--- Log opened Mon Jul 25 00:00:47 2011
00:05 <@Dagmar> ABout halfway through with my best deathtrap yet.  :)
00:07 <@Dagmar> EvilPig: If you thought the "Don't go in there" room was bad, this is much, much worse.
00:08 <@Dagmar> I gotta build the "final" circuit into it, but I've got a sizeable maze with a light switch.
00:08 <@Dagmar> The "final" circuit makes the lights go out after about five minutes.
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01:17 < RangerZ> dagmar is there a limit to the size of rooms you can make in minecraft? (or is it pretty much beyond what you need) (i've seen the full Enterprise D built in minecraft so... lol)
01:17 <@Dagmar> Your mouse will give out first.
01:18 <@Dagmar> In it's current state things get wonky when you start approaching maxint
01:18 <@Dagmar> So... if you ran in one direction from spawn for 30 days straight with no sleeping and stopping... you'd get to where the map generator starts to get weird.
01:31 < RangerZ> nice
01:32 < RangerZ> though i did like that one beta/alpha vid you showed from youtube
01:32 < RangerZ> basically looked like black & white quality minecraft
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08:38 <@Dickie> That's African American and Caucasian quality minecraft
08:39 <@Dickie> Let's be civilized.
08:52 <@Dickie> Or "civilised" for those of you who speak the Queen's.
09:15 <@Dagmar> lol
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10:08 <@mgalgoci> anyone know how to do a hard reset on a yealink vp-2009 without a known admin password?
10:09  * mgalgoci looks at the digium people lovingly
10:09 <@Dagmar> Does it have a button?
10:10 <@Dagmar> It's probably like most other devices,.  Find reset button, hard power off machine, push and hold button, power up device
10:10 <@mgalgoci> I looked but did not find one
10:10 <@mgalgoci> yeah that was my first thought
10:11 <@mgalgoci> there might be a magic key to hold down during boot
10:11 <@mgalgoci> there is one hole and it is the mic
10:11 <@Dagmar> If there's no reset hole, it'll generally be the power button or whatever passes for "the big button"
10:11 <@mgalgoci> I'm not sticking a paper clip in there :)
10:11 <@mgalgoci> ok
10:11 <@mgalgoci> bitchin
10:12 <@mgalgoci> hold down the "ok" key while powering up and you get the boot loader
10:12 <@Dagmar> \lol
10:12 <@Dagmar> yay
10:12 <@Dagmar> Even better
10:13 <@Corydon76-home> mgalgoci: the phone isn't configured through DHCP/TFTP?
10:13 <@mgalgoci> not this one
10:13 <@mgalgoci> it's kind of wiggy
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10:14 <@Corydon76-home> Crappy phone like Grandstream?
10:14 <@ware> like umomz
10:14 <@mgalgoci> no
10:14 <@mgalgoci> it's pretty scary, like ware's momma
10:14 <@ware> :D
10:14 <@ware> she can be intimidating at times
10:15 <@mgalgoci> it's got a very usable linux install on it
10:15 <@Dagmar> lol@ubuntu in urbandictionary
10:15 <@mgalgoci> you plug in a mouse to the usb and you get a usable mouse
10:15 <@mgalgoci> ditto for kb
10:15 <@Dagmar> 1. Ubuntu
10:15 <@Dagmar>  "Ubuntu is an african word, meaning 'I can't configure Debian'"
10:15 <@Corydon76-home> Pricey.  $400 phone
10:15 <@mgalgoci> swaheli for butt sex?
10:16 <@ware> Dagmar: ha
10:17 <@mgalgoci> Corydon76-home: I didn't buy it
10:17 <@mgalgoci> :)
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10:20 <@mgalgoci> Loading Kernel ....:OK
10:20 <@mgalgoci> Loading FileSys...:OK
10:20 <@mgalgoci> Loading System ...
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10:21 <@mgalgoci> oh yeah it's got a frame buffer that is usable too
10:21 <@Corydon76-home> Loading Application... Augh (just kidding, OK)
10:22 <@mgalgoci> the firmware for this bitch is a 40MB rar
10:22 <@mgalgoci> rar? really guys?
