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00:00 <@Dagmar> The lower the error value, the more complex your resulting formula has to be
00:00 <@Dagmar> For JPG there's generally a slider that controls how representative the JPEG output has to be from the original.
00:00 <@Dagmar> It's not just a matter of say, gzip -n with a larger or smaller number
00:01 <@Dagmar> It's easier to tell what's going on when you have a _really fucking slow machine_ and you're watching it iteratively complete the jpeg
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00:36 < RangerZ> so i probably wont be drinking at phreaknic
00:36 < RangerZ> going to be driving home every night, so no drinks :(
00:36 <@brimstone> lame
00:37 < RangerZ> can't see spending the money right now
00:37 < RangerZ> still paying off silly debts from moving down here, etc
00:38 <@Evilpig> I'll drink your share
00:38 < RangerZ> i might drink a few in the morning of sat, right before my talk....
00:38 < RangerZ> but that doesn't count
00:39 <@Evilpig> I may have spare crash space.  I'll let you know come closer to time
00:40 < RangerZ> ok, no biggie
00:41 < RangerZ> figured i'd save up some money and look into getting a new car
00:41 < RangerZ> ohh... speaking off...
00:41 < RangerZ> i almost blasted this guy off his scooter today
00:42 < RangerZ> decided to go past me when i was walking in the cross walk, almost just armbar'd him, though... geez that would be illegel, lol
00:42 <@Evilpig> was he wearing a black helmet with a dark visor?
00:42 <@Dagmar> He'd have *known* if it was me.
00:43 < RangerZ> was hard to tell over the stench, i kinda had to close my eyes
00:43 <@Dagmar> Pretty sure I'm the only guy in town with a scooter that blares techno
00:43 < RangerZ> no... i'm sure there is another one
00:43 <@Dagmar> I haven't seen one.
00:43 < RangerZ> only one, but it is a law of the universe, that you two shall never meet
00:44 <@Dagmar> I know one guy who lives up the hill from Bongo who has some speakers in his topcase
00:44 < RangerZ> else you will both be 'de-ja-vu' in the matrix
00:44 <@Dagmar> either i've never run into him or mine is just a bit louder than I think
00:48 <@Evilpig> my bank is 5% from level 80.  that's gonna make my 6th 80.  I should do something productive
01:04 < RangerZ> umm quit wow?
01:05 < RangerZ> atleast practice your D3 skills
01:05 < RangerZ> lol
01:05 <@Evilpig> with the way the d3 dev is going I am practicing them
01:10 <@Evilpig> make that 7th 80.  gees
01:11 < RangerZ> i got one mage to 75
01:11 < RangerZ> and then got bored with end game
01:12 < RangerZ> "yay lets run this stupid place twice a week for months"
01:15 <@Evilpig> heh.  that's about right.
01:15 <@Evilpig> but see I am not doing end game.  pretty much just leveling alts.
01:15 <@Evilpig> I would like to be.  but schedule not really allowing it
01:16 < RangerZ> i had a friend who would level accounts and sell them
01:16 < RangerZ> he made pretty good money doing it
01:17 < RangerZ> hundreds each time, and he got it down to where he leveled really fast, but i don't know if the market is still there or not
01:17 <@Evilpig> there is a market but not that good anymore
01:18 < RangerZ> everyone is waiting for d3
01:18 < RangerZ> and the ingame-RMT
01:18 < RangerZ> lol
01:18 < RangerZ> i hope that doesn't just completely break the game
01:18 <@Evilpig> it will be wild for a little bit then settle out
01:19 <@Evilpig> that kind of thing exists now for wow in the secondary market.  all they are doing is legitmizing it
01:19 <@Evilpig> will make it safer for the idiot end consumer
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01:20 < RangerZ> yeah
01:20 < RangerZ> i know
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01:20 < RangerZ> plus get them the $ that the RMTs are makign
01:20 < RangerZ> which is how they will fund d3, lol
01:20 < RangerZ> well battle.net part
01:20 <@Evilpig> did they say they are takign a cut of the actual money?
01:20 <@Evilpig> I assumed they would be just wasn't sure
01:21 < RangerZ> yeah they did
01:21 < RangerZ> every person gets some # of free posts
01:22 < RangerZ> but after that you have to pay to post, then they take a small %
01:22 < RangerZ> i'm guessing 1% (so as make people not care, but it would add up)(but who knows)
01:23 < RangerZ> b/c after 3% people will start to care, and make a 2% unofficial outside market
01:24 <@Evilpig> cost to post?  not take a cut of the profit?
