--- Log opened Sun Oct 09 00:00:13 2011 00:15 < RangerZ> http://www.technobase.fm/ great techno song on now 00:15 < RangerZ> if anyone cares 00:15 < RangerZ> based off some pump it up from korea(if anyone know that) 01:24 -!- sync350 [~sync@96-25-169-158.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has joined #se2600 01:29 -!- sync350 [~sync@96-25-169-158.gar.clearwire-wmx.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:00 <@Evilpig> I was back in the datacenter swapping out switches 02:00 <@Evilpig> two high density gigabit switches each about 75% populated changed out without a single cable misplaced 02:01 <@Dagmar> w00t! 02:01 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: Have you seen Person of Interest? 02:22 <@Evilpig> don't think so 02:23 <@Evilpig> Dag, even managed to clean up the cabling in that rack in the process. looks soooo much better. didn't even remake any cables just took the time to put them in properly 02:25 <@Evilpig> gonna run and get some lunch now. half the time when I was supposed to take my lunch was taken up with that swap. 02:43 <@Dagmar> You will find the show interesting, but I'll bet money you'll have a problem with one of the sets 02:44 <@Dagmar> When you see "the machine" you'll know exactly what I'm talking about 02:44 <@Evilpig> i'll look for it after I finish "Friday the 13th: The Series" 02:44 <@Dagmar> Ah, Canadians and AquaNet White. 02:46 <@Evilpig> watching the new thor now 02:50 < RangerZ> i liked it 02:50 < RangerZ> better story than green lantern atleast 02:50 < RangerZ> though... thats not saying much 03:00 -!- CNwaV [~Yaaic@68-189-190-128.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com] has joined #se2600 03:00 < CNwaV> Fookin hell 03:30 <@Evilpig> que? 03:30 <@Evilpig> well i've finished maxing out valor on four WoW toons this week. it doesn't reset til tuesday morning. what to do now? guess level my bank some more 04:31 < RangerZ> http://ln-s.net/9DI2 LOL 05:36 -!- sync350 [~sync@c-98-242-80-239.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 06:10 -!- sync350 [~sync@c-98-242-80-239.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 06:36 <@Evilpig> can anyone spot the catch on the $.99 .com deal? http://order.1and1.com 06:58 < RangerZ> i used to have them for hosting so i won't give it away 06:58 < RangerZ> though any site that isn't a full TLD registrar actually owns your domain, 06:58 < RangerZ> and is just letting you pay them to point it at whatever server you want until they can auction it off once it becomes profitable 06:58 < RangerZ> lol 06:59 < RangerZ> though damn... it wasn't as bad as their TOS now 07:05 <@Evilpig> I keep all of mine with network solutions. 07:05 <@Evilpig> I like the fact that they let anyone renew it no matter who the owner they'll take anyone's money and extend the life on a domain 07:38 < scribbles> RangerZ: so if it lapses they'll take it? 07:38 < scribbles> i have a domain with them now 07:38 < RangerZ> they already own it 07:39 < RangerZ> you are leasing it from them (atleast that was the deal back then, i'd have to read it more carefully now) 07:39 < scribbles> so thats why whois privacy is free ;) 07:39 < RangerZ> look at networksolutions 07:39 < RangerZ> they were buying up any domain you searched for on their site 07:39 < RangerZ> so you couldn't get it at another registrar 07:40 < scribbles> right 07:40 < RangerZ> so people setup scripts to auto search 111111.com 1111112.com 07:40 < RangerZ> lol 07:40 < scribbles> thats super shady 07:40 < RangerZ> though tbh, they are still the best place to get your domain, since you actually "own" it 07:40 < RangerZ> patriot act, and PRO-IP, etc not withstanding 07:40 < scribbles> just make sure you go through with the purchase... 07:41 < RangerZ> yeah 07:47 -!- RangerZ [~mawalker@c-69-245-3-120.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:20 <@Evilpig> scribbles: godaddy is the worst about that 08:20 <@Evilpig> if you have a domain with them and it lapses. they will give you ~30 to pay up current or the fee goes up to $80 to get it back 08:20 <@Evilpig> if you don't pay the extortion fee to get it back within ~90 it goes up for auction to the highest bidder. 