--- Log opened Fri Oct 21 00:00:36 2011
00:02 < daswork> I'm trying to explain dwarf fortress.
00:02 < daswork> I realize how badly messed up it sounds.
00:07 <@Dagmar> It's a Dwarven Stronghold Simulator
00:08 <@Dagmar> >I've taken over 3/4 of the surface of a map now, and basically, it's a screensaver
00:08 <@Dagmar> Constant supply of soap, plants, HUNDREDS of various birds, elephants running all over
00:09 <@Dagmar> I just queue up giant projeects for them to work on and let it run while I sleep
00:09 <@Dagmar> If by chance something SHOULD manage to wipe it out, I've gotta come back in Recover Fortress mode just to see what kind of a madhouse it will have turned into
00:10 <@Dagmar> That's a new mode you just shouldn't try
00:10 <@Dagmar> If you lose a fortress, it's still there on the map.  You can send another expedition after it
00:10 <@Dagmar> However, ALL YOUR SHIT is scattered willy-nilly everywhere
00:11 <@Dagmar> The moment you place a stockpile, your dwarves cease to be useful.
00:11 <@Dagmar> They all go into "picking shit up and putting it away mode" 24/7
00:14 <@Dagmar> This time I've learned a few useful things, like run a waterfall right down the middle of the place so the dwarves have to go through it repeatedly
00:14 <@Dagmar> I may have to invite the goblins in to do something about the rabbits tho
00:15 <@Dagmar> There's easily 1,000 critters on the map and it's making the thing slow.  heh
00:17 < RangerZ> yays
00:17 < RangerZ> apparently someone was able to port CM7 to the motorola triumph
00:18 < RangerZ> not release-ready, but still a good step
00:37 <@NotLarry> Seriously Dagmar, I have my doubts about this linux thing.  All I'm doing is running minecraft, wow, copying 15g of data from an external drive and watching a movie.  And youtube seems a little choppy.
00:38 <@NotLarry> and IE, wtf is IE?  How am I gonna user this interneter thingy without IE?
00:40 <@Evilpig> just did a zg where I booted a dps for doing 5k.  the tank got pissed cause it was a guildmate.  so I booted him too
00:40 < RangerZ> NotLarry: the troll-force is stong in you
00:41 <@NotLarry> I just took an ipad with reddit in kiosk mode next door to the help desk and asked some students if they could help me with this new game my kid installed...
00:41 <@Evilpig> lies!  they helpdesk left at midnight
00:42 <@NotLarry> oh fuck off.  by just I mean sometime in the last 5 hours.
00:42 <@Evilpig> hehe
00:42 <@NotLarry> Next time it's 4chan
00:42 <@Evilpig> breakfast in the morning?
00:43 <@NotLarry> Actually, I want to go over with my laptop on 4chan and scream "HELP ME!  GET IT OFF MY COMPUTER!"
00:43 <@NotLarry> far as I can tell
00:43 <@NotLarry> It is friday though, I'm starting to feel a little sick...
00:43 <@NotLarry> nudgenudgewinkwink
00:44 < RangerZ> Evilpig: get the holographic body paint for the hookers you are going to hire to blueball the !-P-nic-Con
00:44 <@Evilpig> yup
00:44 <@Evilpig> bad news on the booker though.  I could only get notlarry
00:44 <@Evilpig> booker/hooker
00:45 <@NotLarry> Well, I got highschool girls.  So, well, this won't go well...
00:45 < RangerZ> i might bring some vandy CS people
00:45 < RangerZ> (few cute girls possible)
00:45 < CNwaV> Sobthere wont be any crying strippers? :(
00:45 <@Evilpig> lies!  girls and computers don't mix
00:45 <@NotLarry> Do you plan to let them out during the con or just keep them taped up in your room?
00:46 <@Evilpig> if the later i'm gonna require a key to check on their well being during the con
00:46 < RangerZ> few years ago, i went to notacon with my g/f at the time
00:46 < RangerZ> she was a masseuse, she brought her table, and gave massages in the room
00:46 < RangerZ> she made more money than we spent on the entire con
00:46 < RangerZ> lol
00:46 < CNwaV> Bring her!
00:47 < RangerZ> g/f ____AT_THE_TIME____
00:47 < CNwaV> LOUD NOISES!!!!
00:48 < CNwaV> Thats what I get for skimming messages..
00:48 < RangerZ> lol
00:48 <@NotLarry> I don't plan on mixing them with computer.  I plan on having them with some fava beans and a nice chiant
00:48 < CNwaV> You should call her up and offer to take her on vacation...
00:49 < RangerZ> she makes too much money now
00:49 < RangerZ> pro-dominatrix
00:49 < RangerZ> LOL
00:49 < CNwaV> Perfect for the con
00:49 <@NotLarry> I think we can get her a room for that
00:49 <@NotLarry> "Shut the fuck up and eat your god damn vegitables!"
00:50 < CNwaV> ..spoke to int0x80... He is definately not coming :(
00:50 <@Evilpig> CNwaV: I know.  he's going to skydick con
00:50 <@Evilpig> I invited him months before he said no
00:50 < RangerZ> i can wear my dualcore shirt if that helps...?
00:50 < RangerZ> he is?
00:50 <@NotLarry> thats skydogcon
00:50 <@Evilpig> he is in the crowd that thinks skydick hung the moon and keeps it there with his will
00:51 < CNwaV> Just wish that this amount of effort had been utilized in previous years..
00:52 <@Evilpig> he has something to prove now.  and that is the fact that he wasn't full of shit the previous two years
00:52 < RangerZ> as an outsider
00:52 < RangerZ> its still a dick move to have it the same weekend as the longstanding con
00:53 <@Evilpig> it totally is
00:53 < RangerZ> not saying _I_ wouldn't do that myself if i was pissed at a con...
00:53 < RangerZ> but i'd atleast admit i was being a dick
00:53 < RangerZ> lol
00:54 < CNwaV> Nashville has become the new middle east...
00:58 < RangerZ> screw that
00:58 < RangerZ> the virus i put in the CnC that controls the predator drones will solve this
01:00 < RangerZ> or Evilpig you can give your ex a bookbag to carry into skydogcon
01:01 < CNwaV> Or we could just all kiss and makeup :D
01:05 < CNwaV> What is the best place to eat in nashville?
01:07 < RangerZ> pfchangs wasn't bad (only 'nice' place i've eaten)
01:07 <@Bahhumbug> If by "kiss and makeup" you actually mean "toss someone off the roof" then yeah, I agree that sounds like a great plan.  Only modification I would ask is to light him on fire first and record it.
01:08 < CNwaV> Not with the price of gas these days...
01:14 < RangerZ> if we melt some packing peanuts into the gas... becomes more like napalm
01:16 <@Bahhumbug> I prefer kerosene.
01:18 <@Evilpig> NotLarry: vent
01:21 < CNwaV> Finally finished porting internet explorer to linux... Will be nice to have a secure browser that is worth a damn!
01:21 < CNwaV> Hows that for some trololol
01:26 <@Bahhumbug> that's some _really_ good drugs.
01:29 < RangerZ> you know....
01:29 < RangerZ> i was just thinking earlier about how a kid wrote his own browser, and sold it to MS
01:29 < RangerZ> i wonder if that is the advances in 8/9
01:30 < RangerZ> although... windows 8 could be a big jump for MS
01:30 < RangerZ> including all the basic tech ideas of android
01:30 < RangerZ> content providers, bundles, URIs
01:32 < CNwaV> I wonder how much money ms will get for me purchasing my prime...
01:32 < RangerZ> 15$ likely
01:32 < RangerZ> thats what some of the analysts were saying
01:34 < CNwaV> Makes me sad that ms still manages to get my money
01:35 < RangerZ> ohh don't worry
01:35 < RangerZ> they used your money to pay samsung to sell win phones
01:35 < RangerZ> LOL
01:36 < RangerZ> so the "google experience" on android 4.0 sounds promising
01:37 < RangerZ> allows you to turn off motoblur/etc
01:37 < CNwaV> I almost want to go with a moto since they havent kowtowed to ms
01:39 < RangerZ> i want google to full throttle attack
01:39 < RangerZ> and invalidate software patents as a whole
01:41 < CNwaV> Me too... These patent wars age getting insane... But if google attacks ms, they will be more open to attack from apple... I just want a major ceo to stand up and say that this is all retarded...
01:41 <@Bahhumbug> Good luck with that.
01:42 <@Bahhumbug> Until the USPO is gutted to the ground and the whole thing reorganized I don't see things changing.
01:43 < RangerZ> i dunno, i think we are getting towards a watershed moment
01:43 <@Bahhumbug> err, USPTO.
01:43 <@Bahhumbug> Perhaps.
01:43 <@Bahhumbug> I'm not betting the farm on it, however.
01:43 < RangerZ> "tipping point" is called that for a reason
01:44 < RangerZ> after reading malcolm gladwell's book by the same title, leads me to realize that we never know what that event/time will be
01:44 < CNwaV> Why cant they be decent humans...
01:44 < CNwaV> Why cant we have a rapid prior art decision process...
01:46 < RangerZ> actually the biggest issue is that you can't challenge a patent before it is approved
01:46 < RangerZ> because if you do, every arguement you make can never be used again to invalidate that patent, if you don't win
01:49 < RangerZ> atleast that was how it was
01:49 < RangerZ> but now we have a new complete system
01:49 < RangerZ> "first to production" instead of "first to file"
01:50 < RangerZ> which both have issues, but first to market, or w/e they call it, favors big companies with more D than R
01:50 < RangerZ> but anyways, night
01:50 <@Evilpig> night
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01:52 < CNwaV> Watching the prophecy :D
02:02 < CNwaV> Boo... Hiss... The rangers tied up the series
02:07 <@Evilpig> bastards.  my aunt was there tonight
02:07 <@Evilpig> I root for the preds, the cards, and wildcat basketball.  everything else can fuck off.