01:25 < RangerZ> you get free posts
01:25 < RangerZ> unless you want to post a lot
01:25 < RangerZ> then you have to pay to post
01:25 < RangerZ> then they take a % after taht
01:25 < RangerZ> but i think the pay to post is more of a 'prevent spam' than anything else
01:26 < RangerZ> probably 0.10$ or something
01:27 < RangerZ>  but that was just what i read from the site
01:28 < RangerZ> and it could all change
01:28 < RangerZ> so know knows
01:28 < RangerZ> ...so who knows*
01:28 <@Evilpig> yeah we'll see.
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07:02 <@Evilpig> here ya go ware. http://i.imgur.com/4CPqG.jpg
08:10 < rnd> so what ARE the benefits of pre-registering?
08:10 < rnd> cash at the door sounds like a good idea really...
08:10 < rnd> for phreaknic rather, it's early
08:10 < eryc> pants on the ground
08:11 < rnd> sounds like possible upcoming rape..
08:42 <@Evilpig> $5 cheaper
08:42 <@Evilpig> pre-reg you get a custom badge
08:42 <@Evilpig> you can use a credit card if you pre-reg
08:43 <@Evilpig> the pre-reg site you can buy a shirt also, if you don't plan on volunteering to get one free
08:46 < rnd> all good things then
08:46 < rnd> thanks for the breakdown :)
08:46 <@Evilpig> np
08:55 < ware> 420d
08:55 < ware> lol nice
08:55 < ware> well 428d
08:55 < ware> crazay
08:56 < ware> ima have to get that mod
08:56 < eryc> pants on the ground
08:58 <@Evilpig> kinda depressing to see like that
08:58 <@Evilpig> you can see me sitting on a pile of gold there too.  lol
09:03 <@Dagmar> Fucking UBuntu
09:03 <@Dagmar> http://thisisthecountdown.com/ <-- where's the fucking isos
09:04 <@Dagmar> *sigh*.  They're kinda failing at promoting 11.10 this way
09:09 <@Dagmar> One of these days I'll manage to actually hit Send on an email through OWA
09:10 < ware> :D
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10:25 <@Sheath> wait wtf is ubuntu doing with that shit
10:40 <@Dagmar> Damned if I know
10:40 <@Dagmar> They'd probably have ISOs today but there's some showstoppers still hampering the installation process that appear to have not been fixed yet
10:41 <@Dagmar> doesn't really matter.  If you're soloing, either you brought a gorilla or something with AoE-appeal, or you click FD.
10:41 <@Evilpig> wrong channel again?
10:42 <@Dagmar> You can't tell?
10:43 <@Dagmar> Also, Spectrum is full of hate.
10:44 <@Evilpig> heh
10:44 <@Evilpig> I should be asleep.
10:44 <@Dagmar> I should be calling up CA and yelling.
10:45 <@Dagmar> 9.2.0.0.433 wouldn't accept the backup from 8.1.
10:45 <@Dagmar> If 9.2.0.322 doesn't, we have a Problem.
10:46 <@Dagmar> HVAC guy is done.  The unit is fine.
10:46 <@Dagmar> TIme to finish cleaning up and shaving and head in
10:49 < ware> OMG HVAC
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11:09 < ware> http://goo.gl/msXm3 what say you, internets!?
11:10 <@Sheath> buy me one
11:10 <@Sheath> oh jk, its 3d
11:10 <@Sheath> im not really into that fad
11:10 < ware> its 3d capable
11:10 < ware> im not a 3d fan
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11:50 < RangerZ> http://nashville.craigslist.org/sof/2621975941.html got a posting for software engineer job in franklin
11:52 < ware> Salary will be based on level of experience. Ranges from $45k-$90k.
11:52 < ware> shoulda been a codder
11:52 < ware> coder*
11:52 < ware> drink beer, work when you want, make bank
11:52 < RangerZ> 45k~90k, ehh
11:53 <@Corydon76-home> ware: you still can.  This is not something that you're locked out of
11:53 < ware> true
11:53 < ware> i make towards the lower end of that spectrum now
11:53 <@Corydon76-home> ware: didn't you attend my Perl class at one time?
11:53 < ware> wish i made more, but i think that will be the case until im making 150k/yr lol
11:53 < RangerZ> friend of mine got C average until his last 1.5years of school and got out with a 3.0 and started at 65k/yr
11:53 < ware> yuhp
11:54 < RangerZ> so only 45k/year is for someone with some coding experience, but no degree, etc
11:54 < ware> ive done pretty well for no college / certs
11:54 < ware> and i just turned 26 and the salary will come with more exp i think
11:54 < ware> (hope so anyway!)
11:55 <@Corydon76-home> ware: have you considered a program like ITT Tech?
11:55 < ware> neg, i wont goto school for a degree
11:55 < ware> not even an online program
11:55 <@Corydon76-home> It's not a traditional college, but you can get an education and a degree that should make a difference to HR types
11:55 < ware> id learn it on my own
11:55 < ware> phooey on companies with a HR dept
11:56 <@Corydon76-home> Well, but companies with an HR dept are also companies with benefits
11:56 <@Corydon76-home> Medical, dental, 401k, etc
11:56 < RangerZ> no offense, but ITT is almost worthless, you'll get the occasional person who will get something out of there, but mostly it is just a degree mill
11:56 <@Corydon76-home> ITT is accredited now
11:56 < RangerZ> ohh its ALWAYS been accredited
11:57 < RangerZ> just not with any REAL accrediation
11:57 < ware> i have full medical / vision / eye / employeer matching 401k
11:57 < ware> dental*
11:57 < ware> thye pay my cell phone bill
11:58 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ: well, not in the way that Vandy is accredited, but when it comes to tech arts, I'd trust ITT more than Vandy to turn out competent programmers
11:58 <@Corydon76-home> Now if you're talking about turning out a doctor, there's no contest
11:59 < RangerZ> no i was talking only IT stuff
11:59 < RangerZ> the thing is most coding/IT/networking you can learn on your own
11:59 <@Corydon76-home> Perhaps Vandy has improved over the past 15 years since I was there, but it looked to me like it was becoming a MS-shop
12:00 < RangerZ> but courses prove that you can put up with BS, and thats what a degree in CS is
12:00 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ: I'm not disputing that.  HR types, however, tend to be the barrier to entry, and that's what you need a degree for
12:00 < RangerZ> proof that you can handle years of BS, and have enough CS (common sense) to do what you need to do to pass
12:01 <@Corydon76-home> Eh, I've met plenty of excellent programmers with no degrees and plenty of cruddy programmers with a bachelors
12:01 < ware> A+
12:02 <@Dagmar> ware: looooool https://twitter.com/#!/notch/status/123712024847990786
12:02 < ware> RangerZ: that's what i've banked on and how i got to where i am today
12:02 < ware> lol gross
12:02 <@Corydon76-home> Passing isn't about common sense.  It's about learning to put down on paper what the professor wants to see
12:02 < RangerZ> A+ is the same way, you've shown to HR types that you know the min. to get interviewed by someone who does know what they are talking about
12:03 < RangerZ> which is CS ;)
12:03 < ware> i meant A+ to your comments :D
12:03 < ware> i have 1 sonicwall "cert"
12:03 < RangerZ> ahh
12:03 < ware> but that's it
12:03 < ware> and i managed firewalls and vpns
12:03 < ware> manage*
12:03 < ware> reporting, updating, configuring
12:04 < ware> all sorts of MS admin shit and deployments, patching, upgrades, etc
12:04 <@Corydon76-home> ware: you know HTML and CSS, too, correct?
12:04 < ware> i thought every admin knew that stuff
12:04 <@Dagmar> loooooool
12:04 < ware> i can read it and with enough time make a decent looking web page lol
12:04 <@Corydon76-home> Not quite
12:04 < ware> im working on icnd1+2
12:04 <@Corydon76-home> ware: how much SQL have you been exposed to?
12:04 < ware> really digging networking
12:05 < ware> im comfortable with the admin side of DB's in MSSQL specifically
12:05 < ware> but not creating databases and manipulating data
12:05 < RangerZ> then you should look into the cisco certs, they really aren't that hard (lots of time to learn the material properly)
12:05 <@Corydon76-home> That's a good next step, if you want to get into programming.
12:06 < ware> yeah im doing a bunch of reading to get through icnd1, most of it is theory and basics and not really configuring a switch
12:06 < ware> switch / router
12:06 <@Corydon76-home> Yep, or Cisco, if you want to stay with network admin
12:07 < ware> problem with that is most of what ive seen is contract work
12:07 < ware> with no bennys
12:07 < RangerZ> ware: http://www.amazon.com/PHP-MySQL-Web-Development-4th/dp/0672329166/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1318352825&sr=8-1 that is one of the best books out there for both PHP ans SQL
12:07 <@Corydon76-home> Also learn BSD/Juniper for high end networking
12:07 < RangerZ> it teaches you a lot of the interactions with SQL through PHP
12:08 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ: most of the PHP work I see nowadays is all maintenance of existing code.  Rails is where the new development is located.
