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06:34 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:35 <@Evilpig> shut your mr0ning face!
06:35 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: I have an interesting query plugin to show you
06:35 <@Dolemite> Seal that breach of a hole you call a mouth!
06:39 <@Evilpig> heard you had another cyber attack over there at oak ridge
06:40 <@Evilpig> well more specifically Y-12
06:40 <@Dolemite> There are attacks every day
06:40 <@Evilpig> successful attacks
06:40 <@Dolemite> Not what I read, but I don't have anything to do with Y-12.
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09:01 <@Evilpig> anyone know of a quick script or feel like cobbling one that can read in a directory and its subdirectories.  make an index of all the files then grep through all the js, html, php files and identify the unused garbage?
09:05 <@opticron> "find .|egrep '\.js$|\.html$|\.php$'" should get you all the js, html, and php files
09:05 <@opticron> replace that first . with the directory you want
09:06 <@opticron> not sure what you mean by "unused garbage"
09:10 <@Evilpig> I know how to find all the js. html and php files. 
09:10 <@Dolemite> You want a spider script
09:11 <@Evilpig> I need a list of everything, all the images, etc then run that list over/through the .js,.html,.php and figure out which of those files aren't being referenced.
09:11 <@Dolemite> it will identify all of the files actually referenced by others
09:11 <@Evilpig> yes.
09:11 <@Dolemite> then you'd need the inverse result of that
09:11 <@Evilpig> I can do it by hand but ugh.  basically when i've been worknig on the PN site i've made a royal mess of the backend
09:11 <@Dolemite> BIG BOOMER COMIN' DIS WAY
09:11 <@Evilpig> bits here when I tried, X, bits there when I did something else then replaced other stuff
09:11 <@Dolemite> Looks like Thunderstorms for lunch
09:12 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: check that speaker page again.  added a link for hte json export and name plates.  also linked it into the rest of the site.  I think that part of the site is good enough to go live
09:12 <@Dolemite> You do realize that at some point you've got to stop fucking with the pages, right?  lol
09:13 <@Evilpig> yeah yeah
09:13 <@Evilpig> I've got a few months yet.  HA!
09:13 <@Evilpig> besides I just got hte speaker page mostly working yesterday
09:16 <@Evilpig> besides you know by now, I tend to get all compulsive when I work on some things.  at least til they are done to what I feel is satisfactory
09:21 <@Dickie> what about when someone criticizes it?
09:22 <@Evilpig> fuck em
09:22 <@Dickie> Because it doesn't have *near* enough lense flare.
09:22 <@Dolemite> There can never be enough lens flare
09:23 <@Evilpig> I did use blink... doesnt' that count?
09:23 <@Evilpig> and one animated image too
09:23 <@Evilpig> if you use IE
09:24 <@Dolemite> what is this link that just got posted to the root list?  spams?
09:24 <@Evilpig> wha?
09:25 <@Evilpig> I've got nothing, yt
09:25 <@Evilpig> yet
09:26 <@Evilpig> yes apparently spam.  interesting
09:27 <@Evilpig> I would say that guy either has a virus and is spamming his inbox or spammers are starting to subscribe to lists
09:28 <@Evilpig> http://www.larpspace.com/abraxus
09:29  * