--- Log opened Mon Jul 18 00:00:26 2011
00:09 <@Dagmar> It's also quite pleasing to me to be taking Sony's device and fucking it over
00:11 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: So my new start/stop design is dead in the water until/unless something gets changed with the way tracks interact with pistons
00:11 <@Dagmar> I'm not sure any change would be particularly useful tho
00:12 <@Dagmar> So like, if you have level track, and you use a piston to lift part of it, it'll do that fine
00:12 <@Dagmar> Lower the block, and the track (and other bits connected to it!) pop off
00:12 <@Dagmar> I'm not sure that makes any sense
00:12 <@Dagmar> You can push a piece of track from the side and pull it back with a sticky piston
00:12 <@Dagmar> It doesn't pop off
00:13 <@Dagmar> The piston part of the piston doesn't count as a solid block for the purposes of booster rail
00:13 <@Dagmar> So you can push the track by pushing a block of stone, but you have to push it back from the other side when you're done
00:14 <@Dagmar> That I can do, but it's ufly
00:14 <@Dagmar> er ugly
00:14 <@Dagmar> It would just be much easier if I could lift the block behind the cart and bring it back down without breaking everything
00:17 <@Dagmar> I did make some progress on *de*lighting The Not-So-Deep Roads
00:19 <@Dagmar> I've got the lava that lights it up being covered properly.  Now I have to work out a tidy circuit to power when the lava is coveered so that there's a single light source above that blinks
00:19 <@Dagmar> The general idea being that some traps are obvious and some just *turn out the lights as far as the eye can see*
00:41 <@Evilpig> stupid java
00:54 <@Dagmar> Insidious is pretty creepy
00:56 <@Evilpig> the ending was the only creepy bit
01:02 <@Dagmar> I dunno.  I liked the bearded nerd's reaction.  :)
01:02 <@Dagmar> He just about wet himself when he saw those two little girls.
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02:15 < RangerZ> aww crap Casey Anthony apparently is up here in Youngstown
02:16 <@Dagmar> Well, you know she's single and she likes to fuck
02:17 < RangerZ> her family member owns a major car dealership up here
02:19 < RangerZ> ahh... reading up on it, i didn't realize her dad was a police detective in the next county over
02:25 < RangerZ> ...should have seen this coming... but coming to the 3rd most dangerous city for its size in the country... not ideal place for someone like her who everyone hates, lol
02:42 <@Evilpig> I could care less where she is
02:42 <@Evilpig> I don't understand the hate everyone seems to have for someone they don't know and who doesn't affect their lives even in the slightest
02:43 < RangerZ> b/c the kid was cute
02:43 < RangerZ> and there was video of the kid playing
02:43 <@Evilpig> didn't look cute to me
02:43 <@Evilpig> looked like a pain in that ass that still shit itself
02:47 < RangerZ> to be honest, the phone hacking story in the UK is of much more world importance
02:48 <@Dagmar> Oh yes
02:48 <@Dagmar> Looks like some people are going to get their asses handed to them there
02:49 <@Dagmar> They were doing shit meddlesome kids would have known better than to do
02:49 <@Dagmar> I mean seriously?  Some little girl disappears and they go and fuck with her voicemail?
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02:50 <@Dagmar> ...and not just listen to it, they actually deleted a few messages to make room for more.
02:50 <@Dagmar> WTF
02:51 <@Dagmar> That shit is pretty much the reason they made it illegal to spoof ANI here
02:52 < RangerZ> well the tabloids had too much power in the UK
02:52 < RangerZ> and Murdoch owned most of the powerful ones (gaurdian is about the only exception... and is why it broke this story)
02:54 < RangerZ> what i'm glad to see, is that every crime they did over there, they are responsible over here in the US too
02:55 < RangerZ> b/c the company is incorporated in the US
02:55 < RangerZ> (well atleast the bribery charges, and any phone hacking of US citizens)
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09:47 <@Dagmar> LOL
09:47 <@Dagmar> The towing people are actually relieved I'm not having the scooter towed.  Heh
10:00 < eryc> Dagmar: well its not like she was going to be deleting them
10:00 < eryc> someone had to do it!
