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00:24 <@dasunt> O
00:25 <@dasunt> Having lived in the more northern stretches of Minnesota, and in the "south" of Tennessee, I'm beginning to realize how cultural differences can be deadly.
00:57 < RangerZ> dasunt:  agreed
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01:37 < ragechin> dasunt: do tell
01:37 < ragechin> I ask because I moved from mid-michigan to San Antonio back in May..
02:12 < CNwaV> Evilpig!
02:13 < CNwaV> Whole pig roast! Awesome
03:06 <@Evilpig> CNwaV: damn straight
03:06 <@Evilpig> I've been wanting to tell people about that for months
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08:59 < Evilpig_> I should have done some photoshop stuff last night instead of playing wow
09:04 <@ware> Evilpig_: noob put in his 2weeks
09:04 <@ware> got a few seats available here!
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09:29 < Evilpig_> tempting
09:29 < Evilpig_> it really is
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09:30 <@Evilpig> gotta talk to someone on monday about doing a cisco talk .  well more confirming it
10:03 <@ware> welp your chances of hire are greater now, we have plenty of work to go round and just signed 2 new +$10k/mo clients
10:05 <@ware> "Cannot log on through cervix. Please call my cell"
10:05 <@ware> ROFL
10:05 <@ware> Citrix* maybe!?
10:09 <@Dagmar> I think that's a "UR DOIN IT RONG" response
10:10 < todd> We apologize, but the IT department is not equipped to handle cervix related issues at this time. Please call your nearest physician.
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11:02 < ragechin> heh
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13:15 <@Evilpig> I think that is the place for one of those "i'm not a doctor, but i'll take a look anyway" responses
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15:01 < RangerZ> nah... "I Have a degree in computer science, but i did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night"
15:21 < ragechin> lol
15:25 < RangerZ> hehe... i would have liked to see the YSU football team's expression when the 49'ers came onto the field yesterday (they practice there when they have east coast games)
15:25 < RangerZ> apparently the team was practicing and the coaches decided to not tell them they were coming, lol
15:26 < RangerZ> (it will make more sense once you know the 49'ers owners are from youngstown), lol
15:31 <@Mirage> anyone looked at the Ig Nobel Prize winners for this year?
15:32 <@Mirage> "PEACE PRIZE: Arturas Zuokas, the mayor of Vilnius, LITHUANIA, for demonstrating that the problem of illegally parked luxury cars can be solved by running them over with an armored tank."
15:32 <@Mirage> lolz
15:36 < RangerZ> nice
15:41 < ragechin> lol
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17:44 < rnd> ehlo all
17:54 < sync350> hello
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20:53 < RangerZ> ugh.... my poor Ohio...
20:53 < RangerZ> you are now allowed to carry your concealed (if you have a CCW) handgun into a bar
20:53 < RangerZ> ASLONG as you don't drink...
20:54 < RangerZ> it makes sense... but  i'm afraid most people won't follow the law and will start to drink... but who knows, hopefully I'm wrong
21:55 <@Dagmar> Well, it's just an extra penalty if you get stupid about it
22:01 < CNwaV> Yeah... Gonna be alot of dead drunk people...
22:06 <@Bahhumbug> I doubt that there be any meangingful increase in shootings as a result of this.
22:12 < CNwaV> Right.... I love guns. I belive that we should have a right to own them and use them...
22:13 < CNwaV> But ETOH + firearms = bad things
22:13 < RangerZ> ohh i own a gun to, and all that, but i still forsee stupid deaths
22:13 < RangerZ> foresee*
22:14 < RangerZ> and if the drunk would only shoot themselves then i'd have no problem what so ever, lol
22:16 < CNwaV> Yeah people do stupid shit when they are drunk...
22:16 <@Bahhumbug> the thing is, though, that people that are apt to be morons and shoot unprovoked would have taken a gun into the bar with or without the legal right to do so.
