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05:27 <@Evilpig> we have string!
05:28 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: grant and I found a double dungeon...  which is amazing on its own.  one of the spawners is a spider spawner!  wooo!
05:29 <@Evilpig> collected like 80 string ina couple of minutes
06:23 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:57 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: I think I finished the schedule page
06:58 <@Dolemite> about time you stop futzing with it!
06:59 <@Evilpig> well I had a few days when I had no drive and no creative ability
06:59 <@Evilpig> my brain power was missing
06:59 <@Evilpig> http://www.phreaknic.info/pn15/schedule.php
06:59 <@Evilpig> still haven't linked into the rest of the site but I won't do that til I have a more final schedule and not a bunch of test items
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08:22 <@Dagmar> Jesus h christ
08:23 <@Dagmar> I gotta get my adrenaline levels down
08:23 <@Dickie> fap
08:23 <@Dagmar> Not really a solution
08:24 <@Dagmar> Yesterday when I got home, I had no hot water
08:24 <@Dagmar> ...and I don't mean it was all cold, I mean nothing came out of the hot water tap
08:24 <@Dagmar> The idiot contractors downstairs had accidentally turned off my hot water line and left it off.
08:25 <@Dagmar> So I called the landlady and explained I had no hot water and was asking where the crawlspace entry was so I could go investigate and troubleshoot, and I Find out her husband (who was a really nice guy) had just died of cancer
08:25 <@Dagmar> So... I found out where I needed to go, climbed under the damn building and turned my hot water line back on,
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08:26 <@Dagmar> Then I left a rather polite note explaining that they should exercise caution in which valve they cut off because they'd gotten mine by mistake.
08:26 <@Dagmar> I wake up this morning to muted hammering at 7:25am...
08:27 <@Dagmar> I go to start a shower... NO HOT WATER.
08:27 <@Dagmar> *click* FURIOUS ANGER MODE ENGAGED
08:27 <@Dagmar> It's a good goddamn thing I saw myself in the mirror while I was pulling on clothes to go down there
08:28 <@Dagmar> I couldn't go down there looking like that or people would run away screaming
08:28 <@Dagmar> Fire engine red, hair sticking up every which way...
08:29 <@Dagmar> I punched the floor twice and bellowed through it
08:29 <@Dickie> I hate floors
08:29 <@Dickie> You need an outlet.
08:29 <@Dagmar> Everything still feels like it's made of tissue right now
08:30 <@Dagmar> What I need's a freaking tranquilizer, but I also have to get on the bike and go into the office, so that's out
08:31 <@Dagmar> Yeah I have hot water now
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08:31 <@Dagmar> I dont' think I got to 120db because I'm a little out of practice, but I got pretty damn close
08:32 <@Dagmar> I just hope I didn't give any of my neighbors a heart attack
08:48 <@Dolemite> Are you not in the apartment complex anymore?
08:54 <@Dagmar> I am still there at Rock Harbor
08:55 <@Dagmar> ...and thanks to some last minute sanity checks, I didn't just kill some guys with their own tools.
08:57 <@opticron> it could have made for interesting news :/
09:01 <@Dagmar> Yeah But I'd be in jail for a loong time, or probably the nuthatck
09:01 <@Dagmar> er nuthatch
09:01 <@Dagmar> It took a loong time but they finally found my last nerve
09:50 < e2> is that what the zipper on pants is for?
09:50 < e2> the nuthatch
09:50 < e2> lulz
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16:28 <@Dagmar> Okay, the reports about one of those looted docs being about instructing cops to check people's phones for recording apps tells me I'm downloading that shit tonight
16:39 < RangerZ> i honestly think they should be more afraid of android phones
16:40 < RangerZ> than iphones, b/c android you could run services that are secretly recording and wouldn't show up
16:40 < RangerZ> (unless you run a task mang., etc)
16:40 <@Dagmar> I'm pretty sure *most* of "our people" can make that happen with any damn phone
16:40 <@Dagmar> ...but that they're having officers look at people's phones like that for *no legitimate reason at all* can probably get them fucking sued all by itself.