10:06 <@Dagmar> Yeah but who's to say that what wasn't important to a nosy reporter was something important to the police.  Something like "Hey Sally, meet me at the library as usual."
10:06 <@Dagmar> ...which might be where Sally got snatched from.
10:07 <@Dagmar> Remmebr it's *usually* someone the victim knows
10:15 < eryc> I just don't understand why people can't get past this
10:15 < eryc> No one is talking about the Pentagon's hacking scandal!
10:15 <@Dagmar> We *expect* the gov't to snoop on us and fail at security at the same time
10:15 <@Dagmar> We don't expect reporters to pillage our shit
10:16 < eryc> I'm pretending to be Fox and Friends
10:16 < eryc> Did you see that video with the PR guy?
10:16 <@Dagmar> Er... no idea what you're talking about, so probably no
10:16 < eryc> http://www.boingboing.net/2011/07/17/fox-friends-lash-out.html
10:16 < eryc> oh you'll love this
10:17 <@Dagmar> Holy shit they've just lost their minds
10:22 <@Dagmar> What does that guy do before going in front of the camera?  Huff diesel fumes?
10:26 <@Dagmar> Also, let's hear it for muscle cramps making me think I was having a heart attack
10:26 < eryc> its the gas bubbles that really get me
10:30 <@Dagmar> http://memegenerator.net/instance/8908010
10:31 <@Dagmar> Well, I apparently pulled somethign under my left pectoral
10:31 <@Dagmar> Sharp *stabbing* pain when I inhaled
10:31 <@Dagmar> It finally *popped* and quit entirely a few minutes ago
10:32 < eryc> sounds like a gas bubble
10:32 <@Dagmar> *whew(
10:33 <@Dagmar> A gas bubble in a chest muscle?
10:33 <@Dagmar> Hmm... guess that could be
10:33 < eryc> thats about the location that i get them
10:33 < eryc> it freaks me out and i hold me breath
10:35 <@Dagmar> It was stretching to move the handlebars that unstuck it
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10:38 <@ware> REAL piece of work
11:06 <@Dagmar> *jawdrop* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9-lJzFZ72I
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13:30 <@Dagmar> I get the feeling that if I went outside and started pushing the vehicle I'd have more luck with getting it to Autohaus
14:07 <@Dagmar> So... six and a half hours later, my car is on the tow truck
14:07 <@Dagmar> *facepalm*
14:10 <@Dagmar> Silly girl trying to say my failed Seagate disks are a picnic issue
14:11 <@Dagmar> Backstory: GOogle+ thread from someone wanting a flame war er census of opinion about whether to go with WD or Seagate.
14:11 <@Dagmar> Two chicks post saying they've had tons of WD failures.
14:11 <@Dagmar> Two guys post saying they've had tons of Seagate failures
14:12 <@Dagmar> I'm thinking that Seagate hates men.
14:14 <@Dagmar> I'm not seeing a whole lot of point in going into the office for two and a half hours
14:52 <@Dagmar> Still gonna do it tho
14:52 <@Dagmar> Just gonna eat some sammiches first
16:23 <@brimstone> what's with msrpc hanging out on 49152-7?
16:23 <@brimstone> anyone else seen this from a vista box?
17:03 < rattleXXw> That's standard game for w7, vista, and 2008.  They use 49152-65535 for RPC now.
17:03 < rattleXXw> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/179442
17:04 <@brimstone> weird
17:04 < rattleXXw> And yes, it's really quite annoying as it's hard to build a firewall policy around.
17:04 <@brimstone> how so? just open up all of the ports to that box
17:04 <@brimstone> nothing important is above 1024 anyway
17:04 < rattleXXw> And no, virtually nothing can preform stateful inspection on it.
17:05 < rattleXXw> I just open up 49152-65535.
17:06 <@Corydon76-home> Why does your Windows machine need to communicate with RPC outside of the firewall?
17:06 < rattleXXw> I've been toying with the idea of using PPTP or IPSec between AD DC's for their inter AD communication, simply to be able to get better network layer control of it..  But I've yet to do it in pratice.
