--- Log opened Mon Jun 27 00:00:52 2011
00:04 <@Evilpig> criticalmass: what's up?
00:04 <@Evilpig> meeting will be this friday at J&J's market
00:04 <@Evilpig> i'd tell you to hit the website but there's currently an issue with it.
00:05 <@Evilpig> SOMEONE TRACK DOWN JONNYX!
00:11 <@dasunt> NP!
00:27 < criticalmass> yea
00:27 < criticalmass> i know jonnyx
00:27 < criticalmass> i know actually a lot of u
00:27 < criticalmass> lol
00:27 < criticalmass> when is the next meeting i just moved to nashville
00:28 < criticalmass> i spoke at phreaknic
00:30 <@Bahhumbug> http://u-is-spelled-you.com
00:33 < RangerZ> what u talking about?
00:33 < RangerZ> lol, sorry...
00:33 <@Bahhumbug> :)
00:34 < criticalmass> lol great site
00:36 <@Evilpig> that should be younotu.com
00:36 <@Bahhumbug> I had to bury the png image on there; too many people whined and cried about it.
00:37 <@Bahhumbug> Actually I just resurrected the original site that disappeared a while back.
00:40 < RangerZ> so sorta(a bit ago) talking about phreaknic, whats it cover, just infosec stuff?
00:40 <@Evilpig> everything
00:41 <@Evilpig> infosec, sci-fi, anime, social engineering
00:41 < criticalmass> its awesome con ranger
00:41 < criticalmass> i may do a social engineering talk again
00:41 < criticalmass> we should do a social engineering contest
00:41 < criticalmass> lol
00:41 <@Evilpig> criticalmass: we have something in the works.  ;)
00:41 <@Evilpig> notlarry has been working on a social engineering project for the weekend
00:42 < RangerZ> "who can convince the hotel staff of other hotels to do the most to take down their network"?
00:42 < criticalmass> lol i need to get with notlarry on some SE stuff
00:42 < RangerZ> lol.... not that i'm talking from experience or anything.... lol
00:42 <@Evilpig> lemme page him and tell him to look at irc.
00:43 < RangerZ> but really... hotel staff is about the easiest target on earth
00:43 <@Evilpig> disagree
00:43 <@Evilpig> hotel guests are far easier
00:43 < RangerZ> touché
00:44 <@Bahhumbug> most humans, in general, aren't very bright.
00:45 < criticalmass> thats true
00:45 < RangerZ> i remember one night we got a call from a hotel... someone had taken their _entire_ server rack and just unplugged everything and rolled it out f there
00:45 < criticalmass> i once did a SE job walked into a huge trucking company and walked out with all there info. i said i was a college student
00:46 <@Bahhumbug> heh, Teamsters.
00:47 <@NotLarry> what?
00:47 < criticalmass> hey
00:47 < criticalmass> i heard u are working on some SE stuff
00:47 < criticalmass> and i wanna help ya out
00:49 < criticalmass> if that is ok with u
00:49 < criticalmass> :)
00:54 < criticalmass> http://www.it-networks.org/2011/06/27/phreaknic-15-call-papers/ word for word off the site
00:54 < criticalmass> but its up
00:55 < criticalmass> i am off to bed i will hit u all up later
00:55 < criticalmass> you*
00:58 <@Evilpig> thx
00:58 <@Evilpig> later
01:07 < RangerZ> i'd give a talk on android or something, but access control models aren't really the thing most people care about, lol
01:12 < RangerZ> bit too academic
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03:04 < sync350> howdy
03:04 < Mercster> hi there
03:04 < sync350> wassup
03:05 < Mercster> nada, catching up on dvr'd jeopardy!
03:06 < sync350> haha nice
03:09 < Mercster> it's the only gameshow i watch, but i watch it religiously
03:09 < Mercster> trivia is awesome
03:10 < sync350> Fuck yeah, I haven't watched Jeopardy in a while
03:12 < Mercster> i usually dont catch it when it plays, but i dvr them and then watch 2-3 in a row
03:29 < sync350> So what part of the south east are you from?
03:36 < Mercster> knoxville
03:37 < sync350> Ah right on
03:49 < RangerZ> is there a train(or other mass transit) between knoxville and nashville?
