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00:31 <@Dagmar>  Wheee
00:31 <@Dagmar> SNMPd went awol during a firewall replacement
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07:39 <@ware> weeeeeeeeeeeeee
09:47 <@Dickie> weeeeeeeeeeeee
09:47 <@Dickie> we're having fun!
10:55 <@ladymerlin> whee
10:55 <@Dagmar> i am having bacteria
10:55 <@Dagmar> stupid bronchitis variant
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13:37 < rattleXw> Is anone here a CCIE?
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18:40 < cerkit> Anybody you can help field this: If you give someone hosting space with no agreement whatsoever to test out web stuff, and you turn that hosting off, and put something else up... do they have any legal recourse?
18:40 < cerkit> anybody who*
18:41 < cerkit> They have technical recourse, as owners of the domain, etc...  but, can they do anything legally...
18:41 < cerkit> They can just point to another host...
18:42 < RangerZ> depends...
18:43 < RangerZ> what state do you live in... b/c each state has different "assumed responsibilities" for contracts (which verbal can count)
18:43 < RangerZ> its one of those "you shouldn't have done this without CYA"
18:44 < cerkit> New Jersey
18:44 <@Bahhumbug> "no agreement whatsoever" means just that, there is no assumed contract.
18:44 < cerkit> precisely.
18:44 < cerkit> Any idea?  Or any idea where I could find out? would be a big help.
18:44 < RangerZ> you never spoke to them about it?
18:44 <@Bahhumbug> At least that's how it going to play out in court.  Tort law is Tort law.
18:44 < cerkit> No.
18:44 < cerkit> I was just like, I have a server, put it up there.
18:44 < cerkit> And now I don't talk to them.
18:45 < cerkit> At all.
18:45 < cerkit> Bahhumbug: I'm not sure what you mean by that.
18:45 < cerkit> Bahhumbug: Is that good for me, or bad for me?
18:45 <@Bahhumbug> it's good for you.
18:46 < cerkit> I mean technically, they can go do two clicks on Godaddy... and point it elsewhere.
18:46 <@Bahhumbug> there is in indemnification on your part.
18:47 <@Bahhumbug> if they wanted a contract or SLA (which is in itself a contract) they should have asked for and gotten one, in writing.
18:48 < cerkit> If I lent someone my PS3, I wouldn't owe them all their saved games.
18:48 < cerkit> This is essentially the same thing.
18:48 < cerkit> I've lent someone some harddrive space on a box.
18:48 < cerkit> Temporarily - with no agreement.
18:49 < cerkit> Now, I need it back.
18:49 <@Bahhumbug> bits, bolts and volts.
18:49 <@Bahhumbug> They are yours.  To do with as you see fit and as the mood takes you unless there in an indemnification clause in an enforceable contract, preferably a written one.
18:50 < cerkit> yeah, there's nothing written
18:50 < cerkit> barely anything verbal
18:50 <@Bahhumbug> (the whole of "verbal" contracts should be tossed out on lack of merit as it's always he-said / she-said bullshit)
19:15 < RangerZ> so who has better linux drivers now a days for top-of-the-line(or near it) video cards: amd or Nvidia ?
19:22 <@sdodson> My ATI 6870 works out of the box in Fedora 15 but I'm not a linux gamer. No idea what it's 3d performance is.
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23:21 <@Dagmar> sdodson: Generally when it comes to that, just imagine whatever the answer is being delivered by Pinhead.
23:21 <@Dagmar> ATI drivers usually work, but they're always cruel
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