--- Log opened Sat Aug 27 00:00:12 2011 01:03 -!- cnwav [~yaaic@237.sub-174-254-145.myvzw.com] has joined #se2600 01:03 < cnwav> anyone home? 01:14 <@Evilpig> nobody but us chickens 01:20 < cnwav> trying to figure out if i can make it this year..... 01:21 < cnwav> let's see.... i made it to phreaknic 3 and 14..... maybe i should wait for phreaknic 25 to make it back..... 01:21 <@Evilpig> this year will be a good one 01:21 < cnwav> grrr... cant view my vacation schedule from home... 01:21 <@Evilpig> notlarry and I are still working on some cool stuff. someone approached us about running a tamper contest. 01:22 < cnwav> i hope it will be... maybe this year they wont freak out when i fuck with the elevators.... 01:22 <@Evilpig> notlarry is supposed to be getting more details 01:22 < cnwav> tamper contest would be cool. 01:22 < cnwav> i wish there was a hardware area... 01:22 <@Evilpig> poor hotel. its elevators have been problematic in the past. I forget who it was that got trapped in one two years ago, but it made me laugh 01:22 <@Evilpig> what kind of hardware area? 01:23 < cnwav> yeah... people flipped out when i rewired the elevator buttons last year. 01:23 <@Evilpig> we have hte 9th floor open that is pretty free form. we've had 3d printers, people installing linux/bsd/etc, dj's 01:24 < cnwav> yeah,14 was when i first saw one in person..... 01:24 < cnwav> actually working on one right now... 01:24 < cnwav> harvesting parts from hp 8000 series lasers right now in my garage.... 01:25 < cnwav> while drinking massive amounts of rum of course... 01:25 <@Evilpig> I get arrange for just about anything, within reason, if people request it. actually if we get the details together on this other project we'll need an area with some irons, etc for wiring some stuff 01:26 < cnwav> is dualcore(int0x80) gonna be there this year? i assume skydog is gonna bring him. 01:26 <@Evilpig> he will be at skydog's event 01:26 <@Evilpig> he declined our invite 01:26 < cnwav> haha, omg? he refused to perform at phreaknic? 01:27 <@Evilpig> not exactly 01:27 <@Evilpig> there is internal strife revolving around, *gasp*, skydog 01:27 < cnwav> i know him and skydog were tight... 01:27 < cnwav> but it didnt realize they were that tight 01:28 < cnwav> hehe skydog had a skydogcon badge on at defcon this year 01:28 <@Evilpig> not sure they are that tight. but skydog has his issues. 01:29 < cnwav> i like skydog... but i dont think he likes me... it goes back about 5 years 01:29 <@Evilpig> yeah I heard he, robin and someninja had them but the hackerpimps party badges were MIA 01:29 <@Evilpig> seemed his priorities for defcon got a little confused, again 01:29 <@Evilpig> lol 01:29 < cnwav> yeah, hackerpimps just had wrist bands 01:29 <@Evilpig> partycity wristbands 01:29 <@Evilpig> not the nice pre-printed ones 01:29 < cnwav> hehe the party was funny, a stripper had a breakdown. 01:30 <@Evilpig> hadn't heard that. what was her issue? heard someone was trying to film again and got the boot 01:30 < cnwav> yeah, they handed a bunch to hand out... i was thinking that some more thought should have gone into it... 01:30 < cnwav> at least have some actual vip badges... 01:31 <@Evilpig> they had some pre-printed ones but... someone forgot to deal with them. we'll not name nameson that. lol 01:31 < cnwav> dude, she lost her shit, started crying and called her mother... 01:31 <@Evilpig> but that person might be throwing a con in his honor or in honor of the allman brothers 01:32 <@Evilpig> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duane_Allman 01:32 <@Evilpig> ^-- skydog 01:32 <@Evilpig> the real one... tee hee 01:33 < cnwav> i never knew that. 01:33 <@Evilpig> i've been having alot of fun with it the last few days. 01:33 <@Evilpig> oh hell the last week pretty heavily 01:33 < cnwav> hehe, im sure he loves it 01:34 <@Evilpig> he's not too pleased 01:34 <@Evilpig> I think he threatened me with a lawsuit too, come to think of it 01:34 < cnwav> pfft...you need to be able to take a joke. 01:34 <@Evilpig> he knows we have a good con planned this year and is doing everything he can to undermine it. he thought the threat of a lawsuit would keep me from talking about his shenanigans publically 01:35 <@Evilpig> publicly? hrmm 01:35 <@Evilpig> yeah that secondone 01:35 < cnwav> i'll come if jonnyx promises to bring his chilli 01:36 <@Evilpig> that can probably be arranged. I will see him next weekend. would you come for a whole hog bbq? 01:36 < cnwav> yes! 01:36 <@Evilpig> not saying that will be happening. but the spies in this room can report back to heir furor that i'm working on something 01:37 < cnwav> actually was just reading an article about that on cnn today.... its probably still in the eatocracy section if you wanna read it 01:37 <@Evilpig> oh really now. to the googles.. well to the cnn first 01:38 < cnwav> yeah, i figure they are greping irc logs ;) 01:38 <@Evilpig> http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/08/26/whole-hog-bbq/?hpt=ea_bn3 01:38 <@Evilpig> nah. a few of them idle in here 01:38 -!- Irssi: #se2600: Total of 47 nicks [27 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 20 normal] 01:38 * Evilpig points at ChanServ 01:39 < cnwav> would greping have one or two p's? 01:39 <@Evilpig> that whore right there is everywhere. listens to everything 01:39 <@Evilpig> grep'ing ? not really sure I guess one greping. it's using a command not really an action... where is an english nazi when I need one 01:40 < cnwav> yeah, i dont think skydog likes me cause i was setting up the ctf at a con in atlanta.... got everything set up, but i couldnt find a way to transport a couple racks of servers that i configed. 01:41 < cnwav> not my fault that nobody had a pickup! 01:41 < cnwav> we were in the south! who would have thought that we wouldnt be able to find a pickup 01:41 <@Evilpig> that goes back to that planning thing he isn't fond of 01:42 < cnwav> yeah, i cant believe that much of a rift has formed... 01:42 < cnwav> so bad of a rift... that not going wasnt enough... 01:42 <@Evilpig> I wish it hadn't. really I do. we now have a maker community that is completely disjointed from the rest of the 2600 community and it is primarily over his ego 01:42 < cnwav> hehe, i still have some rip preaknic stickers. 01:43 <@Evilpig> C.P. should have stopped that shit. oh well. it was a clever thing 01:43 < cnwav> i would love to have an organized hardware area there... 01:44 < cnwav> hehe, how about some rip skydogcon stickers? 01:44 <@Evilpig> like taking stuff apart? repairing? what kind of area? 01:44 <@Evilpig> We aren't directly bashing him. We might be distributing Pro Allman Brothers materials though 01:44 < cnwav> im on the mailing list but havent received anything 01:44 < cnwav> making 01:45 < cnwav> hell and disassembling.... hehe thats what im doing right now... 01:45 <@Evilpig> for skydogcon? you won't. that requires planning and communication, etc. then again we havent' had much info about phreaknic out there. just the dates announced, call for speakers and call for volunteers 01:45 < cnwav> trying to get some stepper motors with a finer adjustment.... 2.5 degrees doesnt do it for me... 01:46 <@Evilpig> cnwav: we have some stuff on the table right now i'll see what I can do but no promises. I don't like leaving my tools out for folks to use cause they tend to walk off. but if I can get this one speaker to show I might be able to work a flow table, but that is HIGHLY unlikely. I will try though 01:46 < cnwav> i guess i could just set up a gear reducer.... but that is just a pain to do for 3 axis's 01:46 < cnwav> oh, i was talking about phreaknic... 01:47 <@Evilpig> yeah I am too. I'm still talking to people about speaking in different areas 01:47 < cnwav> i dont figure that a lot will be goingon at sdc other than dualcore 01:47 <@Evilpig> which phreaknic list are you on? the rootlist or the nashville2600 list? 01:48 < cnwav> i was talking about the sdc list... i didnt know pn had lists... 