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07:37 < eryc> http://www.noob.us/entertainment/mr-ghetto-walmart/
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08:36 <@Evilpig> wtf was that?
09:17 < ware> wat
09:19 <@Dagmar>  /window balance
09:20 <@Dagmar> That video is why you don't want a new Wal-Mart opening up in your area
09:20 <@Dagmar> EVer.
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09:39 < zadeaux> Gold $1750/oz.. Going to have to start buying cars with gold aye?
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10:19 <@Mirage_> Two IT guys were biking across the park when one said, "Where did you get such a great bike?"
10:19 <@Mirage_> The second IT guy replied, "Well, I was walking along yesterday minding my own business when a beautiful woman rode up on this bike. She threw the bike to the ground, took off all her clothes and said, 'Take what you want.'"
10:19 <@Mirage_> The first IT guy nodded approvingly, "Good choice, The clothes probably wouldn't have fit."
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10:24  * brimstone giggles
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12:12 <@Corydon76-home> http://awkwardfamilyphotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/3.jpg
13:20 <@Dagmar> Oh holy shit that guys shoes clash with their robes!
13:21 <@Dagmar> They should just disown him.
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13:35 <@Dagmar> Free bitch to make fun of... http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/questions/750116
13:36 <@Dagmar> So, the guy runs a site called 1id.com that purports to assist with identity management issues...
13:36 <@Dagmar> ...but he doesn't understand SSL signage.
13:36 <@Dagmar> Wow
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13:41 < eryc> wala wala wala wala wala wala
13:47 <@Dagmar> Oi
13:48 <@Dagmar> Do you have any idea where one can find the list of root CA certs are shipped out in Android?
13:48 <@Dagmar> Specifically old-ass versions of it (1.5/1.6, 2.1/2.2)
13:49 <@brimstone> yes
13:49 <@brimstone> /system/etc/security/cacerts.bks
13:49 <@brimstone> on at least 2.x
13:49 <@Dagmar> Ooooo
13:50 <@Dagmar> Thank you!
13:50 <@brimstone> np
13:50 <@Dagmar> I might be able to get somewhere with this crap now since I've got the emulator here
13:51 <@the_hugme> the android developers software for linux is pretty awesome
13:51 <@Dagmar> Meh.  It *works* at least
13:51 <@Dagmar> It's slow as fucking Christmas tho
13:51 <@the_hugme> eats a lot of memory on your device, but they did a great job at developing, especially supporting older versions...
13:52 <@Dagmar> Well, in this case I'm trying to make some older browsers that can't find a chain of trust for GeoTrust certs STFU and stop carping
13:53 <@Dagmar> I found the proper intermediate cert for Android 2.3, but 2.2.x and older are still brok
13:53 <@Dagmar> e
13:53 <@Dagmar> To roll my own I get to figure out which damn certs they have and go from there
13:54 <@the_hugme> My phone unfortunately takes an act of congress to install anything 2.0 or newer... blah...
13:54 <@the_hugme> at some point I'll get out of the dark ages and get a new phone
13:55 <@the_hugme> I wouldn't care so much except that any version 1.x doesn't allow installs on any external memory device
13:55 <@Dagmar> That means you might be interested in this fix once I've sorted it
13:56 <@the_hugme> possibly... but I'ld still rather have a new phone :-)
14:03 <@brimstone> i fix my phone to allow cacert's after every upgrade :/
14:05 <@brimstone> Dagmar: https://the.narro.ws/svn/brimstone/programming/bash/android-ssl/update.sh
14:06 <@brimstone> sounds like you just need to add in a different cert
14:06 <@brimstone> there's an app in the market that will allow you to change your certs too
14:06 <@brimstone> i don't remember what it's called
14:06 <@Dagmar> I'll bookmark that, but it's actually not the solution I'm looking for
14:07 <@Dagmar> You ever seen the SSLCertificateChainFile used before?