17:06 <@brimstone> probably internal firewall?
17:07 < rattleXXw> If your firewall has an "inside" and an "outside", you are doing it wrong.
17:08 < rattleXXw> There may be "untrust", but there is no "trust".  You should have DMZs and user segments..  And there should never be severs on user segments.
17:09 < rattleXXw> Anyway..  Regarding RPC from clients to things like exchange..  It tends to be limited to 49154-9, so you can usually get away with that.
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17:21 < rattleXXw> btw..  I'll have a segment in my PhreakNIC talk about internal network firewall policy.
17:22 <@brimstone> wouldn't it be a good idea to firewall internal servers though?
17:22 <@brimstone> incase one gets popped, you don't lose all of them?
17:22 <@brimstone> you limit your creamy nugget center that way
17:22 < rattleXXw> You _always_ want to have internal firewalls.
17:22 <@brimstone> (use that analogy in your talk)
17:22 < rattleXXw> ALWAYS
17:23 < rattleXXw> At the very least, you want your administrators and users on separate user segments.  And all servers on a separate segment from users and admins.
17:24 < rattleXXw> The worst situation you can ever be in, is to have a breech on your hands, and have nothing to work from that you can't trust.
17:24 < rattleXXw> The segment admins sit on shouldn't be able to be accessed from _anything_.
17:25 < rattleXXw> And all communication between users and servers should be governed by policy, and logged.  Otherwise, you've got zero change of scoping a compromise.  Let alone limiting lateral movement.
17:26 <@brimstone> will you cover tip, tools and tricks for getting and maintaining a handle on this?
17:26 < rattleXXw> Anyone who's got less than three user segments and three server segments is doing it wrong.. :)
17:26 < rattleXXw> I'm planning to give a talk that can basically be described as APT 101.
17:27 <@brimstone> Alabama Public Television?
17:27 < rattleXXw> Advanced Persistent Threat
17:27 <@brimstone> ah
17:29 < rattleXXw> I have a general "talk" I've given about a dozen times, that I craft to audience when I give it.  Done everything from foreign officials overseas, to business analysts, to techs.  Overall theme is always strategy and tactics for dealing with APT.
17:31 < rattleXXw> SEIM, network segmentation, egress traffic control and analysis, naming control, trust architecture, understanding the compromise kill chain, et cetera..
18:00 < rattleXXw> Well, damn.  @LulzSec
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19:16 < cerkit> Rev Rattle over here.
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19:42 < cerkit> sshhhh... anonymous... ssshhhh
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20:30 <@Dagmar> Hahahahah
20:33 < cerkit> ?
20:33 < cerkit> Someone must have told a joke using invisible ascii again.
20:33 < cerkit> :( I hate when I miss it.
20:34 <@Dagmar> No.  Laughing about lulzsec going after Murdoch's paper
20:34 < cerkit> oh yeah.
20:34 < cerkit> They've been fucking him all night.
20:35 <@Dagmar> A shame the sites are down
20:35 < cerkit> it was necessary to prevent continuous release of false news
20:35 < cerkit> as i understand it
20:35 <@Dagmar> What was Murdoch doing?
20:35 < cerkit> what do you mean?
20:36 < cerkit> that caused this?
20:36 <@Dagmar> I've been ignoring everything about Murdoch's paper other than the "the vultures are circling"
20:36 <@Dagmar> What false news are you talking about?
20:36 < cerkit> Oh.