01:48 <@Evilpig> we had some just for phreaknic but I killed them off when I took over the website cause nobody used them 01:48 <@Evilpig> se2600.org/mailman or is it www.se600.org/mailman for the root list 01:49 <@Evilpig> we try to make all announcements there. but I am actively putting notices many other places now too 01:49 < cnwav> yeah... someone absconded with my ironbat defcon while a was going to a small talk on prop dev boards 01:49 < cnwav> iron at, not ironbat 01:49 < cnwav> sorry, typing on my phone isn't easy 01:52 < cnwav> i havent done anything with hardware for a long time.... just getting back into it.... would love to learn some more 01:53 < cnwav> did you goto the hv at defcon? 01:54 < cnwav> i think the botbadges were a cool idea to get people interested in hardware 01:55 < cnwav> polerin... guessing you arent awake? 01:59 < cnwav> oh, wtf... apparently my new screwdrivers came magnetized... grrr 02:07 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:07 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 02:07 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 02:09 <@Evilpig> polerin_ mainly lurks 02:09 <@Evilpig> I did the defcon thing a few years ago and tried to check out as much as possible 02:10 -!- VampirePenguin [~vp@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin] has joined #se2600 02:10 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o VampirePenguin] by ChanServ 02:10 <@Evilpig> wb 02:10 <@VampirePenguin> hey piggie 02:10 <@VampirePenguin> ty 02:10 <@VampirePenguin> ty 02:10 <@VampirePenguin> hows going 02:10 <@VampirePenguin> i had my nights sleep 02:10 <@VampirePenguin> shit 02:11 <@Evilpig> i'm here. still awake. playing a little wow. shirking work 02:11 <@VampirePenguin> the only way 02:11 <@Evilpig> damn straight. thinking about going to get another cup of ice and getting a coke 02:11 <@VampirePenguin> call it regeneration so you can think better time 02:11 <@Evilpig> but first... I kill gehennas 02:11 <@VampirePenguin> my bil loves gaming 02:12 <@VampirePenguin> he does all the fp stuff 02:12 <@VampirePenguin> with this monsters 24" monitor the sites on the rifles are plate size 02:13 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:13 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 02:13 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 02:14 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:16 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 02:16 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 02:16 <@Evilpig> lol 02:17 < cnwav> i picked up moh the other day... that didnt end up well 02:17 < cnwav> hard to play the games i enjoy these days 02:17 <@VampirePenguin> lots of gcc changes this morning 02:18 <@VampirePenguin> good i have been having gcc errs 02:19 < cnwav> so what would it take to setup an official hardware area? 02:20 <@VampirePenguin> i didnt know there was an official hwd area 02:20 < cnwav> if i go i have some prop, arduino, ti omap and dsp stuff for peeps to play with 02:20 <@VampirePenguin> oh this must be for pn 02:21 < cnwav> there isnt... im asking if there could be a semi organized hw area 02:21 < cnwav> yeah, for pn 02:22 < cnwav> ep is busy getting that gold and plat i guess 02:22 <@VampirePenguin> i think sir pig is the big hog in that area 02:22 <@VampirePenguin> i still have to register i think ill have the cash on payday now 02:23 < cnwav> i havemt registered yet... need to make sure that i can get the time off from work... grrrr i hate working for other peeps... 02:24 < cnwav> miss working for myself... that or having a crazy boss... hehe convinced him to take me to pn 3 02:24 <@VampirePenguin> i went last year 02:24 <@VampirePenguin> it was cool 02:24 < cnwav> i havent done much with hw in the past decade... but im getting back into it... and want an area to play in 02:25 < cnwav> yeah, i went last year... but it had been 11 years since the last one i went to... things has changed a lot 02:26 < cnwav> has = had... sorry, typing on a phone 02:27 < cnwav> hehe, pn 3 was the first time i ever vomited from drinking... ah,the memories.... 02:27 <@VampirePenguin> its been almost 30 yrs for me since i did that 02:27 < cnwav> i really enjoyed some of the talks last year... 02:28 <@VampirePenguin> first last 02:28 < cnwav> loved the one about copyright from the sup justice from florida... 02:30 < cnwav> hehe i actually got in trouble at work for wearing my pn shirt at work... 02:30 <@VampirePenguin> i warn people about their proprietary formats 02:30 <@VampirePenguin> soon youre gonna get charged to use, get and produce your work at the rate the patent trolls are moving 02:31 < cnwav> it is getting redonkulus... 02:31 <@VampirePenguin> i know 02:31 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:31 < cnwav> it honestly disgusts me 02:31 <@VampirePenguin> i converted everything to open formats 02:32 < cnwav> and it is getting scary... 02:32 <@VampirePenguin> they can send me their stuff but i immediately transfer it over 02:32 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 02:32 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 02:32 <@VampirePenguin> since adobe is about 1/3-1/2 of the security markets problem 02:32 <@VampirePenguin> i get rid of pdfs and make djvu 02:33 <@VampirePenguin> i only get mp4s 02:33 <@VampirePenguin> or ogg/oggtheora 02:33 <@VampirePenguin> the downside to djvu is it is not searchable or i dont know how to make it so 02:34 < cnwav> im afraid to dev anything and release it... gotta worried about being sued for a patent involving anything these days... 02:34 <@VampirePenguin> so i cant do a slocate blah 02:34 <@VampirePenguin> only if on android 02:34 <@VampirePenguin> linux itself is fine 02:35 <@VampirePenguin> or the bsds, mozilla, apache 02:35 < cnwav> apple was just granted a patent on the process of expelling liquid waste from your body.... at least it seems like that. 02:35 <@VampirePenguin> there are about 40 major companies petitioning the president to stop apple from importing from the eu 02:36 <@VampirePenguin> apple NEVER shares patents 02:36 <@VampirePenguin> kind of like IBM did in the 60/70s 02:36 < cnwav> i wish they would just calla damn truce... 02:36 <@VampirePenguin> and it bit them in the asss 02:36 <@VampirePenguin> rms was right 02:36 < cnwav> these companies are just buying patents to sue each other... 02:37 <@VampirePenguin> dude may be eccentric but he is right 02:37 < cnwav> hehe, http://www.phreaknic.info/pn345/pix99/cnwav/furbyonelsa.JPG 02:37 < cnwav> it's my old furby getting cancer... 02:37 <@Evilpig> yeah I was tabbed out. not paying attention over here. basically i'd have to know what you want for an official hardware area. i'd like to attract the maker's crowd and give them space to tinker but skydummy really started throwing wrenches into what I was working on 02:37 < cnwav> wish i could find that little fucker 02:38 < cnwav> little fucker = my furby, not sd 02:39 < cnwav> is he planning on doing something with hardware? 02:41 <@Bahhumbug> Evilpig: how old is SkyDog? 15? 02:41 <@Evilpig> I'm not entirely sure what he's got going on. 02:41 <@Evilpig> lol 02:42 <@Evilpig> he's offered some folks a way to make money and they need the cash. so I totally understand if that's how that works out. 02:42 <@Evilpig> i'm honestly waiting for speakers to start backing out on me with strange reasons or sudden schedule conflicts, tbh 02:42 -!- VampirePenguin_ [~vp@63.243.151.140] has joined #se2600 02:42 < cnwav> make money? on pn? 02:42 <@Bahhumbug> Simply retarded. 02:43 < cnwav> seriously? that really goes against all that pn stands for... 02:43 <@Evilpig> not at PN. sorry we have no budget. that's part of the non-profit thing. we try not to turn any profit 02:43 -!- VampirePenguin [~vp@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:43 <@Bahhumbug> Chicago went through this type of nonsense many years ago and it took forever and a week to get things somewhat sane again. 02:43 <@Evilpig> PN is about community and will always be about community. 02:43 -!- VampirePenguin_ is now known as VampirePenguin 02:43 -!- VampirePenguin [~vp@63.243.151.140] has quit [Changing host] 02:43 -!