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00:47 < RangerZ> anyone down there a firearm owner? is there any funky laws that I'll need to be aware of? (like having to declare to the sharrif for a riffle(which is all i have))?
00:50 < RangerZ> might be buying a new wireless router here soon, any recommendations, i have one of the old WRT-54Gs(with a pretty old Alchemy firmware), and might give it to my mom for her to use, and if I'm upgrading would like to go to N probably
00:57 <@Dagmar> And for this you need a gun?
00:58 <@Dagmar> Where the *fuck* do you shop, man?
00:58 <@Dagmar> I mean, I know I'm a little hostile with the blue shirts at Best Buy sometimes, but jeez
01:00 <@Dagmar> Mail order, dude.
01:00 < RangerZ> target practice actually
01:01 < RangerZ> NE Ohio has the best deer hunting(white tail) in the country, and I might go with my girl's family some time
01:01 <@Dagmar> Well, considering i don't really expect much of them, I just have a Netgear WGR614
01:02 < RangerZ> i could go pfSense... but i don't want to bother really playing with it
01:03 <@Evilpig> RangerZ: only thing you really need to know is don't take it anywhere near campus
01:03 < RangerZ> ok?
01:04 <@Dagmar> What, you're expecting to have to harden your wireless AP?
01:04 <@Evilpig> guns on campus are bad mm'mm kay
01:04 < RangerZ> ohh
01:04 < RangerZ> i thought you meant the router
01:04 < RangerZ> lol
01:04 <@Dagmar> You might want to compare the relative scope of those two problems...
01:04 <@Evilpig> routers on campus are bad too.  but for other reasons
01:04 <@Dagmar> Well, if you turn a rogue AP loose on campus, the ND&E guys can get kind of strict about it
01:04 < RangerZ> actually we're going to be allowed to carry guns on campus here in ohio soon
01:05 < RangerZ> atleast those with a CnC liscense
01:05 < RangerZ> but no... i'd never bring a gun to campus
01:05 < RangerZ> I live too close to Kent State :(
01:05 <@Dagmar> There really is no expectation that a determined attacker is not going to be able to compromise your wireless network remotely.
01:06 <@Dagmar> Simple WPA is probably going to be as much as that's worth
01:06 < RangerZ> WPA2 now has issues popping up from what I read
01:06 <@Dagmar> Just connect the AP to a dedicated $20 NIC on an *actual* firewall host and draw your perimiter on that
01:06 < RangerZ> though i don't know if they are just theoretical or actually usable
01:06 <@Dagmar> Don't count on a network fabric you can't physically secure to be anything more than an oblique entry point
01:07 < RangerZ> yeah
01:07 <@Evilpig> the new font on nagios is fucking with me
01:07 <@Dagmar> The only reasonable counters I've heard of are a sort of race condition.
01:07 < RangerZ> networking and security is my area of study
01:07 <@Dagmar> You have to put up ever more APs to thwart the attacker.
01:07 < RangerZ> but i don't actually buy hardware that often
01:07 <@Dagmar> When you're buying just *one* of the damn things...
01:08 <@Dagmar> Well, my NetGear replaced a LInksys 54g
01:08 <@Dagmar> I *liked* having DD-WRT on it, but I never really needed it
01:08 <@Evilpig> I need to look at a new AP soon myself.  b just isn't cutting it anymore.  heh
01:08 < RangerZ> nope
01:08 <@Evilpig> works for the wii.  that's really all i've needed it for.  oh and the DS
01:09 <@Dagmar> The thing has more throughput than my netbook, so... there is that
01:09 <@Dagmar> ...and considering I don't trust it any farther than I could throw it and do everything that matters over it encrypted *anyway*...
01:10 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: http://wiki.droplinegnome.org/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges
01:10 <@Dagmar> Check it.
01:10 <@Dagmar> Spam... motherfucking slaughtered likw Rwanda
01:10 <@Evilpig> I saw that
01:12 <@Dagmar> Yay for perl APIs
01:13 < RangerZ> i saw all the perl talk earlier, what was that about?
01:13 <@Dagmar> Finally doing something about the goddamn wiki spammers
01:13 <@Bahhumbug> RangerZ: Yay for common sense in Ohio regarding guns on campus.
01:13 <@Dagmar> Plus, I gotta start paying attention to PHP now and dropline's site is running Wordpress and MediaWiki
01:13 <@Dagmar> Wordpress I'm ostensibly supposed to be supporting soon.
01:14 <@Dagmar> MediaWiki I'd *like* to be supporting soon
01:14 < RangerZ> Bahhumbug: our "bars" one though is stupid
01:14 < RangerZ> you are allowed to carry into a bar, as long as you don't drink....
01:14 <@Dagmar> We have very dumb-ass rednecks here tho
01:14 < RangerZ> but you are allowed to drink while having a gun concealed
01:14 <@Dagmar> They *will* get stupid and shoot each other anyway.  We might as well formalize forbidding it so we can say "We fucking told you idiots."
01:14 < RangerZ> so it basically says your gun has to magically disapear when you start to drink... lol
01:15 <@Dagmar> Or that you are the designated holder for your party
01:15 <@Dagmar> One guy drives, one guy packs heat.
