a lot 19:38 <@Dagmar> The game *was* designed to fuck with how your brain processes information 19:40 <@Dagmar> karl_w_w: Afaik yes. It's how the 'f' is spoken that determines things 19:43 < CNwaV_tp> when does the committee meet? 19:43 < CNwaV_tp> i am guessing that it would be a far ways away 19:54 < CNwaV_tp> i wish that i had taken more pics 20:12 <@CNwaV_lappy> echo 20:12 < CNwaV_tp> echo 20:12 * Evilpig burps 20:12 <@CNwaV> echo 20:15 -ChanServ:#se2600- Evilpig (Wilpig) set flags +voOtsriA on CNwaV. 20:18 -!- mode/#se2600 [-o CNwaV_lappy] by CNwaV_lappy 20:26 <@NotLarry> evening 20:26 <@Evilpig> no! bad NotLarry 20:28 < CNwaV_tp> if there is one thing i learned this weekend... notlarry has it all figured out 20:28 <@Evilpig> then the illusion is complete 20:29 <@Evilpig> you should take him to a bar sometime. you'll be amazed at how many numbers he gets. more surprised at how many are ready to leave with him immediately 20:29 <@NotLarry> fuck you google 20:30 < CNwaV_tp> haha... funny typo... you wrote bar when you meant barn 20:30 <@Evilpig> totally meant bar 20:30 < CNwaV_tp> i totally think you meant barn 20:31 < CNwaV_tp> i didnt know horses could have a cell phone plan... 20:31 < CNwaV_tp> ...well i guess with the advemt of prepaid cell phones 20:32 <@NotLarry> you should totally go to a barn some time. Although you may feel baaaaaaaaaaad about it in the morning. 20:32 -!- elmwood [~elmwood@80-254-76-156.dynamic.swissvpn.net] has joined #se2600 20:33 <@NotLarry> ok, how do I write my screen buffer to a file in irsis? 20:36 < CNwaV_tp> rm -rf * 20:37 < CNwaV_tp> honestly i have neer used it 20:37 < CNwaV_tp> erm, should have tjrown a / in there 20:38 < CNwaV_tp> man, i need to consolidate my workshops 20:38 <@Dagmar> SoE are the masters of fail 20:43 <@NotLarry> kill, kill, kill. 20:43 <@NotLarry> fuck me. ten minutes in the room 20:43 < CNwaV_tp> uh oh... the voices in larrys head have gained access to /dev/fingers 20:44 < RangerZ> Dagmar: I dunno about that SE (square enix) is pretty hard on the trail of every other company out there 20:48 -!- RangerZ [~mawalker@c-76-22-128-206.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:56 -!- rangerz [~mwalker@c-98-211-46-34.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 20:59 <@Dagmar> rangerz: Dude... 20:59 <@Dagmar> I've been messing with DC:UO for about a half hour now 20:59 <@Dagmar> It's Free To Pley. 21:00 <@Dagmar> They have _already_ pissed me off so much I feel like I need to actually _burn_ nine dollars a month just so they can't have it. 21:01 <@NotLarry> sigh 21:01 <@Dagmar> I waited 10 of them in a login queue, which I am back at again 21:01 <@Dagmar> I am number 3115 apparently. 21:01 <@Dagmar> ...and Oddball told me they just _merged_ servers last week 21:02 <@Dagmar> I had to exit out of the newbie tutorial for the ruthless crime of _picking something up_ 21:02 < rangerz> Dagmar: huh? 21:02 <@Dagmar> ...which was interrupted by newbie tutorial stuff, and promptly bugged. 21:02 <@Dagmar> So... can't put the fucking box *down*, can't do the objective to complete the first newbie room while I'm holding the box. 21:02 < rangerz> DC universe? 21:02 <@Dagmar> Yep. 21:03 < rangerz> ohh...yes... SoE is horrid 21:03 <@Dagmar> A game with fantastic craptons of established lore, a simple premise, and three other games like it before it to clear a path... 21:03 <@Dagmar> ...and they still fucked it up so bad I hate it in LESS than an hour. 21:03 < rangerz> SoE refuses to invest in good servers 21:04 <@brimstone> !define SoE 21:04 <@Dagmar> Sony Online "Entertainment" 21:04 <@brimstone> oh, sony 21:06 < rangerz> vanguard :saga of heroes made me want to go personally slap some project manager 21:06 < rangerz> game had so much potential.... but just was flushed down the drain so quickly 21:07 < rangerz> the first days of the beta were the best time of the system, from there they kept "improving it" and made it worse and worse 21:07 <@Dagmar> Yeah it was definitely the EQ devs working well 21:08 <@Dagmar> F**K 21:08 < rangerz> planetside also made me want to cry 21:08 <@Dagmar> The game just *exited* when I alt-tabbed 21:09 < rangerz> well thats the way they "stop" botting 21:09 < rangerz> didn't you know? 21:09 < rangerz> people used to have to pop the windows key off their everquest keyboards and their FFXI keyboards 21:09 <@brimstone> why is everyone in such a tizzy about skyrim? 