12:08 < RangerZ> php itself isn't a 'bad' language, problem is there are too many people using/writing bad code out there without knowing what they are doing
12:08 < RangerZ> php is still a really good language to learn, b/c it shows the basics really well
12:09 < ware> i started on php and mysql way back
12:09 < RangerZ> and if he learning his first language, it shouldn't be what he plans on using
12:09 < ware> but thats when i stopped coding
12:09 <@Corydon76-home> Don't get me wrong.  Most new programmers should learn to maintain code before they start writing new frameworks...
12:09 < RangerZ> b/c you should learn how languages 'work', they are all build on the same concepts
12:09 < RangerZ> not just learn how to hack one language, and that be it
12:10 < RangerZ> if you aren't on linux, i'd start there
12:11 <@Corydon76-home> Perl is where I went from programming as a science to programming as an art
12:11 < RangerZ> perl can go rot and die
12:11 < RangerZ> lol
12:11 <@Corydon76-home> Hey, now, I have a great love of Perl
12:12 <@Corydon76-home> Not what I use primarily anymore, but it's a wonderful language
12:12 < RangerZ> doesn't mean it shouldn't die in a fiery death
12:12 <@Corydon76-home> Especially in the way that it allows you to delve into the underbelly of OO
12:13 < RangerZ> but I feel the same way with C++ , there are too many examples of "this works this way, except when it doesn't"
12:13 <@Corydon76-home> There are far worse languages that need to die a fiery death before Perl.  Let's start with COBOL.
12:14 <@Corydon76-home> And the language that I've blocked from my memory that generates COBOL..
12:15 <@Corydon76-home> Found it:  RPG
12:16 <@Dagmar> RPG III you mean
12:16 <@Dagmar> I was unimpressed with it when I was exposed to it as a kid
12:16 <@Corydon76-home> What the AS/400 programmers mostly worked with when I was at BAMM
12:16 <@Dagmar> Well, there's your problem then.
12:17 <@Dagmar> AS/400.
12:17 <@Corydon76-home> I think most of their time was involved with working around bugs in RPG
12:18 <@Corydon76-home> AS/400 is a very interesting machine, designed to have no downtime.  Ever.  The one time I remember them deciding to have downtime, it took them a week to get the machine back online
12:18 < ware> ROFL
12:19 <@Corydon76-home> I think that was mostly due to them negotiating all the various backups to get the machine back to its state when it went offline
12:19 <@Corydon76-home> ware: seriously.  You can have an AS/400 CPU core _fail_, and the machine keeps humming.
12:21 <@Corydon76-home> In fact, that's the case for almost any component:  cpu, memory, hard drives, power supplies.  Anything can fail, and you can just pop the component out, swap in a new one, and the machine never skips a beat
12:24 < ware> i think the only thing ive replaced on one was a PSU
12:24 < ware> and it stayed up through that
12:24 < ware> i dont recall any downtime on it ever, even through vendor updates
12:24 < ware> they managed it so i didnt have to admin anything
12:26 <@Sheath> you dont admin anything regardless
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12:40 < RangerZ> though the AS/400 are really only useful for banking... since they store numbers in base 10 not base 2, so they don't round wrong on money... (insert joke about office space here)
12:41 < ware> :D
12:41 < RangerZ> though some banks are getting past that limitation and using x86(x64?) based hardware and just rounding up every transaction to the nearest penny (customer's favor)
12:42 < ware> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzVi-hCac8c
12:57 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ: BAMM used the AS/400 to track sales across all 200 locations
12:57 <@Corydon76-home> and ERP
12:58 <@Corydon76-home> although when I was there, we pulled data off the AS/400 and did our own predictions on Linux to help with ERP
12:58 < RangerZ> ohh I never meant it "couldn't" be used by other purposes, just that was the ideal one
13:01 <@Corydon76-home> The funniest thing I ever dealt with there was the buyers who claimed there must be a bug when they changed the numbers in the spreadsheets we emailed to them, but that change didn't reflect in the AS/400
13:04 < RangerZ> ....
13:04 < RangerZ> well then wtf is wrong with you
13:04 < RangerZ> it it was an office spreadsheet, you should have setup a macro to run a script to update the as/400
13:05 < RangerZ> b/c thats is COMPLETELY exception safe
13:05 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, exactly
13:05 <@Corydon76-home> Nevermind that most of the columns were calculations, not numbers from the AS/400 itself
13:06 <@Corydon76-home> I think I had that problem at the TN Fire Academy, too
13:06 <@Corydon76-home> Run a report, here's the spreadsheet...