08:22 < scribbles> what an ethical industry! 08:22 <@Evilpig> you gotta pay for all that advertising somehow 08:32 < ragechin> what really pisses me off is when they give you a link in their whois returns 08:32 < ragechin> forcing you to fire up a browser and visit a page of theirs that's full of the information you need... and a fuckton of ads 08:34 <@Bahhumbug> Ads? In 2011? 08:34 < ragechin> unpossible, i know 08:34 <@Bahhumbug> I've not seen an ad in years. 08:35 <@Bahhumbug> As far as the $30 and $80 dollar fees. Domains are at a premium and the yearly fee has lapsed; I don't see a problem with charging to get it back. 08:36 <@Bahhumbug> Miss a bill payment and you have to pay extra pretty much everywhere; I don't see why domains should be different. 09:02 <@Dickie> http://i.imgur.com/6K0K5.png 10:19 <@Dagmar> Might have something to do with that there's _zero cost_ to them 10:20 <@Dagmar> Companies that take payments typically have a third party covering for them, literally acting as an insurer and paying them a certain amount of money each month to cover the people who didn't pay their bills 10:21 <@Dagmar> Registrars just shuffle fucking bits that don't even represent money. 10:33 -!- todd [todd@toddedwards.us] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:15 -!- CNwaV [~Yaaic@68-189-190-128.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org] 12:37 -!- Dickie [~dickie@unaffiliated/dickie] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:51 -!- Dickie [~dickie@216.186.149.164] has joined #se2600 15:38 * Bahhumbug shrugs 15:40 <@Bahhumbug> Payment lapses; penalties apply. I don't see any difference between a missed re-up on a domain or a missed cable payment to be honest. I guess it just doesn't matter much to me as I look at it as doing business. 15:52 < eryc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1pt7pdZAQ0 15:54 -!- dasunt [~dasunt@174-20-182-178.mpls.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:17 -!- strages [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined #se2600 16:33 -!- strages [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:40 -!- strages [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined #se2600 16:50 < scribbles> PN15 room reservations have been made 16:50 < scribbles> woot 16:58 -!- iabosi [iabosi@oberon.vectori.net] has joined #se2600 16:59 < scribbles> re 17:13 -!- strages [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:15 -!- strages [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined #se2600 17:44 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: Domains cost the registrar no money 17:50 <@Bahhumbug> I don't see the relevance. You are obligated to pay, just as with any other service, on time or risk penalties; the cost or lack thereof to the provider really doesn't come into play in my opinion. The whole thing is really quite simple: want the domain renewed with no penalties pay the charges on time and you're golden for the next year. 17:51 <@Dagmar> You are not obligated to be punished if you stop 17:52 <@Dagmar> You are not obligated to have your domain put on the hard-sell list to domain speculators if you stop. 17:52 <@Dagmar> THat is extortionate behavior. 17:52 <@Bahhumbug> If you say so. 17:52 <@Bahhumbug> Business is business. Pay or don't play. 17:52 <@Dagmar> "Business is business." <-- this doesn't mean shit 17:53 <@Bahhumbug> Domain registrations are, have been, and will always be, a business. 17:53 <@Dagmar> If you go to a doctor for five years and decide you want to use a different doctor, your current doctor doesn't try to infect you with aids 17:53 <@Dagmar> Being that there are more than one registrar, they have no expectation that you will renew with them 17:54 <@Bahhumbug> Then transfer it before it expires. 17:54 <@Dagmar> However, they've apparently instituted a policy to fuck you over if you try 17:54 <@Bahhumbug> How? The issue was non-payment. 