16:41 < RangerZ> there is some odd precedent for that
16:41 <@Dagmar> Talking about "later forensic imaging efforts" doesn't mean shit
16:41 < RangerZ> if your screen isn't locked, the police can do whatever they want
16:41 < RangerZ> but need a warrant to do more
16:41 <@Dagmar> No, you're wrong.
16:41 < RangerZ> 9th c circuit court of appeals
16:41 < RangerZ> earlier this year
16:42 < RangerZ> (yes it is cali, but as far as i know, no other cases have made it that high)
16:42 <@Dagmar> Which will likely be overturned yet again
16:42 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ: that assumes the voice recorder is running as an Android app.  If it's running in the background as a C app (very possible on Android), many task managers won't see it
16:43 < RangerZ> yes, i was assuming non-rooted devices for the lay-person
16:43 <@Dagmar> The police most certainly can not "do whatever they want" with your phone just because the keypad wasn't secured with a keycode
16:44 < RangerZ> i agree with you, and it is bad forensics
16:44 <@Corydon76-home> True.  Plain view is the rule
16:44 <@Dagmar> If that shit was in your pocket, not plain view.  If the screen was blanked and the keypad in a 'pocket-safe' mode, that also qualifies as not being in plain view.
16:45 < RangerZ> just that most legal issues don't catch up to "reality" quickly
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16:45 <@Corydon76-home> Also why you should stream your voice recordings to a secured site
16:45 <@Dagmar> Acting like a bitch and throwing your hands up about it isn't the correcr response either.
16:45 < RangerZ> like the guy who hid his SD card in his mouth as the police stomped on his phone after he recorded the shooting down in FL on mayday (or whenever)
16:46 <@Dagmar> Corydon: more importantly, what justifcation does a cop have for altering the data on your phone in any way
16:46 <@Corydon76-home> "You're not searching my vehicle" is the right response to "May I search your vehicle?"
16:46 <@Dagmar> There's plenty of precedent that cops will attempt to destroy evidence even when they're not doing anything wrong.
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16:46 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: None, but given that the burden of proof is on you that the cops messed with it, protect your evidence
16:46 <@Dagmar> exactly.
16:47 <@Dagmar> The only thing I don't like about the mp3 player on my bike is that it's too many keypresses to make it start recording audio
16:48 < RangerZ> well now you just want to help copyright thieves
16:48 < RangerZ> lol
16:48 <@Dagmar> Being that I'm pretty damn careful about my vehicles and how i conduct myself on them, I start from the default position of 'this cop is dirty' if I am getting pulled over
16:48 < RangerZ> which is the argument that some give against being able to record in public
16:48 <@Dagmar> RangerZ" "some give".  Please name "some"
16:49 < RangerZ> brb
16:49 <@Dagmar> Figures.
16:49 <@Dagmar> 'Some say', 'Critics say', 'I just made this shit up.'
16:49 < RangerZ> i'm looking you terd, lol
16:50 <@Dagmar> You are more than likely only going to find some jackass using the 'some say' gambit
16:50 <@Dagmar> Repeating it doesn't make it not crap
16:50 < RangerZ> ehh
16:50 <@Dagmar> It's very easy to get suckered into repeating their crap
16:51 < RangerZ> it was the continuation of why they don't want to allow photography in public places
16:51 < RangerZ> first was "terror" then they pulled "pirates"
16:51 <@Dagmar> There's *never* a reason that stopping that to be legal.
16:51 < RangerZ> i can't find the article, but when i do, i'll link it
16:51 <@Dagmar> If you're in a public place that you have a right to be in, you're allowed to record.
16:52 <@Dagmar> If it's a place like a movie theater which isn't as public as all that, things change, but a city street?  They can't stop you.