22:16 < CNwaV> Case and point, I beat someone on main street last weekend....
22:17 <@Bahhumbug> does the Ohio ruling give bar owners the right to bar firearms if they choose?
22:17 < RangerZ> meat? or did you give them a good ass beating?
22:17 < CNwaV> It all started over an insult involving dr. charles townes
22:18 < RangerZ> Bahhumbug: as far as i know, no, any place can bar CCW if they want, and if you don't then you can't say shit if someone comes in with it
22:18 < RangerZ> but that was before this bill went through
22:18 < RangerZ> and we have a repub gov. and repub super-super majority in the state house
22:19 < RangerZ> so they COULD have lifted that part of the law too... but i didn't hear anything about that , and i would wager that would make a larger stink
22:19 < RangerZ> but it could be that no one has 'caught' that part of the bill yet, hard to tell
22:19  * Bahhumbug nods
22:20 < CNwaV> Why dont we start letting people carry firearms into courtrooms as long as they arent on trial for a violent crime...
22:20 < CNwaV> There are certain places where firearms are a bad idea....
22:20 < RangerZ> yeah....
22:21 < RangerZ> places where people's moods can (and often do) swing violently(purposeful use of that term) and quickly... court rooms, bars where an asshole is hitting on your girl, etc
22:22 < CNwaV> ...offices for marriage counselors...
22:22 < RangerZ> i'm just waiting for the one time when someone who is legally in there with CCW, fires a single shot off into the 'air' and it ricochets (or hits someone living above the bar)
22:22 < RangerZ> ....Vanderbilt network operations center(s)....
22:23 < CNwaV> That kills my dream of living above a bar in ohio...
22:23 < CNwaV> ...the dmv.
22:23 < RangerZ> i dunno, i could see this provision being repealed
22:23 <@Dagmar> Nah, the NOC is safe
22:24 < RangerZ> Ohio is going to swing violently towards the Democrats next few years
22:24 < CNwaV> ...meth labs.
22:24 <@Dagmar> Regardless of what management has said, at the first sign of some shit, NOC technicians will call the police...
22:24 <@Dagmar> ...from the rear of the data center.
22:24 < RangerZ> and whats funny is that Ohio's Democrats have better NRA ratings than the Republicans, atleast the last 4 or so Gov's
22:25 < RangerZ> but kasich has gone too far against public opinion in attacking the fire, police, etc along with all the other 'evil' unions of state employees
22:27 < RangerZ> the only issue is the republicans stealing the election again (and that is not a joke, or wild accusation, there are people in jail in cleveland for it from 2004) with the use of the CRAPTASTIC e-voting machines
22:27 <@Dagmar> REALLY?
22:27 < RangerZ> yeah
22:27 <@Dagmar> Tell me more about this "people in jail" shit
22:27 <@Dagmar> It is relevant to my interests
22:27 < RangerZ> they didn't "PROVE" they stole the election
22:27 < RangerZ> but they did break other rules
22:27 < RangerZ> that they got snared on
22:28 < RangerZ> basically when you sign up to be an election's official(i know from past exp) you basically agree to follow a higher standard of actions
22:28 < RangerZ> and they violated almost every single one of those
22:28 < RangerZ> but there was not proof that any 'tampering' occured
22:29 <@Dagmar> I would still like to see someone shot for it.
22:29 <@Dagmar> Probably the most sensible thing hackers could work on for the next 3-4 years would be an open-source voting platform
22:29 < RangerZ> but over 60% of cleveland's blackest neighborhoods voted for the most conservative judge in like 20 years to be up for election (and the judge was from cinci)
22:30 < RangerZ> and other statistical things like that popped up and were basically impossible
22:30 < RangerZ> dagmar, it isn't possible
22:30 < RangerZ> i've looked into it, and there is a flaw in what Joe Public thinks about our elections and how they work
22:30 < RangerZ> your vote can (well could with paper ballots) be looked at and know who it was that voted that way
22:31 < CNwaV> Yeah with the stigma associated with the word hacker... They would never accept a voting platform designed by self proclaimed havkers
22:31 <@Dagmar> They might if it was up on GoogleCode
22:31 < RangerZ> b/c your paper ballot has a serial number on it, AS IT SHOULD... but the only people able to use the book with your name and the serial numbers was to have a court order
22:32 <@Dagmar> The alternative it to continue to let Diebold sell elections.