02:08 <@Evilpig> mom is wanting the cards to hurry and win or lose so my step-dad will shave
02:11 < CNwaV> The cards will win... They have to.
02:11 < CNwaV> So it was written
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06:24 < ware> Evilpig: apparently i have that person blocked
06:24 < ware> was it catonic?
06:26 <@Evilpig> lol
06:26 <@Evilpig> I'm not saying but it made me laugh
06:27 <@Evilpig> "Can Ware please be the one at the end or the middle? Not a speaking role?"
06:28 < ware> yeah hes a loser
06:28 < ware> he has me blocked for some reason and still talks shit about me :D
06:29 <@Evilpig> you see my tweet this morning, ware?
06:31 < ware> i dont tweeter
06:32 <@Evilpig> http://www.facebook.com/wilpig/posts/2128555743836
06:32 <@Evilpig> I posts to the facebook at the same time.  
06:36 < ware> lol so mean
06:36 <@Evilpig> seems appropriate
06:38 <@Catonic> Where are we coordinating the roomshare at?
06:38 <@Evilpig> here and root list
06:38 < ware> Catonic: youre a loser and a fag
06:38 < ware> GOOD DAY SIR!
06:39 <@Catonic> You're a troll.
06:40 <@Evilpig> ^ has a point
06:40 <@Catonic> I'd say you were a wet blanket, but I don't think you're cut from cloth that fine. More like a wet towel. Soaked in the fetid sweat of a thousand unwashed Persians.
06:40 <@Bahhumbug> Impressive.
06:40 <@Bahhumbug> I rate that a 8.5 out of 10.
06:40  * Evilpig claps
06:41 <@Catonic> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NO8lnC7u3w
06:41 <@Bahhumbug> Evilpig: why you hate me?  "This content is currently unavailable" when trying to view the above link :(
06:41 <@Catonic> Awe... come here Ware...
06:42  * Catonic hugs ware
06:42  * Catonic hugs ware tighter
06:42  * Catonic hugs ware tighter until ware starts struggling
06:42 <@Catonic> Now now, don't fight it....
06:42 <@Catonic> Sh.... it'll all be over soon.
06:44 <@Catonic> Anyone watch the roast of Charlie Sheen?
06:44 <@Evilpig> Bahhumbug: RT @SkyDogCon: #skydogcon Laser gets an onboard camera for observers. http://t.co/jEZLTGyz FTFY
06:46 <@Bahhumbug> heh
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06:47 <@Catonic> Nice. Just wrapped my headphones around the .45.
06:50 <@the_hugme> I am convinced there are no decent web browser made any more....
06:50 <@Bahhumbug> lynx
06:51 <@the_hugme> lynx is nice, I use it quite often... but it's difficult to view pictures in ascii
06:51 <@Bahhumbug> This is very true.  ascii pr0n doesn't translate well.
06:52 <@the_hugme> ( . )( . )
06:53 <@Catonic> Every time I fire up lynx or links, I feel like a ninja. Yeah, F your graphical display. I'm surfing the internet on a VT100.
06:53 <@Bahhumbug> meh, 220 :)
06:55 < CNwaV> Internet explorer?
06:55 <@Catonic> Only if it runs on a Sparc.
06:55 < ware> good lulz
06:55 < ware> that was a funny comic tho
06:56 <@Catonic> That whole line of reasoning just makes me think... Sir Mixalot...
06:56 <@Catonic> 32-18-35... only if she's 5'3"...
06:57 < CNwaV> Good news... It is official, source code will be released for android 4.0
07:11 <@the_hugme> heh... well, considering my phone won't run android version 2....
07:13 <@Bahhumbug> Catonic: at one point back in '96 or so IE actually _did_ run natively on Sparc boxen w/ 2.5 / 2.5.1.
07:13 <@Bahhumbug> At least... it was _supposed_ to.  Got a double kernel panic the couple times I tried installed it on an IPX.
07:31 <@Catonic> You needed at least an SS20 or a U5 or U10.
07:56 <@Bahhumbug> Yeah, I seem to recall that requirement, but a co-worker said he had it running on his IPX, but I do believe he may have had more ram in it than I did in mine.  Mine was really just a doorstop, but I was stoned and bored one night and had nothing better to do so I gave it a shot.
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08:27 <@Catonic> I call bullshit.
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08:35 <@the_hugme> I call 'why' .... I mean... there are some things you do just because you can, but an abomination like running IE on solaris.... no... I don't see it
08:37 <@the_hugme> although, you might be talking about those pc cards for sun boxes... it was basically an intel box you would run in a card slot on a sun box
08:37 <@the_hugme> like a virtual machine only it was a full device... you could control it with solaris....
