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02:53 <@Evilpig> where is notlarry when you need him!? http://i.imgur.com/lL6gj.jpg
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07:47 <@opticron> Evilpig, battleshots?
07:57 < ware> dangerous
07:57 < ware> lol
07:59 < ware> Evilpig: http://www.wsmv.com/story/15504610/pension-benefit-decision-expected-for-criminal-court-clerk-david-torrence
07:59 < ware> check out the pic on the right side
07:59 < ware> isnt that DoS
08:00 <@Sheath> ddoos
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08:33 < ragechin> ohhi
09:06 < detro\> aoy
09:09 <@brimstone> soy
09:35  * ragechin yawns
09:48  * brimstone rockets a skittle into ragechin's uvula
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10:55 < ragechin> onoes
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18:46 <@Evilpig> ware: yes that is DoS
18:51 <@Evilpig> http://wsmv.images.worldnow.com/images/508796_G.jpg  just the image
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19:44 < ware> loln
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20:02 <@sdodson> ragechin is an awesome name
20:14 <@Evilpig> sdodson: one of the pre-reg's I got asked for the name "trollface.jpg"
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20:35 < aestetix_> oh hai
20:39 < eryc> bummer
20:39 < eryc> my receiver blew up
20:39 < eryc> won't do digital decoding anymore
20:39 < eryc> lasted 12 years
20:39 <@Evilpig> that's a good run for one
20:39 < aestetix_> I need to figure out something to speak about now
20:40 < aestetix_> Evilpig: are you doing talk abstracts yet? :p
20:40 <@Evilpig> time to get a new fancy one with multi-hdmi and upconverting
20:40 <@Evilpig> yes
20:40 < eryc> yea not bad, twas an onkyo
20:40 < aestetix_> ok cool
20:40 <@Evilpig> are you wanting to talk?
20:40 < aestetix_> at PN?
20:40 < aestetix_> I believe I am on the speaker list :)
20:40 < eryc> yea i want a network one
20:40 <@Evilpig> yeah you are.  but you never gave me a bio
20:40 < eryc> there was a yamaha on sale at newegg a week ago
20:41 < aestetix_> Ok, let me send you one real quickly
20:41 <@Evilpig> I still have a few slots open thanks to cancelations if you know someone else
20:41 < aestetix_> Might be worhtwhile to poach vanderbilt students
20:41 < aestetix_> I may wind up having material for two talks, actually
20:41 <@Evilpig> we have one.  right RangerZ 
20:42 < aestetix_> Depending on how the occupysf movement goes.
20:42 <@Evilpig> we got a talk that works with your ident one.
20:42 <@Evilpig> it's either right before or right after you
20:42 < aestetix_> cool
20:43 < aestetix_> Cause yeah. It turns out the identity stuff is actually really, really complicated.
20:46 < eryc> is this talk where you complain about google plus
20:46 < aestetix_> eryc: among other things
20:46 < aestetix_> I also plan on griping about SSL and online identity in general
20:46 < eryc> conform number!
20:47 < eryc> the ssl stuff is ironing itself out with dnssec
20:47 < aestetix_> ...... not really
20:47 <@brimstone> save it for the talk!
20:47 < eryc> unless you mean bissl
20:47 < RangerZ> aye, vandy grad student here... and honestly... their CS probably wouldn't be able to talk about much... had to explain SSH to a bunch of them
20:47 <@brimstone> transssl
20:47 < RangerZ> cs undergrad*
20:48 <@timoguin> wut is ssh?
20:48 < aestetix_> eryc: I've had long conversations with kaminsky and mlp about that. It's really not so good.
20:48 < eryc> i though kamisnky was fixing it for us
20:48 < aestetix_> I mean, it *is* slowly getting better.
20:49 < eryc> i can see light in the stuneel
20:49 <@brimstone> and it's not an oncoming train?