21:10 < rangerz> nothing else to care about 21:10 <@Dagmar> Because Bethesda drops *massive* worlds on us 21:10 <@Dagmar> I'll probably be ordering some new hardware for it 21:10 < rangerz> almost all the games coming out now a days are "if they wont be AAA games, then don't bother" or "throw crap to the wall and see if it sticks" 21:10 < rangerz> not much in the middle anymore 21:11 <@Dagmar> Some of the crap is pretty sticky tho 21:11 < rangerz> well look at tabla rasa 21:11 < rangerz> it had lots of good traits, just didn't go anywhere 21:11 <@Dagmar> It had lag on the order of OMG 21:12 <@Dagmar> I do think they got teh combat working pretty well aside from that tho 21:12 <@Dagmar> Number 2059 in line now 21:13 < CNwaV_tp> just to login? wtf 21:13 <@Dagmar> Yep. 21:13 < CNwaV_tp> i would loose my shit 21:14 < oddball> Tabula Rasa was pretty decent at the end. The biggest issue I had was that the population was too low to really take over/hold bases. 21:14 <@Dagmar> This is why I'm impressed they appear to have actually advanced the state of the art of pissing off gamers since I last dealt with one of their properties 21:15 <@Dagmar> If the ESRB ever goes away, I dare say they'll probably use an auth mechanism that works by showing you six scenes of bestial gang rape, one of which features your own mother, and you'll be asked to pick your mother from the list of images to prove your identity 21:16 < oddball> I don't know, WoW pissed me off before I got the game installed with their old bittorrent client that would hose your internet connection. 21:16 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o oddball] by ChanServ 21:16 <@NotLarry> So, just to comment on this podcast thing, I heard part of it last week and it was the first time I had heard anything about cooperation between the two cons. When I asked skydog about this in irc he told me he had not bothered to talk to me about the cons (that would be me, the PRESIDENT of nashville2600, the organization that ignored him when he tried to contact us). 21:16 <@Dagmar> NotLarry: I was pretty sure that was more crazy-talk 21:16 <@Dagmar> oddball: Someone took my @!#$@ handle, too 21:17 <@Dagmar> So... DagmarX and evilDagmar (should be obvious which sides) 21:17 <@Dagmar> I R NUMBAR 775! 21:17 <@oddball> And I don't remember telling you that they merged servers. 21:17 <@Dagmar> ...and you say they recently _merged_ servers to bring this about? 21:17 <@Dagmar> Yeah, I'm like "WTF?" 21:17 <@NotLarry> The last time he communicated with me about phreaknic was standing in JJ's at a 2600 meeting telling us how much he had spent on phreaknic and how he didn't want anything to do with any of us or with phreaknic. 21:17 <@oddball> Hell, I don't remember mentioning DC online, although I was thinking about trying it now that it's free to play. 21:18 < CNwaV_tp> so, what was the deal with the drinking of urine? 21:18 <@Dagmar> Oh my... it crashed again 21:18 <@oddball> I remember telling you that CoH went free to play... 21:18 <@Dagmar> Ah well, I was drinking. 21:19 <@oddball> And CoH hasn't ever thought about merging servers. Closest to it is when they merged the American and European login servers so you can choose either sets. 21:22 <@Dagmar> I may check out CoV later just because it won't be as likely to piss me off, and I can probably max all the sliders 21:23 <@oddball> Oh, and if you ever had an account, it's active again. 21:23 <@oddball> Too bad it was your brothers account, or I would suggest reviving the Highlighter. 21:25 <@Dagmar> The character does an idle animation on the screen while you wait 21:25 < rangerz> i honestly have found more 'enjoyment' from single player RPGs lately 21:25 < rangerz> rather than MMOs 21:25 <@Dagmar> It's like he's standing there, rocking on his heels saying "Haha bet you wish you knew what the stats were on these gloves you put on me don't you." 21:25 <@Dagmar> "...but you can't find out because you can't even login again." 21:26 < rangerz> WoW was fun, until i got to the end-game(at the time) 21:32 <@oddball> I've enjoyed Rift quite a bit as well. It's almost like someone looked at WoW and actually tried to fix things. 21:32 <@NotLarry> CNwaV_tp: here you go - http://5z8.info/white-power-rides-upon-stallions-unstoppable_b1j5qc_trojan 21:34 <@NotLarry> So, ice was started playing little big world (?) in the psp on the drive home sunday. It popped up a screen that he started to read that was a warning about epelepsy (or spelling) then dropped away before he could read it. 21:34 < CNwaV_tp> i was talking with someone about diy board printing... 