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02:04 <@Bahhumbug> I'm sure this is known, but in the off-chance it's not: http://www.thc.org/thc-ssl-dos/
02:54 <@Evilpig> lol.   old bug new tools
02:54 <@Bahhumbug> The SL code is scary.
02:54 <@Bahhumbug> SSL, meh
02:55 <@Bahhumbug> too tired to type.
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04:42 <@NotLarry> ok, meet skynet - http://www.nest.com/
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04:48 <@Evilpig> I wouldn't call that skynet
04:48 <@Evilpig> interesting though
07:35 <@Dagmar> I'd call it "too fucking expensive"
08:40 <@Dickie> Every time I see Dagmar say something, I think it says Dickie, then I'm all "I AIN'T SAID THAT"
08:40 <@Dickie> But then I dumb
08:40 <@Dickie> ...and that's my story.
08:43 <@Evilpig> put on your hat and sit in the corner, Dickie.
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09:53 <@Dagmar> Ho-lee shit
09:53 <@Dagmar> http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/10/25/wall-st-giants-seek-a-piece-of-nigerias-sovereign-fund/?hp
09:53 <@Dagmar> If you needed any more proof that Wall Street engages in inadvisable gambling rather than actual investment... lolol
09:59 < ware> Dagmar: how should i be utilizing my Xoom more!
10:04 <@NotLarry> wow, that is fucked even for the masters of the universe
10:41 < ware> This Month's Network Transfer Pool
10:42 < ware> 2% Used
10:42 < ware> 98% Remaining
10:42 < ware> 4GB Used, 196GB Remaining, 200GB Quota
10:42 < ware> whoops
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11:45 < CNwaV> Is there any area to post about ride sharing?
11:48 < eryc> for skydogcon?
11:49 < CNwaV> Im going to both
11:50 < CNwaV> I am driving, trying to see if there is anyone in the area or on my way that would need a ride.
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14:41 < ware> http://www.wsmv.com/story/15877087/200-marijuana-plants-found-in-east-nashville
14:42 < ware> coworkers current gf's ex-husband
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16:09 <@Dagmar> Oh whoops.  heh
16:09 <@Dagmar> I read about that
17:29 <@Sheath> yummy bud
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19:11 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: Time for another Facebook auction! We just changed drink providers to
19:11 <@Evilpig> Coke/NOS. We need to unload some Monster drinks. Case of 24 orange Monster starting at $10 - place your bids
19:14 < eryc> 1 rupee
19:20 <@Evilpig> that's from Play n Trade in the boro
19:26 < ware> ill get a case
19:26 < ware> how many cases are you getting rid of
19:27 <@Evilpig> http://www.facebook.com/#!/pntmurf     ask 'em
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19:27 <@Evilpig> if you haven't been in there, you should check them out at least once.  pretty cool bunch of folks down there
19:27 < ware> i dont think i have
19:28 < CNwaV> Where at?
19:28 <@Evilpig> Murfreesboro
19:28 <@Evilpig> errr Play n Trade in ^
19:29 < CNwaV> Ah..
19:29 < ware> i setup cacti on my new server
19:29 < ware> pretty neat what you can do with it
19:33 < CNwaV> Anyone have a hakko iron they are selling?
19:51 <@Dagmar> Blerf
19:51 <@Dagmar> Cacti is full of hate
19:51 <@Dagmar> It's pretty good for throwing up canned graphs tho
19:55 <@Evilpig> does anyone have a used laptop they are looking to sell?  had someone email me this afternoon looking for one for her son
20:06 < RangerZ> i have one that is almost useless, lol
20:06 < RangerZ> only port on it that works is the power , no usb or anything works, lol
20:06 <@Evilpig> haha
20:06 <@Evilpig> that's pretty sad
20:06 < RangerZ> plus it is a p4 or something
20:08 <@Dagmar> I have a Dell with four batteries that may or may not have a hard drive in it still
20:08 <@Dagmar> I'll have to look.
20:08 <@Dagmar> It was at least reliable while I was using it
20:17 <@Evilpig> oh mythbusters.  what won't you try.  C4 as a cooking fuel.
20:55 < CNwaV> It werks
20:57 <@Dagmar> Hmm... Who is this rumor mill?
20:57 <@Evilpig> they are trying to prove it is a safe cooking fuel.  they've done all kinds of craziness trying to make it blow up
20:57 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: what rumor mill?
20:57 <@Dagmar> The rumor mill Skydog speaks of in this podcast.
20:58 <@Dagmar> I'm finally listening to it and it's fairly crap from the standpoint of factual accuracy
20:58 <@Dagmar> I can see why Dru was pissed
20:59 <@Dagmar> Like, Skydog at least did correct the interviewer when he said Skydog founded Phreaknic, but then he goes on to say he was at PN 2
20:59 <@Dagmar> ...which um... Not unless he hid well
21:00 <@Evilpig> notlarry and I don't remember him being around before 6.  he kinda stands out
21:00 <@Evilpig> tom thinks he was there before but can't prove it one way or the other
21:00 <@Dagmar> Yeah and I went to _Jr. High_ and _High School_ with him
21:00 <@Dagmar> I'd have damn well noticed
21:00 <@Evilpig> citing hazy hazy memories
21:00 <@Dagmar> I know my memories of those are hazy but I'd sure as hell have remembered it if anyone else from Redneck High had been around
21:00 <@Evilpig> is that irongeek's podcast from two weeks ago or so?
21:01 <@Dagmar> InfoSec Daily
21:01 <@Dagmar> This stuff about being unable to do stuff by committee is crazy
21:01 <@Evilpig> we get everything done by committee
21:01 <@Dagmar> He picked people he wanted to do stuff instead of digging around and figuring out who was burning to do stuff
21:01 <@Dagmar> The bit where he says the non-profit "took over" is just silliness
21:02 <@Dagmar> Dunno where he got that idea
21:02 <@Evilpig> guess I need to listen to it
21:02 <@Dagmar> Yeah try not to pop a gasket
21:02 <@Dagmar> I'm sure you're going to get furious about some of the stuff but at this point there's so much vague shit being thrown around that smells MUCH like manipulations it's time to start writing shit down
21:02 <@Evilpig> stuff like that really has a tendency to set me off, which is partially why I haven't done it.