17:54 <@Dagmar> Yes, I suppose you could GO WITH SOMEONE ELSE AND STILL KEEP PAYING THE OLD REGISTRAR 17:57 <@Dagmar> No other "business" institutes such a hideous policy 17:57 <@Dagmar> So you "Business is business." statement is unrelated crap. 17:57 <@Bahhumbug> If you say so. 17:57 <@Dagmar> I'm quite sure so. 17:57 * Bahhumbug shrugs 17:58 <@Bahhumbug> It's been like this for years. People know how it works. You can transfer before it expires if that's the issue and then pay then new registrar for the next year and it's business as normal or you can pay the yearly renewal fee and it's business as usual. If you let it lapse it's your own fault. 17:58 <@Dagmar> Look if you take the attitude that any perncious little thing a company comes up with to make a buck is automatically okay because it makes them a buck, there's a whole shitload of completely illegal busisness practices you will never understadn. 17:59 <@Dagmar> Just because they're doing it doesn't make it not a shit thing to do. 17:59 <@Dagmar> Fucking over your customers out of spite is _never_ the right thing to do. 17:59 <@Dagmar> Also motherfucker... 18:00 <@Dagmar> "Domain registrations are, have been, and will always be, a business." <-- YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT THIS SHIT, TOO 18:00 <@Dagmar> DNS is a fuckign _facility_. 18:00 <@Bahhumbug> "motherfucker? Nice. *plonk* 18:01 <@Dagmar> Before all the greedy speculators glommed on and decided everyone must have the imaginary land they're imaginary-selling, it wasn't subject to insane shit like that 18:01 <@Dagmar> Soo... the "it' always been that way" argument is also shit. 18:06 <@Dagmar> What kind of pussy did he turn into when I wasn't looking 18:06 <@Dagmar> He plonks me for saying "motherfucker"... In here. 18:08 <@Dagmar> Baffling 18:27 < ragechin> win 25 18:27 < ragechin> ignore that 18:29 -!- smoke____ [~smoke@ip-174-142-36-115.static.privatedns.com] has joined #se2600 18:29 -!- smoke____ is now known as Guest25862 18:31 -!- Guest25862 [~smoke@ip-174-142-36-115.static.privatedns.com] has quit [Client Quit] 18:32 -!- smoke___ [~smoke@ip-174-142-36-115.static.privatedns.com] has joined #se2600 18:37 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-69-247-142-16.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 19:08 -!- daswork [~dasunt@174-20-126-13.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #se2600 19:29 <@Evilpig> Bahhumbug: the issue I had with people like godaddy is this. I knew of a domain that was about to expire and couldn't get ahold of the person that held the account. I wanted to pay that bitch up for hte year but they wouldn't take my money and renew it. REFUSED the money so they could instead try for the $80 "recovery" fee 19:29 <@Evilpig> that is not only bad business practice but creating the situation for the shit fee to begin with 19:34 -!- smoke___ [~smoke@ip-174-142-36-115.static.privatedns.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:34 <@Evilpig> oh good god. so anderson cooper is interviewing some kids over a school's anti-bullying policy 19:35 <@Evilpig> this is bullshit. these kids need to grow fucking backbones and speak against their bully or learn some conflict resolution tactics instead of using hte system to do conflict avoidance 19:35 <@Evilpig> 20 years from now these little shits that haven't had to learn to deal with conflict are going to be running things. we're gonna be france 19:36 < MaxieZ> I think the worry is that they'll just columbine the school instead. So we have to stop bullies so that doesn't happen 19:40 <@Evilpig> That is stupid reasoning though. You're gonna get kids that are fucked up no matter what measures you put in place to deteur them. Stuff like making it to where you can't call a kid a mother fucker without fear of getting suspended from school because it was an insult and not considering foul language is dumb. 19:41 < MaxieZ> But....we have to keep everyone safe at all times from everything. You didn't know that? 19:42 <@Evilpig> fuck that. they just showed some video of a bunch of kids on a bus that looked like rough housing to pat and I. the kids were claiming they were being bullied but didn't fight back, speak out, or anything until someone said they were being bullied. then it instantly went to "i'm a victim feel bad for me, they hurt me and I was powerless against them" 19:43 <@Evilpig> dr phil on there blaming the parents saying the parents should be controlling their kids. that they should know their kid is a bully. 