21:35 < CNwaV_tp> so, not larry, you are going to let me borrow one? 21:36 < CNwaV_tp> wow... this one can print on pretty much everything.. 21:36 -!- elmwood [~elmwood@80-254-76-156.dynamic.swissvpn.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:37 <@NotLarry> looks like they are saying we can just print. 21:37 <@NotLarry> seems resistance and flexability are issues 21:37 < CNwaV_tp> someone is giving you access to use it? 21:38 <@NotLarry> oh fuck no 21:38 <@NotLarry> http://5z8.info/38--start.spamBot--this-ip--_x5x1yy_back-to-africa 21:38 <@NotLarry> figure we make our own and fill a toner cart and see if it works. 21:39 <@NotLarry> we are going to need some silver. I think dagmar has a gun with some bullets we can use, he will never miss them. 21:39 <@NotLarry> and some binding material. 21:39 < CNwaV_tp> there is some stuff on hackaday about how to do it... 21:40 < CNwaV_lappy> and some cool stuff on printing wireless antennas... 21:40 < CNwaV_lappy> ones that harvest energy from errant radio waves... 21:43 < CNwaV_lappy> i dont know why somone hasnt been printing tardo thin and electroplating... 21:47 <@NotLarry> damn you CNwaV_tp, you can't distract me with OTHER websites. I have addHD 21:49 <@CNwaV> Haha, sorry, it is a great site 21:52 <@Dagmar> I think it's maybe easier to do the transfer paper thing with a laser printer 21:53 <@CNwaV> Once it is setup, printing directly would be easier 21:54 <@NotLarry> not looking to make a pcb per se, but rather a sheet of paper that has a conductive surface on it. 21:54 <@CNwaV> It is printing directly onto the board and then heating it enough to melt traces... 21:55 <@NotLarry> read, a badge that, once laminated, is stiff enough that you can build on it. 21:55 <@CNwaV> Toner transfer, you have to iron on, clean, and then wait on etching 21:56 <@CNwaV> Wondering what you would have to print on to be able to still solder or affix stuff to it... 21:58 <@Dagmar> They worked on this a long time 21:58 <@Dagmar> I got back into the game and in the very next room, they explicitly told me to pick up things 21:58 <@CNwaV> Worked on what? 21:58 <@Dagmar> Again, bugged. 21:59 <@Dagmar> Position 1107 in queue 21:59 <@NotLarry> cardstock, you would need to not solder to it, but after it is lamenated simply prick a hole in the laminate and push the connector in 21:59 <@Dagmar> Worked on how to maximize the opportunities to piss off the player 21:59 <@CNwaV> Would that make a reliable enough connection? 22:00 <@CNwaV> Only one way to find out... 22:00 <@Dagmar> So... fragile AND flammable 22:01 <@NotLarry> reliable enough to get you through a con weekend, not reliable enough to last. much like phreaknic5 con badges 22:01 <@CNwaV> What were the badges for 5? 22:01 <@NotLarry> 3.5" floppies 22:02 <@CNwaV> I should have grabbed jx to check out his badge.collection 22:04 <@CNwaV> I priced out some professional custom boards earlier... 22:04 <@CNwaV> Sounded too expensive... 22:06 < CNwaV_lappy> they were $1.70 a piece at 300 pieces.... double sided, 1 oz copper, green solder mask with white screen printing... 2.5x4 inches... 22:06 < CNwaV_lappy> cost could be brought down by doing single sided... 22:07 <@NotLarry> ok, which language to choose? http://aichallenge.org/starter_packages.php 22:08 <@CNwaV> Are you doing the free stanford courses? Ai and machine learning... 22:09 <@NotLarry> no, I'm bored. 22:12 <@CNwaV> Haha... Ware has been kicked from the chan 439 times... 22:13 <@am1n0> haha 22:13 <@NotLarry> who? 22:14 <@Evilpig> some troll 22:14 <@Catonic> damn chatterboxes 22:14 <@NotLarry> I have not seen a ware at the troll meetings 22:14 <@Evilpig> btw I never got my c&d from that other douche 22:17 <@CNwaV> C and d? 22:18 <@Evilpig> cease and desist 22:18 <@Evilpig> decist? 22:18 <@CNwaV> Over what? 22:18 <@Evilpig> me being a dick pretty much 22:18 <@Evilpig> epeen measuring contest and mine was bigger 22:21 <@NotLarry> maybe corewares 22:21 <@NotLarry> s/corewares/corewars 22:21 <@CNwaV> So, you were being a dick about your dick? 22:22 <@Evilpig> I was just being a dick in general. gonna lay down now. kinda tired. my sleeping schedule is all fubar 22:23 <@CNwaV> Oh, btw, remind me sometime tomorrow... Have a pic for you 22:23 <@Catonic> I wonder if I can get my attorney to write ware a c&d letter... 