20:49 < eryc> we still need identity tho
20:50 < eryc> like gpg and 2factor stuff
20:50 <@brimstone> openid!
20:50 <@brimstone> facebook connect!
20:50 < aestetix_> eryc: well, those still fall into the issues Tor has
20:50 < eryc> lol
20:50 < eryc> ah, not too familiar with tor issues
20:51 < aestetix_> Here's an example: if you know nothing about a message except point A and point B, how much can you infer?
20:51 < eryc> i haven't used tor in like 5 years
20:51 < aestetix_> And then you can look at things like the size of the message, date/time sent, how many messages were sent at the same time, etc
20:51 < eryc> ya, seems hard
20:51 < eryc> and ugly
20:51 <@brimstone> people have done it though
20:52 <@brimstone> something stupid like 81% probability
20:52 < aestetix_> brimstone: so I mean, there are things like mixmaster that help
20:52 <@brimstone> chrome just put in a patch to alter the size of packets
20:53 < eryc> was that patch meant for some other issue?
20:53 < aestetix_> brimstone: so then there's an algorithm determining the size of the packets over time? :)
20:53 <@brimstone> sure, why not
20:53 < eryc> my algorithm is /dev/urandom + wget reddit.com
20:54 < aestetix_> I mena, I do think a lot of identity is security through obscurity
20:54 <@brimstone> you can't hide secrets from the future
20:54 <@Evilpig> has anyone talked to presmike recently?
20:54 < aestetix_> For example, cracking SSL might take a while. But if you capture an SSL stream and spend six months cracking it, it may turn out to be evidence you can use in court.
20:54 < aestetix_> Or it might be totally useless because the event you were trying to prevent already happened.
20:55 < eryc> i was wondering if its possible to crack ssl based on known text.. i thought the idea was to prevent decryption even if you know the text but intuitively it seems like that would help alot
20:55 < eryc> eg. shell prompts
20:56 <@brimstone> you could probably guess at the first few bits from a server
20:56 < eryc>    or irc logs
20:56 <@brimstone> hit it over port 80
20:56 <@brimstone> get it's headers
20:56 <@Evilpig> you could hit the same server on 443 and grab headers as long as you weren't trying to establish the same session id
20:57 < aestetix_> But yeah, identity has a bunch of other issues in the security world.
20:57 <@brimstone> how much of a server's headers are different from non-ssl and ssl?
20:57 <@Evilpig> good question.  shouldn't be much
20:57 < aestetix_> Example: when Kaminsky's system got pwned a couple years ago, another friend's private keys were exposed.
20:57 < aestetix_> So that brings the question of how much our own identity is tied to others.
20:57 <@brimstone> how many companies have a different box taking ssl?
20:58 < aestetix_> Why would they have a different box taking ssl?
20:58 <@am1n0> aestetix_: id say a lot really, everyone is interconnected to everyone else through the internet
20:58 <@Evilpig> several when places have a website and a store site
20:58 <@am1n0> it's like six degrees of seperation except with logs after logs on the internet
20:58 <@brimstone> *maybe* ssl load balencers
20:58 <@brimstone> 2 or 3 boxes with wild card certs, encrypting for stuff internal
20:59 < aestetix_> Another interesting example: when you unfriend someone from facebook, it also removes some of their posts, and also removes the post noting that you became friends.
20:59 < aestetix_> But if you friend them back, *some* of those posts come back.
20:59 <@Evilpig> you don't need a wildcard for a load balancer, brimstone.
20:59 <@am1n0> interesting
20:59 <@brimstone> Evilpig: no but it's legally cheaper
20:59 <@brimstone> wild cards certs are typically per box then
20:59 <@brimstone> you need 5 or so domains to make it worth it though
21:00 <@brimstone> depending on the provider, etc
21:00 < aestetix_> The egypt revolution had issues with that, I think tunisia did too.