13:07 <@Corydon76-home> That was a fun use of the CPAN Spreadsheet::WriteExcel module
13:10 < RangerZ> php has a REALLY nice pdf creation library
13:10 < RangerZ> but it isn't maintained, but it was really easy to make really nice professional pdfs with it
13:10 < RangerZ> i generated sales quotes for my old job with it
13:11 <@Corydon76-home> Anytime I've wanted to do that, I just use ghostscript... print directly to PDF
13:11 <@Corydon76-home> Or prior to printing to PDF, print to PS, then use ps2pdf
13:11 < RangerZ> then once i left they had to stop using it b/c they didn't have anyone else who could read my dynamically created php code
13:11 < RangerZ> not my fault i was using the language the way it was intended, lol
13:12 <@Corydon76-home> dynamically created code?
13:12 <@Corydon76-home> Sounds kind of like my self-modifying code I wrote in assembly, prior to me understanding the concept of indirect addressing
13:12 < RangerZ> you know how php has $variable_name right?
13:13 <@Corydon76-home> Okay...
13:13 < RangerZ> well b/c it is an interpreted language, you can do (this might be slightly off syntax wise, haven't touched php in like 3 years), but $variablePartOne$variablePartTwo to be a single variable
13:14 < RangerZ> $x$y
13:14 < RangerZ> so you could increment x or y and have new variables
13:14 <@Corydon76-home> Sounds kind of like an implicit eval
13:15 < RangerZ> http://php.net/manual/en/language.variables.variable.php ehh sorta
13:16 < RangerZ> but its really useful for creating unique variables into a sorta N-demensional array
13:16 <@Corydon76-home> If you aren't very careful, it can be a can of worms
13:16 < RangerZ> yes, but i was careful
13:17 < RangerZ> but the problem they had was that they had script kiddies who couldn't edit it without breaking it
13:17 < RangerZ> b/c they didn't understand the principles behind it
13:18 <@Corydon76-home> Not too surprising, actually.  That's why we comment frugally when it comes to complex code
13:18 <@Corydon76-home> Even seasoned programmers can be tripped up by code like that
13:19 < RangerZ> well they didn't care about commenting.... so i had a script that would go through the entire db and erase any line in any file that started with '//'
13:20 < RangerZ> but i never ran it...
13:20 < RangerZ> but i left it there, wondering if someone would ever run it
13:20 < RangerZ> lol
13:20 <@Corydon76-home> Heh, I prefer '#' and '/* */' for comments
13:20 < RangerZ> i prefer /* */, but most of the code had //
13:20 < RangerZ> so ehh
13:21 <@opticron> I like the /+ +/ that nest properly in D
13:21 <@opticron> so you can comment out a code block that already contains /+ +/
13:22 <@opticron> instead of crap falling apart like /* */ does
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13:23 <@Corydon76-home> opticron: that's what #if 0 #endif is for
13:27 < RangerZ> man screw that I like LOLCODE
13:27 < RangerZ>  HAI  CAN HAS STDIO?  PLZ OPEN FILE "LOLCATS.TXT"?
13:27 < RangerZ> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOLCODE
13:28 < RangerZ> KTHXBYE instead of return
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13:55 <@opticron> if only we could have REM back (oh wait, #define REM //)
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14:33 < m0j0-j0j0> damn... I'm going to miss PN again
14:34 < m0j0-j0j0> and I enjoy peein
14:59 <@Dagmar> Well, we're not allowing any peeing at PN this year, so it's all for the best I suppose.
14:59 <@Dagmar> It's going to be tough, but it's the only way to prevent any more pissing contests.
15:08  * MaxieZ is sad
15:08 < MaxieZ> That was the only way I knew to determine who had the biggest dick though.
15:09 < MaxieZ> Which sounds more homosexual than I intended.
15:09 < MaxieZ> nm.
15:12 < ware> the chair isnt the only thing that has gone of the roof of the  hotel!
15:12 < ware> rofl
15:12 <@Sheath> off*
15:12 < ware> *pissin me, u r
15:19 <@Corydon76-home> MaxieZ: big dicks are of limited usefulness
15:24 < Dickie> I get by.
15:29 <@Dagmar> Same here.
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15:59 < ware> IS THAT YOUR BREATH
15:59 < ware> OR DID YOU JUST FART
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16:49 <@Corydon76-home> Dickie: seeing is believing
16:49 < Dickie> Get in line
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17:03 <@Dagmar> Speaking of which we have to retrain Wilbur I guess
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17:50 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: wha?