21:02 <@Dagmar> CC me, Dru, Tom, and Rattle
21:03 <@Dagmar> There's a whole ton of stuff I could clear up, but it would all fall under the heading of airing dirty laundry
21:03 <@Evilpig> there is email going around right now between dru, tom, rattle and dolemite
21:03 <@Dagmar> Yeah I'm in on that chain now
21:03 <@Dagmar> Some of this stuff tho...
21:03 <@Evilpig> it is almost to the point of airing dirty laundry and shaming that fool into obscurity
21:04 <@Dagmar> DUnno what the hell he's talking about with the room parties and him "nearly being kicked out of the hotel" unless they were fucking around with the goddamn fog machine again
21:04 <@Evilpig> I'll listen to this later.  reworking the badges right now.  utilizing more space.  making room for my tamper protection
21:04 <@Evilpig> he was nearly kicked out last year
21:04 <@Evilpig> cause of the fog machine that was setting off the fire alarms,  his people COVERING the smoke detectors
21:05 <@Dagmar> Was it about setting off the smoke alarms?
21:05 <@Dagmar> Yeah, see he doesn't seem to want to remember that
21:05 <@Evilpig> disabling the lights in that hall
21:05 <@Dagmar> This year I will just go toxic about it
21:05 <@Evilpig> the hotel wanted to boot him.  
21:05 <@Evilpig> I talked them out of it.  
21:06 <@Evilpig> skydick and polerin_ were butting heads pretty heavily last year too.  and that didn't help things
21:06 <@Dagmar> Please try and keep this non-aggressive.  I know I'm somewhat inclined to bite a head or two off about the misinformation, but I'm not going to be a party to making this crap any worse
21:06 <@Dagmar> If we can just all play this cool as cucumbers for hte duration it'll get sorted
21:06 <@Evilpig> I've been stirring the pot lately.  I'm fine with my name being smeared into being an asshole
21:07 <@Evilpig> afterall  http://skydickcon.com
21:07 <@Dagmar> Yeah but it won't really help the situation, and it gives more ammunition for manipulative and misrepresentative statements like "I almost got kicked out of the hotel"
21:07 <@Dagmar> I'm not sure who exactly are the damn gossip hounds but clearly there's some around somewhere
21:07 <@Dagmar> Maybe in his camp.  not sure.
21:08 <@Dagmar> Certainly someone lives for drama
21:08 <@Evilpig> we know who lives for drama
21:08 <@Dagmar> Yeah but they're pretty much utteryl uninvolved with anything more advanced than dying their hair lately
21:09 <@Evilpig> not that one.  the one all the drama is centered around anyhow
21:11 <@Dagmar> Maybe.
21:11 <@Dagmar> I can't really rule it out
21:11 <@NotLarry> wasn't last year the time people from the skydog event in his room trolled that woman with the gun?
21:12 <@Evilpig> we don't know they did that
21:12 <@Dagmar> huhwhat?
21:12 <@NotLarry> ok
21:12 <@Dagmar> Trolled a woman with a gun?
21:12 <@Evilpig> we know that someone did.  
21:12 <@Evilpig> dag you didn't hear about me getting a gun pulled on me?
21:12 <@Dagmar> Oh... I heard about some crazy woman
21:12 <@Evilpig> some woman down on three threatened to shoot me through the door
21:12 <@NotLarry> I met her, sweet woman, nice tits
21:12 <@Dagmar> heh
21:13 <@Evilpig> someone wrote on skydick's door that woman's room number and said there was a party down there
21:13 <@Dagmar> I think she was perhaps aware of the nature of the neighborhood, but was not aware of the nature of the people currently filling the hotel.
21:13 <@Evilpig> she was in full on cunt mode.  she was trying to get free shit from the hotel
21:13 <@Dagmar> That neighborhood is sketch as fuck
21:14 <@Dagmar> Yeah but pulling a gun on someone like that isn't a way to get free shit, it's just a sign of crazy
21:14 <@Evilpig> she was complaining to the hotel prior to the gun incident
21:14 <@NotLarry> so he was at pn2?  damn.  Shame he couldn't make it to pn4 or pn5
21:14 <@Dagmar> Being bugfuck insane isn't counter to trying weasel free shit either
21:15 <@NotLarry> well, she was pointing the gun at evilpig, so I was cool with her.
21:15 <@NotLarry> Not the first time some crazy with a gun has been upset with evilpig
21:15 <@Dagmar> heh
21:15 <@Evilpig> the gun was a first for me.  but pissed off crazy bitch is nothing new
21:15 <@Dagmar> NotLarry: Like I said, I went to high school with him.  If he was at 2 he kept a really low profile
21:16 <@Dagmar> I was all over the place at the ones that were held at the Drury which was 1, 2, and 3 IIRC
21:16 <@NotLarry> I was all over the days in, hell, had to flee from pn5
21:17 <@Dagmar> Hell isnt' 2 the one where there's the picture of me passed out in public and note thta no one was crazy enough to try and write on me?