- VampirePenguin [~vp@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin] has joined #se2600 02:43 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o VampirePenguin] by ChanServ 02:44 <@VampirePenguin> little burp there 02:44 <@Evilpig> you got comcasted. heh 02:44 < cnwav> the question is if people like ig care about being open or $ 02:45 <@VampirePenguin> more like igo's 02:45 <@Evilpig> that is a big question. people will go where there is content. but not sure where the breakpoint is between content / price / etc 02:45 <@VampirePenguin> tunnel dropped 02:45 <@VampirePenguin> non profit does not mean you cant make money 02:45 <@VampirePenguin> it means the officers dont live hi on the hog 02:46 <@Bahhumbug> My schedule isn't stable enough to permit me to commit to pretty much of anything until a couple days before hand, but I wouldn't go to "SkyDogCon" if for no other reason than it's a stupid name. 02:46 <@VampirePenguin> pardon the pig pun 02:46 <@Bahhumbug> Oh, wait. I think I've mentioned that in the past. 02:46 <@Bahhumbug> Oh well, need a beer. 02:47 < cnwav> so, ep, what do you think of the shack deciding to carry prop and duino stuff? 02:47 <@Evilpig> I realize non-profit can make money. but we arent out to make money. anything that is left over from year to year goes to start the next year's stuff. 02:47 <@VampirePenguin> i need a double whopper with cheese and fries 02:47 <@Evilpig> I think that's awesome. they need to carry more do it yourself electronics stuff again. 02:48 <@VampirePenguin> and a super large coke i major caffeine cravings 02:48 < cnwav> ...it seems like they wont be expanding their disc component selection though... 02:48 <@VampirePenguin> thats one purpose Evilpig but it can also mean that purchases through the yeaar are made to help the org as a whole 02:49 <@VampirePenguin> if there is an opportunity take it type deal 02:49 <@VampirePenguin> cant do it if you dont have a reserve 02:50 <@Evilpig> this is true and that's been done in the past. there are some concerns as to what happened to the small surplus that was int he bank a few years back as well. 02:50 < cnwav> ...yeah right now they onlt carry a couple 555's, op amps, qoa's, transistors and pwr regs... oh and resistors... and thats about it 02:50 <@VampirePenguin> thats why you have pres, vp, sec, sarge at arms.. then a separate advisory committee with no voting power 02:50 <@VampirePenguin> treasurer 02:50 <@Evilpig> I went to the shack about two months ago looking for a signal meter and they just had nothing... 02:51 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:51 < cnwav> to be successful with this they need to be a one stop... no sense in buying with their markup if you still need to order disc components from mouser... 02:51 <@Evilpig> VampirePenguin: we have that in place. I think part of the issues stems from some cash that may or may not have gone missing from the register that never made it to the bank... 02:51 <@VampirePenguin> that advisory comm is the audit arm 02:52 <@VampirePenguin> Evilpig: yep i hear ya 02:52 <@VampirePenguin> happens in a lot of things 02:52 <@VampirePenguin> never give one person all $$ power 02:52 <@VampirePenguin> req 2 sigs 02:53 <@VampirePenguin> any tranactions in minutes incuding dep/with 02:53 < cnwav> hell, the hp tp dev team just got burned... 02:53 <@Evilpig> we have redone how alot of that is being handled. 02:53 <@Evilpig> howso? 02:53 <@Evilpig> I really wanted a touchpad, damnit 02:53 <@Evilpig> fuckin' hp 02:53 < cnwav> the android dev team 02:53 <@VampirePenguin> Evilpig: than see how it works and drive on 02:54 <@VampirePenguin> make adj as necessary 02:54 < cnwav> someone took their funds and used it to buy up tp's ans 02:54 < cnwav> ans = and 02:54 < cnwav> used it to buy tp's and sell them at a profit 02:54 <@Evilpig> check ebay if you want to see people doing that 02:54 <@Evilpig> fuckers 02:55 < cnwav> yeah i know... 02:55 <@Bahhumbug> Evilpig: HP bought back a metric fuckton of inventory and rumor has it they will be offering at their ridiculously low prices direct from them at some point in the near future. 02:55 <@Evilpig> several of them have their bestbuy receipts on there showing they paid $99 and they start that shit at $200 02:55 <@Evilpig> I hope so. I really wanted a touchpad. I like my webos phone. I just couldn't afford $500 02:55 < cnwav> they will be putting a new batch up for sale next week 02:55 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 02:55 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 02:55 < cnwav> according to their twitter... 02:56 <@Evilpig> and I couldn't justify $400 for a tablet even just for email and a little web browsing 02:56 <@VampirePenguin> i want an x102e 02:56 <@VampirePenguin> one for each hand 02:56 <@VampirePenguin> lol 02:56 < cnwav> maybe we could have a hw contest with a tp as a prize.. 02:56 <@VampirePenguin> nothing wrong with that 02:57 <@VampirePenguin> sat afternoon give away 02:57 < cnwav> i dont like webos.... but i hp is shipping me two tp's on the 30th... im giving one to my mother and jeeping one for myself.. 02:58 <@Bahhumbug> damn it - wtf is up with eztv.it? 02:58 <@Bahhumbug> second day in a row it's dead as a door knob. 02:58 < cnwav> funny thing, all my orders from a bunch of vendors got canceled, but the order from hp that i thought didnt go through.... 02:58 < cnwav> well it apparently went through... cause i got a conf a couple of nights ago. 02:58 <@Evilpig> cnwav: if I can get my hands on some stuff we'll have some prizes. we have some contests already planned and some decent prizes 02:59 < cnwav> cool. 02:59 <@VampirePenguin> you could even have a pay one night hotel room thingie 03:00 <@Evilpig> we've discussed that. still working on some other stuff like that 03:00 < cnwav> you guys should have a hw area and hit up rs for some of the new parralax stuff that is coming out, gps modules, xbee, etc... 03:00 * Bahhumbug shudders 03:00 <@Evilpig> notlarry and I have been contacting people for product to give away. 03:00 <@Bahhumbug> I saw "rs" and unfortunately Stallman came to mind. 03:00 < cnwav> i dont want it to be defcon, but it would be cool to have a couple contests 03:00 <@Evilpig> pretty sure we wil get another visit from the redbull girls too 03:01 < cnwav> lets just hope that they dont have to evac the whole hotel this time... 03:02 < cnwav> hehe, NO smoke machines in your room! 03:03 < cnwav> so who wants to give me a metcal station?... still pissed someone took my station 03:03 <@Evilpig> CP won't be there to supply a smoke machine 03:03 < cnwav> hehe, my ghetto ass station 03:04 < cnwav> luckily i still have another variac 03:05 <@Evilpig> hrmmm so I need to watch this BrynaAtHP twitter on monday? 03:05 < cnwav> cp isnt going this year? 03:05 <@Evilpig> cp will be in nashville celebrating the allman brothers 03:05 < cnwav> yes, just a sec, ill give you the sd link 03:06 < cnwav> yeah i know he was running the bar in sd's last year, right? 03:06 <@Evilpig> yeah 03:06 <@Evilpig> There will be booze, don't worry about that. 03:07 < cnwav> hehe, cp can make a mean drink... 03:08 < cnwav> he didnt talk to me at all at dc... not sure if he was avoiding me, or didnt recognize me 03:09 < cnwav> but i didnt go out of my way to talk to him... 03:09 <@Evilpig> I talked to him the last two years but he wouldnt know me 03:09 < cnwav> i said something to him and he was all pissy about it... and i just didnt bother with him the rest of con... 03:09 < cnwav> no time for drama 03:10 < cnwav> hehe... but the funniest part had to do with me pissing off sd... i didnt mean to... it was an accident, i didnt immeadiately recognize him... said something about his sdc badge... 03:11 < cnwav> he had cut his hair, didnt really think about it, untill it was too late. 03:11 < cnwav> http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3220862&p=41815334#post41815334 03:12 < cnwav> follow that thread for the latest on hp touchpads 03:12 <@Evilpig> looking now 03:13 < cnwav> bb may have some in some select stores tomorrow... but after that... hp.com will be the last chance... 03:14 <@Evilpig> i've been trying best buy but they've been a bitch 03:14 < cnwav> untill the furvor dies down and dipshits stop selling for 2-3 times the current retail 03:14 < cnwav> yeah, they have really been dicks about it... 03:15 < cnwav> the f'ed up part is that half of them probably went to employees and ended up on cl or ebay 03:15 < cnwav> you will probably see them going for 120-130 within a few weeks on cl 03:16 <@Bahhumbug> http://www.angryduck.com/pics/we_have_a_winner.htm 03:16 <@Evilpig> why hello my pretty 03:16 <@Evilpig> the inventory checker claims that hickory hollow got some more... 03:16 <@Evilpig> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=pcat17006&type=page&skuId=2842056&searchpage=true&_requestid=76440 03:17 <@Evilpig> guess whenI go home from work today it will be a short nap so I can be down there at 11 03:17 <@VampirePenguin> gotta love it 03:17 <@VampirePenguin> qualified immunity 03:17 <@VampirePenguin> a civilian uses that and its never an excuse 03:18 < cnwav> i have tomorrow off... hehe... well i am supposed to have tomorrow off, but i am assuming that i will get pulled into the disaster response team 03:18 <@Evilpig> saturday they open at 10... hrmm. maybe not goto sleep when I get home. just stay up and head down there at 9:30 03:19 < cnwav> f- civies! 