03:49 < RangerZ> (actually between TN's major cities)*
03:49 < Mercster> trains? lol. no, but maybe a greyhound
03:50 < RangerZ> King Kasich killed our high speed rail up here in ohio
03:51 < RangerZ> and i figured the same would happen down south too(where-ever repubs were in executive seats), and from what i've seen most of TN is republican
03:51 < RangerZ> other than nashville, lol (but thats just from one electorial map i looked at
03:52 < Mercster> im *definitely* not a republican
03:52 < Mercster> im much farther to the right than republicans
03:52 < RangerZ> facist is about the only thing right of a neo-con
03:52 < Mercster> 'fascist', and yes, im a fascist
03:53 < RangerZ> lol
03:53 < RangerZ> anyways... i was hoping TN has good mass transit
03:53 < Mercster> im not kidding
03:54 < Mercster> nope
03:54 < RangerZ> but from what i've seen nashville's bus system is horrible
03:54 < Mercster> well nashville may, i dont know
03:54 < Mercster> knoxville's bus system is pretty limited
03:54 < Mercster> i used to live in omaha, nebraska, and their bus system was pretty great
03:54 < Mercster> ran 24/7 and covered most of the city
03:54 < Mercster> but places like knoxville just arent set up for that sort of thing
03:55 < Mercster> omaha is a grid, everything's flat, and it's much bigger (as far as the metropolitan area goes)
03:55 < RangerZ> yeah
03:56 < RangerZ> nashville is actually tiny to me
03:56 < Mercster> bottom line is, there just isnt the demand for a big bus system in knoxville
03:56 < RangerZ> geographically
03:56 < Mercster> and i just read a story tonight that was saying they're cutting it down even more
03:56 < RangerZ> though it has like 7x the population of where i'm from
03:57 < Mercster> some places are mass-transit oriented, some places are car oriented
03:57 < Mercster> just depends
03:57 < RangerZ> more NE you get the better it gets
03:58 < RangerZ> Ohio is about the dividing line of
03:58 < RangerZ> (where i'm from)
03:58 < Mercster> i have friends who live around boston, they dont even own a car
03:58 < Mercster> they ride the trains everywhere
03:58 < RangerZ> i had friends who didn't get their DL's until they were 23 or so in boston
03:58 < Mercster> yea
03:59 < RangerZ> i lived in berkeley for 2 months
03:59 < RangerZ> that was nice
04:00 < RangerZ> all students get free unlimited bus rides, and the sub (BART) was cheap/nice
04:04 < RangerZ> huh... wow apparently nashville is larger than my entire county... but it really seems smaller
04:04 < RangerZ> maybe thats b/c of the freeways
04:05 < RangerZ> ehh, i've been rushing when down there so far, moving in aug for school
04:18 < Mercster> well
04:19 < Mercster> knoxville "proper", the city limits or what could be called "downtown, is tiny
04:19 < Mercster> but if you count up all the suburbs and neighborhoods that surround knoxville, it's pretty big
04:20 < RangerZ> i was just looking on wiki, that probably includes all the "incorporated" lands of the suburbs
04:21 < Mercster> whereas somewhere like omaha has less outlying neighborhoods, but the actual city is much larger
04:22 < Mercster> ends up comparable
04:22 < RangerZ> i like what detroit and alot of the other rust-belt cities are doing
04:22 < Mercster> whats that
04:22 < RangerZ> and tearing down entire city blocks of abandoned/etc property
04:23 < RangerZ> and letting people grow community gardens there
04:23 < RangerZ> even going through the trouble of de-toxing the soil, and all
04:23 < Mercster> they'd probably be better off trying to attract businesses that would hire people
04:24 < Mercster> instead of some hippy dippy garden shit
04:24 < RangerZ> well, its an accumulative thing
04:24 < RangerZ> you can focus resources other places where you would want to invest in business
04:24 < RangerZ> plus then you don't have to provide city services to that area
04:24 < Mercster> community gardens are a nice idea and all, but people would probably appreciate jobs more
04:24 < RangerZ> including trash/water/snow plow
04:25 < Mercster> a nice factory
04:25 < RangerZ> LOL
04:25 < RangerZ> i live up here
04:25 < RangerZ> we have TONS of factories
04:25 < RangerZ> all empty
04:26 < RangerZ> we could tear down 1/2 of them and still have a surpluss
04:26 < RangerZ> thats one thing we don't need
04:26 < Mercster> yeah but those factories are probably fitted to make stuff noone needs, or things that have been supplanted by imports
04:26 < Mercster> build a factory fitted to make things people need/want
04:27 < RangerZ> not really, Youngstown, was the steel capitol of the world post-wwi for ~20 years
04:27 < RangerZ> well the surrounding counties, but still
04:27 < RangerZ> and they are actually coming back here to pour windmill blades
04:28 < RangerZ> b/c the factories here are the largest available that can pour giant molds like they need
04:28 < RangerZ> so they are refitting 50~100 year old plants for that and (natural gas)pipe pouring
04:29 < Mercster> well, factories, strip malls, whatever you wanna build...i cant imagine a community garden doing much more than serving the egos of high-income hippies who want to grow their own organic tomatos and cucumbers
04:29 < Mercster> where's the growth
04:29 < Mercster> where's the jobs
04:29 < Mercster> hell, build a wal-mart
04:29 < RangerZ> it is in low-income neighborhoods, and really helps them provide good healthy food for their children, etc
04:30 < RangerZ> I agree that a "magic factory, that makes 1000s of jobs" , but that isn't going to happen
04:30 < RangerZ> its one of the reasons why cities are becoming smaller, is they are finally accepting that fact
04:30 < Mercster> ok well, now it's my turn to pull experience out of my hat...ive lived in low income neighborhoods most of my adult life, and they dont want gardens :)
04:31 < Mercster> only rich people care about growing their own vegetables
04:31 < Mercster> we have enough farmland and enough distribution channels to feed everyone, healthily, in the US twenty times over
04:32 < RangerZ> we could feed everyone in the world if we stopped this silly ethenol subsidy
04:32 < RangerZ> sure, it is propping up some corn farmers, but thats about it, while it hurts the rest of the agricultural industry
04:33 < RangerZ> my girl's dairy farm has had to spend 2x as much on corn the past few years, and small independent farms like hers can't afford to do that
04:34 < Mercster> isnt corn considered a low-quality feed for beef?
04:34 < RangerZ> i honestly don't know, i kinda just nod off when she starts rambling... lol
04:35 < RangerZ> they feed them mostly the hay they grown themselves, but supplement it for vitamins, etc
04:35 < Mercster> well that's a good illustration of how the issue is more complex than most people can absorb
04:35 < Mercster> all im saying is, community gardens arent gonna do shit for the economy, or for poor people
04:35 < Mercster> of which i am one
04:36 < RangerZ> i didn't say the city was "doing" it
04:36 < RangerZ> just allowing it, if the people wanted
04:36 < RangerZ> the city is just consolodating
04:36 < Mercster> right, and most people dont
04:36 < Mercster> so what happens to the land
04:36 < Mercster> it just sits there
04:36 < Mercster> i live in a high-rise for poor/disabled/old people, we have a little community garden, noone uses it
04:36 < RangerZ> isn't in detroit, nor here
04:37 < RangerZ> maybe we're outside the norm
04:37 < RangerZ> i don't know
04:38 < RangerZ> i plan on growing crops when i have my own land, but thats not b/c i "care" about growing them myself, but just to keep the cost down
04:38 < Mercster> instead they use their foodstamps at the local convenience store, spending 3x the normal amount for cheap/quick food, and/or trading their foodstamps for drugs
04:38 < Mercster> it's less of an economic problem and more of a social problem
04:38 < RangerZ> ehh foodstamps is more a subsidy for farmers anyways, lol
04:39 < RangerZ> (one that i agree with, one of the few)
04:39 < RangerZ> like pork prices are controlled by the fed. gov't, to keep it profitable to raise pigs
04:40 < RangerZ> the problem with just saying that is bad, is b/c in times of need, you need the people who were already raiding livestock to be doing so, you can't "start" new cattle, lol
04:41 < RangerZ> raising*
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04:44 < Mercster> hi Bahhumbug
04:45 <@Bahhumbug> 'lo
04:50 < sync350> Anyone here go to the Atlanta 2600 meeting at Lenox?
05:11 <@the_hugme> I do... but nobody else shows up
05:12 <@the_hugme> I will be in New York friday this week however so I'm not going to make it
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06:43 <@juice> hi
06:44 <@the_hugme> hello
06:44 <@juice> this new computer is crazy
06:44 <@juice> i2600k processor
06:45 <@juice> i7 2600k that is
07:15 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:25 <@the_hugme> morning!
07:29 <@Dolemite> what's shakin'?  Have a good weekend?
07:49 <@the_hugme> it was, getting ready for a trip to new york
07:49 <@the_hugme> you?
07:52 <@opticron> juice, sandy bridge?
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12:54 <@Corydon76-home> http://i.imgur.com/mKlNb.jpg
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15:15 <@Dagmar> Watch carefully for the caption on this video... LOL http://www.boingboing.net/2011/06/27/paramount-sends-copy.html
15:18 < eryc> is that a vibrating cock ring
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18:05 < Mercster> get thee to a nunnery
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21:20 <@Evilpig> is catonic bullshitting right now?  he tweets that he's drunk and going to another bar then later tweets that he just wrecked the car
21:42 < sdodson> 12:21 <@r3> go to http://nmcourts.gov/caselookup/, selecting Search by Case Number, and entering D 202 CV 201105486
21:42 < sdodson> 12:21 <@r3> and look for the case brought by the person named RADICAL FUCK CENSORSHIP SUPERNIGGER NIGGER MISTER(I)
21:42 < sdodson> Evilpig: he gets off on driving recklessly, so i wouldn't be surprised.
22:02 <@Dickie> I don't get it. Was he changing his name to that or from that?
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