08:38 <@the_hugme> THAT will run IE, but you still aren't running it on solaris, you're running windows on a VM managed by solaris... MUCH different
08:43 <@Catonic> well.. I retract. You did say "run", you didn't say "actually displayed" or "actually browsed or rendered HTML" or even "did anything productive in a decade of CPU time"
08:44 <@the_hugme> so... you're saying run being "set the execution bit and type in the file name"
08:45 <@Catonic> He says he ran it on an IPX... that's a 40MHz processor... You've seen IE....
08:45 <@Catonic> That's like trying to render Quake in software OpenGL on a TI-85.
08:46 <@the_hugme> well... I ran IE on a 486 DX25... of course that was the windows 3.1 days....
08:47 <@the_hugme> it was a much different IE at that time
08:48 <@Catonic> I think Netscape 4.0 was out by that time.
08:48 <@the_hugme> I ran that most of the time... but I did try IE... it was a separate add-on
09:43 <@Evilpig> am I the only one that found it funny that mxzbot segfaulted and took out maxiez at the same time?
09:50 < ware> gg
09:51 < m0j0-j0j0> oh, I used to have to deal with IE on solaris
09:51 < m0j0-j0j0> the company I worked for at the time came out with a client app that required IE
09:53 < m0j0-j0j0> so the space/weather dept of the Canadian govt. bought the app and a million seats and cried because they all had IE on solaris so everything should work
09:53 < m0j0-j0j0> :/
09:53 < m0j0-j0j0> converted the activeX parts to java and it was still pretty bad
09:58 < m0j0-j0j0> actually.. the worst part about that entire deal is that the reason they bought the product in the first place was because the sales team kept selling the "open ended extensibility" so this dept. thought it sounded like a great idea to spend a lot of money on a workflow automation suite and use it for a satellite image processing package... because they're so similar.
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10:29 < ware> http://paste.org.ru/?snk8ax
10:41 <@Sheath> what the
10:42 < ware> Corydon76-home: Skiboy wants to talk to you
10:43 <@the_hugme> I feel old... some of those people on ware's list were born after I graduated high school
10:43 <@Sheath> kids these days do the darnest things!
10:43 < nachoguy_>  TSA is invading TN
10:43 <@the_hugme> I take that back... MOST, not some
10:44 <@Corydon76-home> ware: for?
10:44 < nachoguy_> http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/10/20/2212225/tsa-doing-random-truck-searches-on-tennessee-highway?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29
10:44 < ware> Corydon76-home: he needs guidance, and an irc friend
10:44 < ware> i have no more patience for him but you will
10:44 < ware> the_hugme: i have a list?!
10:45 <@the_hugme> the link you just posted
10:45 <@Corydon76-home> ware: I don't have time today.
10:46 < ware> oh gotcha
10:47 < ware> Corydon76-home: add it to your free time to-do list
10:47 < ware> ill buy you a bottle of wine if you get him away from HC
10:47 < ware> lol
10:47 <@Sheath> aha
10:47 <@Corydon76-home> Make it a 18-year bottle of scotch, and I'll see what I can do
10:48 < ware> whats a bottle of that cost, $50?
10:48 < nachoguy_> yeah, keep it legal
10:48 <@Sheath> nachoguy++;
10:48 < ware> imin
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11:03 <@Corydon76-home> ware: is he cute?
11:03 < ware> sure
11:03 < ware> you have 1.5years to work on him before its legal
11:04 <@Corydon76-home> And now we know he's an ugly old troll
11:04 < ware> just get him out of my irc
11:13 <@brimstone> k nerds, anyone know how to rename a /sys/ path?
11:14 <@Corydon76-home> brimstone: I think you have to modify the kernel module.  Kinsey would know for sure, though
11:14 <@brimstone> no udev hax?
11:14 <@Corydon76-home> I honestly don't know
11:15 <@brimstone> the path looks like it's built based upon where the usb device is located on the usb tree
11:15 < CNwaV> rm -rf /
11:15 <@brimstone> /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/2-2/2-2:1.0/red
11:15 <@brimstone> i want that to be more like /sys/led/red
11:15 <@Corydon76-home> Hah
11:15 <@brimstone> or usbled, or whatev
11:16 <@Corydon76-home> You could create a hierarchy yourself of symlinks... /mysys/usb/led or something like that
11:16 <@brimstone> the problem is finding the device, and then, allowing anyone to write to it
11:17 <@Corydon76-home> shell script in rc.local, to populate the hierarchy?
11:17 <@Corydon76-home> Use 'find' or something like that
11:17 <@brimstone> i wonder if i can get enough variables to do that with a udev rule
11:17 <@brimstone> since it's usb, the device will get unplugged and replugged at random
11:18 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, and depending upon order in which it's plugged in, it can vary
11:18 <@brimstone> yup
11:18 <@brimstone> i konw the vender:device id will not change
11:19 <@brimstone> herm, more udev hacking later
11:19 <@Corydon76-home> I don't suppose you can run a shell script from a udev rule
11:19 <@brimstone> i know you can
11:19 <@Corydon76-home> Like a post-plug script?