21:17 <@Dagmar> I wasn't drunk I was just exhausted
21:17 <@Dagmar> Also it would have been kinda lame to not say hi to me when I was manning the turntables
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21:18 <@Dagmar> If someone tries writing on me when I've been up all night keeping the facility secure, they'd better be writing with a strawberry creme roll
21:18 <@Evilpig> that can be arranged
21:19 <@Dagmar> 1. It would be more possible for them to eat it, and 2. it would be just weird enough to not ire me
21:19 <@Dagmar> I'd definitely have the marker in their mouth before letting up
21:19 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: If you can manage that from some reasonably attractive and OF AGE women I'm game
21:19 <@Dagmar> hehe
21:20 <@NotLarry> Dagmar: you ride your scooter this morning?  I had someone pass me looked like you
21:20 <@Dagmar> Yeah I rode today
21:20 <@Evilpig> oh dag...  you know there is only one person in the world i'd get to do that to you.  Dru. :D
21:20 <@Dagmar> I'm going to have to explore some street maps of the West End area
21:20 <@NotLarry> you go down 16th to edgehill?
21:21 <@Dagmar> No I generally just come West End to Woodmont, and turn left at the top of 18th
21:21 <@Dagmar> I gotta look at the street maps because West End has this weird tendency to sometimes take twenty fucking minutes to get from the school zone just across the interstate to the office like it did this morning
21:22 <@Dagmar> NotLarry: The big clue is that if you're near me, you can usually hear the stero
21:22 <@Dagmar> This evening was weirdly silent because one of the SMT pushbuttons for volume came off the board in the thing
21:23 <@Dagmar> I managed to fix it but I have doubts about the fitness of the epoxy I used to reinforce it
21:23 <@Dagmar> If the stuff doesn't HARDEN SOON I'm going to scrape it out and use JBQuick
21:24 <@Evilpig> NotLarry: I am going to be doing badges tomorrow night.  I need the names of the guys doing the gaming stuff
21:24 <@Dagmar> Actually I may just get some garden variety epoxy for that instead of JBQuick since it's got a shitload of metal in it and is generally conductive
21:24 <@Evilpig> btw I just got 11:40 sec into that podcast.  my stomach started churning so I had to stop
21:24 <@NotLarry> what is the link?
21:25 <@Evilpig> http://www.isdpodcast.com/episode-490-interview-with-trevor-hearn-skydog
21:25 <@Dagmar> I do get the feeling that very possibly if Trevor is being straight about this rumor mill shit, it's someone in his camp fostering it
21:26 <@Dagmar> Note that Trevor DID correct that he wasn't a founder of PN
21:26  * rhia sneaks in
21:26 <@Dagmar> sup rhia
21:26 <@NotLarry> wow, rhia, nice to see you
21:26 <@Dagmar> We're sort of actually paying attention to the drama in order to try to sort it
21:26 <@NotLarry> I got gummie bears, you want some?
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21:27 <@rhia> i am NOT, repeat, NOT getting involved, but I do not remember the skypuppy from out first 2 cons, 3 & 4 & ... 6??
21:27 <@Evilpig> NotLarry: have they been in your pocket?  are they all warm?
21:27  * rhia hugs all
21:27  * RangerZ hugs rhia back
21:27  * Evilpig hugs rhia way too tight
21:27 <@NotLarry> I was offering to rhia, not you
21:27 <@NotLarry> I already sorted out the red ones for the notwife
21:27 <@rhia> Dagmar: i'd write strawberry cream on you when passed out - and put, oh, skydogs name on it <G>
21:28 <@rhia> i'm old and not scared of shit like i used to be <G>
21:28 <@Dagmar> rhia: That's been pretty much my stance because I hate drama, but at this point I gotta get involved just to try and dampen this shit down
21:28 <@Evilpig> back to my photoshopping
21:28 <@NotLarry> I think I'm going to go put the bike up on the jack and redo my fork oil
21:28 <@rhia> Evilpig: drag0ns still have sharp talons and sharper teeth ;)
21:28 <@Evilpig> claws be damned!
21:28 <@Dagmar> Rick Hayes *sounds* like he's been hearing things from people
21:29  * rhia glomps NotLarry  - us old foggies have to support each other ;)
21:29 <@Dagmar> I'll probably "reach out" to him tomorrow and see if he'll cough up who is saying what
21:29 <@Dagmar> Hell, for all we know it could be coming from entirely separate third parties we have no idea WHO they are
21:29 <@Evilpig> haha.  Notlarry and I had breakfast last week and his creepy old man side came out and nearly had a waitress taking the rest of the day off for tequila shots.
21:29 <@Dagmar> Fuck it could be the goddamn CIA for all I know
21:29 <@Dagmar> We've got a pretty good network of people
21:30 < RangerZ> NSA, they have a nice bonus if you sign up with a CS degree
21:30 <@Dagmar> It would be in the best interests of totalitarians if we sort of burst apart at the seams, and we know they'r not above that
21:30 < RangerZ> ....not that I know anything about that...
21:31 <@Dagmar> Did someone ask Trevor to use his equipment after this leg-pissing thing?
21:31 < RangerZ> CIA is like 20k, and 40k per language , or something stupid like that
21:31 <@Dagmar> What the hell is this figurehead shit tho.... 46m19s
21:31 <@rhia> I remember the skypup from our last con, but honestly, we were so busy the first two helping out with the ... ahem... "network" and tracking down Mav and the like.... I dunno if he was there or not, but he DID introduce himself to me at 5 or 6, the last we attended, & i didn't recognize him
21:31 < RangerZ> (real spoken languages, not programming)
21:31 <@Evilpig> 5 was days inn airport, and 6 was ramada downtown
21:32 <@Evilpig> just sayin'
21:32 <@NotLarry> Dagmar: got the libvirt shit running
21:32 <@rhia> Evilpig: k, that helps, somewhat
21:33 <@rhia> yrs helps better - cuz after the 2nd con we attended, we did Atlantacon the next 1.5 yrs later
21:34 <@rhia> or, was that the 3rd con we attended? all blurred, but i DO remember the first time i met trevor - the last con and he struck me as an arrogant oily weasel
21:34 <@Dagmar> I *think* the first three were at the Drury
21:34 <@Evilpig> this is 15...  so 5 was 2001, 6 was 2002
21:34 <@rhia> and i have logs, somewhere, of me talking with the other females of what oily means and they all agreed he qualified
21:35 <@rhia> Dagmar: we did the Drury twice, and one more other
21:35 <@rhia> Evilpig: that helps
21:35 <@rhia> damn, time to go give diabetic kitty food and insulin (fun, not)  bbiab
21:35 <@Dagmar> I have this stack of laminates and a circuit board from 3.