10:23 <@mgalgoci> and I'm getting a smoking 77KB/s from the yealink site
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10:24 <@mgalgoci> safe mode... not so safe
10:24 <@mgalgoci> I'm going to give it another 10 min before I cycle it again
10:24 <@mgalgoci> jesus yealink must be on a T1 or a dsl line
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10:26 <@mgalgoci> Corydon76-home: the phone can be had for about $300 I'm told
10:27 <@Corydon76-home> mgalgoci: It can be had for free, if the one in front of you grows legs
10:28 <@mgalgoci> it's got legs already, this is my eval unit
10:28 <@Corydon76-home> Sweet
10:31 <@mgalgoci> damn, I should have checked the FAQ
10:31 <@mgalgoci> instead of the support page
10:31 <@mgalgoci> Q: I forget the admin password so I cannot manage my phone any more. What can I do?
10:32 <@mgalgoci> A: A factory reset can restore the original password. Please type in string *#5702000# which will bring you to Keyboard Test mode and press OK button twice in this mode will bring a factory reset.
10:43 <@ware> wee
10:59  * brimstone factory resets ware
11:00  * Dagmar stabs craigslist users in the face
11:28 <@Dagmar> Bleh.  Anyone got a Xoom and can confirm whether or not 3.2 with it's SDcard support has been pushed out to the lot of them?
11:32 < RangerZ> Dagmar: i'll see if i can find out when i head up to my univ. to get paperwork from them
11:32 < RangerZ> they have some for dev.
11:33 < RangerZ> was heading up there today anyways
11:33 <@Dagmar> I think I'm screwed if I try to wait for someone to get more Transformers in, so I might as well go for a Xoom
11:34 <@Dagmar> All things considered I'll be more comfortable not buying another ASUS product, plus it appears the Xoom is a de-facto reference implementation
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12:05 <@Dagmar> I would so love to slap some sense into this guy
12:05 <@ware> d0it!
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14:17 < eryc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J74y88YuSJ8
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15:38 <@Dagmar> lol@#fuckyouwashington
15:39 < Shadow404> so anyone going to defcon want to room share/
15:39 < Shadow404> ?
15:49 <@ware> Capitalization is IMPORTANT!! Its the difference between helping your Uncle Jack off a horse, and helping your uncle jack off a horse. . .
15:49 <@ware> lol
15:49 <@ware> facebook == lulz
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17:11 < hobbes615> sup
17:11 < hobbes615> who all is going to defcon
17:11 < Shadow404> me
17:11 < Shadow404> you?
17:11 < hobbes615> indeed
17:11 < hobbes615> getting there on tuesday, flying out sunday
17:12 < hobbes615> where are you staying
17:16 < Shadow404> not sure yet, i fly non-rev, so im not guaranteed on the flight yet, so i havent booked anything till im actually airborne
17:16 < Shadow404> if i room-share, which is cool, i can guarantee im gonna be there until the the day of
17:16 < Shadow404> *cant guarantee
17:16 < hobbes615> ah gotcha
17:17 < hobbes615> im trying to find a place to crash/split cost on saturday night
17:17 < Shadow404> ah, well, im flying out thursday
19:16 < eryc> what's defcon?
19:27 < eryc> http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/07/beck-youth-camp-attacked-in-norway-like-the-hitler-youth/
19:52 <@Dagmar> eryc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEFCON
20:05 < cerkit> I really dislike this life.
20:11 <@Evilpig> cerkit: http://i.imgur.com/eifOLh.jpg
20:12  * Dagmar calls out "Dogpile on the 'people should use real names on teh internets' loser!"
20:12 <@Dagmar> "But there are very few people out there that understand the Internet better than I do, seeing as I helped build large swaths of it in 1999 and onward."
20:12 <@Dagmar> LOL
20:12 <@Dagmar> 1999?   Fucking noobs.  ROFL
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20:19 < cerkit> Evilpig: I would do that...
20:19 < cerkit> Evilpig: but, it would really hurt my family.
20:19 < cerkit> And they're good people.
20:20 < cerkit> I've tried it.  47 Nembutal don't work.
20:20 < cerkit> No matter what you mix them with.
20:21 < cerkit> You're just sick for like 4 days, after the trip to the ER.
20:21 < cerkit> Evilpig: But thanks.