11:19 <@brimstone> there's a RUN= paramater
11:19 <@brimstone> yup
11:20 <@brimstone> keys they call them
11:20 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, do a 'find' on the basename, then iterate over the results and create symlinks
11:22 <@Corydon76-home> Oh, and the first step in that script would have to be to annihilate the existing symlinks, so when it runs on removal, it kills those links
11:22 <@brimstone> yup
11:23 < ware> whats this for exactly?
11:23 <@brimstone> got one of these: http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/usblamp-monitoring.htm
11:24 <@brimstone> $6.66 on woot one day
11:24 < ware> nice
11:24 < ware> THE MARK OF THE BEAST
11:25 <@Corydon76-home> brimstone: why not just do what they're doing inside their utility program on that site?
11:26 <@Corydon76-home> The usblamp utility program
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11:38 < ware> SSHHHH!  shes bac
11:41 <@Corydon76-home> Spam is down today.  Anybody know of either a hacktivist or LEO taking down a spammer?
11:43 < ware> deeznutz
11:43 < ware> .com
11:43 < ware> define:LEO
11:44 <@Corydon76-home> Law Enforcement Organization
11:44 < ware> ICE
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12:34 <@the_hugme> LEO..... huh.. they have an acronym now... those crazy kids....
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12:44 <@brimstone> Low Earth Orbit?
12:44 <@brimstone> ah
12:45 <@brimstone> Corydon76-home: what do you mean do what they do?
12:45 <@the_hugme> I like low earth orbit better...
12:46 <@the_hugme> both as the acronym and as a place for spammers
12:47 <@Corydon76-home> brimstone: in the source code for usblamp
12:48 <@Corydon76-home> brimstone: you're trying to get an easy interface to the lamps.  Why not just incorporate the usblamp code?
12:48 <@brimstone> for (dev = bus->devices; dev; dev = dev->next) ?
12:48 <@Corydon76-home> if (ID_VENDOR == dev->descriptor.idVendor && ID_PRODUCT == dev->descriptor.idProduct) {
12:48 <@brimstone> i can just echo a value to them
12:48 <@brimstone> it's already exposed
12:49 <@brimstone> i'm more of a bash script than a C guy
12:49 <@Corydon76-home> Or just call usblamp from your bash script...
12:50 <@the_hugme> I'm more bash as well
12:50 <@brimstone> but i don't need usblamp, there's support in the kernel
12:53 <@Corydon76-home> I generally write bash when it's a one-off.  If it's gotta happen on a regular basis, I use something else, like Perl or C.
12:53 <@brimstone> i've been using bash a lot in the last few years
12:53 <@brimstone> more so than perl
12:53 <@brimstone> used to be big into perl
12:53 <@brimstone> but, bash is right there already in my shell
12:53 <@brimstone> and it's pretty darn portable
12:54 <@brimstone> portable meaning, i don't have to make sure gcc is installed on that system
12:54 <@the_hugme> bash has had so many things added to it... especially in the last 3 years that it puts perl to shame
12:54 <@Corydon76-home> Well, like I said, it depends upon the job I'm doing... I prefer having a lot of tools, instead of using a hammer for everything.
12:54 <@brimstone> or build for that target host
12:54 <@the_hugme> especially considering the crap you have to install to get perl to even work
12:54 <@brimstone> i get most things done with my hammer though
12:54 <@the_hugme> conflicting libraries etc
12:54 <@Corydon76-home> "When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."
12:54  * brimstone eyes opticron
12:55 <@Corydon76-home> There are definitely far worse tools than bash.  But there's a place for each tool.
12:56  * m0j0-j0j0 likes to hammer everything.
12:56 <@the_hugme> eh... I wouldn't agree Coydon... there's a lot of things people have written which really have no place
12:57 <@the_hugme> people use them anyway though... which is just sad
12:57 < m0j0-j0j0> and stop bashing perl
12:58 <@brimstone> i'm excited to research perl6's new stuff
12:58 <@the_hugme> Perl is great for parcing a date... it's date libraries are better than any language I've used
12:59 <@brimstone> Date::Manip is intense
12:59 < m0j0-j0j0> perl is suprt great for parsing text
12:59 <@the_hugme> m0j0-j0j0: it's as good as bash is.... and it's not as good as awk
13:00 <@the_hugme> it's not even CLOSE to as good as awk
13:00 < m0j0-j0j0> I had to write something is ActionScript and I converted all of Date::Calc and Date::Manip to an actionScript lib so I would never have to think about dates again.
13:00 <@the_hugme> which... is a shell command :-)
13:00 <@brimstone> awk and perl are practially the same, in terms of text parsing
13:00 <@the_hugme> um... no
13:00 <@the_hugme> awk is about a thousand times faster
13:00 < ware> u trollin
13:00 <@the_hugme> on top of that it's quicker to write because it doesn't have as much fluff
13:01 <@brimstone> i haven't done speed tests, but i've not noticed one being slower than the other
13:01 <@the_hugme> ware: no, trolling would mean I don't have any evidence to back up what I say.