19:43 <@Evilpig> that's stupid. 19:43 < RangerZ> dr phil is the example of extreme 19:44 < RangerZ> in general he should be just ignored 19:44 < RangerZ> the problem is that our education system has been systematically dismantled 19:44 <@Evilpig> he's the kind of person we should be making an example of. 19:44 <@Evilpig> good point 19:44 < RangerZ> and we no longer teach "be sceptical" or hell even "trust but verify" 19:45 <@Evilpig> but I think the bigger issue here is people not taking responibility for their own actions. instituting this basic belief of it isn't ever my problem. 19:50 <@Dagmar> I think the main thing is that they're fostering a culture of handing off responsibiliity to someone else. 19:50 <@Dagmar> ...which is great if you want slaves. 19:50 <@Dagmar> ...but mainly I only see victims. 19:52 <@Evilpig> http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/08/bullying-it-stops-here-snapshots/ this is what we are watching right now. what a joke 20:04 < RangerZ> Evilpig: though if you look at every generation, they will say the same thing 20:04 < RangerZ> thats just how aging affects you 20:05 <@Dagmar> No, in "my" day they expected you to handle some of it yourself. 20:05 <@Dagmar> They didn't try to throw kids into prison for punching a bully's lights out. 20:05 < RangerZ> thats my point 20:05 < RangerZ> it is a scewed belief 20:05 <@Dagmar> This hasn't anything to do with "aging". 20:05 < RangerZ> nothing much has actually changed, excep those who are 25 to 18 20:05 <@Dagmar> It has to do with spineless buraucrats and chickenshit absentee parents becoming the norm. 20:06 < RangerZ> with the serious change to education that no child AHEAD act 20:06 <@Bahhumbug> Evilpig: I don't disagree with that argument. I do disagree with people crying about not wanting to pay what amounts to late-fees like the previous drama-induced nonsense I lost interest in. 20:07 < RangerZ> as with almost all problems in our government, undue money is the root cause 20:07 <@Evilpig> I think the point is those fees for being late would be acceptable if they were 1) reasonable 2) not being driven by bad business practices 20:07 < RangerZ> a7 people who are dedicated to something, are a lot more motived then 100 who only slightly care about it 20:08 <@Evilpig> if I neglected to pay my bill and they came to me and said we held your shit for you now pay us %25 or even %50 more as a penalty. fine. but demanding 400% is crazy 20:09 < RangerZ> well look at the short term loan centers 20:09 <@Dagmar> You mean "dressed up mobsters" 20:09 < RangerZ> they were charging something like 600% APR 20:09 <@Evilpig> and they have to disclose that up front too. they are preying on the stupid 20:09 <@Bahhumbug> I still don't see the issue, frankly. I treat all domains I own / admin as business assets and as a result they are never late. I see the case you reference as sort of a corner-case and one I do not agree with at all; they should just accept payment and be done with it and yes, it's a scheme for making money. 20:10 <@Bahhumbug> God knows Parson's is a greedy douchebag. But I really see nothing wrong with late fees as such. 20:11 < RangerZ> *not sure where the late fees talk is coming from, but w/e* 20:11 <@Evilpig> RangerZ: earlier 20:11 < RangerZ> yeah i figured 20:11 < RangerZ> just too lazy to scroll up, if i was even onlin 20:11 <@Evilpig> started from me asking if anyone could ifnd the catch in 1&1 offering .com's for $.99 20:12 < RangerZ> the 50$ setup fee? 20:12 < RangerZ> or w/e it was 20:12 <@Evilpig> no setup fee 20:12 <@Bahhumbug> 1 and 1 has a poor rep in the hosting world. I don't know how their other services are. 20:12 < RangerZ> then what did you find? 20:12 < RangerZ> i only skimmed it at the time 20:12 <@Evilpig> like I said. I am gonna call the backline for network solutions and see if they will honor that rate for the first year and reg a few tonight 20:12 <@Evilpig> I couldn't find any 20:13 < RangerZ> yeah don't even bother with 1and1's hosting 20:13 < RangerZ> its a shell game of service 20:13 <@Evilpig> if