16:52 < RangerZ> i agree thats how it SHOULD be, but there was a push for that to not be the case
16:52 <@Dagmar> Which failed.
16:52 <@Dagmar> One of the more sinister tools of oppression is to trick people into doing their own oppression.
16:53 <@Dagmar> Don't let people sucker you into it
16:53 < RangerZ> http://gizmodo.com/5553765/are-cameras-the-new-guns
16:53 < RangerZ> i'm not 'letting' anyone sucker me into anything
16:53 <@Dagmar> So what
16:54 < RangerZ> just being aware of the going ons around me
16:54 < RangerZ> they often use "public disturbance" to stop the filming, etc
16:54 < RangerZ> and wiretap laws
16:54 < RangerZ> which are vague, etc
16:55 <@Dagmar> Actually read the article
16:55 <@Dagmar> There's also the small matter of we continue to have states passing laws which are not themselves legal
16:55 < RangerZ> yes they are
16:55 < RangerZ> within that state
16:55 <@Dagmar> ....which means the charges will simply not stick so long as you didn't get your lawyer out of a cereal box
16:56 < RangerZ> "how dare you infringe on a state's rights
16:56 <@Dagmar> Again, read the goddamn article and actually pay attention to the gaps in logic
16:56 < RangerZ> .... you socialist marxist fascist"
16:56 < RangerZ> lol
16:56 <@Dagmar> Gizmodo doesn't often tart things up, but they have in this case
16:56 < RangerZ> which was my personal fav. attack against the president , lol
16:57 < RangerZ> I think you are taking this too seriously, It is a serious matter, but one that needs to addressed in the court and electoral systems
16:58 < RangerZ> All i was stating, is how the 'silly' laws have fallen into place, not that I agree with them
16:58 <@Dagmar> No, you were trying to play Devil's advocate to no useful point
16:59 <@Dagmar> Don't confuse being contrary with sensible discussion, man
16:59 < RangerZ> sure
17:00 < RangerZ> I'm sorry that you didn't find how recent court cases have gone to be useful, but thats up to you, sorry
17:00 <@Dagmar> All this crap that goes on, every bit of it where cops do something illegal and people can't immediately figure out that cops destroying evidence is _cops destroying evidence_ is more of that self-oppression
17:00 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Get acutally fucking hassled by the cops a few times and then come talk shit
17:01 < RangerZ> thankfully that wouldn't ever happen up here
17:01 < RangerZ> down there maybe
17:01 <@Dagmar> I wish I lived in fuckin' Disneyland
17:01 <@Dagmar> Half the time I know more of the law than the cops I'm dealing with
17:01 < RangerZ> i'm not saying its perfect up here, just that my last name is right
17:01 < RangerZ> (not MY family, but cops don't know that)
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17:04 < RangerZ> but in general, the police and me, leave each other alone, I've been fortunate in that (I Just hope that continues in nashville)
17:17 <@Dagmar> Stay away from Belle Meade if you drive an old car
17:17 <@Dagmar> They'll pull you over for looking poor
17:18 <@Dagmar> ...and let me assure you there are corrupt cops here.
17:18 <@Dagmar> Of this I can be damn sure.
17:19 <@Corydon76-home> This is why you should get involved in local politics... get hassled, and you can use a connection to hassle back
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18:25 < sdodson> srsly
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19:54 <@Dagmar> I dunno man, it kinda paid off to actually have connections on the criminal side of things for me
19:54 <@Dagmar> Probably because I'm picking about only dealing with the sort of criminals who have standards.
19:54 <@Dagmar> s/picking/picky/
20:27 < sdodson> kooley high?
20:45 < RangerZ> now thats odd, they found whitey bulger with 30+ guns and 100 rounds... only a 100
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23:17 < RangerZ> http://www.socialfacepalm.com//socialfacepalm/1106/-social-facepalm-1307315715.jpg gotta love some good yahoo questions trolling
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