13:01 < m0j0-j0j0> awk/sed functionality are a subset of perl
13:02 <@the_hugme> brimstone: you'll really notice it when you do large files... at Cox I was parsing billions of lines
13:02 <@brimstone> yeah, my biggest project in awk has only been an irc bot
13:02 < ware> developers... jeez
13:02 <@the_hugme> m0j0-j0j0: um... so you're using perl to call awk... why not just use awk?
13:03  * ware fist pumps for infrastructure
13:03 < m0j0-j0j0> I use awk and sed, but not for anything serious.  They aren't languages... they're commands
13:03 < m0j0-j0j0> like grep
13:03 <@the_hugme> there is one thing that perl has as an advantage over awk, that is multiple files
13:03 <@brimstone> silly network guys
13:03 <@the_hugme> you have to get fancy with awk
13:03 <@the_hugme> m0j0-j0j0: then you haven't used them enough
13:03 < m0j0-j0j0> the_hugme: I'm not calling awk... everything awk can do is a subset of what perl can do
13:04 <@the_hugme> but awk is faster to run and faster to write
13:05 < m0j0-j0j0> the_hugme: no disrespect, but I've parsed more text than you will ever have to at Cox.
13:05 <@the_hugme> m0j0-j0j0: bwahahaha!!!!!
13:05 <@the_hugme> you just keep thinking that
13:05 < ware> lol-mojo.gif
13:07 < m0j0-j0j0> yeah.. the centralized tech hub for second largest newspaper company doesn't have to parse much text
13:09 < m0j0-j0j0> I still have to munge stories from a time before Cox existed
13:13 <@the_hugme> Um... Cox has been around for over 100 years
13:13 <@Corydon76-home> The issue with bash, as many before have pointed out, is that it doesn't exist everywhere you need it to, and it's frequently slower than the Bourne shell, which is nearly ubiquitous
13:13 <@the_hugme> and their newspaper is a small part of what they do... they are the third largest cable TV companies in the country
13:14 <@Corydon76-home> In any case, this is a bigger dick contest.
13:15 <@the_hugme> not at all... I haven't said anything about what I 'can' or 'can't' do... or the size of my dick
13:16 <@Corydon76-home> You're much better off declaring a wide knowledge of many tools and then selecting the one that you can get the job done the quickest at that particular moment
13:16 < m0j0-j0j0> McClatchy has been around for more than 150 years
13:16 <@the_hugme> You said that YOU had stories about munging data from before Cox was around... so please... let me hear them
13:17 <@the_hugme> really... I want to hear your 150 year old stories about munging data in perl
13:17 <@Corydon76-home> In any case, the usb lamp topic was far more interesting than who parses more data.
13:18 < m0j0-j0j0> I said that we still deal with content since before cox was around.. not that the stories are about munging data
13:18 <@Corydon76-home> brimstone: what are you going to be using the usb lamps for?
13:18 < ware> i manage more syslogs than either of you
13:19 < ware> which equals more data parsing
13:19 <@brimstone> i think i'm just going to use BASE=$(dirname $(find /sys -iname "red")) for now
13:19 < m0j0-j0j0> ware: indeed
13:19 < ware> which means i win
13:19 <@brimstone> Corydon76-home: i dunno
13:19 <@brimstone> right now it's just pulsing blue on and off for no reason
13:19 < m0j0-j0j0> brimstone: but that's cool
13:20 <@brimstone> yup, for i in $(seq 0 70)...
13:20 <@brimstone> i can't distiguish between 70 and 255
13:20 < ware> colors?
13:20 <@Corydon76-home> ware: probably lumen level
13:20 <@brimstone> it supports red, blue and green indepedantly
13:21 <@brimstone> right, brightness
13:21 <@Corydon76-home> IIRC, lumens are a logarthmic scale
13:21 <@brimstone> independently
13:21 <@brimstone> probably
13:22 <@brimstone> watching it fade in and our it could be logarithmic
13:22 < ware> oic
13:23 < m0j0-j0j0> and romantic
13:24 < m0j0-j0j0> are you actually going to use it to notify you when you have mail waiting?