21:00 <@Evilpig> I've seen one wildcard cert issues since I've be here.  not gonna say which domain but a fairly good sized one
21:00 <@Evilpig> issued*
21:00 < aestetix_> IIRC, the tunisian government actually set up a central DNS server that would point people to a fake facebook page, grab their credentials, and then forward them to the real facebook
21:01 <@am1n0> weeird. i can see why they might do that though
21:01 < aestetix_> And then logged in as those people to monitor the their activity
21:01 < aestetix_> I mean, these are people who, if their real name or identity became known, the government would come to their home and either arrest or kill them
21:02 < aestetix_> In any case, I should stfu and actually work on my talk :p
21:02 <@am1n0> whats your talk on aestetix_
21:02 < aestetix_> identity :)
21:02 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: Is there some kind of deadline approaching for those t-shirt things?
21:02 <@Dagmar> I'm too freaking beat tonight
21:02 <@Evilpig> I am going to talk to diane tomorrow morning.  I will have the deadline then. I redid it with the file you sent though
21:02 <@am1n0> thats really neat
21:02 <@am1n0> the videos/audio will be uploaded..somewhere after the talks right?
21:03 <@Evilpig> sending it to a friend of mine shortly that is gonna look at it for me.  he is in the business
21:03 <@Evilpig> am1n0: thats the plan.  probbaly uploaded to blip.tv and will be hosted on the website as well
21:03 <@Dagmar> Shortly as in "possibly Thursday"?
21:03 <@am1n0> cool.
21:03 <@Dagmar> I mainly wanna make sure there's not a repeat of the "cocktail napkin" badges
21:03 <@Evilpig> I think the order has to be in this week.  the graphics probably next.  I am doing water bottle graphics tonight
21:03 <@Dagmar> Just feeling too wiped to do it tonight
21:04 <@Dagmar> Ah okay cool
21:04 <@Evilpig> I have the badge stuff good to go.  they look bad ass
21:04 < ragechin> who pinged?
21:04 < ragechin> oh
21:04 < ragechin> sdodson: heh thanks
21:06 <@Dagmar> Welll, not the badges per se but the shirt design needs TLC in a big way
21:06 <@brimstone> more (.)(.)
21:07 <@am1n0> ya
21:07 <@Sheath> ya
21:07 < ragechin> +1
21:07 <@Sheath> -1
21:07 <@brimstone> and a little 8==D for Sheath
21:07 <@am1n0> haha
21:07 <@am1n0> hey Sheath
21:07 <@am1n0> plz2gaymichigan
21:08 <@Sheath> no
21:08 < ragechin> ugh
21:08 <@Sheath> ugh
21:08 <@am1n0> why
21:08 < aestetix_> am1n0: you should come to the talk :)
21:08 < ragechin> i moved the fuck out of michigan
21:08 <@Sheath> cuz
21:08 <@Sheath> no efnet
21:08 <@am1n0> i might, i can drive now
21:08 <@am1n0> Sheath: oh ok
21:08 <@Sheath> oh ok
21:08 <@Sheath> drive to planet uranus
21:09 <@am1n0> already back
21:11 < aestetix_> Evilpig: when can I twitter and stuff about the talk?
21:11 <@Evilpig> anytime
21:11 <@Evilpig> I just haven't posted the schedule yet.  everythign else I have been publishing
21:11 < aestetix_> ok cool
21:12 <@Evilpig> I've got a constant search up at home for pn15 and phreaknic.  I comment back to folks that mention stuff
21:12 <@brimstone> put it in an rss reader or something geeze
21:13 <@Evilpig> it's a program that does it.  alerts me to new tweet
21:13 <@Evilpig> tweetdeck I think
21:13 < aestetix_> Incidentally
21:13 < aestetix_> I *do* plan to bitch quite a bit about how poorly Google has implemented plus :)
21:14 <@Evilpig> all for that.  they need to open that API all the way and not this read only shit
21:14 <@Evilpig> that is killing them
21:14 < eryc> heh
21:14 < eryc> and don't forget they don't allow apps accounts
21:14 <@Evilpig> http://twitter.com/#!/phreaknic  <-- phreaknic twitter
21:15 < aestetix_> Well I mean, I had abig problem when it turned out that if you change your name on Google Plus, it also changes the name in your email
21:15 < aestetix_> And if your account gets suspended, it also prevents you from commenting on peoples stuff in Google Reader
21:15 < aestetix_> Like, they did a really, really bad job on that.