21:35 <@Dagmar> I'm pretty sure that was at the Drury
21:36 <@Dagmar> Long goddamn time ago tho
21:36 <@Dagmar> Then there was the ill-chosen hotel and the incident with the blowed-up laser and then the fucking frat boys who I strongly suspect stole a computer from the party area
21:37 <@Dagmar> That hotel downtown was a bad fit
21:38 <@Evilpig> blowed up laser was ramada downtown. which led to part of the booking issues this year
21:38 <@Evilpig> the new booking chick from the hotel was at the ramada that year
21:38 <@Evilpig> she remembers us... not fondly
21:38 <@Dagmar> Yeah but was that 4?
21:38 <@Evilpig> 5
21:38 <@Evilpig> err 6
21:38 <@Evilpig> that was the pint glass year
21:38 <@Evilpig> and the shirts with the long quote on them
21:38 <@Dagmar> Ah yeah, I deliberately didn't get one of those I think
21:39 <@Dagmar> Okay so the first three were at the Drury then
21:39 <@Evilpig> yeah
21:40 <@Evilpig> 4 and 5 had the science experiment pool
21:40 <@Dagmar> ?
21:40 <@Dagmar> I'll have to post to the ML about the smoke machine thing
21:41 <@Dagmar> Don't want anyone to be suprised when the top of my head comes off and fire comes out of my eyes
21:41 <@Evilpig> heh
21:41 <@Evilpig> okay gonna hit play again and get back to reworking this badge design
21:42 <@Evilpig> rhia: you want me to make you an honory not showing up badge and email it to you?  heh
21:42 <@Dagmar> Seriously, how many years in a row can people be that consistently stupid about something that's not unreasonable (i.e., not screwing with fire marshall regs)
21:42 <@Evilpig> rules don't matter when you're having fun!  duh!
21:44 <@Dagmar> When disregarding them is likely to bring Heat down, they're to be followed to the letter
21:44 <@rhia> Evilpig: considering we're in Seattle now, sure!
21:46 <@NotLarry> sweet, the kids are gonna need a place to stay in Seattle!
21:48 <@rhia> hope the neighbors like them, then, cuz we don't even have a couch let alone a spare bedroom
21:49 <@Evilpig> you said I could sleep in the freezer.
21:50 <@rhia> k, we were at 3, 4 & 6 - 6 is when we first met the airpuppy
21:50 <@rhia> Evilpig: we had to leave that in Dallas, you're still welcome to sleep in it, tho
21:51 <@rhia> btw, Seattle is awesome, that is all - back to the conversation
21:52 <@Evilpig> my aunt is in portland.  been trying to get me up that direction.
21:52 <@NotLarry> I'm thinking bc might be better for me
21:52 <@NotLarry> your creepy aunt?
21:52 <@Evilpig> nope.  bitchy one
21:52 <@rhia> NotLarry: same here, but we don't have enough in the bank to move there
21:53 <@rhia> trevor is pulling a rockit, no surprise there
21:53 <@Evilpig> SHOW ME THE MONEY!!! WOOOOO!!!!
21:53 <@Evilpig> I should hit play. :-/
21:54 <@rhia> rockit started his cons trying to claim atlantcon - he helped us out in the 2nd with his place for meetings
21:54 <@rhia> he went behind our backs for corporate sponsorship, that backfired because he couldn't sign for it (and we wouldn't)
21:56 < eryc> http://i.imgur.com/8u5sI.png
21:57 <@rhia> but then in the next few years, he tried to claim he was THE person behind it all - NONE of us had even met him before the 2nd con, and his contribution to II? his place for meetings, corporate whoring we wouldn't sign for, and a grandious view of himself as gawd - so, yeah, the airpup is pulling a rockit
21:58 <@rhia> since i have a few of you in channel ..... W T F happened to make airpuppy con equal to the venerable PhreakNic?
21:58 < eryc> what's awesome about seattle
21:59 <@Dagmar> rhia: See there's something I don't get
21:59 <@Dagmar> The way he was talking about it was fairly uncool and belittling
21:59 <@rhia> the climate, the people, the electorial process, the food, the atmosphere, ....
21:59 <@rhia> Dagmar: and?
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21:59 < eryc> its cold and rainy there
22:00 <@Dagmar> rhia: And what?
22:00 < eryc> i think you got warped by dallas
22:00 < daslaptop> I'm looking at DIY gravity water filtration systems.
22:00 < daslaptop> For camping.
22:00 <@Dagmar> THe problem is that none of what he said was an outright falsehood
22:00 <@rhia> sorry, we shut rockit down - fast, hard, and with some legal BS
22:00  * daslaptop ponders if he's doing to die of dysteny in the near future.
22:00 <@Dagmar> It's just a hideously nonrepresentative way of approaching the subject material
22:01 <@Dagmar> I'm no longer really thinking Wilbur's anger is all that unwarranted
22:01 <@Dagmar> He very literally made it sound like the entirety of PN has started over from scratch as a pack of noobs or something
22:01 <@rhia> eryc: would agree, but grew up in the SE and know every major city from Orlando to NO to Raleigh and points west - this place rocks,
22:01 <@rhia> eryc: so, bite me <G>
22:02 <@rhia> Dagmar: yup, that's what rockit tried - hence me saying the puppy has pulled a rockit
22:02 <@Evilpig> 20:33.  I have a feeling I need to get some hipboots on
22:03 <@Dagmar> Who the hell was supposedly asking him to "figurehead" PN this year?