03:19 <@Evilpig> lol 03:19 <@VampirePenguin> thats what they keep trying 03:22 < cnwav> maybe i should goto sleep soon 03:22 < cnwav> there is a bbq fest in town tomlrrlw 03:23 < cnwav> tomorrow, rather 03:24 < cnwav> omg... i have to go piss off my neighbor noe 03:24 < cnwav> now 03:24 < cnwav> damn phone keyboard 03:24 <@VampirePenguin> bbq downtown nash? 03:24 < cnwav> no, in sc 03:25 <@VampirePenguin> my aunt just moved to nc last wk 03:25 <@VampirePenguin> oy 03:25 < cnwav> greenville, greer 03:26 < cnwav> im pretty far inland, no hurrican worries here. 03:26 <@VampirePenguin> were just going to get the high upper atmos rain 03:27 <@Bahhumbug> last track I saw indicated the OBX were going to get popped. 03:27 < cnwav> yeah, they are gonna get slammed... 03:28 <@VampirePenguin> http://www.bitrebels.com/technology/digit-mp3-probably-the-sexiest-mp3-player-in-the-world/ 03:28 < cnwav> my army buddy rented a hotel room on the coast and wants me to go with him.... 03:28 < cnwav> i would love to, but i know for sure that im gonna get called into work 03:29 <@Bahhumbug> You in the service as well? 03:29 < cnwav> hehe, did you see what happened to that guys minty player at the airport? 03:29 < cnwav> not anymore.... was hurt in the ghan, not much use to them anymore... 03:30 <@Bahhumbug> suck 03:30 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:30 <@Bahhumbug> But that being said... Thank you. 03:31 <@VampirePenguin> minty player 03:31 <@VampirePenguin> i refuse the tsa 03:31 <@VampirePenguin> so i dont even go to airports 03:32 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 03:32 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 03:32 <@Evilpig> hrmm so according to this thread I should show up at bestbuy right when they open at 10 and ask them to do an inventory check on sku 2842056 03:32 < cnwav> hehe, yeah, i had a couple funny run ins at the airport involving firearms... once when i was traveling under orders from the gov... 03:33 < cnwav> yeah, but i wouldnt count on anything... i would wait for the hp sale... 03:33 <@VampirePenguin> being sexually assaulted is not my idea of paying for a plane ride 03:33 < cnwav> all it takes is ff and an extension 03:34 <@Bahhumbug> meh. when else are you going to get felt up? 03:34 < cnwav> yeah, i always refuse the scanner... 03:34 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:34 < cnwav> but, yw 03:34 <@VampirePenguin> ill go to the strip club 03:34 <@VampirePenguin> and have more fun 03:34 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 03:34 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 03:34 <@VampirePenguin> i just drive 03:34 < cnwav> yeah, i assembled an assault rifle in an airport in boston... was pretty funny... they got pissed 03:34 <@Bahhumbug> +1 03:35 <@VampirePenguin> lol 03:35 < cnwav> long story, but i was traveling on orders for the gov at the time... 03:35 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:35 < cnwav> hehe nothing like watching 7 guys assemble m4's in an airport 03:36 < cnwav> people started freaking the f- out. 03:36 <@Evilpig> cnwav: if there is a chance, might as well drive the 10 minutes to best buy and try, right? 03:36 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 03:36 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 03:36 < cnwav> i guess they thought we were part of some crazy strong arm luggage robbery gang 03:37 < cnwav> yeah, it's worth a try, but there will probably be a long line 03:37 <@Evilpig> dude, who wouldn't want to rob one of the stores in the airport? with the prices they charge you know you'd make some bank 03:38 <@Evilpig> getting away from there with the money would be the hard part 03:39 <@VampirePenguin> im getting too old, too scrappy and dont want to be fucked with by some greenhorn 03:39 < cnwav> yeah, my last flight to lv.... i had a very heated argument over whether ice was a liquid or solid.... i ended the argument by asking for anyone with a college degree to clarify if ice was a liquid or solid... so i finally was able to take my cup of ice through the checkpoint 03:40 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:40 <@VampirePenguin> thats original 03:40 <@VampirePenguin> they want it by wgt 03:40 < cnwav> wgt? 03:40 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 03:40 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 03:41 <@VampirePenguin> so many grams or so many fl oz 03:41 <@VampirePenguin> you can count that by wgt or volume 03:41 < cnwav> dcode... what server are you on? is yours splitting, or are you on a tun? 03:41 -!- Bahhumbug [jrd@unaffiliated/gerdesas] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:41 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:41 < cnwav> oh, yeah... they stopped me and said no liquids over 3oz.... 03:42 <@VampirePenguin> hehe 03:42 <@VampirePenguin> i got to remember that one 03:42 <@VampirePenguin> id pull somehting like that 03:42 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 03:42 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 03:42 < cnwav> ...i looked and them and said, "this is ice... not a liquid"... then it got nasty 03:42 <@VampirePenguin> ya its all in the legalities.... 03:42 -!- Bahhumbug [jrd@unaffiliated/gerdesas] has joined #se2600 03:42 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Bahhumbug] by ChanServ 03:43 <@VampirePenguin> the fucking VA needs to hurrricane storm walls 03:43 <@VampirePenguin> ass holes 03:43 < cnwav> yeah, like im trying to bring frozen cube ofs h2o2 through the checkpoint 03:44 < cnwav> you in a va hospital or something? 03:44 <@VampirePenguin> i live there... but no i have a appeal going 03:44 <@VampirePenguin> so far this is fiscal year 3 03:44 < cnwav> i have learned something recently... NEVER goto a va hospital... 03:44 <@VampirePenguin> its actuall since 05 03:44 <@VampirePenguin> bbut 03:44 < cnwav> unless you are working on your c and p exams 03:45 <@VampirePenguin> va's ive been too are actually very good 03:45 <@VampirePenguin> to excellent 03:45 < cnwav> i finally finished my last round.... waiting to hear on their ruling 03:45 <@VampirePenguin> its not the docs it the damn bean counters 03:46 <@VampirePenguin> ya i just turned in the last of my evidence which is going to really piss them off 03:46 < cnwav> i have gotten to the point where i cant tie my shoes without vomiting.... so i filed for an increase 03:46 <@VampirePenguin> my last ssoc was a month ago 03:46 <@VampirePenguin> gerd? 03:46 < cnwav> no, head injury 03:46 <@VampirePenguin> ah yes 03:47 < cnwav> really sucks... it is really messing with me... 03:47 <@VampirePenguin> i promise you my life is not a bed of roses either 03:47 < cnwav> ...not only is it messing with my balance and motor skills... i have problems processing info at times 03:47 <@VampirePenguin> 5 major things going on and any of them can kill 03:48 <@VampirePenguin> omeprazole help my stomach 03:48 < cnwav> i can deal with the physical pain from the other stuff.. 03:48 <@VampirePenguin> trying vomiting at 90mph out the drivers window 03:48 <@VampirePenguin> its so fun 03:50 <@VampirePenguin> i have to watch out on the gerd bc if the esophagal lining that is already etching turns cancerous malignant type they said less than 6 very very very painful months 03:50 < cnwav> but i cant even close my damn eyes or look up without falling over 03:50 <@VampirePenguin> so like major vertigo 03:50 < cnwav> yeah, my stomach bothers me a bit, but it's not nearly as bad as yours... i dont have barrets yet or anything 03:51 <@VampirePenguin> they did a scope and took a biopsy of the lining 03:51 < cnwav> yeah, i got my noggin rocked really bad a few times... 