22:32 <@Dagmar> s/it/is/
22:32 < RangerZ> you can NOT guarantee Information Assurance and Anonymity, they are conflicting goals
22:32 < CNwaV> We should let siemens do it....
22:32 < RangerZ> as computer people we should know the value of analog backups... lol
22:33 < RangerZ> paper ballots are still the most secure, etc way IMHO
22:33 <@Dagmar> Yeah and they still scan those into equipment made by Diebold
22:33 < RangerZ> well thats FINE
22:33 < RangerZ> b/c you can then do hand re0countts
22:34 <@Dagmar> Except they don't.
22:34 <@Dagmar> Kerry pussied out
22:34 < RangerZ> nah, he knew what he would find
22:34 < RangerZ> ohio used e-voting
22:34 < CNwaV> They had a voting machine hacking thing going on at defcon... I didnt check it out, but it sounded interesting..
22:34 < RangerZ> no hand counts available
22:34 < RangerZ> CNwaV: it's fucked, they all suck ass
22:35 < RangerZ> http://xkcd.com/463/
22:35 < RangerZ> oblig...
22:35 <@Dagmar> Seems like everyone's terrified they might somehow "erode voter confidence"
22:35 < CNwaV> Yeah, I was too busy nuring a series of insane hangovers at defcon to check alot of the stuff out..
22:35 <@Dagmar> Voter confidence can't really get much fucking lower than "I don't trust you fuckers at all"
22:36 < CNwaV> It can... Just wait..
22:36 < CNwaV> Nuring =nursing
22:36 <@Dagmar> Fuck it.  I'd rather have rigging exposed and some bitches executed at dawn for treason, and give everyone a damn good reason to demand things be handled properly than to continue letting people buy electrions.
22:36 <@Bahhumbug> +10000000000000000000000000
22:36 < CNwaV> Yeah...
22:37 <@Dagmar> This current state of denial about it is far more unhealthy
22:37 < CNwaV> It doesnt matter anyways, our votes are being paid for by corps and special interest groups anyways...
22:38 < CNwaV> The problem with giving everyone the right to vote... You are allowing everyone to vote...
22:39 <@Dagmar> Either we can collectively make the right decisions, or we deserve what we collectively get.
22:39 < CNwaV> People are stupid and gullible.... And we keep cutting funding for education, so they are just getting dumber...
22:39 <@Dagmar> No one deserved Bush
22:39 < RangerZ> the problem with what you are afraid of is the fact that our public education system has gone to shit
22:39 <@Dagmar> It keeps getting it's budget cut
22:40 <@Dagmar> You could cut a small piece off military spending and double education funding.
22:40 <@Bahhumbug> TPTB _wabt_ a stupid electorate.
22:40 <@Dagmar> It probably still wouldn't be enough, but it's more than the fuck-all we're doing now
22:40 <@Bahhumbug> want, even
22:40 < CNwaV> There are better things to cut...
22:40 <@Dagmar> The only thing that'll *maybe* change it is if this place just comes down around our ears as a result.
22:41 <@Dagmar> ...with, which the way the finance industry is handling things, is going to be in _our lifetime_
22:41 <@Dagmar> If not in the next 5-10 goddamn years
22:41 < CNwaV> But I guess that I am a bit biased about military spending...
22:41 <@Dagmar> It's the _huge_ one.
22:41 <@Bahhumbug> defense spending isn't going to change.
