--- Log opened Sun Oct 02 00:00:53 2011
00:01 <@oddball> Yeah... damn shame it was too late.
00:02  * ragechin stumbles in, alcohol in hand
00:02  * todd stumbles out, dick in hand
00:03 < CNwaV> Your doing it wrong... You are supposed to put it in your mouth...
00:04 < CNwaV> Now the question is... Was I talking about alcohol or dick?
00:06 < rnd> both could be scary.
00:06 < ragechin> putting the first in your mouth will result in your liver being fucked
00:06 < ragechin> the second? just your skull
00:09 <@Evilpig> oddball: notlarry and I saw that movie a few months back when it got leaked to the net without alot of the special effects.  it was comical
00:10 <@oddball> Yeah... I downloaded a DVD rip a while back.  good stuff.
00:12 <@Evilpig> damnit.  too many conversations going on right now.  not enough leveling my warlock
00:12 < CNwaV> What movie?
00:15 <@Evilpig> tucker and dale vs evil
00:16 < todd> wtf.. this skydogcon shit totally has me confused
00:16 < CNwaV> Havent heard of it..
00:17 < CNwaV> The movie, not sdc
00:17 < todd> so who pissed in someone's cornflakes?
00:18 <@oddball> a truly great parody of b horror movies.  There was a midnight showing of it last night at the Belcourt theater.
00:18 <@Evilpig> todd: officially nobody.  skydick resigned.  well that's his version
00:18 <@Evilpig> the real version was he announced the dates for PN13, 30 days before teh con and pissed off the members and we voted his dumbass out
00:19 <@Evilpig> which is partially why the hackerconsortium doesn't have officer elections and he is president for life
00:19 <@oddball> Oh, I hadn't heard the bit about the dates last year.
00:20 <@Evilpig> that's why people like baudburn didn't come.  they had no idea when it was!
00:20 <@oddball> I heard about it having a pretty small attendance.
00:20 <@Evilpig> let alone make plans to come to nashville for other folks.  it was a disaster of planning.  he won't admit fault and wouldn't take help from anyone else
00:21 < todd> interesting...
00:21 <@Evilpig> the best part is.  confront him with this and he has excuses
00:21 <@Evilpig> always with the excuses.  he delegated but so and so didn't do whatever.  
00:22 <@Evilpig> I'm stopping this topic.  sorry.  i'm ranting and I am not about to start more shit
00:22 < todd> lol.. yeah I'm an enabler
00:22 <@Evilpig> if you wanna goto skydickcon have a good time.  if you wanna come out to PN bring me a drink and i'll tell you a tale
00:22 <@Evilpig> we've got bbq on saturday night.  gonna be a good time
00:22 < todd> I have to drive back to Raleigh in a few hours with my kid in the back seat. Gonna go pass out.
00:23 < todd> Evilpig: Never been to phreaknic, but I've heard it's a good time.
00:23 < todd> Actually never been to Nashville.
00:23 <@oddball> On a slightly different note... I'm still trying to decide if I want to go to GMX this year.
00:24 < todd> holy 8.5 hour drive... yeah I'd probably fly there
00:24 < todd> I'll see if m0j0 is going
00:24 <@Evilpig> gmx looks like fun. I contacted them to try and crosspromote.  but they've been silent
00:25 <@oddball> Oh, don't bother... the conchair is the same guy that runs MTAC.
00:25 <@oddball> He obviously puts on good cons, but he's a complete sleezeball.
00:26 <@Evilpig> I knew they were one and the same.  
00:27 <@oddball> I was told by a couple folks that he wasn't part of running GMX anymore, but I was just told by one of the directors that he still was very much so.
00:27 <@Evilpig> just been a pita dealing with them.  had a post for the phreaknic flagged off their local even board because of suppoesdly linking to warez
00:27 <@oddball> Yeah... you told me about that.
00:28 < CNwaV> What is gmx?
00:28 <@Evilpig> geek media expo
00:28 < CNwaV> Oh, never hear of it before
00:29 <@oddball> http://www.geekmediaexpo.com/
00:30 <@Evilpig> for all things tech/geek that aren't appropriate for mtac
00:31 <@oddball> I've been told it's a good time.
00:32 <@Evilpig> it looks like alot of fun
00:32 <@oddball> Oh, by the way, Hypericon regulars still talk about the couple room parties PN through a few years back.
00:34 <@Evilpig> we've definitely had some good parties over the years
00:34 < CNwaV> Is the lamers bus gonna be there this year?