20:36 < cerkit> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/07/lulzsec-takes-on-the-murdoch-empire-with-sun-hack-fake-death-claim.ars
20:37 < cerkit> they began by releasing a story where he died
20:37 < RangerZ> News of the world was hacking voice mails of crime victims, celebrities, and KIA solders' families
20:37 < cerkit> after getting high on palladium
20:37 <@Dagmar> I mean, with the insane-o shit FOX has been saying ... ahhh
20:37 < cerkit> after beating up their servers that way, for a while
20:37 < cerkit> they got ddos'd
20:38 < cerkit> and they took themselves offline
20:38 < cerkit> i sit on those irc networks
20:38 < cerkit> so, i get it real time, hehe
20:38 <@Dagmar> Well, I figured they'd have to give up after a few hours of not being able to regain control of their shit
20:38 <@Dagmar> I thought you were talking abotu some other false news
20:38 < cerkit> well it's the CDN part of it, that makes it so tricky
20:39 < cerkit> you can't just "stop" the presses anymore
20:39 <@Dagmar> With the insane-o shit FOX has been spewing about it, I strongly suspect that they were probably into some shit WITH the Sun's people
20:39 < cerkit> they're running within distributed content clustering
20:39 <@Dagmar> ...and it would serve them fucking right if emails were leaked that incriminated a whole bunch of them
20:39 <@Dagmar> Meaning Sun employees incriminated
20:40 < cerkit> i won't be shocked by news like that
20:40 <@sdodson> cerkit: how so? you mean syndication or just edge caching?
20:40 < cerkit> they've been getting their whole network jumped for a while now
20:40 <@sdodson> cerkit: we can clear our edge in < 7 minutes
20:40 < cerkit> sdodson: this is all of it - not just the edge
20:40 < cerkit> sdodson: they had control of everything for a while
20:41 < cerkit> i'm sure they were down though entirely within 10-15 minutes of getting the order too though
20:41 < cerkit> newscorp employees a lot of lackies
20:42 < cerkit> employs*
20:42 < cerkit> sorry, lot of windows going, heh
20:42 <@sdodson> cerkit: how you been?
20:42 < cerkit> sdodson: okay, i guess, how about you?
20:42 <@sdodson> cerkit: doing my best
20:42 < cerkit> my life basically sucks, i've just accepted it
20:42 < cerkit> so it sucks a little less
20:43 <@sdodson> what makes it suck?
20:43 < cerkit> honestly?  me.
20:43 < cerkit> at least, most of the time.
20:44 <@sdodson> interesting bit of introspection
20:44 <@sdodson> not that it's hard to pick up, same here, but it seems like it'd be easy once you know what's going on
20:44 < cerkit> "i'm like... older and wiser and stuff"
20:44 < cerkit> it's not
20:44 <@sdodson> damn kids these days are smart
20:45 < cerkit> identifying something as a problem, is a good first step, but it doesn't mean shit in immediately providing any life changing solutions.
20:45 < cerkit> basically, when you're an asshole, like i am, people know it.
20:46 < cerkit> there's not too many ways around that, except not being asshole - i'm not real good at that
20:46 <@sdodson> So HP came to the offices today to show off their touchpad. AFAIK nothing they said was NDA. So they said the Pre3 isn't due till September. :(
20:46 <@sdodson> so far i've pulled off a lot of life changes in July. Mostly as a result of my 30th birthday and saying "ok, i need to straighten my shit out"
20:47 < cerkit> that's good
20:47 < cerkit> 30 was a shitty birthday for me
20:47 < cerkit> it was like saying goodbye to immaturity - real immaturity - once and for all
20:48 <@sdodson> ya, for some reason when i go out now i look at the mid 20s kids and think i shouldn't do what they do.
20:49 <@Dagmar> In other news, Felicia Day on Eureka.  :)
20:49 < cerkit> well, my thing is, i can tell where i am in life, by how many friends I have.
20:49 <@sdodson> hot
20:49 < cerkit> if i have a lot of friends, i'm probably about to lose my job, or my car, or where i live or something.
20:50 < cerkit> if i have none, all that other stuff is likely perfectly secure - i just have no friends.
20:50 <@sdodson> i've thrown away a lot of friendships as i've moved on to new stages of my life, i've decided i'm going to try to keep up with as many friends as possible from this point forward.
20:50 < cerkit> i can't manage both very well
20:50 <@sdodson> go to college, forget everyone, move away for a job, forget all my college friends, etc.
20:50 < cerkit> i jus got some people off on friday
20:51 < cerkit> cut some*
20:51 < cerkit> it's a regular thing for me.
20:51 < cerkit> i usually meet a whole clique - drop a whole clique down to 0 friends - and start over
20:51 < cerkit> think of this channel, for instance.
20:52 < cerkit> right now, i have 0 friends.
20:52 < cerkit> so i'm on IRC
20:52 < cerkit> haha
20:52 <@sdodson> we can be bffs
20:53 < cerkit> it's cool - i'm okay alone.  i just program more.
20:53 < cerkit> and read more.
20:53 < cerkit> but this is kindof a fun story, i guess.
20:53 < cerkit> so, last weekend, i went to my friend's house, we were playing drinking games.
20:54 < cerkit> his ex-girlfriend is staying with him, because of some issues at home
20:54 < cerkit> he's still madly in love with her
20:54 <@Dagmar> You have friends.
20:54 < cerkit> so, drinkings all done, people are all fucked up - i ask the ex-girlfriend to go to breakfast with me.
20:54 <@Dagmar> We're all just a bunch of fucking introvevrts.
20:55 < cerkit> things happen at breakfast
20:55 < cerkit> a texting love affair ensues for about week, wherein i find out this "friend" has been lying to me, and stealing from me
20:56 < cerkit> so, last friday, i cut the dude off, and told her, when she moves out maybe we can talk
20:56 < cerkit> and now... i'm back to 0 friends.
20:57 < cerkit> Dagmar: I dig it, man.  I just mean beyond ASCII is all.
20:58 < cerkit> now that i told that story, its time for a few sleeping pills.
20:58 < cerkit> the emotional stress is still fresh, and i need to fucking sleep.
21:00 < cerkit> blah.
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21:52 <@Evilpig> fighting a rather new strain of some malware here tonight.  my mother-in-law sent me her laptop and it's got some malware that started by hiding all the contents of the hard drive and it hijacks all search engine results with random nonsense
21:52 <@Evilpig> malware bytes didn't detect anything, microsoft security essentials, same story
22:04 <@Bahhumbug> sysinternals autoruns is a wonderful tool.
22:05 <@ShadowHntr> anyone here play with debian on sparc?
22:08 <@Evilpig> i'll hit that up next
22:11 <@Bahhumbug> Lately I've also been having some good results with updated spybot S&D finding stuff that malwarebytes is missing.
22:14 <@Evilpig> i used to use spybot but haven't had the need the last few years.  also a good suggestion  I had forgotten about that
22:14 <@Evilpig> hopefully this will be the last interaction I have with my mother in law.  the divorce should be final in the next couple of weeks
22:16 <@Evilpig> turns out microsoft security essentials found something after all.  Win32/Chepvil.K
23:05 < RangerZ> http://www.lavasoft.com/ used to be decent, haven't tried it out lately , but i install spybot, ad-aware, avg, and clam AV for windows
23:05 < RangerZ> i don't have them all auto-run, but having them there and installed is a nice backup incase all hell breaks out
23:06 < RangerZ> anti-virus 2010(etc*) is a real PITA
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23:26 <@Evilpig> cleared out everything I can find.  something is still getting the search results...
23:26 <@Evilpig> it's really odd.  search something.  click link... link starts to load then redirected
23:26 <@brimstone> i saw that happen on a box once
23:26 <@brimstone> we just slapped the guy's wrist and rebuilt it
23:27 <@Evilpig> I am probably going to rebuild it.  problem is ibm didn't send discs for this.  the backup image is a windows img file on the drive itself...
23:27 <@Evilpig> that image could very well be infected now, and I would have to connect it to another machine in order to restore from that.
23:28 <@Evilpig> might just order a set of restore discs if it coems down to it.  don't want to play whack a mole with Win7 versions to get one that her key will work on
23:32 <@Evilpig> to make everything that much better...  it appears my air is yet once again malfunctioning
23:35 <@Evilpig> why is hijackthis an installer now and not just an exe?
23:35 <@Evilpig> that thing was great because you could just run it and solve many problems
23:41 <@Evilpig> not removing whatever this is.  time to wipe.
23:58 <@Evilpig> guy just showed up and recharged the gas from 25psi to 75psi
23:58 <@Evilpig> I have a slight leak it seems.  they were just out here to do that just about a month ago
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