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19:17 <@Dagmar> Your secret question with it's wrong answer.
19:17 <@Dagmar> It's up there with "If someone asks you if you are a god, you say 'Yes!'"
19:17 <@Dagmar> If someone asks you if they can see your large penis, the answer is generally "Why, yes you can, actually!"
19:18 <@Dagmar> Pfft.
19:18 <@Dagmar> "SIGNAL FOUND. RECONNECTING...
19:18 <@Dagmar> Still means "No ISOs for j00!"
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19:23 <@Evilpig> well my answer would probably be something along the lines of "well not usually, but you sound kinda cute"
19:24 <@Evilpig> the other prize for the scavenger hunt came in this afternoon, and I scared off another ups driver.
19:24 <@Evilpig> I need to start wearing clothes to bed or something
19:24 < CNwaV> What did you get me?
19:25 <@Evilpig> I have a couple of prizes.  this is just an 8GB flashdrive
19:25 <@brimstone> *just*
19:25 <@brimstone> it's got a teensy in it
19:26 <@brimstone> you've been talking to irongeek again
19:26 < Dickie> like your mom
19:26 <@Evilpig> 8GB isn't that big
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19:26 <@Evilpig> it's a small kingston one comes with a 5 yr warranty.
19:27 <@Evilpig> the other prize I have right now is the nano access point I linked before
19:27 <@brimstone> i've exercised the warrenty on mine 3 times in the last 18 months
19:27 <@brimstone> that's a cool price
19:27 <@brimstone> ninja-remotes and teensy would also be cool
19:27 <@brimstone> if you need ideas
19:28 < CNwaV> Ninja remotes? Ir or something?
19:28 <@brimstone> yup
19:28 <@brimstone> small universal remotes
19:28 <@Evilpig> at this point I think my budget towards PN is exhausted.
19:28 <@brimstone> but they only have chan +/-, vol +/-
19:28 < CNwaV> Ah, cool
19:28 <@brimstone> etc
19:29 <@Evilpig> I have to get wilpig consulting built into a few of the swag items too since I am putting so much in. 
19:30 < CNwaV> I was hoping it was a remote for controlling ninjas.... Kick, punch and ninja star buttons
19:30 <@Evilpig> why the hell is my cat licking my coke can?
19:30 <@Dagmar> Probably because it's wet and tastes interesting
19:31 < CNwaV> Maybe it has a aluminum deficiency
19:32 <@Evilpig> I figure it has osmething to do with it being cold.  cause she licked it a few times then ran off
19:54 < CNwaV> When does pre reg close?
20:04 < CNwaV> Is the pn site down?
20:07 <@Evilpig> it should be up
20:07 <@Evilpig> unless dreamhost has gone tits up again.
20:07 <@Evilpig> the pre-reg will be up through Nov 3rd I think
20:08 <@Evilpig> pn site came up for me
20:08 < CNwaV> Hrmmm
20:12 < daswork> Okay, what should I put on my kindle?
20:13 <@Evilpig> PORN!
20:15 < RangerZ> Dresden Files is good
20:17 < daswork> Oh?
20:17 < daswork> Well, I did put Stross's Rule 34 on it.
20:17 < daswork> I should buy the paperback when that comes out, but fuck the hardcover price.
20:33 < RangerZ> there are 13~14 books out, plus the tv show
20:34 < RangerZ> only made 13 eps, but thats where i got familiar with it, and it was decently well done, but TNT or Sci-Fi kept moving it around, and not showing the FIRST ep ... you know... first, lol
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20:43 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: Take a gander at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1w93kBXPak
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20:46 < CNwaV> Cool
21:08 <@Dagmar> So expensive and so porn... https://smarttweezers.3dcartstores.com/Smart-Tweezers-PN-STAD_p_26.html
21:08 <@Dagmar> Jesus I'd love one of those but three hundred smackers... Ouch
21:11 < ware> hahah
21:11 < ware> you are such a nerd and its awesome
21:11 < ware> those are pretty sweet
21:12 <@Dagmar> I *know* I'm a nerd
21:13 <@Dagmar> Even without working with SMT gear, the number of times I've been standing around trying to juggle multimeter 'trodes... geez
21:13 <@opticron> yep...
21:14 <@Dagmar> Gonna have to keep my eyes peeled for small, spring-loaded salad tongs now.