00:35 <@Evilpig> i've got no confirmation on anyone 
00:35 < todd> this is relevant to my interests
00:38 <@Evilpig> nearly don ewith this dundeon
00:42 <@Evilpig> okay.  
00:45 <@oddball> Time for me to hit the sack.
00:46 <@Evilpig> later
00:47 <@Dagmar> Damn him for mentioning Dwarf Fortress to me
00:47 <@Evilpig> haha
00:53 <@Evilpig> I think it is time for some doctor who.  Dagmar did you ever get around to watching the end of wilfred?
01:00 <@Dagmar> Argh
01:00 <@Dagmar> fuckfuckfuck
01:00 <@Dagmar> I meant to start that downloading while I was at Bongo
01:01 <@Dagmar> Not yet.  Every time I try I get tangled up in the fucking transcoding stuff
01:03 <@Dagmar> It almost works reliably now
01:04 <@Evilpig> for the record my rss feeds + rtorrent have worked very reliably for a while now
01:06 <@Dagmar> I *have* the files
01:06 <@Dagmar> I'm just running into trouble chopping commercials and cutting to 720p without weird crap happening at the cuts
01:07 <@Dagmar> I think I'm going to just have to bite the bullet and do the ugly thing and have the transcoder actually decompress and recompress every single frame
01:07 <@Dagmar> It's making crap decisions about when it can and can't get away with recycling data
01:08 <@Dagmar> Either I wind up with the cuts magically moving themselves to the nearest full I-frame, or I get ludicrous artifacting after the cut, or, in the most entertaining cases, the audio and video just get completely out of sync at the cuts
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01:47 <@Evilpig> haha amy.  I'm sure after she realized she was the doctor's mother in law she'd need more than a single drink.  rofl
01:52 <@Dagmar> What
01:52 <@Dagmar> The
01:52 <@Dagmar> Fuck
01:53 <@Dagmar> The intro to this one makes ZERO sense lol
01:53 <@Dagmar> Pterodactyls?  In parks?!
01:54 <@Evilpig> it get stranger
01:54 <@Dagmar> Holy crap the timeline has been royally fucked
01:54 <@Dagmar> I just had to back it up and watch it again
01:54 <@Dagmar> 2011 that's supposed to be
01:55 <@Dagmar> WHA?
01:55 <@Dagmar> rofl
01:55 <@Dagmar> This can't be real
01:55 <@Dagmar> OKay, thank god.  Definitely not real
01:55 <@Evilpig> just watch.  it will make sense shortly
01:56 <@Evilpig> about to start fringe from yesterday now
01:56 <@Dagmar> buh... I thought it was a different night
01:56 <@Dagmar> Nevermind, the PVR got it anyway
01:56 <@Evilpig> I didn't realize it or supernatural had been on til I saw them on the list
01:57 <@Dagmar> Goddamn Comcast
01:57 <@Dagmar> 1.6Gb
01:57 <@Dagmar> Either that recording broke, or Comcast fucked me and sent out the fucking SD signal on the HD channel
01:57 <@Evilpig> i'd say hit my ftp but you want the higher quality ver
01:58 <@Dagmar> The HD-PVR does not make 1.6Gb one hour recordings of 720 anything
01:58 <@Dagmar> ...unless you're Comcast and think no one's going to notice the picture is all blurry
01:58 <@Dagmar> ...at which point it compresses down real nice like that
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02:02 <@Dagmar> This *still* isn't making a lot of sense heh
02:05 <@Evilpig> it makes sense about 20 minutes in.
02:05 <@Evilpig> they basically break it all down and explain it.
02:05 <@Dagmar> I guess I got about 8 minutes to go then
02:05 <@Evilpig> I caught on about 10 min in
02:06 <@Evilpig> is he talking to churchill yet?  walking around?
02:07 <@Dagmar> Yep
02:07 <@Dagmar> He's got the blue head in the Tardis now
02:07 <@Dagmar> Looks like some meta storyline thing
02:08 <@Evilpig> oh you should know what's up then.  when I saw his left arm I figured out what was up
02:08 <@Dagmar> Well, I know the Silence are hanging about in this stopped-time place
02:08 <@Dagmar> ...unless that's just more "random shit" they threw in
02:08 <@Evilpig> it's all tied together
02:08 <@Dagmar> I'm just waiting for the tip off that we're looking at the Flesh Doctor
02:13 <@Dagmar> bhahaha
02:13 <@Dagmar> "Good lord man have you never heard of downloads"
02:13 <@Dagmar> ...from CHURCHILL lol
02:15 <@Dagmar> lol @ the tardis biscuit tin
02:25  * dasunt yawns.
02:25 <@dasunt> Okay, done with Reamde.