01:15 <@Dagmar> ;)
01:15 < RangerZ> our Republican gov has a worse NRA rating than our previous Democrat gov
01:15 < RangerZ> which is funny as hell to the GOP to hear
01:16 <@Dagmar> I suppose one guy could even do both
01:16 <@Dagmar> A responsible sober guy is not exactly a bad thing to have around when you're drinking.
01:16 <@Dagmar> A responsible, sober, and well-armed guy, even better.
01:20  * Dagmar eyes twitter.
01:20 <@Dagmar> Hopefully someone with some sense has warned Beiber to keep his fool mouth shut
01:47 <@Dagmar> Ah crap
01:48 <@Dagmar> I forgot to send that blatant naughty .doc file to myself at home
01:56 <@Evilpig> wha?
01:56 <@Dagmar> I got another malware present in the mail at work.
01:56 <@Dagmar> Man, Forefront is really cutting edge, isn't it?
01:56 <@Dagmar> heh
02:25 <@Evilpig> forefront is just annoying at best
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02:52 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: can slimes spawn on redstone wiring?
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09:51 < eryc> http://supersexycpr.com/
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12:50 < sync350> wassup all
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16:02 <@brimstone> shhhhhhhhhh we're working
16:12 < eryc> http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/Acquisitions/ksplice/index.html
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16:43 <@Bahhumbug> fucking HATE oracle
16:44 <@Bahhumbug> http://dev.centos.org/~tru/ksplice in the event anyone wants it.
16:45 <@MuskyHusky> dont we all hate them?
16:45 <@Bahhumbug> apparently there are a few that actually like them.
16:47 <@MuskyHusky> blasphemy
16:48 <@Bahhumbug> I agree.  Such people should be tied to a tree in the woods and set on fire.
16:56 < eryc> haters gon' hate
17:01 <@brimstone> Bahhumbug: what's that? the latest code?
17:01 <@brimstone> they'll have to keep the code open right?
17:03 <@Bahhumbug> they've removed all download links as far as I know.  There are copies floating around on various file sharing sites but I wouldn't trust them as there are reports already of at least 1 site that has differing md5's.
17:03 <@Bahhumbug> The link above is code provided by Jeff and the other original ksplice devs to the CentOS project a while back.  Whethere it's the newest I'm not sure, but it does work.
17:04 <@Bahhumbug> I'll be pushing rpms out in the next day or so after some testing.  As will various others.
17:18 < RangerZ> isn't ksplice the code that lets the kernel be updated on the fly?
17:19 < RangerZ> to be honest... the idea isn't that complicated, I'm kinda surprised that it took this long to come around...(i'm probably missing something of massive importance, but ehh...)
17:21 <@Bahhumbug> the underlying tech is fairly trivial.  it's the patch analysis and dep chain that's the big thing.
17:21 < RangerZ> i could see the concept being re-created as long as there isn't any silly patents in thew ay
17:23 < RangerZ> i could see that
17:23 < RangerZ> especially if they are using graph analysis, that could get pretty intensive depending on the size of the set to be examined
17:24 <@Bahhumbug> the original code base upto at least 0.9.9 is FOSS with a GPLv2 license in effect.
17:25 <@Bahhumbug> there are no, to my knowledge, underlying patents in place.  and as there is evidence of past works oracle won't be able to throw on an after-the-fact patent.
17:26 < RangerZ> true, but lately I've been reading up on software patents, and the real thickets those are causing...(look at cell phone patent war going on)
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17:26 < RangerZ> hopefully you are right though
17:29 <@Bahhumbug> the USPO is so fucked up and effectively worthless at this stage I 'spose anything is possible.
17:29 < RangerZ> though to be honest, i think the real issue that needs to addressed is drivers rather than the core OS at this point
17:29 <@Bahhumbug> the entire patent landscape is broken in most respects.
17:33 < RangerZ> the network division director of the NSF said that ~25% of illegal access(that was caught) involved exploits of network card drivers in one way or another
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17:35 < RangerZ> though who knows if that was just one study or what... but either way, it is still a lot of work to do
17:51 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: I suspect the main reason it took so long is that 1. it takes a high-level of technical knowledge to know when it's safe to do that and 2. anyone with that sort of "need" for unstoppable uptime is either stupidly obsessive about it or _they just went ahead and bought redundant whole servers anyway_
17:52 <@Dagmar> \I was a little suprised at work today because I had to practically drag pci prod/vendor codes out of someone to go look up possible root causes as to why their 4-port NIC wouldn't work
17:53 <@Dagmar> That guy would probably be able to use kexec or ksplice properly, but he "knows better" and would just have a secondary server behind his load balancer
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17:57 < RangerZ> i don't think ksplice is itself bad... but it will probably lead to bad habits... like you said... not installing redundant hardware
17:57 < RangerZ> etc
17:57 < RangerZ> though... the concept has lots of useful uses, like in space satellites... deep sea submersibles (anything you don't want to physically get to, or can't)
17:58 < RangerZ> desktop... probably not so much
17:58 < RangerZ> though i could see SONY using it to auto-update systems without warning, etc
17:59 < RangerZ> so I bet DRM will push it more than anything else sadly :(
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