22:41 <@Dagmar> If we can cut education by 10% in an eyeblink, I'm pretty sure we can start spending a little less on killing people.
22:42 < CNwaV> I guess I liked having working equipment when I was in afghanistan :)
22:42 <@Bahhumbug> too many palms being greased across all sectors of industry and politics.
22:42 <@Dagmar> Perhaps _de-privatize_ prisons, since that gives CCA reason to lobby for more laws and more jail cells to hold criminals they make a profit from.
22:42 < CNwaV> Cut the tax breaks...
22:42 < CNwaV> Tax based on ability to pay...
22:43 <@Bahhumbug> CNwaV: you can give all fighting forces working equipment while still not shitting billions on crap like the Raptor.
22:43 <@Dagmar> The fucking bombs we have right now work prety damn well
22:43 < RangerZ> my favorite(and saddest) poll i've heard, was when people were asked, most people thought NASA got between 10% and 25% of our federal budget
22:43 <@Bahhumbug> And yeah, I'm all for cutting the tax breaks.
22:44 < RangerZ> not the 0.5% it gets
22:44 <@Dagmar> Freaking Warren Buffet is for cutting tax breaks.
22:44 <@Bahhumbug> People are retards.
22:44 <@Bahhumbug> I like Buffet :)
22:44 <@Bahhumbug> Ever heard him speak?
22:44 <@Dagmar> Yep.
22:44 <@Dagmar> He doesn't fuck around.
22:44 < CNwaV> The raptor was an r and d step... Uavs same my life and the lives of my friends many times...
22:44 <@Bahhumbug> The guy may be stupidly rich, but he's down to earth.
22:44 <@Dagmar> I get a definite sense there's a reason he's richer than god when he talks.
22:44 <@Bahhumbug> yep
22:44 < CNwaV> Same = saved
22:45 < CNwaV> And predator strikes really cut down on the amount of cross border missions that we had to do...
22:46 <@Dagmar> You know what would cut down on them even more?
22:46 <@Dagmar> Letting Afghanistan, Iraq, and all those other places blow themselves to hell.
22:46 < RangerZ> stupid rich != not down to earth, unfortunately it often does, but i know a few good examples from Ytown
22:46 < CNwaV> Yeah.. If pakistan stopped actively supporting the acm there...
22:46 < RangerZ> Ytown = one of the rustbelt capitol
22:46 <@Bahhumbug> CNwaV: I have the utmost respect for you and anyone else that wears the uniform and if I ever meet you in real life I will be the first to shake your hand and say "Thank You", but I disagree with you about the Raptor.  It's just a huge money sink and has been for far too many years.
22:47 < CNwaV> We used to sit and watch the paki army let people cross the border to attack us...
22:47 < CNwaV> We were even attacked by the paki army several times...
22:47 < RangerZ> the problem is we don't have nuclear weapon inhibitors
22:47 <@Dagmar> No one needs nukes in the first place.
22:47 < RangerZ> if we did, pakistan would be bombed out of existence
22:48 <@Bahhumbug> Too late for that, Dagmar.
22:48 < CNwaV> We got in trouble for planning to shoot down a paki helo that was flying air support for the acm in cross border raids
22:48 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: It *is* too late, but we're not using them for good reason.
22:48 < RangerZ> actually there is a convincing argument that now that the US and Russia(USSR) have so many nukes that it isn't worth it for other countries to even start their own programs
22:49 <@Dagmar> If anything, just having to keep the damn things under wraps is enough of a burden all by itself.
22:49 < RangerZ> problem with that is that the US and Russia are both drastically decreasing the number of nukes they have, which might in a weird sick perverted way lead to more countries having nukes
22:49 <@Bahhumbug> The cost to secure warheads and facilities is staggering.
22:50 <@Dagmar> If one of those middle-eastern countries nuked the other, attitudes about them would change.
22:50 < CNwaV> Raptor was a dumb idea... I can see why they thought they needed to dev it... But it was a stupid concept
22:50 <@Dagmar> People would see first-hand just how fucked up that is.