02:25 <@dasunt> Weird to read a Stephenson novel without any huge ideas.
02:27 <@Dagmar> Amy++
02:27 <@Dagmar> Heheh
02:33 <@dasunt> So I'm thinking of people who have totally, completely, and utterly autism-spectrum-like behavior, yet manage to make a decent living off of it.
02:33 <@dasunt> Stephenson comes close, but doesn't manage to cross the line.
02:34 <@dasunt> Umberto Eco does.  (I'm sorry, but there's something seriously wrong with how bright he assumes his readers are.  "Here, let me throw in some Latin and Italian!")
02:35 <@Dagmar> hahahaha
02:35 <@dasunt> I'm a little envious, that these people apprantly have something upstairs that is not quite normal, yet they manage to make a living off of it.
02:35 <@Dagmar> I just saw the Mother-In-law thing
02:36 <@Evilpig> hhaa
02:36 <@dasunt> The Dwarf Fortress guy shows AS-like behavior.  Yet manages a living off of it.
02:37 <@Evilpig> that made me just about rofl
02:37 <@dasunt> It's just a special role of the dice to get "crazy in a way that makes money"
02:38 <@Dagmar> "As"?
02:39 <@dasunt> Autism-spectrum.
02:39 <@Dagmar> Hmm...
02:39 <@dasunt> And I'm using that word very broadly, and probably not in a clinical way.
02:39 <@Dagmar> I can kinda see that, but...
02:39 <@dasunt> Maybe "geekily obsesssed" would be better?
02:39 <@Dagmar> Well, here's the thing
02:40 <@Dagmar> Someone once said "There's a fine line between genius and insanity.  I have erased that line."
02:40 <@Dagmar> There was never a line.
02:40 <@Dagmar> The two just fucking overlap.
02:40 <@dasunt> Yes they do.
02:40 <@Dagmar> I've known a number of people in the 200's
02:41 <@dasunt> Although, "eccentric" and "insane" seem to have a line.  That line is how much wealth one has.
02:41 <@Dagmar> They just see everything differently
02:41 <@Dagmar> This makes them almost by definition, clinically insane
02:41 <@Dagmar> Even I have my good days and my bad days
02:42 <@dasunt> Oh, I'll admit to being poorly socialized.
02:42 <@dasunt> But I suspect "don't care" plays a lot into it.
02:42 <@dasunt> If I was living in a society where strange people are accused of witchcraft and burnt at the stake, I probably would care a lot more.  :)
02:43 <@Dagmar> It's not really a matter of socialization
02:43 <@Dagmar> *Most* of the people in the world, I kind of view as basically, half-asleep
02:43 <@Dagmar> 90% of the shit that goes on around them they never even notice
02:44 <@Dagmar> ...and then you have, in comparison, the people whose brains are working overtime.
02:45 <@Dagmar> Think of it like they have a much faster and larger L1 cache
02:45 <@Dagmar> Sort of that very thing, really
02:45 <@Dagmar> The dude isn't autistic so much as he is _focused_
02:46 <@Dagmar> Let's say you have a paperweight on your desk.
02:46 <@Dagmar> For most people, that's literally all they think about it.  It's just a thing they know with the label of "paperweight" attached to it in their heads.
02:48 <@dasunt> Dagmar: Do you work in a job where any capacity could be described as "tech support"?
02:48 <@Dagmar> However, if you really focus on it, you know it's made of green striated marble, cut rectangular and polished smooth, one corner was nipped off it five years ago when you dropped it onto the edge of a drawer in a metal filing cabinet, you know that deep within the earth or at least pretty well underground is where the material comes from and probably came from, and that heavy metal machinery was probably used in cutting it out of there and that machiner
02:48 <@dasunt> I'm just curious, due to the paperweight analogy.
02:49 <@Dagmar> ...nasty black exhaust fumes which mean in some way that this PIECE OF ROCK has a carbon footprint attached to it.
02:49 <@Dagmar> This is a shitload of detail all in your head at once
02:50 <@dasunt> The L1-people actually think about what they see.
02:50 <@Dagmar> ...because being able to rapidly associate all these bits of information together is largely the thing that differentiates very smart people from those who ain't
02:50 <@dasunt> Which makes me realize something I've noticed about geeky people.
02:50 <@dasunt> We care about the reason why.
02:50 <@Dagmar> In every way it affects the way that sort of person learns and accumulates new information
02:50 <@dasunt> We object to the right answer, if the wrong reasoning was obtained to get it.