03:51 <@VampirePenguin> some of the stuff they can do forward ppl wouldnt have lived 20 yrs ago 03:51 < cnwav> and im still trying to get them to cut the rest of the shit out of my back 03:52 <@VampirePenguin> it can take forever 03:53 < cnwav> they say that they wont cut on me cause the material isnt threatening any other part of my body... 03:53 <@VampirePenguin> the gp i have right now is cute as a button 03:54 < cnwav> my body has encapsulated it and is trying to push it through my skin... 03:54 <@VampirePenguin> somewhere i heard that if a va wasnt cloe enough 03:54 < cnwav> they dont believe me when i say it hurts at times... 03:54 <@VampirePenguin> you can go to any hospital close to you and present your va card and they have to pay it 03:55 <@VampirePenguin> go talk to your personal advocate 03:55 < cnwav> i would cut it out of myself, but it's on my damn back... 03:55 <@VampirePenguin> tell em that it is hurting 03:55 < cnwav> i need to do that... 03:56 <@VampirePenguin> remember that when you go to the doc and they ask for pain count from 1-10... that means from the last visit or the last 6 months 03:56 <@VampirePenguin> its not that day 03:56 < cnwav> i have private insurance, but i want the va to admit that it is a damn problem and document it... 03:56 < cnwav> i 03:56 <@VampirePenguin> if you already have a high enough rating 03:56 <@VampirePenguin> they have to treat you by law for everything 03:57 <@VampirePenguin> not just your rating 03:57 <@VampirePenguin> they changed that because it used to be like that yrs ago 03:57 < cnwav> i always base 10 on the worstpain i have ever felt... hehe i guess that is always why i tell them 1 or 2... 03:57 < cnwav> they always loom at my funny... 03:57 < cnwav> look 03:57 < cnwav> my = me 03:58 <@VampirePenguin> if you feel a 7-8 everyday and a 2 on the day you go youre hurting yourself for care 03:58 <@VampirePenguin> pain can be physical and emotional 03:59 <@VampirePenguin> right this second i am at a 9 03:59 <@VampirePenguin> i usually am 7-10 or more 03:59 <@VampirePenguin> they are seeing those low scores and that is what is justifying in their eyes you dont need the surgery 03:59 < cnwav> i could get it cut out by a private doc, but i want the va to admit that it is an issue and record it.... it's really funny, cause the wounds are even listed on my exit physical... i have tons of proof for it... 04:00 <@VampirePenguin> you have a rating right? 04:00 <@VampirePenguin> svc con right? 04:00 <@VampirePenguin> no matter what that rating was for... if that stuff is causing you pain the VA MUST by Fedaeral law treat it 04:01 <@VampirePenguin> they have to treat all of you not the bullet hole 04:01 <@VampirePenguin> of course they dont tell you this 04:01 <@VampirePenguin> but that VA card gives you right to get care 04:01 < cnwav> i had to walk and fight with a 60 pound ruck through the shikoht valley on a broken foot... so i tend to base my painscale off of that.... 04:01 <@VampirePenguin> rating determines what it is 04:02 < cnwav> yeah, i am svc con'ed 04:02 <@VampirePenguin> the highest level of pain i ever had dropped me to my knees in such pain in microseconds 04:02 < cnwav> the shit in my back is from a rpg... it's very well documented... but my doctors here have been complete dicks 04:03 <@VampirePenguin> if i remember correctly 70% gives you the ability to petition the govt for 100% benefits at 70% rating 04:03 <@VampirePenguin> bc you can no longer work 04:04 <@VampirePenguin> you have also given them low numbers 04:04 < cnwav> i would have had myself medivac'ed from the shikoht, but i was the only medic there... 04:04 <@VampirePenguin> so they see no need its not bothering you 04:06 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:06 < cnwav> im hoping to get a rating of 100 this time around... 04:07 < cnwav> take enough to pay my private insurance and donate the rest to the local veterans home... they really helped me out when i needed it 04:09 < cnwav> i was pretty much living in psyc hospitals... and they helped me get ahold of my life again 04:09 <@VampirePenguin> i dont understand why you have private ins.... if your rating is high enough and svc conn 04:09 <@VampirePenguin> youre paying them to still treat you when thay have to already 04:09 < cnwav> my medical care is covered 100% from the va... 04:10 <@VampirePenguin> why the private 04:10 <@VampirePenguin> you dont need it 04:10 <@VampirePenguin> that va is your insurance 04:10 <@VampirePenguin> card 04:10 < cnwav> but i have had really bad experiences with va docs and being on waiting lists... 04:11 <@VampirePenguin> raise hell with your personal advocate 04:11 <@VampirePenguin> one mother fucker almost put me in er 04:11 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 04:11 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 04:11 <@VampirePenguin> bc my lithium levels went for .8 to 1.4 04:11 < cnwav> the va will pay for it, but a lot of times it takes them too long to pay it off and the bills goto colletions 04:11 <@VampirePenguin> all hospital bills do on insurance 04:12 <@VampirePenguin> my wife got hit in accident i got collection bill 2 dyas later 04:12 < cnwav> but with priv ins, the va has no problem paying my copay immeadiately.... 04:12 <@VampirePenguin> for the ambulance 04:12 <@VampirePenguin> of course not.. youre paying 04:12 <@Evilpig> the entire medical field is a crock 04:12 <@VampirePenguin> you shouldnt have a copay at 100% 04:12 <@VampirePenguin> or very little 04:12 <@Evilpig> everything is overpriced and been that way for way too long 04:13 < cnwav> i had a 30k hospital bill and it took them 8 months to pay it... went into collections and knto my credit report 04:13 < cnwav> well, i dont have a deductable with my pric ins, but i do have a copay on certain things.... 04:13 <@VampirePenguin> they do same with medicare and shit 04:13 <@VampirePenguin> the donut hole 04:13 < cnwav> pric = priv 04:14 <@VampirePenguin> honestly i wouldnt worry about it 04:14 <@VampirePenguin> give em your va card 04:14 <@VampirePenguin> telll em talk to usa govt 04:14 < cnwav> when i used to make the va pay everything, it would take forever.... 04:14 <@VampirePenguin> its their problem 04:14 <@VampirePenguin> i know 04:15 <@VampirePenguin> the govt moves in its own time 04:15 <@VampirePenguin> always has .... 04:15 < cnwav> some hospitals will flat out refuse to bill straight to the va cause they take too long... 04:15 <@Evilpig> they can't refuse to bill the insurance company can they? 04:15 <@VampirePenguin> the cant federal law 04:15 <@VampirePenguin> if you present VA card the MUST treat you and VA 04:15 <@VampirePenguin> MUST pay 04:16 <@Evilpig> i'm sure some billing bitch would complain about it but I don't think they can refuse it 04:16 <@VampirePenguin> nice big lawsuit 04:16 < cnwav> but iave have found that having hybrid priv and va... i dont have any problems... the va will pay right away and my priv ins has never come after me for a copay 04:16 <@Evilpig> as long as it works for ya I guess 04:16 <@VampirePenguin> thats about right what ever works 04:16 <@VampirePenguin> i would write congressman 04:17 <@VampirePenguin> tell them feds taking too long to pay bills and hospitals are refusing to admit 04:17 < cnwav> not a fan of lawsuits... didnt eeven sue my old employeer over our patent debacle... 04:17 <@VampirePenguin> then take it to shinseki and the president 04:18 <@VampirePenguin> if somebody doesnt say something noone knows there is a problem 04:18 < cnwav> well, they will admit me... they never refused to admit me... they just refused to bill the va directly... 04:18 <@VampirePenguin> tell your congressman 04:18 <@VampirePenguin> VA is reneging on payments 04:18 < cnwav> they want to bill me, and then have me file with the va... 04:19 <@VampirePenguin> causing collection issues etc 04:19 <@VampirePenguin> of course then if you dont get paid oh well 04:19 <@VampirePenguin> they got their money 04:19 <@VampirePenguin> they dont give a fuck 04:19 < cnwav> i am still getting calls, i just say, "bill the va"... if they say no, i just hang up 04:20 <@Evilpig> that's probably what i'd do too 04:20 <@VampirePenguin> i would 04:20 <@VampirePenguin> id send the bill to the president 04:20 <@VampirePenguin> by fax 04:20 <@VampirePenguin> here pay this 04:20 <@Evilpig> probably spout off to them like "I aint yo' atm bitch! *click*" 04:21 <@VampirePenguin> cnwav: i understand too that there are only so many hrs in the day, and you only feel so good to deal with whatever comes... if it works it works.. but that is the law 04:22 <@VampirePenguin> im just a ornery sob 04:22 <@VampirePenguin> i dont give fuck 04:22 <@VampirePenguin> youve driven past desperation 04:22 <@VampirePenguin> i got nothing to lose 04:23 <@VampirePenguin> ive been to 4 VA hospitals and all of them have been great 04:23 <@VampirePenguin> MN was the best 04:23 < cnwav> yeah, yyou are right... it's not that i dont have enough time.... it's that i cant handle dealing with that much crap... only able to manage the minimum to survive.... can barely take care of myself... 