22:03 <@rhia> you have audio of him lying, and twisting the truth, and "misrepresenting" himself, use it
22:03 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: yes, that whole section I sort of mentally subtitled as "not in touch with reality"
22:03 <@Evilpig> rhia: we have had some corporate sponsor ship of PN since.. 7 or 8.  We try to get a sponsor to cover the water bottles. and all they really got out of it was their logo in the program and on the waterbottles 
22:03 <@Evilpig> sponsorship*
22:03 <@Dagmar> Ordering people to do things on pain of glaring is not the same as doing
22:04 <@Dagmar> Watching said people fail or marginally muff it is also not the same thing as being prevented from doing
22:04 <@Evilpig> for three or four years it was my employer Integrated Computer Solutions.  this year it is "Wilpig Consulting"  I need to put contact info on my business site....
22:05 <@Dagmar> Oh wow
22:05 <@Dagmar> If I'd known THAT was an option
22:05 <@rhia> Evilpig: i'm not totally against corporate, but we (all 6 of us at atlantacon) were 100% against the corporates he tried to bring in (2 slid by, but they were the least offensive)
22:05 <@Dagmar> I will be in touch about that next year.  :)
22:05 <@Dagmar> I might need to consult a lawyer> heh
22:05 <@rhia> hehe
22:05 <@Evilpig> that I understand.  we did it just so that we could give people more stuff.  
22:06 <@Dagmar> Is it legal to make up a phony company called "I've got a big dick, ladies?"
22:06 <@Evilpig> and the water bottles this year i'm proud of. heh
22:06 <@Dagmar> I think I'm probably on safe ground with the "More Chix For Dagmar Foundation"
22:06 <@rhia> Evilpig: is one thing to have corporate sponsors who "get" the idea, is quite another to have those who want to change everything about the con .... think of the cons Rockit did later, you'll get what i mean
22:06 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: if you wanna pay for them I don't much care what goes on them.  I have a set of graphics in mind for the right bottle... where the tip of the bottle would be hilarious to see someone drinking from
22:07 <@Evilpig> oh I understand completely
22:07 <@Dagmar> Well, on THAT front I'd be more likely to want to label the bottles "Holistic Uranium Water"
22:07 <@Evilpig> I approached one company this year to sponsor the BBQ I wanted to do but he said his marketing girl shot down the idea because she didn't like our image.  heh
22:07 <@rhia> but, really, what the fuck happened to make skydog show his ass so enormously?
22:08 <@Dagmar> rhia: My guess at the present time... Gossip whores somewhere
22:08 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: notlarry wants you to redo the hackerinside logo to say water inside for next year as well
22:08 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: I approve of that message
22:08 <@rhia> Dagmar: gossip whores WORSE than skydog??
22:08 <@Evilpig> rhia: a few things.  one a stupid post on a forum hardly anyone sees.  two) he was voted out of office and he claims conspiracy around that
22:08 <@Dagmar> rhia: yeah so again, I dunno about that.  This shit on the podcast would definitely fit the bill of gossip whoring, which is why I'm gonna mail the guy from the podcast tomorrow
22:09 <@rhia> Evilpig: ahhhhhhh .... ego strike,
22:09 <@Evilpig> indeed
22:09 <@Dagmar> I wanna know if he was hearing this shit from someone other than Trevor
22:09 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: by the time that idea came up this year it was too late to do anything with it
22:09 <@Dagmar> For all I know Ladymerlin might be working behind the scenes like a deranged supervillian
22:09 <@Dagmar> That doesn't really strike me as her, but then I don't know her very well
22:10 <@rhia> so, egocentric petulant puppy ... damn, that dude needs to grow into the pair he supposedly carries
22:10 <@Dagmar> The most closely i've dealt with her was the time someone *I still don't know who* up and decided I had something against dyslexics and I'm pretty sure I got that squared away with her... but not before I had Trevor in my grill about it
22:10 <@Bahhumbug> the amount of bs drama centered around this numbnut is simply amazing.
22:11 <@rhia> Bahhumbug: amen
22:11 <@Dagmar> If he's really dreaming up all this crazy shit on his own, I just have no idea
22:11 <@Bahhumbug> this is one asshat.  just one.  and frankly not a very important one at that.
22:11 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: Did you listen to that podcast?
22:11 <@Bahhumbug> I've got it downloaded, will listen to it later.
22:11 <@Bahhumbug> but understand, I don't know anyone involved.
22:11 <@Dagmar> Yeah you'll definitely want to listen to it
22:12 <@Dagmar> It's like looking at the tip of an iceberg
22:12 <@Bahhumbug> so all I'm likely going to get out of it is the urge to want to stab someone.
22:12 <@rhia> Bahhumbug: yes & no, he's not important, but he's vocal and has a following and is using it all to undermine what gave him a start - petty, vulgar, and petulant
22:12 <@Dagmar> Tehre's a whole bunch of something not-quite-right going on
22:13 <@Evilpig> I describe him as having sheeple
22:13 <@Bahhumbug> well, from what I've gathered over the past few months from all this...   he's good at marketing himself.  at least to those that buy into his shit.
22:13 <@Dagmar> Well, it's easy to idolize people who don't shun you when you're a big damn nerd
22:13 <@Dagmar> I am not knocking them.
22:13 <@rhia> Bahhumbug: hell, i haven't done anything beyond 'peep' in here in years, but i do know the history and the key players - and this skydogcon is rotten BS
22:13 <@Dagmar> I am still a big damn nerd myself, but I do recall the tendencies
22:14 <@Bahhumbug> My take on "skydogcon" is he must have a really tiny dick if he has to name a con after himself.