22:24 <@CNwaV> I think you need a restraining order... 22:24 <@Catonic> NotLarry: can you put me in touch with the judge? 22:24 <@Evilpig> CNwaV: k. is it boobies? I like boobies 22:25 <@Catonic> Evilpig: are you a boobies core? 22:25 <@NotLarry> I used to have a glove box full of signed tros. Would use them to break the ice with women in bars. "Excuse me, but your going to want to fill in your personal information and file this at the courthouse.: 22:28 <@CNwaV> Wow, slashdot is behind on some stuff.. 22:28 <@Catonic> NotLarry: that's not exactly what I would do, but damn close. 22:29 <@CNwaV> Btw, the vendor didnt come back like he promised... He was supposed to pickup a special tool to sell to me on saturday... 22:30 <@Evilpig> I didn't think I saw him saturday. something must have come up. that's a shame too 22:30 <@oddball> CNwaV: Can't be worse than when BoinBoing kept having posts about these cool brand new card/board games that I had been playing for 5 years. 22:32 <@CNwaV> Yeah... I will have to email him and see if he can give me a break on shipping... 22:34 <@CNwaV> I am still waiting on my game to catch on... Owaganoggin 22:34 <@NotLarry> I don't know, I didn't like it. 22:35 <@oddball> ? 22:35 <@Catonic> http://youtu.be/wcAlpRbAee4 22:35 <@CNwaV> I am upset at the lack of participation in my contest... 22:39 <@CNwaV> Although I can understand if people thought the contest was sexist.... 22:39 <@CNwaV> ...females usually dont fare too well in peeing for distance contests... 22:44 <@NotLarry> they can pee higher on a wall than you can, I don't know about distance 22:48 <@NotLarry> "The Model I radiated so much interference that while playing games an AM radio placed next to the computer could be used to provide sounds" 22:52 <@oddball> I'd call that a feature! Wireless speakers! 22:53 <@NotLarry> ikr 22:53 <@Catonic> oddball: you have a future in marketing. did you see acidus's talk? 22:53 <@oddball> yes I did. :) 22:54 <@NotLarry> first computer I remember staying up all night with - http://5z8.info/freeanimalporn.com-start-download_a1j8zs_bomb 22:55 <@Catonic> Which one did you get to second base with? 22:55 <@NotLarry> damn it, someone has to get a little more of the "I better get that" attitude going. 22:57 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes@173.13.247.210] has joined #se2600 22:57 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes@173.13.247.210] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:58 <@NotLarry> Looks like notlarry is going to go home soon. 22:58 <@Catonic> To whose wife? 22:58 <@NotLarry> I swear, I didn't fuck anyone this weekend, didn't make out, didn't share any drinks, and I get the damn cold. 22:58 <@NotLarry> No my chest hurts from coughing so hard and I can't stay awake 22:59 <@NotLarry> or it could be it is too dull in here. 22:59 <@Catonic> I told you not to make out with Evilpig. 22:59 <@NotLarry> " <@NotLarry> I swear, I didn't fuck anyone this weekend, didn't make out, didn't share any drinks, and I get the damn cold." Seriously Catonic, try to keep up. 23:01 <@Catonic> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dKjVzj2STc 23:06 <@NotLarry> http://www.dragunov.net/svd.html 23:07 < aestetix> man 23:07 < aestetix> the gf is watching some awful vampire tv show 23:08 < aestetix> I'm hearing the dialogue. It's awful. I just said "that dialogue is awful. They had better be hot" 23:08 < aestetix> (and over 18) 23:08 <@NotLarry> you got to be more specific 23:21 <@Catonic> http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFCE9DCA1C655741B 23:42 <@CNwaV> My cousin just bought a 2.4 million dollar house... He needs to be kicked in the balls.. 23:43 <@CNwaV> Why would anyone spend their money like that? 23:43 <@NotLarry> no, he just needs to understand I'm gonna be sleeping on the couch for an undetermined amount of time. 23:45 <@CNwaV> We really dont see him anymore... He moved to california and kinda refuses to ever leave... Like he feels that the rest of the us is crap... You know how cali people get 23:47 <@CNwaV> Us = U.S. 23:58 < rangerz> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRBDMMVctu8 23:58 < rangerz> yeah... this is pretty much true 23:59 < rangerz> 2/3 cleveland sports teams are actually pretty good, indians/cavs --- Log closed Tue Nov 08 00:00:16 2011