14:08 <@brimstone> i don't think so
14:08 <@Dagmar> What it amounts to is that instead of signing everything directly with their root cert, providers are now being slightly less stupid and signing with an intermediate cert
14:09 <@Dagmar> So... the root cert ships out in browsers and is trusted, but now we've got a gap
14:09 <@Dagmar> The cert the website uses was signed by the intermediate, and not the root cert
14:10 <@Dagmar> So... if you tell the *webserver* about the intermediate cert chain, it can hand out both your website's cert and the intermediate signage so that the browser can completely follow the chain from the website cert, to the intermediary, to the trusted root cert
14:10 <@Dagmar> THis is why I gotta find what root CAs are in the older browser
14:10 <@brimstone> oh, in apache
14:10 <@brimstone> i've heard of that
14:10 <@brimstone> or doing that
14:10 <@Dagmar> Yeah
14:10 <@brimstone> maybe not by that name specifically
14:10 <@brimstone> but yeah, i have to do that with godaddy's cert
14:10 <@Dagmar> I had to do it to one of our websites here late last week
14:11 <@Dagmar> Potentially there's about seven others I'll need to do it to, but I'd like to have it fix more than just Android 2.3 and higher
14:11 <@brimstone> for reference, the cacert on my 2.3.5 phone was last updated in 2008 :/
14:13 <@Dagmar> The irritating thing is that testing this means fucking with a live site
14:13 <@Dagmar> ...but I've found one here no one is really using much that I can futz with at 11pm and no one's likely to notice
14:14 <@brimstone> if it's irritating you, you must be in IT and not Marketing, Sales, Web Dev, ...
14:14 <@Dagmar> brimstone: also... "weakly powered" is a phrase filled with evil
14:15 <@brimstone> eh? am i using that somewhere?
14:15 <@Dagmar> I spent a bunch of time over the weekend working on a two-button cart station design
14:15 <@Dagmar> I ripped it up and rebuilt it all twice
14:15 <@Dagmar> Now I get to do it again
14:15 <@Dagmar> Specifically, power a redstone something or other to get it to do something by "strongly powering" it.
14:15 <@Dagmar> i.e., plugging it into the circuit
14:16 <@Dagmar> For it to *stop* doing that, it has to be completely unpowered.
14:16 <@brimstone> oh
14:17 <@brimstone> huh
14:17 <@Dagmar> ...which means basically that if you've got a bit of powered rail 2 blocks away tat's being strongly powered, your fucking extended piston won't retract while that's going on, which means the other piston is two clicks away from shoving back and breaking your shit
14:17 <@brimstone> the concept of redstone in minecraft is weird
14:17 <@Dagmar> THis is the first time I've seen the strong/weak power thing come into play at all
14:17 <@brimstone> you know what they say, "if brute force doesn't work, you're not using enough"
14:18 <@Dagmar> I have to rip a raquetball court's worth of circuitry out because basically I *can't ever* have both pushers active at the same time, or it'll always break.
14:18 <@Dagmar> ...so I have to stick an XOR circuit right in the middle.
14:19 <@Dagmar> That "32-line" thing I've been working on has a new stop on it where I built the damn thing
14:19 <@Dagmar> What's exposed works.  THe cart comes to a stop on flat track like it's supposed to, and pushing either button will merrily start the cart moving again
14:20 <@Dagmar> ...but I had to take the incoming rail sensors out that were making it an automatic-stop-startagain because they were completely tearing shit up
14:24 <@Dagmar> If yer down there and push both buttons real fast, it'll merrily malfunction
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16:55 <@Dagmar> Wheee
16:56 <@Dagmar> I now have a game plan for fixing the certficate shiznit
17:14 < ware> wee
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18:08 <@Dagmar> So... I find this story about Comcast's new 'Internet Essentials' plan pretty amusing
18:09 <@Dagmar> They appear to be promising 1.5/384 for $9.95/month
18:09 <@Dagmar> GEE I WISH I COULD GET THAT FOR THE SIXTY A MONTH I FUCKIN' PAY THEM
18:10 <@Dagmar> Someone should be going to jail for the fraud that is their advertised throughputs
18:17 < eryc> "up to"
18:38 <@Dagmar> When they regularly fail to come anywhere near those limits, they're a fiction
18:38 <@Dagmar> When they actively prevent you from actually _reaching_ those limits is even further removed from honesty.
18:43 < ware> rofl
18:44 < ware> lets start a crowd sourced internet in nashville dag
18:44 < ware> wifi all the way!
18:45 <@Dagmar> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/reviews/2010/11/worst-gadget-ever-ars-reviews-a-99-android-tablet.ars <-- LOL
19:01 <@Dagmar> Also http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/06/texas.html
19:07 <@Dagmar> ...and just to really spin that one out the full length, I get the feeling that if I were to breed with a person with that kind of heat-sensitivity, our children would spontanesouly combust unless dipped in a bucket of ice water the very moment they left the womb.
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