they won't I might reg a few with them then pay the $8.99 transfer fee to network solutions which will add a year of reg to it as well 20:15 < RangerZ> btw, skydogcon2012.com is available 20:15 < RangerZ> LOL 20:15 <@Dagmar> Now that is tempting 20:15 <@Evilpig> not even gonna mess with him. I have something better in mind 20:16 <@Bahhumbug> What I was at Computer Cafes netsol dropped "cafes.net" off the roots for 36+ hours due to a glitch on their website interface. I moved everything off there that same week. 20:16 <@Evilpig> netsol has had their issues in the past 20:16 <@Bahhumbug> Which prompted this entry in the .sigs database: 20:16 <@Bahhumbug> "I'm sorry but our engineers do not have phones." 20:16 <@Bahhumbug> As stated by a Network Solutions Customer Service representative when asked to 20:16 <@Bahhumbug> be put through to an engineer. 20:16 <@Evilpig> god knows the problems they had with giving control of domains over to other people are well documented 20:20 < RangerZ> its not like it even made things "better" 20:21 < RangerZ> US: We invented a lot of the Internet's technology, we setup groups to run the core internet stuff.... 20:21 < RangerZ> everyone else: well the US shouldn't control that much power(that it made) 20:21 <@Dagmar> "The US" never did. 20:22 <@Dagmar> Engineers "controlled" it. 20:22 <@Dagmar> In that that were hell bent on keeping the system running 24/7/365 and ignoring the dimwit bureaucrats. 20:22 < RangerZ> yeah, but you get my point 20:22 < RangerZ> thats how people outside the US saw it 20:22 <@Dagmar> Correction: That's how _stupid people_ outside the US saw it. 20:22 < RangerZ> and? 20:23 < RangerZ> your point is? 20:23 < RangerZ> lol 20:23 <@Dagmar> Stupid people aren't the ones who build things like the internet. 20:23 <@Dagmar> Their "input" on the matter should have been ignored. 20:23 <@Dagmar> ...because as expected catering to the interests of idiots that diverge from "keep it running 24/7/365" only results in a worse situation. 20:24 < RangerZ> after 3 years working tech support, i default that most people have no clue what happens in the "magic boxes that gives me internet: porn, email, email porn, porn email, and angry birds" 20:24 < RangerZ> ./me/them 20:24 <@Evilpig> on a completely other topic, unless i'm branching off of stupid, http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-county/bs-md-co-bleach-assault-20111008,0,2540895.story 20:24 < RangerZ> and unfortunately stupid people will always have more votes 20:25 < RangerZ> look at voting rights 20:25 < RangerZ> and civil liberties 20:25 < RangerZ> there is a reason the judicial branch overrides mass stupidity 20:25 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: I'm suprised they're not hauling her up on charges of using weapons of mass destruction 20:27 < RangerZ> what... mustard gas being the slower of the two deadly gasses released from that mixture... 20:27 <@Dagmar> Unless 18 people decided to up and go hypochondriac at the same time, ammonia and bleach were involved simultaneously 20:27 < RangerZ> there is apparently some pretty cool things you can do with those two in the CIA's field manual 20:28 <@Dagmar> Yes, and it's not as slow a reaction as you might think. 20:28 <@Dagmar> It's pretty hazardous even in limited amounts. 20:28 < RangerZ> (apparently you can get it from FOIA requests, and one poli-sci prof had it 20:45 -!- strages [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:00 <@Evilpig> Corydon76-home: you around? 21:01 <@Evilpig> I'm trying to get the shipping options to update to make local pick up default but just doesn't seem to be an option. I've try to add new option and they aren't showing up at all. is there something i'm missing? 21:09 <@Evilpig> nm found it 23:05 < RangerZ> so i'm expecting the amazon fire to be pretty good, still curious about the ability of rooting though 23:15 < RangerZ> been using that next6 i got, and the hardware is nice, and it came with a nice leather case, but it needs a better ebook reading app, ...so if the fire's app is good, with good customization of fontsize, etc... should be a good little device --- Log closed Mon Oct 10 00:00:53 2011