20:58 <@ware> lulz
21:29 <@Dagmar> Fuckin' *pwned*
21:29 <@Dagmar> https://plus.google.com/100456288164414324490/posts
21:30 <@Dagmar> That's what I meant by "Fuckin' noobs"
21:30 < cerkit> whats so pwned?
21:30 < cerkit> looks like just another +fag to me
21:30 < cerkit> oh
21:30 < cerkit> you got comments
21:31 <@Dagmar> It's fuckin' hilarious to me that Mr. Roach basically says "Well, I've been using the internet since 1999 and I say if you don't want to use your real name you should go somewhere else"
21:32 < cerkit> Yeah, I threw some junk on my FB
21:32 < cerkit> about the plus thing
21:32 < cerkit> the ToS... and the shit they're pulling now, is pretty odd.
21:32 < cerkit> (for google)
21:32 <@Dagmar> It's media bullshit.
21:32 < cerkit> I agree with a lot of the points you make.
21:33 < cerkit> I suppose I should put you in my circle on +
21:34 < cerkit> I don't think I've ever "existed" on the Internet, and certainly not on any BBS not using some handle
21:34 <@Dagmar> Why did Felicia Day get popped on Google+?  It wasn't because she isn't using her exact birth name, it's because you take 10,000 people and put them on a blog and one or two are going to try to pretend to be her because they think it's funny, and a few more are going to dispute her identity on general principle and report the account.
21:34 < cerkit> I'm a pre99er myself.
21:35 <@Dagmar> Yet if you're a yellow journalist, you're going to wilfully overlook the obvious and spin some lurid conspiracy shit to stir up page views.
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21:35 < cerkit> It's sad that most of the people, have no ides what the Internet was like before they got here.
21:35 <@Dagmar> cerkit: A number of people in here are
21:35 < cerkit> Before the mindless were at a console to click on their ads.
21:35 < cerkit> etc etc etc etc
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21:36 <@Bahhumbug> Meh.  I don't get the whole hide behind a cloak of anonymity thing.
21:36 <@Dagmar> Having been on CompuServe at one point, I was rather glad to see CompuServe basically keep telling their users "The internet is stinky... You don't want to go *there*!"
21:36 <@Bahhumbug> but that aside, wtf is this Paul Roach guy?
21:36 <@Dagmar> Some damn newb my friend Adam apparently knows
21:36 < cerkit> I don't hide.
21:36 <@Dagmar> Adam will probably laugh his ass off at this guy when he asks about me
21:37 <@Dagmar> It'll definitely be a "You tried to tell what to *who* based on *what*?  HAHAHA!"
21:37 <@Bahhumbug> Last addr  : T0kp1JFl@190.120.238.62   - nope, not hiding.
21:37 < cerkit> uh
21:37 < cerkit> thats my ip
21:37 < cerkit> i'm not hiding
21:37 < cerkit> you never heard of null ident?
21:37 < cerkit> to randomize usernames?
21:37 < cerkit> thats called security...
21:37 < cerkit> heh
21:37 < cerkit> minalist... i agree
21:37 < cerkit> but, thats what its for
21:38 < cerkit> ( to not broadcast real usernames on this box )
21:38 < cerkit> So, no, I'm not hiding.
21:38 < cerkit> Just protecting myself.
21:38 < cerkit> Which was pretty much Dag's initial point in the post.
21:38 < cerkit> Upfronting your info can be dangerous in a global communication system.
21:38 <@Bahhumbug> I've been on networks since '81.  In that time I've never cloaked myself except for those rare times I was using a shill identity to basically fuck with someone.  Growing up on PLATO the whole concept remains foreign to me.
21:39 <@Bahhumbug> I speak only for myself here.
21:39 < cerkit> I can dig it.
21:39 <@Bahhumbug> What you and others choose to do is your business.
21:39 < cerkit> Bahhumbug: You ever had 10-12 hacker-teenages uproot your life?
21:39 <@Bahhumbug> I'm a rude, brash and obnoxious asshole quite often.
21:40 <@Dagmar> On C-Net BBSes it was practically a given that if you didn't use a handle, someone was at least going to try to look up your home phone number and call you in hopes that call-waiting would punt you off the board.
21:40 <@Dagmar> ...or just ring you up in the middle of the night to be generally annoying.