04:23 <@VampirePenguin> the ones on the east coast in sme places are worn down 04:24 < cnwav> atlanta, chicago and columbia were horrible... 04:24 <@VampirePenguin> cnwav: then fine you have found a way to cope that works for you for emotional peace and gets your bills paid so you keep that peace 04:25 < cnwav> i actually asked one of my docs if she got her degree in a box of cracker jacks... 04:25 <@VampirePenguin> me im dr jekyll and mr hyde 04:25 <@VampirePenguin> never know what is going to come out 04:26 <@VampirePenguin> ive learned if there is any treatment issue the docs or nurses wont address go right to personal advocate 04:26 <@VampirePenguin> they will do something 04:26 <@VampirePenguin> im sure that doc got some kind of reprimand or lost the ability to treat vets 04:27 < cnwav> i just want them to admit it on paper and sc me for it, so that when i dont have priv ins(like when i loose my job, which i have lost one allready from this)... that they will cover me without question for my treatment... 04:27 <@VampirePenguin> his fault though i told him my meds were synergistic and i had to have both numbers immediately 04:27 <@VampirePenguin> youre already covered 04:27 <@VampirePenguin> once you have a rating they have to treat ALL of you 04:27 < cnwav> i need to talk to an advocate.... 04:27 <@VampirePenguin> not just the bullet hole 04:28 <@VampirePenguin> whats ur rating 04:28 <@VampirePenguin> 70 04:28 < cnwav> i havent been in my pool all year cause i have these giant lumps on my back frrom the fucking shrapnel... 04:29 <@VampirePenguin> if you are at 70/80 its hard to get 100% 04:29 <@VampirePenguin> instead file for same rating but cant work with 100% benefits 04:29 < cnwav> i am at 30... they sent me a nice letter saying that i exceeded all the requirements for 70, but that since i admitted to using illict drugds that they wouldnt rate me. 04:29 <@VampirePenguin> thats easier to get 04:30 < cnwav> trying right now, waiting to hear on my new rating... 04:30 <@VampirePenguin> you have to go the rating route 04:30 < cnwav> my hearing is shot and the doc said it's untreatable... 04:30 <@VampirePenguin> youre going to have to prove somehow you are rehabbed 04:31 < cnwav> my back is killing me all day, every day... 04:31 <@VampirePenguin> hearing is 10% 04:31 < cnwav> i still have pieces of the ghan in my body.... 04:31 < cnwav> my head injury is making things pretty unbearable.... 04:32 < cnwav> my foot causes me problems all the time... 04:32 <@VampirePenguin> your foot and back can contribute to hed pan 04:32 < cnwav> oh, and i have this horrible habit of going bat shit crazy from time to time 04:33 <@Evilpig> skydog contributes to my butt pain. har har har 04:33 <@VampirePenguin> lol 04:33 < cnwav> the headaches dont respond to medication... 04:33 < cnwav> the lack of sleep keeps building up.... 04:33 <@Evilpig> and don't anybody be taking that to mean but secs either 04:34 <@VampirePenguin> and what is wrong wit hbutt sex 04:34 <@VampirePenguin> for some it is fine 04:34 <@VampirePenguin> not me 04:34 <@VampirePenguin> but for some 04:34 <@Evilpig> nto for me and skydog. nope 04:34 < cnwav> i took 20mg of ambien an hour ago and im still not tired... 04:34 <@VampirePenguin> they give me seroquel nd klons 04:35 <@VampirePenguin> some nights i sleep 1 hr, some none, some 8 hrs, some 14 04:35 <@VampirePenguin> and my eating is shot to hell 04:35 <@VampirePenguin> i might eat once a day 04:35 <@VampirePenguin> if i remember 04:35 <@VampirePenguin> ive gone 36 hrs and go oh 04:35 <@VampirePenguin> i didnt eat 04:35 < cnwav> the funny thing is that they keep sending me for sleep studies.... but they keep invalidating them cause i cant sleep long enough during the study... seriously people?!? that is why i am here, cause i cant sleep 04:36 < cnwav> yeah, seroquel didnt work that great for me... and it made me gain a TON of weight 04:37 <@VampirePenguin> just sleep when you can 04:38 < cnwav> i gave up on benzos.... they did help with the mid-day flashbacks.... but the quick uptake and short halflife of xanax was like riding a roller coaster... 04:38 <@VampirePenguin> thats another contributing factor i wont be able to work again 04:38 <@VampirePenguin> xanax can work fast 04:38 <@VampirePenguin> so do klons 04:39 <@VampirePenguin> buspurone is another calmers 04:39 < cnwav> klonopin didnt seem to help a lot, by that time i was scared shitless of taking anything habit forming.... 04:39 < cnwav> i wont take ANY opiods anymore because of that... i would rather deal with the pain 04:40 <@VampirePenguin> i know some one who was major into the streets and drugs 04:40 <@VampirePenguin> he is on methadone 04:40 <@VampirePenguin> bp1 04:40 < cnwav> the only reason that i am able to hold onto a job right noe is because i dont goto work untill 3pm 04:41 < cnwav> opiods didnt make sense to me... my pain is cronic.... 04:42 < cnwav> i wont let them operate on my back neck or shoulder.... too many of my guys got f"ed up from that 04:42 < cnwav> and i dont want to take oxy for the rest of my life... 04:42 <@VampirePenguin> what can you do for hobbies as a distraction 04:43 <@VampirePenguin> you might have too 04:43 <@VampirePenguin> i am going to be on meds forever 04:43 <@VampirePenguin> ive dealt with it thats life 04:43 <@VampirePenguin> if im not i die 04:43 < cnwav> i will be on psyc meds forever... 04:43 <@VampirePenguin> me 2 04:43 < cnwav> but i dont wanna be on pain meds... 04:43 <@VampirePenguin> i have 12 bottles to take a day 04:44 < cnwav> i can deal with the physical pain.... being so taught me to drive on no matter what.... 04:45 < cnwav> but i will go crazy and end up in jail or worse without the rest of the meds... 04:46 <@VampirePenguin> im certifiably crazy Evilpig made me a poster 04:46 < cnwav> i have been off of illict stuff for a long time... but i am seriously thinking of starting to smoke weed.... stimulate appetite, deal with nasuea, headaches, pain.... 04:46 < cnwav> hehe, i have the court documents to prove im crazy :) 04:47 <@VampirePenguin> ya mine are about 8" thick 04:47 < cnwav> and i also have the court documents that say im NOT crazy.... 04:47 < cnwav> a couple of jackasses had me commited... had to get that stricken 04:47 <@VampirePenguin> the jury is still out on medical mj 04:47 <@VampirePenguin> you could migrate to canada 04:47 <@VampirePenguin> then there is no problem 04:48 <@VampirePenguin> puerto rico has to follow usa laws 04:48 <@VampirePenguin> az its a felony 04:48 <@VampirePenguin> one joint 04:49 < cnwav> i am getting sick of the bs going on in this country... i love this country, but i see so much waste and stupid decisions... but everywhere else seems to be just as bad 04:49 <@VampirePenguin> then they want to yank all your benefits 04:50 < cnwav> i would move to cali if it wasnt full of so many insane take it over the edge liberals... 04:50 <@VampirePenguin> calif isnt that bad 04:50 <@VampirePenguin> the cola will kill 04:50 <@VampirePenguin> u 04:51 < cnwav> i hated it when i visited... 04:51 <@VampirePenguin> i lived there 10 yrs 04:51 <@VampirePenguin> loved the ocean 04:51 <@VampirePenguin> see it from my house 04:51 <@VampirePenguin> 10mi as the bird flies 04:52 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:52 <@VampirePenguin> its just that those hated liberals are the ones that see the benefits of mmj 04:52 < cnwav> people either were freaking out over me smoking cigarettes, or talking about how they made 200k a year.... 04:53 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 04:53 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 04:53 <@VampirePenguin> stay out of big cities 04:53 < cnwav> alcohol is legal... and it's 20 times worse than mj 04:53 <@VampirePenguin> coffee is worse than mj 04:53 <@VampirePenguin> thats a wicked drug 04:53 < cnwav> i wanted to punch everyone that i met in that state... 