22:14 <@rhia> Dagmar: geek, dear, not nerd - unless you've taken to wearing pocket protectors <G>
22:14 <@Dagmar> rhia: Well, probably
22:14 <@Evilpig> I have to wear pocket protectors.  pocket pool accidents. :(
22:14 <@Dagmar> Socially speaking I have my good days and my bad days
22:14 <@Dagmar> rofl
22:15 <@Dagmar> There are some days when I am seriously rolling 20's and everyone loves me
22:15 <@rhia> Bahhumbug: according the .... information i have from others (thank the gawds not personally0 he has a rather substantial dick, which leads one to ask just how %*^ he has to be to compensate in other areas
22:15 < RangerZ> As someone new to the area, i only have 2 issues with skydogcon 1: same weekend as PN, 2: same weekend as PN
22:15 <@Dagmar> ...and there's other days when I am generally of the opinion before lunch that I should have stayed home because I am stepping on so many feet it's like the floors are made of ankle
22:16 <@rhia> Dagmar: heheh
22:16 <@Dagmar> rhia: See that's where I'm a bit different
22:16 <@rhia> that feeling, i know well <G>
22:16 <@Dagmar> I have a big dick, but I don't rely on it
22:16 < RangerZ> if he 'really' wanted to be a smartass about this, he should have set it up right before/after PN, and then invited all PN's staff and gloated over them how much better his con was... but thats just what I would have done, lol
22:16 <@Dagmar> If MTSU gave out degrees in cunnilingus, I'd not be having this silly issue with HR departments that I sometimes do
22:16 <@Dagmar> (particularly if the HR girl is single0
22:17 <@Bahhumbug> he did it with the express intention of splitting the community.
22:17 <@rhia> Dagmar: like the airpup, i don't know personally, and i don't care <G> ... but you're not overcompensating
22:17 <@rhia> Bahhumbug: BINGO!  We Have A Winner!
22:17 <@Bahhumbug> and people that do that type of thing should be throw screaming from the roof of a tall building.
22:17 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: I have an easier time beliveing that of the current gov't than I do of him
22:17 < RangerZ> Bahhumbug: thats my point
22:18 < RangerZ> he wanted to _hurt_ PN more than help his con
22:18 <@rhia> RangerZ: exactly
22:18 <@Dagmar> Well, that I can sort of get behind but it feels pretty reactive
22:18 <@Bahhumbug> but all things told...  this is just an opinion.  I've no investment in any of this; I really just hang her because it's nice to talk with people that have more than 2 active brain cells in their head.
22:18 <@rhia> RangerZ: and that's why i've come out from the woodwork and asking questions as to "WHY?"
22:18 <@Evilpig> like I said from the get go.  if he wanted to make a good event he should have been working with us and not pulled this i'm better than you crap
22:18 <@Dagmar> Either he's _really_ put a lot of thought and planning into subterfuge, or there's a third party working behind the scenes
22:19 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: last year when he announced skydogcon we said right then and there it was going to be another outerzone
22:19 <@rhia> Evilpig: remember, he first tried to take on Rockit and be "the hero" but Rockit was a corporate dud, so, what else can he take on? PhreakNic.
22:19 < RangerZ> Dagmar: never underestimate the willingness of someone to do stupid shit to "get back" at someone example 1 -> Evilpig ;)
22:20 <@Dagmar> haha
22:20 <@rhia> Dagmar: PM?
22:20 <@Dagmar> rhia: I don't see why not
22:20 <@Evilpig> I fully take credit for me being an ass and going to extremes
22:20 <@Dagmar> Yeah but your version of being an ass is sort of a known-quantity
22:20 <@Evilpig> NotLarry keeps getting onto me for it.  I keep telling him that is why i'm not in charge
22:20 < RangerZ> i know, which is why you were the example
22:20 < RangerZ> lol
22:20 <@Dagmar> You make me look like such a cuddly wuddly bear.  I love it
22:20 <@Bahhumbug> hahahahahaha
22:20 <@Evilpig> for those of you that like walls of text. http://wilpig.org/temp/startofdrama.pdf
22:21 <@Evilpig> the nc2600 guys really cracked me up with their foresight too
22:22 <@Evilpig> back to this badge.  pressing play again.
22:27 <@Evilpig> there is the quote.  25:04 "Once i've decided what we're doing.  That's what we're doing."
22:27 <@Evilpig> 25:02 actually
22:31 <@Evilpig> stopping.  28:11.  need asprin
22:34 < RangerZ> Bahhumbug & Dagmar I think if we just get Evilpig 2 smoking hot girls to strip(or more) but on the condition that he only gets them if he drops this , then he might agree, lol
22:35  * RangerZ wonders what kickstarter's rules on funding actions like that are....
22:35 <@Bahhumbug> heh
22:35 <@Evilpig> haha
22:36 <@Dagmar> How much does it cost to have strippers delivered nowadays?
22:36 <@Evilpig> I dunno.  but rafiq comes in at midnight.
22:36 <@Dagmar> If he knows then that boy was seriously hiding a life I didn't know about
22:36 <@Dagmar> heh
22:37 <@Evilpig> I doubt he knows.  just saying he might appreciate it
22:37 <@Dagmar> Ah
22:37 <@Evilpig> we're already setup in here for a four camera shoot.  LOL
22:37 <@Dagmar> heh
22:38 <@Evilpig> are you actually on communicator at home right now?  or just away from something signed in here?
22:38 <@Dagmar> Thats' rpobably my laptop at the office
22:38 <@Dagmar> The Xoom is off at the moment (a rare event I know) so it can't be that thing
22:39 <@Dagmar> It *should* be saying I'm Away or at least Idle
22:39 <@Evilpig> no biggie.  trying to figure out what this needs in the background.  needs an outline or something really light to breakup the white.
22:39 <@Dagmar> I had to power off the XOom earlier to stop some damn app from perpetually waiting for a website to respond
22:39 <@Dagmar> Forgot to turn it back on
22:40 <@Evilpig> where is that old picture of dolemite with the pimp hat?