21:14 < CNwaV> There was a cool writeup for diy smart tweezers on hackaday
21:14 <@Dagmar> I just saw the banner ad on Slashdot and my eyes bugged
21:15 <@Dagmar> $300 tho.  Jesus
21:15 <@Dagmar> As much as I'd love to throw money at them for making that I'll have to wait until the price comes down
21:15 <@Dagmar> Gonna have to start stalking the local Radio Shack now
21:16 <@Dagmar> I got lucky when I got my current DMM.  I paid $40 for it and it was generally over 150
21:16 < CNwaV> http://hackaday.com/2011/08/10/diy-smart-tweezers-make-smd-work-a-cinch/
21:18 <@Dagmar> Hmm... "up to 8 volts"
21:18 <@Dagmar> OKay, that chilled my interest a bit
21:18 <@Dagmar> Now I'm seeing them as just really overpriced.
21:18 <@Dagmar> Teeny probe tips, I have.
21:19 <@Dagmar> I recycled the sockets from an old 5pin DIN connector and soldered sewing needles into the wire lead end
21:19 <@Dagmar> ...and I can shove it into a wall outlet without it exploding like those smart tweezers would
21:20 <@Dagmar> I think I'll stick with my caveman-like non-SMT components for now
21:21 <@am1n0> hey, through hole is 943243 times easier
21:21 <@am1n0> to solder for me
21:25 <@Dagmar> I'm feeling a chump now because I just realized I was being stupid about not using solder wick
21:25 <@Dagmar> http://www.sparkfun.com/tutorials/96
21:25 <@Dagmar> Iv'e always been of the "heat it and whack it on the table" stripe
21:26 <@Dagmar> Like I said, cave-man
21:26 <@Dagmar> This having been said, I still think I'm going to need nanites if I ever want to fix my cell phone's USB connector.
21:28 < CNwaV> That vendor that sells nippers that will be at pn has a really cool solder wick dispenser thing...
21:31 <@Dagmar> Wtf
21:32 <@Dagmar> Ihave been out of hobby electronics too long
21:32 <@Dagmar> Some of the stuff this guy just casually uses make me say "Crap why didn't I ever have one of those?" http://store.curiousinventor.com/guides/Surface_Mount_Soldering/101/
21:37 < eryc> what you makin
21:38 < RangerZ> jesus... i bow down to him...
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21:38 <@Dagmar> eryc: I don't think it matters because it'll be ridiculously small
21:39 <@Dagmar> To THINK of the bullshti I went through to make a red box the size of a quarter
21:39 <@Dagmar> Rangerz: When he just rakes a shitload of solder across all those .5mm pins, there's a small voice in the back of my head screaming "dear god.. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!" and then suddenly...
21:40 <@Dagmar> SOLDER WICK
21:40 <@Dagmar> *facepalm*
21:40 <@Dagmar> When he gets to the long-melty solder I'm sitting here thinking "WHAT IS THIS WITCHCRAFT!"
21:42 < RangerZ> my girl is going to "fan girl squeel" as she calls it
21:42 < RangerZ> when she see that
21:42 <@Dagmar> Put a fucking ring on that.
21:42 < RangerZ> they spent hours at notacon making her con badge
21:42 < RangerZ> aurdino board on the badge with 6 led and batteries, etc
21:42 < CNwaV> That was a cool vid... Learned a couple things
21:42 < RangerZ> caps and resisters
21:43 < RangerZ> et.al.
21:43 < RangerZ> i used to be REALLY good with soildering...
21:43 < RangerZ> but i was soldering* 1/4in cables
21:43 < CNwaV> I need a new iron..
21:43 < RangerZ> lol
21:43 <@Dagmar> Yeah me too, and compared to that I'm using a fucking blowtorch and ball peen hammer
21:44 <@Dagmar> "ME MAKE STICK GOOD!"  *bambam* *FWOOOSH*
21:44 < RangerZ> i make making hundred(s) feet stage cabling
21:44 < RangerZ> was making* geez...
21:44 <@Dagmar> Yeah I have a thing that "uses plasma" that would probably be good for that
21:45 <@Dagmar> I wouldn't dare touch it to anything with an IC on it tho
21:45 < CNwaV> I have problems soldering for long periods of time lately... Hands start to cramp real bad
21:45 <@Dagmar> Yay internets!
21:46 <@Dagmar> I gotta say I just learned a bunch of nifty stuff from that and a couple other videos
21:47 < eryc> that was a great video
21:47 < eryc> what else did you find!