21:40 <@Bahhumbug> I've had death threats against myself.  I've had people dump my info.  I've had idiots fuck with my credit rating.
21:40 <@Dagmar> FidoNet was no different.
21:40 <@Bahhumbug> But yet every single time I invite someone to discuss it with me face to face they pussy out for some reason.
21:40 < cerkit> I learned my lessons the hardway.
21:41 < cerkit> So, now, I use some protection.
21:41 < cerkit> But, it's not hiding.
21:41 < cerkit> If there was some need to 'meet up' physically, I've done that plenty.
21:41 <@Bahhumbug> Never had anyone accept my offers to meet in person.
21:41 < cerkit> I have.
21:41 <@Dagmar> Creating a psuedonym and maintaining it over time has been the only way to avoid the nutjobs and still command any level of respect
21:41 < cerkit> A lot of times, actually.
21:41 <@Bahhumbug> I'm jealous.
21:42 < cerkit> It's how I met Rattle for the first time, in like, 1995.
21:42 < cerkit> or 1997?
21:42 < cerkit> something like that
21:42 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: Get in more arguments about say, religion, online.
21:42 <@Bahhumbug> I think we may be speaking about a different type of meetup.
21:42 <@Bahhumbug> But perhaps not.
21:42 <@Dagmar> cerkit: And you're still mainly calling him rattle, too.  :)
21:42 < cerkit> I didn't mean speciically to fight a mothefucker.
21:42 <@Dagmar> Persistance.
21:42 < cerkit> Dagmar: always :)
21:43 < cerkit> Dagmar: I rarely call him Nick.  Usuall when I'm trying to make a point and I want to humanize him more :)
21:43 <@Dagmar> Hahah
21:43 < cerkit> But, the rest of the time...
21:43 < cerkit> It's rattle.
21:43 <@Dagmar> Yep
21:43 <@Bahhumbug> Dagmar: I've played netrek for years.  I've pissed off more people than I can readily recall.  Not just aggravated, but running crying to their mommy in tears of impotent rage pissed off.
21:43 < cerkit> I call all my "old friends" like that by nick.
21:44 <@Bahhumbug> But one thing I've never done is get into it over religion.
21:44 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: "Jesse Slaughter"
21:44 <@Dagmar> I've lost count of the number of times I've seen something like that play out
21:44 <@Bahhumbug> That's a subject that I just leave alone.  I am happy to discuss it but when it starts getting argumentative I back out.
21:45 < cerkit> I have to admit, the Tri-state was an excellent environment for someone with my tastes.
21:45 < cerkit> Especially in the 90s.
21:45 <@Bahhumbug> Well, mostly.  There are a couple people I intentionally push buttons on because they are are just full of complete shit and deserve it.
21:45 <@Dagmar> She managed to expose herself to a wide enough audience, that sure enough, someone got bent out of shape enough about it to take the online argument _offline_
21:46 < cerkit> Bahhumbug: I'll give you a for instance -- you know why you don't want people to have your infoz?
21:46 <@Dagmar> ...although the results in her case were predictably more epic than most of what has come before.
21:46 < cerkit> Bahhumbug: Becuase in the window next to this one, is connected to anonops and antisec.  And as a goof, if I dropped your info... god only knows what would happen next.
21:46 < cerkit> Not everyone is cool.
21:46 <@Dagmar> Even her freakin' _dad_ became a meme on that one
21:46 < cerkit> I guess thats my side of this.
21:47 <@Dagmar> Loonies on the internet?  Check.
21:47 < cerkit> Exactly.
21:47 < cerkit> heh
21:47 < cerkit> I'd rather they be looking for "some guy called cerkit"
21:47 < cerkit> heh
21:48 <@Dagmar> Scoped out to the scale of the internet, the chance that any little thing you might do (even existing) might really piss off someone stops being a "rare event" and pretty much becomes a fixed constant.
21:48 < cerkit> btw, the friends that come thru on FB, from anon... are nuts.
21:48 < cerkit> I get like 20 or 30 friend requests a day
21:48 < cerkit> hahaha
21:49 < cerkit> You'd think they'd be against all that.
21:49 < cerkit> But, evidently not.
21:49 <@Dagmar> You've told them whose involved in the funding of that, right?