22:41 <@Dagmar> Bizarre.  The Xoom seems to have decided to run Communicator Free on boot
22:42 <@Dagmar> Ah, I must have set that or it's a new default
22:42 <@NotLarry> Dagmar: I talked to deja and they say thay do not do onsight parties.
22:42 <@NotLarry> I also talked to a girl selling the contributor and she said no problem
22:43 <@Dagmar> NotLarry: They're pretty insular over there so it's no great suprise
22:43 <@Dagmar> DON'T call the 701 club
22:43 <@NotLarry> I've never boon, just called
22:43 <@NotLarry> er, been
22:43 <@Evilpig> i've never boon either, at least I don't think I boon.  what's boon?
22:46 <@NotLarry> if you knew what boon was that watress might have bbeen thinking about cutting her shift short to do tequila shots with you...
22:47 <@Dagmar> A boon is a reward or net profit
22:48 <@Dagmar> s/profit/gain/
22:48 <@Dagmar> i r not wiktionary so sues me
22:48 <@Evilpig> damn trolls
22:50 <@NotLarry> I live to troll
22:51 <@rhia> NotLarry: BS
22:51 <@rhia> ware lives to troll, YOU live to incite ;)
22:52 <@NotLarry> http://i.imgur.com/R2gNx.jpg
22:52 < RangerZ> http://vimeo.com/31100268
22:53 < RangerZ> really good 3min video to explain PROTECT-IP
22:53 < RangerZ> especially for non-techy people
22:53 <@NotLarry> my kids call this "notlarry can take that topic to creepy in 3 posts"
22:54 <@Dagmar> They underestimate you
22:54 < RangerZ> do they call you NotLarry?
22:54 <@NotLarry> I lost my quake cd in the flood
22:54 <@NotLarry> yeah,, they do
22:54 <@Dagmar> I could probably do most things in two, and I know you're better at it than I am
22:54 <@Evilpig> takes two posts to get someone pulled in, in most cases
22:54 < RangerZ> hell I had a friend once that could take it to creepy with 0
22:55 <@NotLarry> yeah, but we ate her
22:55 <@Dagmar> He could just say something twisted and the forum would hear it anyway?
22:55 <@Dagmar> That's a skill right there
22:55 <@rhia> NotLarry: 3 posts?  are you still coddling those rugrats?
22:55 < RangerZ> he walked up to a girl at a bar once and she turned to him after he said "hey, how about some.." and he was cut off with "No... No, No... Never, Ever... No...."
22:56 < RangerZ> and she just turned around and started talking to her g/f's again
22:56 < RangerZ> i about died laughing
22:56 <@Dagmar> Hah
22:56 <@NotLarry> well, I was new to reddit
22:56 <@Dagmar> Although that I could also chalk up to someone being a bitch in a bar
22:56 <@Dagmar> ...cuz that NEVER happens
22:57 < RangerZ> no, she knew him from HS
22:57 <@Dagmar> Ahhh hahah
22:57 <@NotLarry> lol
22:57 < RangerZ> and he was trying to hit on her when she was our waitress
22:57 <@Dagmar> He and a certain other someone I know should get together sometime and compare notes.
22:57 <@Dagmar> ...and then burn the notes.
22:57 < RangerZ> no...
22:57 < RangerZ> they should publish it
22:57 <@Dagmar> Abaolutely not
22:58 < RangerZ> to help humanity to ...never... go there again
22:58 < RangerZ> sorta like hitler
22:58 <@Dagmar> This other guy has the uncanny knack of pissing women off within MINUTES
22:58 <@Dagmar> EVen easy-going girls like Tom's Anna
22:58 <@rhia> NotLarry: bitch in a bar? Can i get in that race?
22:58 <@Dagmar> There's a large fraction of humanity on the internet that would take such a handbook a _challenge_
22:59 <@Dagmar> ...and then I'd have no way to kill anywhere near all of them before the race was ruined.
22:59 <@Bahhumbug> hahahaha
22:59 <@NotLarry> wait, wha?
22:59 <@rhia> NotLarry: once had a skeezy dude try to take a pool table me & my galfriend held (.50, all comers) for hours - he walked up with a bottle of booze and 3 glasses:
23:00 <@NotLarry> rhia: Simply walking up and offering to show them my pool stick tends to clear the table
23:00 <@rhia> my response: "Mama told me to never take anything from strangers, and you're about the strangest person I've met" - loudly, and during a break in the band
23:01 <@Dagmar> no one wants that easy of a match?
23:01 <@NotLarry> the band always suck as I'm screaming "GOD THIS BAND SUCKS!"
23:01 <@Dagmar> NotLarry; Then stop doing it in front of the mic, dumbass
23:02 <@rhia> Dagmar: hehe, ... wish i had known you then, i lived off what i made shooting pool ..... eons ago when i still had decent eyesight
23:02 <@NotLarry> i know, right
23:02 <@rhia> heheh
23:02 <@Dagmar> I don't even try pool anymore
23:02 <@Dagmar> I had a hard time getting across to Lindsey that the damn pooltable really does change shape for me
23:03 <@rhia> Dagmar: in that case, if you ever make it to Seattle, look us up, we'll shoot a few games
23:03 <@Dagmar> My astigmatism is awful
23:03 <@Evilpig> don't do it!  it's a tarp!