21:47 < CNwaV> He has skills
21:47 < eryc> i like his style
21:48 <@Dagmar> It's his techniques that are awesome
21:48 < CNwaV> Quick too... Im really slow with smt
21:48 <@Dagmar> The solder paste?  Goddamn porno
21:48 < RangerZ> i think my problem has been crap irons
21:48 <@Dagmar> I know I have a really crude iron, but it's hard to overdose a contact with it at least
21:48 < eryc> i have a fairly nice temp controlled iron
21:49 < RangerZ> ohh, you should see the 3m liquid black tape then... thats an orgy
21:49 < CNwaV> If you dont mind a slow boat, you can get some really nice ones very cheap...
21:49 < RangerZ> saved my ass so many times when other cables would have failed
21:49 < eryc> wut
21:49 <@Dagmar> I've been to sparkfun a couple dozen times.  I really should have looked at their videos sooner... http://www.sparkfun.com/tutorials/36
21:50 <@Dagmar> I always just sort of figured they used a hotplate
21:50 <@Dagmar> On page two of that they have a perfectly hideous blob of solder between two pins and the solder wick just makes it all better like magic
21:51 <@Dagmar> My old desoldering bulb looks like a trepanator to me now
21:52 <@Dagmar> Gonna go throw it out.
21:53 <@Dagmar> <-- humbled
21:53 < RangerZ> Evilpig: call 911
21:53 < RangerZ> Dagmar must have food poisoning
21:54 <@Dagmar> hehe
21:54 < RangerZ> ;) lol
21:54 < RangerZ> sorry, was just too easy
21:54 <@Dagmar> I can and have been able to generally fix shit with my soldering pencil for decades
21:54 <@Dagmar> Now I see there's a whole crop of really new shit to get my hands on
21:55 <@Dagmar> Hopefully my trusty DMM will not start looking like a prop from an old sci-fi movie to me
21:56 <@Dagmar> Now I feel bad for using solder tape in front of a union guy about a year ago
21:58 < oddball> Yeah, I've been fixing shit with a Radio Shack special for a while now.
22:17 <@Evilpig> virgil just suggested for a wifi race we create and then get some girl to wear a wifi enabled bra.  
22:18 <@Evilpig> run rabbit run
22:18 <@brimstone> nano router + battery?
22:19 <@Evilpig> yar
22:25 < eryc> huh
22:32 <@brimstone> Evilpig: answer my twitter!
22:33 < eryc> Dagmar: http://thisisntthecountdown.com/
22:33 < sync350> Hm, 1 week till Hallows End :P lol
22:33 <@Evilpig> I just saw it.  busy
22:36 <@brimstone> busy? yeah right
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22:42 <@Evilpig> fuck me!  internet disconnect I think
22:42 <@Evilpig> doing a bear run so yeah.  
22:42 <@brimstone> running bears
22:42 <@brimstone> is that like running men?
22:43 <@Evilpig> timed run of an instance.  
22:44 <@Evilpig> 6 min on timer nearly to boss
22:44 <@Evilpig> wow crashed
22:44 <@brimstone> i don't keep up with pokemon
23:04 < CNwaV> Wifi race?
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23:09 <@Evilpig> I wonder what this is in reference to.  http://twitter.com/#!/TheReverend_i/
23:10 <@Evilpig> the facebook thing?  they were also talking about something with banking on the 5th
23:11 <@Evilpig> nm http://twitter.com/#!/AnonyOps/status/123919890749997056
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23:38 < RangerZ> so you guys don't have sweetest day down here do you?
23:38 < RangerZ> its a mostly Great-Lakes tradition(from cleveland originally), basically an October V-day
23:39 < RangerZ> friend of mine is a huge party goer and sent me this link to find the local parties (back home)
23:39 < RangerZ> http://storeforlovers.com/glm/swd2011.cfm
23:40 < RangerZ> then i realized... halloween is coming up.... LOL... out of it
23:46 <@Bahhumbug> Sweetest Day is just another Hallmark Holiday.
23:50 < RangerZ> nope
23:50 < RangerZ> not at all
23:50 < RangerZ> it is a candy industry holiday
23:50 < RangerZ> get it right...
23:50 < RangerZ> ;) , lol
23:50 < RangerZ> (i'm not even kidding, the cleveland city candy manf'ers worked to get it popular), lol
23:51 <@Bahhumbug> heh
23:56 < RangerZ> but having another random holiday to butter up the laid
23:56 < RangerZ> ladies*, or to get yourself out of the dog house...
23:57 < RangerZ> well worth it, thats A Good Thing... lol
23:57 <@Bahhumbug> Give 'em chocolate and make every day a holiday :)
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