02:51 <@Dagmar> Someone normal might see two things together which have a common link that's three times removed, and be able to derive new and useful information from that
02:51 <@Dagmar> ...but their minds simply don't carry as much detail all at once in the front so to speak.  They miss many, many things.
02:52 <@dasunt> It's a way of seeing the world.
02:52 <@Dagmar> So when this guy set out to do a sim, I can see why he did shitloads of different types of rock, and all this lurid detail in how everything behaves
02:52 <@dasunt> My father once had a door at his garage (he drives trucks) stop working.
02:52 <@dasunt> So he went up a ladder, took the cover off, and looked at the mechanism.
02:52 <@Dagmar> ...because that's how he _sees_ it
02:52 <@dasunt> And found the belt was slipping.
02:52 <@dasunt> It's that approach -- the realization that a person needs an item to accomplish something.
02:53 <@dasunt> The normal person looks at it, and sees an item, in and of itself.  If it doesn't work, it's broken.  It's a black box, there's nothing to fix.
02:53 <@Dagmar> Ding
02:53 <@dasunt> The L1-people look at it and try to figure it out.
02:54 <@dasunt> Which, in my father's case, is depressing, since he lacks even a college education, yet seems more willing to realize that the world isn't just a bunch of black boxes with labels such as "garage door opener", "automobile", etc.
02:54 <@Dagmar> I'd say the L1 people are more likely to see the complex system *not* do the thing they think they fully understand and this is something they *notice* and since they're _aware_ of more details, they start comparing them
02:54 <@Dagmar> ...because when you're L1 you see everything.
02:54 <@dasunt> I would like to know if there's a way to teach this behavior.
02:55 <@Dagmar> Did you see Limitless?
02:55 <@dasunt> No.
02:55 <@Dagmar> Hah
02:55 <@Dagmar> Redbox has it
02:55 <@Dagmar> I was impressed
02:55 <@dasunt> I'll look.
02:55 <@dasunt> Maybe it's confidence?
02:55 <@Dagmar> Basically, someone invented a drug that turns on "the rest" of people's brains
02:55 <@dasunt> I'll admit, I've screwed up before repairing a system.  But I know enough to realize that most of the time, I'll fix it.
02:56 <@Dagmar> ...which is hilariously pretty much just the way I described a genius-viewpoint taken to an almost absurd level
02:56 <@dasunt> Makes me think of an aspect of Ringworld.
02:56 <@dasunt> The...  Er, was it "protectors"?
02:56 <@Dagmar> Take the drug, and sort of your entire RAM becomes L1 cache
02:56 <@dasunt> You ever read Ringworld, btw?
02:56 <@Dagmar> Yeah
02:56 <@Dagmar> Didn't much care for it
02:57 <@dasunt> The plot is pretty bad.
02:57 <@dasunt> But I'll give Niven credit for the idea that the diseases of age is actually a prelude to a third stage of mankind.
02:57 <@Dagmar> Well, I got the sense of some unresolved sexuality issues slipping through
02:57 <@dasunt> "unresolved sexuality"?  I don't know what you mean.  ;)  Meh, random sex with strange aliens is perfectly normal to fill a book with.
02:58 <@Dagmar> ...and with the plot being kind of lame, it was enough to put me off 'em
02:58 <@Dagmar> Well, random sex sure, but _ritualized_ random sex is another matter
02:58 <@dasunt> That really bothered me as well.
02:58 <@dasunt> Kind of like a horny 15-year-old's fantasy.
02:58 <@Dagmar> Pretty much
02:59 <@dasunt> It's probably the reason I never really got into that series.
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02:59 <@dasunt> It was a few really nifty ideas (breeding for luck, the ringworld, etc), combined with a pulp plot.
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03:00 <@dasunt> Shit, all it needed was a woman with large breasts almost falling out of a bearly-adequate bra, being carried by a bug eyed monster to fit into SF pulp of the 1930s.
03:00 <@Dagmar> hehe
03:00 <@dasunt> Not that I really mind that, but Edgar Rice Burroughs did it the best.  I will not accept immitations.
03:01 <@Dagmar> I kind of get the impression Niven had an ulterior motive there, but Heinlein was better at it
03:01 <@dasunt> I like Heinlein.  Sure, he was a dirty old man obsessed with incest, but at least he realized he was selling pulp, and as long as you ignore the incest-filled latter stuff, it was a yarn worth buying.
03:02 <@Dagmar> Mainly the sex stuff was in there to get him laid
03:02 <@Dagmar> <-- not joking
03:02 <@Dagmar> ...which is pretty much why he was better at it than Niven.
03:02 <@dasunt> Oh, I realize that his main female characters where oddly similar to Virginia Heinlein, his wife.