22:50 < RangerZ> within the last year the US covert ops has secured TONS of nuclear material in chile and khazikstan(sp?) in operations that seem like they should have been out of a movie
22:51 < CNwaV> I once had to spend a week searching on foot for a raven that get lost by some drunk airforce dicks...
22:51 <@Bahhumbug> heh
22:51 <@Bahhumbug> Sorry, but that amused me.
22:51 < CNwaV> Ended up getting shot at and half of us ended up with hpothermia...
22:51 <@Bahhumbug> Even though it was unlikely to have been funny for you.
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22:53 < CNwaV> Was coming back from a week long stint doing dismounted patrols on the border... When we had to go back out...
22:54 < CNwaV> We were back in the wire about ten minutes before we had to go back out... Told to drop our extra cold weather gear so that we could move quickly...
22:55 < CNwaV> The dipshit air force guys didnt tape ir chem lights or strobes to the wings like they were supposed to...
22:57 < CNwaV> The damn thing ended up in a bazzar in pakistan... Was recovered by the secret squirrels along with some of our machine guns that we lost when one of our ops got ovverun earlier that month...
23:00 < CNwaV> Yeah.. The air force and the national guard were almost as dangerous as the acm out there..
23:00 < RangerZ> don't be dogging the www.acm.org
23:00 < RangerZ> lol
23:01 < CNwaV> Hehe... Acm = anti coalition militia
23:01 < CNwaV> Bad guys...
23:01 < RangerZ> i know
23:01 < CNwaV> Ah, ok
23:02 < CNwaV> Sad thing is that most of the people that attacked us were only doing it for the money...
23:03 < CNwaV> Poorly outfitted... No nvgs, no night optics... Usually attacked at night... Magazines loaded with tracers... It was like shooting fish in a barrel
23:04 < RangerZ> how else are the drug lords going to keep power?
23:04 < RangerZ> i mean having the president's brother be one....
23:05 < CNwaV> Yeah, the corruption over there is insane...
23:05 < RangerZ> if we had crop dusted that damn country and killed all the poppy seeds, none of this BS would have had to happen
23:05 < RangerZ> but NO.... they won't allow that
23:05 < CNwaV> We used to carry around insane amounts of cash for bribes....
23:06 < CNwaV> You cant even run a medical clinic without bribing people...
23:06 < RangerZ> yeah, its stupid
23:06 < RangerZ> greece is the same way
23:06 < RangerZ> but there it EVERYTHING, there are 'known' amounts for everything
23:06 < RangerZ> its just a grey-economy
23:07 < RangerZ> an entire economy non-taxed(which is the only reason they are having the 'debt' issues they are facing)
23:08 < CNwaV> I used to be a dick about it when we had to negotiate bribes for clinics...
23:08 < RangerZ> http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,709703,00.html
23:08 < RangerZ> "these tactics have revealed that the suburbs didn't have 324 swimming pools, as was reported, but rather 16,974."
23:08 < RangerZ> b/c having a pool had a property tax applied to it
23:13 < CNwaV> Yeah... Im a bit worried about the financial situation in europe... Here too... We just need a good old fashioned world war... That will spur industrial growth...
23:13 < RangerZ> we need to just go back to the tax rates in the 90s
23:13 < RangerZ> across the board
23:14 < RangerZ> losing 2% more myself would suck, but that would solve the issues
23:14 < CNwaV> Maybe its time for germany to give world domination another wack...
23:15 < RangerZ> but that 2% decrease for us poor goes away in dec anyways
23:15 < RangerZ> and the republicans won't pass ANYTHING the president wants
23:15 < CNwaV> I dont care if they raise my tax rate... But we do need to tax the insanely rich like we used to... But they own the politicans... Fuck.
23:16 < RangerZ> pretty much
23:16 < CNwaV> I love this country... But I am sickened by so much shit we do these days...