23:03 <@Dagmar> I did really great when I was like 9, especially after seeing (of all things) a cartoon about Snooker starring Donald Duck
23:03 <@rhia> dude, i'm almost legally blind
23:03 <@rhia> Dagmar: heheh
23:03 <@Evilpig> she's just luring you in
23:04 <@Evilpig> building your confidence
23:04 <@Dagmar> ...and now i know my eyesight might be focused, but I can't tell comparative lengths for shit
23:04 <@rhia> Evilpig: same offer
23:04 <@rhia> never had had depth perception, i see things in a version of 2D and popup books, no depth
23:05 <@Dagmar> The only way I can not suck on anything but a straight shot and a few other really easy mechanisms is if someone lets me use a laser protractor
23:05 <@rhia> learned to catch as a survival instinct
23:05 <@rhia> Evilpig: hush
23:05 <@rhia> Dagmar: so, when's the next time you'll be in Seattle? ;)
23:05 <@Dagmar> ...and I suspect whipping one of those out in a pool hall is just behind running through the ghetto screaming racial epithets in "ways to get a beating on principle"
23:06 <@Dagmar> rhia: Depends on market forces
23:06 <@rhia> all depressed currently - nice dodge ;)
23:06 <@Dagmar> I hear Seattle is for freaks who like rain to the degree that San Francisco is the city for freaks who dislike weather with strong opinions about anything
23:06 <@Dagmar> ...and that Phoenix is for freaks who like heat.
23:07 <@Dagmar> I've seen San Francisco.
23:07 <@rhia> if you're from the SE, it doesn't rain here
23:07 <@Dagmar> hah I can kinda understand that one
23:07 <@rhia> if just .... has directional mist 75% of the year
23:08 <@Dagmar> I never saw any need for an umbrella in San Francisco, even in what the locals would call "catch your death weather"
23:08 <@Dagmar> Here, on the other hand, I've been through so many "your underwear is wet in eight seconds" storms I don't even think about it if I can still keep my eyes open in it
23:08 <@rhia> speaking of, if anyone in channel EVER comes to Seattle or BC, bring a hoodie and leave the umbrellas
23:09 <@rhia> and umbrella here is instant "tourist, lets ask money!"
23:10 <@rhia> we've been here a year, have seen 2 hours of "rain" - and 275 days of " wet"
23:10 <@Dagmar> Hmm... in SF you just don't let your pockets jingle from anything
23:11 <@rhia> Nashvegas gets more rain than Seattle (look it up) -
23:11 <@NotLarry> so, my "co-worker" saw my spare shoes last night, and I had to explain to him, a couple of times, that riding a bike to work involves changing clothes when you get there, yes, including shoes.
23:11 <@Dagmar> After last May I am not suprised by that
23:11 <@rhia> here, its just ... wet ..
23:11 <@NotLarry> I'm sorry, your just what?
23:11 <@Dagmar> heh
23:11 <@rhia> NotLarry: not biting <G>
23:12 <@NotLarry> thats good, cause the skin grafts just started taking...
23:12 <@rhia> NotLarry:  i know, i know, but you so like the teeth ;)
23:12 <@Dagmar> Notlarry: I'm kinda on the lazy side about that since i'm good down to more like 45f with jeans on
23:12 <@NotLarry> yeah, but, as I was trying to explain to titus, at 80mph, a little drizzle is like being in the washer
23:13 <@NotLarry> "your shoes get wet?" Dude, sometimes my dog at home gets wet...
23:13 <@rhia> ok, time to fade away again -
23:13 <@NotLarry> good bye
23:14 <@Evilpig> later
23:14  * rhia hugs those who know they get hugs (and slaps off the feelers of those some) 
23:14 <@rhia> g'nite
23:15 <@rhia> see you in .... months
23:16 <@Evilpig> we'll lure you out with something
23:20 <@Dagmar> Heh.  Good thing I'm still stupidly brave with electronics or that new mp3 player I bought would be screwed now
23:20 <@Dagmar>  I just realized I actually did manage to resecure and solder a button element about as big as a supiciously large bit of rice
23:21 <@Dagmar> The epoxy I used is apparently (from some Googling) of the "takes 8 hours to completely cure" kind
23:21 <@Dagmar> Hopefully sitting around a couple years didn't weaken it or something
23:22 <@Dagmar> I have *really* got to buy a decent magnifying glass soon
23:38 < RangerZ> Dagmar: i thought we stopped talking about measuring your privates
23:42 <@Evilpig> NotLarry: you still paying attn?
23:42 <@NotLarry> sure
23:42 <@NotLarry> took drugs, but'
23:42 <@Evilpig> I need your opinion in a sec
23:42 <@NotLarry> let me get on communicator
23:43 <@NotLarry> gonna try to get the iso's downloaded for the qclients
23:44 <@NotLarry> gonna need to crash in town this weekend if that is ok, want to go by hotel and check some things
23:44 <@Evilpig> yeah you're fine to crash there.  they key and card are where you left them
23:45 < RangerZ> http://www.ted.com/talks/hillel_cooperman_legos_for_grownups.html
23:45 < RangerZ> lol
23:45 <@NotLarry> i'm getting about 2 minutes out of minecraft betwene crashes
23:45 <@Evilpig> I like this concept but the particular image i'm using I don't like
23:52 < RangerZ> http://www.ted.com/talks/jane_mcgonigal_gaming_can_make_a_better_world.html
23:52 < RangerZ> wtf
23:52 < RangerZ> almost 6billion years of WoW has been played
23:52 <@Evilpig> I don't doubt that
23:53 <@Evilpig> acrobat is acting retarded now
23:54 <@Bahhumbug> RangerZ: I can relate to the lego vid.
23:54 < RangerZ> i debated about making my PhD about lego building
23:54 < RangerZ> and i'm _not_ kidding
23:54 <@Bahhumbug> heh
23:56 < RangerZ> lego mindstorms
23:56 < RangerZ> can build/program lego robots
23:56 <@Bahhumbug> been there, done that.
23:56 < RangerZ> one of my profs at YSU wrote an OS that you can program in C++ on it
23:57 <@Bahhumbug> the Lego Education wing has additional sensor components that interface with the rcx.
23:57 < RangerZ> yeah
23:57 < RangerZ> camp fitch computer camp also had some, taught logo programming on them
23:58  * Bahhumbug nods
23:58 < RangerZ> but those were the old NXT ones
23:58 <@Bahhumbug> the original, yea.
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