03:02 <@dasunt> So speaking of sex, a neighbor of mine threw out a few old playboys from the 1970s.
03:02 <@dasunt> I snagged them from the dumpster.
03:03 <@Dagmar> Yeah and before then it was mainly a vehicle for sussing out sci-fi friendly women who were into sport fucking.
03:03 <@dasunt> I think I'm against internet porn now.
03:03 <@dasunt> Not for the nudie pictures (meh, internet has everything), but for the articles.
03:04 <@dasunt> Really, all porn should be next to decent articles.
03:05 <@Dagmar> Well, they spent a lot of money on the articles to stay out of trouble
03:06 <@dasunt> Damn, in the 1970s, did playboy have great interviews.
03:06 <@Dagmar> They've got tons of citable interviews
03:07 <@dasunt> The local library has the Playboy book compilations of interviews.
03:07 <@dasunt> I may borrow a copy, just for a few I'm interested in.
03:08 <@dasunt> http://www.amazon.com/Playboy-Interviews-Larger-Than-Life/dp/1595820450 <- This, for example.
03:08 <@dasunt> Or:  http://www.amazon.com/Playboy-Interviews-Movers-Shakers/dp/1595820442
03:08 <@Dagmar> Yeah
03:08 <@Dagmar> IIRC they have access to all that on their site
03:10 <@Dagmar> I know there were a few times when I was a kid I had some fun trying to get access to some of those
03:11 <@Dagmar> ....like trying to get the interview Asimov did with them when i was 11.  Fun.  heh
03:11 <@Dagmar> "No seriously, I don't care about the nudie pics.  I just want the interview part"
03:12 <@Dagmar> No wait, maybe I was 14.
03:12 <@Dagmar> I just know I was definitely not 18 and too young to even think about fooling anyone lol
03:13 <@Dagmar> After reading as much stuff of his as I did I was burning to see that interview
03:19 <@dasunt> Oooh, he did an interview?
03:20 <@Dagmar> Yes, in 1963.
03:20 <@Dagmar> Before I was born
03:20  * dasunt googles.
03:20 <@dasunt> Damn, can't find it.
03:20 <@Dagmar> Playboy interviewed _shitloads_ of talented people
03:21 <@Dagmar> Craptons of heavyweight authors
03:21 <@dasunt> Yes they did.
03:22 <@dasunt> One of my Playboys has the Alex Haley interview.
03:22 <@dasunt> Which, by, Mr Haley did the first Playboy interview.
03:26 <@dasunt> http://spacecollective.org/ClaireLEvans/4052/Arthur-C-Clarke-in-PLAYBOY
03:27 <@dasunt> http://www.raybradbury.com/articles_playboy.html
03:27 <@dasunt> No Asimov though.
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15:35 < rangerz> yay for browns out losing the titans :(
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16:38 <@sdodson> brimstone: takeover?!
16:38 <@brimstone> yes
16:47 <@sdodson> brimstone: what happen?
16:47 <@brimstone> whiskey
16:47 <@brimstone> and ware
16:47 <@brimstone> and then he wanted lulz
16:48 <@sdodson> was it fun?
16:50 <@brimstone> maybe for him
16:50 <@sdodson> brimstone: this was your fault?
16:51 <@brimstone> is it ever?
16:52 <@sdodson> brimstone: yes
17:20 < rangerz> http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1066795_breaking-tesla-making-faster-2012-model-s-0-60-in-under-4-5-seconds now thats a sedan, lol
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19:42 < ware> sdodson: yah
19:42 < ware> my bad, pig fixed it
19:44 < ware> been a lil stressed with moving in w/gf so i let loose friday
20:21 <@Dagmar> Oh shit...
20:21 <@Dagmar> Do you think she'll...
20:21 <@Dagmar> ...touch your stuff?
20:47 <@sdodson> ware: sounds srs
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22:15 < sword_> yo sdodson
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23:33 <@dasunt> Soylent Green for our times:  http://tinyurl.com/3mpe7u2
23:50 < rangerz> so has anyone else ran into 10bit video instead of 8bit?
23:50 < rangerz> (i honestly didn't realize most h264/xvid, etc stuff was only 8bit)
23:54 <@Evilpig> can't say I have
23:54 <@Evilpig> Dagmar has been messing with alot of different setups with myth.  perhaps he has though
23:55 <@dasunt> 10bit?
23:55  * dasunt plays the "I'm an idiot card" - why would any video be 10 bit?
23:58 <@Dagmar> because the sensor elements are getting better
23:59 <@dasunt> Wouldn't just going to 16 bit be easier to process?
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