04:54 < cnwav> it didnt help that i was on my mid tour leave either... 04:54 <@VampirePenguin> living and visiting are two different animals 04:54 < cnwav> i cant drink coffee anymore.... 04:54 <@VampirePenguin> go to canada 04:55 < cnwav> my stomach is too f-ed up. 04:55 <@VampirePenguin> i think you can still hold your benefits and live 04:55 < cnwav> f canada, its cold and full of half french people ;) 04:55 <@VampirePenguin> not in the west 04:55 <@VampirePenguin> yes it is cold 04:55 <@VampirePenguin> i love cold 04:56 <@VampirePenguin> fl still doent know the difference between a hangin chad, prg chad, and might be chad 04:56 < cnwav> i have a wonderful espresso machine and coffee grinder that i havent been able to use in over 6 months.... 04:56 < cnwav> cant stand the cold anymore.... reminds me too much of the ghan.. 04:57 <@VampirePenguin> i got rid of my coffe maker when i found this nice metal camping percolator 04:57 <@VampirePenguin> i love it 04:58 < cnwav> have a french press, a drip machine with gold basket, perc for camping and of course my espresso machine.... but they are just gathering dust right now 04:59 <@VampirePenguin> damn thats sweet 04:59 < cnwav> i was a coffee snob, everything had to be locally roasted.... but i cant even drink a cup without getting ill these days 05:00 < cnwav> i guess its karma 05:00 <@VampirePenguin> its funny but my calm thing now... i always dig my puter..... is taking photos 05:00 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:01 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 05:01 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 05:02 < cnwav> tech stuff is the only thing that can keep my attention these days... and that recently just started up again... went a long time just feeling like a husk of a human, 05:03 < cnwav> doing better now, but i still go through cycles 05:03 <@VampirePenguin> i dont get far by puter 05:03 <@VampirePenguin> just so i can get outside 05:04 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:05 < cnwav> i would love to just feel normal again... one of these days... 05:05 <@VampirePenguin> normal is the setting on a dryer 05:05 <@VampirePenguin> and no one has it 05:06 < cnwav> fuck this, why am i even talking about this 05:06 <@VampirePenguin> i have a friend who fought the ssdi for 10 yrs with a fully document ed work violence incident... she had head trauma, headaches, basically she is organci bp 05:06 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 05:06 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 05:06 -!- cnwav [~yaaic@237.sub-174-254-145.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org] 05:12 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:13 -!- CNwaV [~yaaic@68-189-190-128.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com] has joined #se2600 05:13 < CNwaV> Sorry about being pissy... 05:14 < CNwaV> Just get upset talking about it sometimes. 05:14 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 05:14 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 05:16 < CNwaV> Switched over to my tab... Got tired of the keyboard on the phone 05:17 <@Evilpig> bitch away 05:18 <@Evilpig> god knows I come in here to vent 05:19 < CNwaV> Its just annoying, knowing people that were desk jockeys in the air force that got a higher disability rating and are only there to milk the system... Then they brag about it 05:21 < CNwaV> Ugh... I need sleep... 05:22 < CNwaV> Didn't really want to see a sunrise this morning 05:23 < CNwaV> So, ep, what are the chances of seeing some actual organized activity areas outside of the norm 05:23 <@Evilpig> excellent 05:23 <@Evilpig> i'm just not at liberty to say what all is planned right now 05:24 <@Evilpig> I would lvoe to say everything that is on the table but the reality is... there be spies everywhere 05:25 < CNwaV> Omg, sd actually has a page up now... He is having it at a different hotel? 05:26 < CNwaV> I figured he would just have a gathering at the same hotel like last year 05:26 < CNwaV> This is fucked up... This is gonna split the con... 05:27 < CNwaV> It's gonna ruin it for everyone 05:27 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:27 <@Evilpig> yeah different hotel too. it really is fucked 05:28 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 05:28 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 05:29 < CNwaV> Man, wtf. 05:29 < CNwaV> This just pisses me off 05:29 <@Evilpig> that's been my feeling for the last week 05:29 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:31 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 05:31 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 05:35 <@VampirePenguin> is this the same guy who a few yrs ago caused all the trouble 05:35 <@VampirePenguin> CNwaV: dont fuckin worry about it man 05:36 <@VampirePenguin> i hearby pledge i am up to no good... but that doesnt include spying 05:36 <@Bahhumbug> I don't know the guy from adam but he strikes me as an immature shit with a tiny dick that he's trying to compensate for. 05:37 < CNwaV> Upsetting about what was being done... Why cant people make nice and pull together? We are all adults here, right? 05:37 <@VampirePenguin> it was like pn 11 12 13 05:37 <@VampirePenguin> i heard frm part at pn14 05:37 <@VampirePenguin> CNwaV: abotu leaving 05:37 <@VampirePenguin> hey Bahhumbug 05:37 <@Evilpig> VampirePenguin: he's caused trouble for years with different hings 05:38 <@VampirePenguin> okay that same nick 05:38 <@Bahhumbug> 'lo VampirePenguin 05:38 <@VampirePenguin> i thought so 05:38 < CNwaV> Well last year he had the rip phreaknic party 05:38 <@VampirePenguin> i dont know about that one... i had a great time at pn 05:39 < CNwaV> Are any of the makers gonna be at pn? 05:39 <@VampirePenguin> good wkend to get out of the house 05:39 <@VampirePenguin> im hoping i can pay on the 3rd 05:39 <@VampirePenguin> ssdi isnt out til then 05:39 <@VampirePenguin> 2nd 05:41 <@VampirePenguin> duh its in the topic 05:41 <@VampirePenguin> ill start hitting my twitter timeline 05:41 <@VampirePenguin> we are 30 days out now 05:43 <@Evilpig> that ripreaknic shit sput into a "they're renaming phreaknic to skydogcon" which he wouldn't deny or otherwise. that was a giant mess that he and I already had many words over 05:43 <@VampirePenguin> fuck i cant count 60 05:43 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:44 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 05:44 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 05:45 <@VampirePenguin> does anyone have the tech expertise to put a youtube vid out 05:45 <@Evilpig> yar 05:45 <@Evilpig> I like palyin with youtube. hehe 05:45 <@VampirePenguin> i heard you talking about gamers 05:45 <@VampirePenguin> they will hit it on utube 05:45 <@Evilpig> http://youtu.be/ErMA1f-q1bk 05:48 <@VampirePenguin> oh cool 05:48 <@VampirePenguin> i keep waitng for it to like grow into monster turtle and chase you ass around the yard 05:50 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:52 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 05:52 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 05:52 < CNwaV> Well... At least with competing cons... The selection criteria for speakers will be alot easier to hit 05:57 <@VampirePenguin> got the mean song ... 05:58 <@VampirePenguin> i think without me would be more appro 05:58 < CNwaV> Everyone seems ft o have died.... Guess ill try to catch some z's 05:58 <@VampirePenguin> later 05:59 < CNwaV> Would love to speak about something... I have done three of our last nclugs... 06:00 < CNwaV> Sorry, uclugs 06:02 <@VampirePenguin> http://icanhascheezburger.com/2011/07/15/funny-pictures-videos-baby-sloth-yawn/?fromVidWidget 06:02 < CNwaV> But im so out of touch with the times... One of them was.only about hardware mods on mipsel wifi routers and building your own custom firmware.... 