21:16 <@brimstone> "if you don't like it, don't use it"
21:16 < aestetix_> brimstone: but you can offer suggestions for improvement, and they had already changed the gender privacy controls because of complaints
21:16 <@brimstone> and have they fixed the name bit yet?
21:17 < aestetix_> Nope, and several people have resigned their jobs over it.
21:17 < aestetix_> There is one person controlling the real names policy, and he is being a douchebag.
21:18 <@brimstone> eh, politics and drama
21:30 < aestetix_> Indeed.
21:30 <@Evilpig> politics and drama?  who does google think they are?  phreaknic and some con that will not be named?
21:31 <@brimstone> SHALL NOT BE NAMED
21:31 < ware> will have a name after the con*
21:31 < ware> there is a name the con at teh con
21:31 <@Evilpig> dare I update my virtualbox client addons.  last time this went horribly horribly wrong
21:32 <@Evilpig> OuterNIC
21:32 <@brimstone> OuterPhreak
21:32 <@brimstone> 0uterNIC is good too
21:32 <@Evilpig> NotPhreakNIC
21:33 <@Evilpig> Need to find a picture of a graduated cylinder for the water bottles.  finally getting to do this idea i've had in mind for a few years now
21:33 <@am1n0> ooh graduated cylinders
21:33 <@am1n0> that sounds.. scientific
21:35 <@Evilpig> I have two ideas and one depends on if the printing company can print really close to the rim of the bottle or not
21:36 <@Dagmar> Oh!  Do we know the minimum recommended line thickness for the silkscreening on the shirts?
21:37 <@Evilpig> nay.  that is partly why I was going to send my file off to clay to look over
21:37 <@Evilpig> waiting on an acrobat update to install right now
21:37 <@Dagmar> Ah...
21:37 <@Dagmar> I was figuring to aim for 1.5 to 2mm
21:38 <@Evilpig> I opted for thicker lines that would hold up to multiple washings
21:38 <@Dagmar> I know it can vary but that's generally a not-so-unreasonable thickness for _visibility_
21:39 <@Evilpig> also trying to get my exchange connection up.  I can't use it here for whatever reason.  the firewall policies block or redirect the login packets to microsoftonline
21:41 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: did you see this? http://www.cafepress.com/cp/customize/product2.aspx?number=579092736
21:48 <@Dagmar> heheheh meaaaan
21:48 <@Evilpig> wha?  I dunno what you're talking about
21:49 <@Evilpig> I have this idea if I can get done.  It is downright rude.  If I can pull it off I expect to get at least one printed and ware, wearing it
21:49 <@Evilpig> polerin: PING!
22:09 <@Evilpig> this workstation needs more than 2gb of ram.  giving my virtual only a gig stinks
22:09 <@Evilpig> can't even run email and photoshop at the same time
22:10 < eryc> i put 8gb in my laptop
22:11 <@Evilpig> in the great wisdom of this place I have a 64bit dual core processor running 32bit windows 7.  with 2GB of ram.
22:11 <@Evilpig> granted most people around here in their usual daily activities that should be fine.
22:12 <@Evilpig> I like to think of myself as way far from normal though
22:12 < eryc> i gave up on my work pc and bought my own for that reason
22:13 < eryc> it was a dell latitude
22:13 <@Evilpig> we aren't supposed to bring in outside machines into the NOC
22:14 <@Evilpig> someone made a federal case out of it.  lol.  right Dagmar?