13:24 <@brimstone> probably not
13:25 <@brimstone> thunderbird isn't allowed to beep and toaster a notification now
13:28 <@brimstone> i'm kinda debating plugging it into my router at home and using it to signal connectivity, vpn, etc
13:28 < m0j0-j0j0> if you have a webcam you could set it up to brighten as it gets darker so you're area would stay lit
13:29 <@brimstone> my office here stays the same brightness :/
13:29 <@brimstone> no windows
13:29 <@brimstone> on the desk or in the walls
13:29 < m0j0-j0j0> :(
13:30 < m0j0-j0j0> most of my developers like to sit in the dark so the only light I get is from my windows
13:30 < m0j0-j0j0> well.. and monitor
13:33 < m0j0-j0j0> when I was a young developer I really liked that "dark room" environment, but over the last 20 years or so I've just changed to strongly prefer well lit spaces with a heavy emphasis on natural light
13:37 < ware> pfft
13:37 < ware> developers
13:38 < ware> them and sales people are for the birds
13:38 < ware> and most of management
13:43 <@Corydon76-home> Don't forget customers
13:46 < ware> meh
13:46 < ware> i like users like i like my blacks
13:46 < ware> over there ->
13:46 < ware> (not really <3 blacks
13:47 < ware> )
14:37 < eryc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws6AAhTw7RA
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15:49 <@Dagmar> Welll, they've finally done it.
15:49 <@Dagmar> Blizzard is adding Pokemon to WoW
15:49 <@Dagmar> http://us.battle.net/wow/en/game/mists-of-pandaria/feature/pet-battle
15:50 <@Dagmar> That should be _hilarious_
15:50  * Dickie reactivates his account
15:50  * Dickie HAS TO CATCH 'EM ALL
15:58 <@opticron> wow...
15:59 <@Evilpig> even the description there sounds like pokemon
16:00 <@Evilpig> So gather your pets, train them well, and maybe one day you will make a name for yourself as Azeroth's most renowned pet trainer!
16:01 <@opticron> I want to beat someone to death
16:01 <@Evilpig> I knew they wouldn't drop pandarian completely.  but how the fuck do they plan to redo that for china?  padarian got scrapped the first time from political pressure
16:09 <@Dagmar> They'll probably tell China to suck it
16:19 <@Evilpig> http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2011/october/annualPass.jpg
16:25 <@Evilpig> that kind of annoys me.  while I like the idea of just paying once a year and getting a guaranteed beta slot. i was planning on getting d3 collectors edition. 
16:25 <@Evilpig> that would make it a waste of money
16:30 <@Evilpig> not that wow is that good of a use in the first place either
16:40 <@Evilpig> http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&tag=D3WoWFAQ&rhtml=true
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17:50 <@Corydon76-home> If anybody has Bank of America, you might want to get your money out as quickly as possible.  They're about to declare bankruptcy
17:51 <@Corydon76-home> They just moved $74T of derivatives losses into the banking arm
17:51 <@Catonic> woah.
17:58 <@Corydon76-home> Here's the kicker.  Bankruptcy law suggests that depositors are last in the chain.  Bankruptcy judge might could toss out the $74T transfer, but that's far from definite
17:58 <@Corydon76-home> So basically, what BoA wants to do is pay the derivatives first, then leave the American taxpayer (FDIC) holding the bag
18:00 <@Corydon76-home> I'm going to First Tennessee tomorrow morning and transferring both accounts out.  Every dollar less that they have in deposits on the day that they file for bankruptcy is a dollar that is not handed over from the federal government to the bank.
18:02 <@Catonic> I don't bank w 'em.
18:03 <@Catonic> I've screwed up a few times, and my current credit union has far less fees, and lower fees than any of the banks,
18:04 <@Corydon76-home> http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/bank-america-trying-stick-taxpayers-7
18:05 <@sasquatc4> dag posted this one yesterday, http://problembanklist.com/fdic-to-cover-losses-on-trillion-bank-of-america-derivative-bets-0419/
18:20 <@Catonic> I realized the other day the difference between memestreams and some of the other forms of networking... you see a lot more college-level stuff at memestreams than reddit.
18:21 <@Catonic> Facebook is really Myspace++, with limits to keep the users from indorkinating the pages... By comparison, Memestreams looks primative, but it did come first, and it has a few novel capabilities that reddit doesn't come close to.
18:21 <@Catonic> G+ might, if you manage your circles right.
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18:32 < RangerZ> well Dagmar and Evilpig will be happy
18:32 < RangerZ> new WoW expansion, lol
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19:22 <@Dagmar> Wasn't exactly news for us tho
19:31 <@Evilpig> I'm at odds about the news of the expansion.  but yeah we knew it was coming
19:32 <@Dagmar> Bibi called it back in August when the trademark application went in
19:32 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: this one frightens me.  Scholomance level 90 heroic.
19:32 <@Evilpig> I remember when that place was a 15 man
19:33 <@Evilpig> it was rough!
19:34 <@Dagmar> The Pandaria B-roll is pretty
19:37 <@Evilpig> the no auto-attack for monks seems odd.  I want to see how that is supposed to work
19:39 <@Evilpig> with thtis announcement they really should have had jack black as a guest MC
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19:40 <@Dagmar> Lawyers would get involved for that
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19:42 <@Evilpig> surely not.  blizzard is known in the gaming world for making many popular culture references in their games
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19:49 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: thank god I have a credit union acccount
19:58 <@Evilpig> I have an account at a bank but it's a hometown bank and operates more like a credit union
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20:02 < aestetix_> I have a BoA account and a credit union account
20:02 < aestetix_> And it turns out my credit union has more ATMs than BoA
20:04 < aestetix_> Also, protip on how to do this: open up a credit union account, then write a check from your old bank and deposit it in the credit union
20:08 <@Corydon76-home> Doesn't really work if you have a savings account, though
20:13 < aestetix_> True. Could you transfer money from your savings account to checking and then write a check?