23:16 < RangerZ> and now corporations are 'people'
23:16 < RangerZ> except in Pittsburg
23:17 < RangerZ> Pittsburg has a city ordinance giving Human 'people' and 'nature as a whole' personhood of a higher standing than that of corporations
23:17 < RangerZ> which i think is a very interesting idea
23:19 <@Dagmar> Yeah because they were getting f**ked by corporate personhood
23:19 < CNwaV> You know what would be interesting? For my 401k to stop tanking....
23:19 <@Dagmar> Why should it?
23:19 <@Dagmar> No one involved in the management of it loses a single penny.
23:20 <@Dagmar> All they have to do is not be the shittiest analyst there, and they keep their jobs.
23:20 < RangerZ> actually, i've been having a long thought about 'why' 401ks are 'important;
23:20 < RangerZ> and i'm actually glad i don't have one now
23:21 <@Dagmar> They're important because they virtually guarantee that frat boys have money to gamble with.
23:21 < CNwaV> Well I could change my investments up a bit to stop the hemmoraging...
23:21 < RangerZ> my bed, my computer, they don't decrease in usefulness like stocks do
23:21 < CNwaV> But either way, I am still making money, my work matches...
23:21 < RangerZ> (been thinking too much about future tech, society, etc)
23:21 < RangerZ> but man... slavery coming back is going to suck
23:22 < RangerZ> (will happen when large enough private ships are buildable and profitable)
23:22 < RangerZ> re-emergence of 'real' piracy (and not just somalis taking some here and there)
23:23 <@Dagmar> Slavery is already back.
23:23 < RangerZ> hey...leave us grad students out of this
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23:23 < RangerZ> lol
23:23 <@Dagmar> Hell I'm not talking about grad students
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23:24 < CNwaV> Grr...
23:24 <@Dagmar> Now you simply finance your own chains and cages is all
23:25 < CNwaV> My weekly involuntary reboot... Thank you android...
23:25 <@Dagmar> If you fuck up and shuck them by failing to keep up the payments, you get a "ding" on your credit rating, which means you're pretty much disqualified for a lot of jobs.
23:25 <@Dagmar> You can no longer have a bank account in a lot of places.
23:26 <@Dagmar> ...and you're basically f**cked for seven years
23:26 < CNwaV> I told my work that my credit was screwed from the beginning thanks to the va...
23:26 <@Dagmar> CNwaV: The new app store looks nifty
23:26 <@Dagmar> Also the gmail app got some nice upgrades
23:26 < CNwaV> So they ignored my credit stuff...
23:27 <@Dagmar> Cool
23:27 < RangerZ> i'm debating in looking how to root my next6
23:27 < CNwaV> Im not a fan of the new market... Liked it better when it was simpler...
23:27 <@Dagmar> I've known of places that would turn people down for _not_ having a credit rating.
23:27 < RangerZ> never really looked into how build my own roots, etc
23:27 <@Dagmar> ...although IMHO that just shows they have enough sense to not get mixed up in that shit in the first place.
23:27 < CNwaV> You should see some of the new mobile devices that are coming out...
23:28 < CNwaV> They are awesome... Some that put the bionic to shame...
23:28 < RangerZ> my girl worked for a guy who doesn't exist on the grid, only cash prepaid cell phone, and a single PO box, the guy makes a living doing renaissance fairs, selling jewelry
23:29 < CNwaV> Haha.. Im sure that alot of agencies were trying to track him too...
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23:29 <@Dagmar> Good for him
23:29 < RangerZ> well 300$ a day, selling jewelry +5% commission after 600$ in sales, its not a bad job for her
23:30 < RangerZ> lol
23:31 < CNwaV> So I heard you guys are giving free admission to people with phreaknic 3 badges....
23:32 <@Dagmar> You heard partly right.
23:32 < CNwaV> Do tell.
23:32 <@Dagmar> You get free diesel ablutions.