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22:16 < eryc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fovPx0MgwX0
22:16 <@Dagmar> No, not in the datacenter.
22:16 <@Dagmar> If there was some new dictum about the NOC, I never heard about it
22:17 <@Evilpig> dolemite said none in the NOC when I was hired.  going back to some unnamed person and evercrack updates or something along those lines
22:17 < eryc> federal case?
22:17 <@Dagmar> That was me.
22:17 <@Evilpig> I wasn't naming
22:17 <@Dagmar> ...and mainly he was just being full of shit afaik
22:18 <@Dagmar> eryc: Yeah some fucktard cracked one of the windows boxes and very unsubtly launched a brute force password-guessing attempt at the AD controllers
22:18 < eryc> uh
22:18 <@Dagmar> Me being the only asshole in the datacenter that day coupled with the cheif of VUPD generally being a luddite fucktard resulted in FBI on my goddamn doorstep
22:19 < eryc> an employee did?
22:19 < eryc> also on my old laptop i bought more ram for it and replaced it myself
22:19 < eryc> since ram is like $30
22:19 <@Dagmar> I'd covered my bases on that too
22:19 < eryc> uh
22:19 <@Dagmar> I've no damn idea who cracked the server and exploited it
22:20 < eryc> maybe it was lulzsec
22:20 <@Dagmar> It far predates them
22:21 <@Dagmar> My gaming machine was plugged into the same switch the ports in the Help Desk area were on, so there was no special access my shit could have possibly had
22:21 <@Dagmar> I made sure I wasn't bending any rules bringing the damn machine in with me
22:21 <@Dagmar> ...and mainly, I just wanted to see the fucking game WORK instead of goddamn patching itself like it had been doing _the three nights in a row previously_
22:41 <@Evilpig> aestetix_: send me some bio info when you get a few minutes to think.  http://phreaknic.info/pn15/speakers.php
22:44 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: it doesn't look bad now.  but it's missing something. http://phreaknic.info/pn15/images/pn15-shirts.png
22:47 <@Evilpig> NICE!  Forefront protection is awesome.  It is blocking me from getting the Department of Homeland Security's daily email
22:55 <@brimstone> just doin' it's job maddam
23:07 <@Evilpig> anyone have a picture of a phreaknic water bottle?
23:07 <@brimstone> i... have a phreaknic water bottle
23:07 <@brimstone> what year?
23:07 <@Evilpig> I have one sitting here but no camera with me tonight
23:07 <@brimstone> i can touch 3 cameras without moving my left wrist
23:08 <@brimstone> nope, got to move the wrist but don't have to move the elbow
23:08 <@Evilpig> mind taking me a quick pic?  I wanna mock up what this would look like
23:13 <@brimstone> Evilpig: https://twitpic.com/6vccnr
23:14 <@Evilpig> thx
23:15 <@Evilpig> updating shirt prices.  will do this mockup in a sec
23:24 <@Evilpig> content aware replace is downright spooky at times
23:25 <@brimstone> neat
23:34 <@Evilpig> http://i.imgur.com/FHJiT.jpg  png to jpg conversion went funny.  but the logo and stuff is gone
23:35 <@brimstone> cool
23:41 <@Evilpig> http://i.imgur.com/f5vY1.jpg   needs more
23:42 <@brimstone> ha!
23:42 <@brimstone> ___
23:43 <@brimstone> ICE
23:43 <@Evilpig> I was just thinking that.   was thinking of cubes or something in there to fill it in.  maybe some crescent shapes
23:44 <@Evilpig> If I could figure out a few quick things you can do with photoshop that could be an amusing talk.  
23:45 <@brimstone> meh, gimp
23:45 <@Evilpig> problem is having examples and stuff easy to show without needing alot of messing with.
23:45 <@Evilpig> I just can't do stuff with gimp.  i've tried.
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