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20:49 <@Evilpig> aestetix_: you can do it with a checking account.  just have your account number and routing number with you when you open the new account.  Let them do the transfer then all you have to do is call the old bank and close the account
20:50 <@Evilpig> the fun of writing a check to do that is hitting the old bank with that one last little tiny check processing fee.  i'd rather have the instant transfer than wait and maybe have them deny the check, etc
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21:18 < ware> ps plz
21:18 < ware> err ops
21:18 < ware> evilpig
21:18 < ware> time for deops
21:42 <@Evilpig> you want me to op you so you can deop someone?  why would I do that?
21:45 < aestetix_> Evilpig: you ask this, and you've known ware how long? :)
21:45 <@Evilpig> long enough to know not to do it
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21:45 <@Evilpig> my drunken ware sense is tingling
22:02 <@Evilpig> fuck..
22:02 <@Evilpig> queue pops.  I zone in.  start of za and I am swarmed and killed instantly.  tank and healer both quit.  
22:03 <@Evilpig> I can quit now and take a 30 minute debuff then another probably 30 minute queue or I can wait and fill the spots for this failed timer.
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22:47 < CNwaV> Cut you
22:49 < CNwaV> Do we know the name of the delicious pig whose flesh we will be partaking in at phreaknic? If not, I suggest you find a pig named steven... They are always yummy
22:51 < RangerZ> this is starting to sound like a bad snuff film
22:52 < CNwaV> I honestly dont think that we will be able to top the snuff film from last year... Maybe with some special effects...
22:57 < RangerZ> Evilpig _DID_ get holographic body paint
22:57 < RangerZ> so... you never know
22:58 < CNwaV> Seriously? Thought that was a joke... How does holographic body paint even work... Are we sure that is even real?
23:00 < RangerZ> i dunno
23:00 < RangerZ> he got the idea from the DOA2 poster i told him about
23:00 < RangerZ> said "tekken sucks" all over it
23:00 < RangerZ> lol
23:02 <@Evilpig> CNwaV: I have no idea the names of the two pigs.  pig a and pig b
23:02 < CNwaV> But it does...
23:03 < CNwaV> We have to name them before eating them.. Just wouldnt be right if we didnt
23:05 < RangerZ> skydog and evilpig-ex ?
23:05 < RangerZ> atleast it would make _him_ feel better
23:05 < RangerZ> lol
23:06 < CNwaV> How about kosher and halal?
23:06 < RangerZ> could be really bad and make them references to religions that don't eat pork...
23:07 < RangerZ> but that would just be in bad taste...funny, but still in bad taste
23:07 < RangerZ> lol
23:07 < CNwaV> Like hosher and halal...
23:07 < RangerZ> (I don't get the references)
23:07 < CNwaV> Im all about bad taste....
23:08 < RangerZ> the only thing i got out of CCD was that girls in plad skirts look nice
23:08 < CNwaV> Kosher means safe in hebrew... Its the regulation that dictates that animals must be killed in a certain manner, gorbids pork and seafood...
23:08 < CNwaV> Halal is the muslim equiv.
23:08 < RangerZ>  well i know what 'kosher' means
23:08 < RangerZ> ahh
23:09 < RangerZ> didn't get halal
23:09 < CNwaV> But anyways, we think alike... I like that
23:09 < CNwaV> Who is roasting them anyways?
23:15 <@Evilpig> Chef Lee Mcwright
23:16 < CNwaV> The meat company, or the staff?
23:25 < CNwaV> Oh, wait, that is an actual famous bbq chef
23:34 <@Evilpig> yar
23:34 <@Evilpig> he owns a local company called House of Hickory.  but he is a champion bbq cook.  and he's won for whole hog
23:41 < CNwaV> Mmm.. Excited
23:42 < CNwaV> Man, battlefield 3 comes out next week...
23:43 < RangerZ> i just want diablo3
23:43 < CNwaV> You get a free copy with the wow expansion, dont you?
23:44 < RangerZ> that would be the only way to sell copies of the expansion
23:44 < RangerZ> LOL
23:45 < RangerZ> though i bet it is only a beta key (haven't looked)
23:45 < CNwaV> I just briefly caught something about it...
23:47 < RangerZ> hmm... levling up starcraft 2 units....
23:47 < RangerZ> probably close to warcraft 3's heros
23:47 < RangerZ> "BlizzCon 2011: Diablo III Free To World Of Warcraft Annual Pass Subscribers"
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