06:04 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:07 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 06:07 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 06:13 <@VampirePenguin> 80 efficient PSU, get a power saving CPU.. mind is Phenom 90W, ligtscribe, RAM, small SSD is great for OS, then use larger hdds for storage and /home, antec makes killer cases.. i only use cf or sd/hc cards for transport 06:14 <@VampirePenguin> micro atx board 06:14 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:15 <@VampirePenguin> there check ur pm CNwaV 06:17 <@VampirePenguin> most boxen are sata 3, usb 3, led backlite monitors and scanners 06:17 <@VampirePenguin> that puts ya pretty green...... i prob use 50W hr 06:18 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 06:18 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 06:23 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:26 -!- VampirePenguin [~vp@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:26 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 06:26 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 06:29 <@Evilpig> shit sorry. 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10:11 <@Shadow404> tell me its not another wow expanion 10:18 <@Evilpig> touchpaad 10:18 <@Shadow404> why do you need a pad to touch yourself? 10:18 <@Evilpig> cleaner than touching myself directly? 10:18 <@Shadow404> maybe, nothing can contain the shadow 10:19 <@Shadow404> pig, msg me 10:34 <@Evilpig> no I will not cyber sex0r you shadow. damnit 10:38 <@Shadow404> tease 10:39 < CNwaV> He he, told you to get there early 10:46 < CNwaV> Yay, I slept some! 10:53 < CNwaV> Time to go eat some hog 10:58 < CNwaV> Tst 11:02 -!- m0j0-j0j0 [~jkemp@cnet520-hosoc.mcclatchyinteractive.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:13 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@2001:470:1f10:1083::2] has joined #se2600 11:13 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@2001:470:1f10:1083::2] has quit [Changing host] 11:13 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@pdpc/sponsor/digium/brimstone] has joined #se2600 11:13 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o brimstone] by ChanServ 11:13 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:18 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 11:18 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 11:27 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:29 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 11:29 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 11:55 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:59 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 11:59 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 12:07 -!- am1n0 [~a@unaffiliated/devemo] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:07 -!- am1n0 [~a@unaffiliated/devemo] has joined #se2600 12:07 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o am1n0] by ChanServ 12:09 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:11 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 12:11 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 12:14 < RangerZ> LOL @ playing a flash game with ACTOOLS (moves the mouse, clicks, has timers, etc) 12:35 -!- CNwaV [~yaaic@68-189-190-128.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org] 12:40 -!- mog [~mog@fsf/member/mog] has quit [Read error: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number] 12:40 -!- mog [~mog@c-68-62-170-105.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 12:40 -!- mog [~mog@c-68-62-170-105.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 12:40 -!- mog [~mog@fsf/member/mog] has joined #se2600 12:40 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o mog] by ChanServ 12:42 -!- mog [~mog@fsf/member/mog] has quit [Read error: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number] 12:42 -!- mog [~mog@c-68-62-170-105.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 12:42 -!- mog [~mog@c-68-62-170-105.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 12:42 -!- mog [~mog@fsf/member/mog] has joined #se2600 12:43 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o mog] by ChanServ 12:49 -!- halfcalorie [~halfcalor@96-32-138-216.dhcp.gwnt.ga.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:51 -!- halfcalorie [~halfcalor@96-32-138-216.dhcp.gwnt.ga.charter.com] has joined #se2600 13:01 -!- dc0de1 [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 13:02 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:39 -!- halfcalorie [~halfcalor@96-32-138-216.dhcp.gwnt.ga.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:41 -!- halfcalorie [~halfcalor@96-32-138-216.dhcp.gwnt.ga.charter.com] has joined #se2600 13:59 -!- dc0de1 [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 14:00 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 14:20 -!- CNwaV [~yaaic@68-189-190-128.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com] has joined #se2600 14:21 < CNwaV> I thiught the whole idea was to book pn after the schedule came out so that it wasnt on a game weekend? 14:56 <@brimstone> that was the plan for the past few years 14:59 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 15:00 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 15:21 -!- halfcalorie [~halfcalor@96-32-138-216.dhcp.gwnt.ga.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:23 -!- halfcalorie [~halfcalor@96-32-138-216.dhcp.gwnt.ga.charter.com] has joined #se2600 15:30 <@ware> gg pulled over and ticketed for expired tags on my birthday 15:38 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:38 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 15:38 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 16:10 -!- dc0de1 [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 16:13 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:25 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 16:25 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 16:25 -!- dc0de1 [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:27 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:28 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 16:28 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 16:30 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:32 -!- dc0de1 [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 16:33 <@opticron> ware, that's how birthdays work 16:33 <@opticron> you get trolled by the world 16:33 -!- dc0de1 [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:35 -!- dc0de1 [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 18:44 -!- dc0de1 [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:44 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 18:44 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 18:49 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:49 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 18:50 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 18:56 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:57 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 18:57 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 19:12 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:13 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #se2600 19:13 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 19:23 -!- Shadow404 [~Shadow404@c-71-204-53-251.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:03 < CNwaV> Chirp, chirp 20:36 -!- halfcalorie [~halfcalor@96-32-138-216.dhcp.gwnt.ga.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:39 -!- halfcalorie [~halfcalor@96-32-138-216.dhcp.gwnt.ga.charter.com] has joined #se2600 21:35 -!- dc0de [~dc0de@ip72-197-78-249.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:56 -!- RangerZ [~mwalker@c-69-245-3-120.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:07 -!- DagmarX [~dagmar@74.223.191.2.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #se2600 23:07 -!- DagmarX [~dagmar@74.223.191.2.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Changing host] 23:07 -!- DagmarX [~dagmar@unaffiliated/dagmar] has joined #se2600 23:07 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o DagmarX] by ChanServ 23:09 <@DagmarX> Damn Notch getting his picture taken with Felicia Day 23:09 -!- am1n0 [~a@unaffiliated/devemo] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:25 -!- DagmarX [~dagmar@unaffiliated/dagmar] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by some guy in the park.] --- Log closed Sun Aug 28 00:00:12 2011