23:33 <@Dagmar> Whenever you're ready to be doused in fuel and set ablaze, just let someone know.
23:33 < CNwaV> That is a great deal... You know... With the cost of fuel these days....
23:34 <@Dagmar> Exactly.
23:34 < CNwaV> I wish I knew where the hell my shirt was.... That shirt was awesome... Awesome cyborg chick with a can of guiness in her head...
23:35 <@ware> dagmar where u at
23:35 < CNwaV> I think one of my exs took it
23:35 <@ware> we drinkin whisey
23:35 <@ware> whiskey
23:35 <@Dagmar> I'm at home.
23:35 < CNwaV> Im doing the navy rum dance tonight...
23:35 <@ware> bout to deop chan and takeover fnode services
23:35 <@ware> come drink whiskey
23:35 <@ware> and we can race scooters
23:36 <@Dagmar> It's 53f outside and my warm clothes are not suitable for wearing
23:36 < CNwaV> Did they renovate all the rooms at the hotel?
23:36 <@Dagmar> Plus I'm still not so sure if my knees should be mistreated like that just yet
23:36 < CNwaV> My room was horrible last year...
23:36 <@ware> pffftt
23:36 <@Dagmar> SOMETHING went desperately awry the night of the TMBG show
23:36 < CNwaV> Hehe... Tmbg....
23:37 <@ware> whsikwat
23:37 <@Dagmar> My knees swelled up like a 90-year old arthritic and I wound up working from home Thursday so I could sit on the couch with my legs wrapped in a heating blanket
23:37 <@Dagmar> ...because Wednesday they hurt so much all damn day long it was making my way more homocidal than usual
23:37 <@Dagmar> That's nowhere near like anything that's happened before.
23:38 <@Dagmar> I'm pretty sure it was a combination of riding around in thin slacks, getting sprayed with water at one point (busted water main yay) and then basically being stupid and ignoring the warning signs
23:38 < CNwaV> Nothing that a couple of shots of cortisone cant fix
23:38 <@Dagmar> PLus I'm being a bit stupid in how I ride the thing now
23:38 <@Dagmar> That shit burns
23:39 <@ware> well we at hc and sky is out of town
23:39 <@ware> you should come hang
23:39 <@Dagmar> I've taken to more and more aggressive riding styles, meaning I ride the thing like it's a dirt bike
23:39 <@ware> <- still not a member
23:39 <@Dagmar> Mainly because now that i've gotten used to the mass of it, I damn well can steer with my feet
23:40 <@ware> hahaha
23:40 <@Dagmar> So that's cold, excess vibration, and a bent-knee posture almost guaranteed to shred cartiledge
23:40 <@Dagmar> You know until about three weeks ago I would have bet you couldn't powerslide a scooter
23:40 <@Dagmar> ...an then some bitch lunged out in front of me
23:40 < CNwaV> Might as well steer by hitting your knees with a hammer...
23:41 <@Dagmar> Hence why I'm not as worried as I should be about the deathgrip i have on the thing
23:41 <@ware> hahha
23:41 <@ware> awesome
23:41 <@ware> can you wheelie?
23:41 <@Dagmar> I'm pretty sure that's ENTIRELY unsafe on a scooter
23:41 <@Dagmar> Seeing as how the front end weighs fucking nothing and the engine is practically directly above hte rear axle
23:42 <@ware> i saw a japanese guy do it on youtube
23:42 <@Dagmar> It would be way more likely to just flip right over
23:42 <@Dagmar> Yeah and I've seen an indian guy doing about 50mph with his feet on the handlebars while texting
23:42 <@Dagmar> ...but you don't see me trying tha shit
23:43 <@Dagmar> ...because I like my skin where it is.  All over me.
23:43 < CNwaV> Wuss.. Skin grafts are a character building experience...
23:43 <@Dagmar> Skin grafts I'm reasonably cool with.