21:49 < cerkit> Dagmar: Thats the point I agree with 00% -- the Internet is written in ink.
21:49 <@Dagmar> s/whose/who's/
21:50 < cerkit> 100%*
21:50 < cerkit> You can't expect everyone to react the same to thinks you have left behind for them to find.
21:52 <@Dagmar> Actually I expect varied reactions.
21:53 < cerkit> No, but I mean the available extremes of that spectrum
21:53 < cerkit> You can't know.
21:53 < cerkit> Could be suicide bombers.. could be someone looking for lolcats..
21:53 < cerkit> could be fucking anybody.
21:54 <@Dagmar> I generally plan on having no idea how they'll react and simply understand that eventually, everything pisses someone off.
21:54 < cerkit> Thats reasonable enough, I uess.
21:54 < cerkit> guess*
21:55 <@Dagmar> If you've eaten a cheeseburger recently there's at least three large groups of people who would find that deeply offensive.
21:55 <@Dagmar> EAting a cheeseburger is a pretty innocent, commonplace thing here.
21:55 < cerkit> I would think so.
21:55 <@Dagmar> ...but you've got vegetarians who think you're a barbarian.
21:55 < cerkit> They're fucking cheeseburgers.
21:55 <@Dagmar> ...and certain groups of folks in India who would be pissed that OMG YOU ATE A COW.
21:55 < cerkit> I actually find it odd, how that works.
21:56 <@Dagmar> ...and even certain religious groups who have a serious problem with the fact that you mixed dairy and meat.
21:56 < cerkit> So, its evil for us to kill an animal and eat it, but, whatever goes on in the rest of the natural world -- shit eating other shit -- is kosher.
21:56 < cerkit> kosher*
21:56 <@Dagmar> ...and holy shit you better be glad you didn't have any bacon on that!
21:56 < cerkit> People have some funny ideas.
21:57 <@Dagmar> Yawp.
21:57 < cerkit> The coolest thing about vegetarians is, they somehow think plant matter is "okay"
21:57 < cerkit> In other words, the animals on the planet that produce oxygen... don't count.
21:58 < cerkit> I guess becuase they have no fur?
21:58 < cerkit> heh
21:58 < cerkit> That's where all that shit fails me.
21:59 < cerkit> But I could see the ecoterrists...
21:59 < cerkit> Not so happy
22:00 < cerkit> And doing thing to people that would make a statement.
22:00 < cerkit> things*
22:00 < cerkit> That's why "cerkit" eats all my cheeseburgers.
22:00 <@Dagmar> heh
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22:02 < cerkit> I wonder how Google plans to enforce this all, going forward.
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22:02 < cerkit> I mean, I would likely friend you, or you me, and beings we're of that same school of thought, neither us would report each other.
22:02 < cerkit> I can't imagine they think that the masses will crowd source that for them.
22:03 < cerkit> It would never work to scale.
22:04 < cerkit> And if they make people scan shit in, and this and that, like I was reading about... + will be MySpace 2k11 in no time.
22:17 <@Dagmar> I already have "plans".  :)
22:19 <@Dagmar> There also seems to be a bit of the old "don't make extra work for the admins" going on there
22:20 < cerkit> ??
22:20 < cerkit> How do you mean
22:20 < cerkit> ?
22:20 <@Dagmar> Well, I have some old underwear with my 'nym written on the band for starters.  ;)
22:21 <@Dagmar> Heck in my case I could easily get statements from coworkers who know my nym notarized
22:22 <@Dagmar> Yeah and there's that picture of me with Steven Hawking.  ;)
22:23 <@Dagmar> oh and like four billion changelog entries.
22:23 <@Dagmar> Proving who I am to Google won't be terribly hard
22:25 <@Dagmar> I rather suspect it's more than likely someone over there is working hard on figuring out a way to apply nickname support to Circles anyway
22:26 <@Dagmar> The main problem they have at the moment is that if someone's accused of impersonation, Google has no solid way of knowing if there's some impersonation going on or not
22:27 < cerkit> That's part of why its such a silly policy
22:27 < cerkit> If it became easily enforceable, I'd be worried about the Internet as whole.
22:28 <@Dagmar> lol even the fucking FBI could vouch for me if they could be arsed to
23:19  * eryc flags dagmar's account for review
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