23:43 <@Dagmar> It's what comes before that I have a problem with.
23:43 <@Dagmar> I have bounced off the asphalt twice now, and once was enough
23:44 <@Dagmar> Granted, one of those times I was doing like 10mph and the other, maybe 5.
23:44 < CNwaV> Yeah.. The debriding of a wound is fun...
23:44 <@Dagmar> ...although the second time I didnt' even get a scratch, PAVEMENT IS STILL HARD
23:45 <@Dagmar> It was more a matter of "fell over into a ditch" than anything else
23:45 <@Dagmar> I was pulling over because it had started raining, and I picked the spot with loosely-packed gravel.
23:45 <@Dagmar> Joy
23:45 < CNwaV> Especially when it is so large that you cant use a local due to the risk of arrythmia...
23:46 < CNwaV> Nothing that a disassociative hypnotic cant fix... Thank you midazolam...
23:47 <@Dagmar> I suspect it's part of the reaosn my brain came up with the *stellar* idea of turning the bike sideways that last time
23:47 <@Dagmar> I roared like a crazy gorilla
23:47 <@Dagmar> VERY deterined to not hit the goddamn pavement again
23:47 <@Dagmar> hehe
23:47 < CNwaV> Inertia is fun
23:48 <@Dagmar> If I were still in "perpetual raver mode" I probably would have just opted to slam into the bitch and roll over her hood
23:49 <@Dagmar> ...cuz this bitch looked right at me.
23:51 <@Dagmar> well, maybe ther'es not so much "slamming" as "kah-thonking" that a 250lb mainly plastic bike will do, but you get the idea
23:51 <@Dagmar> All I care is that neither I nor the bike hit the ground
23:51 <@Dagmar> That's an improvement
23:52 < CNwaV> Is kah-thonking a physics term?
23:52 <@Dagmar> It goes without saying that I used a bit of verbiage her kids were probably asking about later
23:53 <@Dagmar> CNwaV: yeah it's the sound a front bike fender makes when it smacks a plastic quarterpanel or door
23:53 < CNwaV> Im sure a shitty driver like that has had plenty of people scream obscinities at her before
23:53 <@Dagmar> Probably not the ones I used
23:53 <@Dagmar> ...definitely not at that volume.
23:53 <@Dagmar> I rang my own damn ears
23:54 <@Dagmar> Drill-sergeant bellowing and full face helmets do not mix well.
23:54 < CNwaV> Did you make any new ones up in the heat of the moment?
23:54 <@Dagmar> Yes.
23:54 <@Dagmar> lol
23:54 <@Dagmar> I dont' know what "donkey-frusting" means, but I'm sure the intent was clear enough
23:55 < CNwaV> Good.. At least something good came out of it.
23:55 <@Dagmar> The word "WHORE" came through loud and clear tho
23:55 < CNwaV> That sounds illegal
23:56 <@Dagmar> Even with the high dosage of caffiene keeping my adrenal gland half-pooped I had enough to lift and shake the front of the bike
23:56 < CNwaV> In other news today, a man was sentenced to fourty years in jail stemming from a donkey-frusting conviction
23:56 <@Dagmar> Fifteen years ago I would have thrown the bike at her
23:57 <@Dagmar> That would have been fuuuun to explain to the cops.  Heh
23:58 <@Dagmar> "This can't be right.  The impact on the side of the vehicle appears to have been at a downward angle from roughly chest height and I don't see any ramps around here."
23:58 <@Bahhumbug> How does one explain that?
23:58 < CNwaV> Yeah, cops dont take kindly to unfounded accusations of donkey-frusting...
23:58 <@Dagmar> I think mainly I'd just hope they'd come with something more reasonable than "needs anger management classes"
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23:59 <@Dagmar> She'd zerged up to the intersection, looked _straight at me_ as I let off the accellerator and switched fingers to the brakes just in case, looked the other way... and then _went ahead and pulled out_
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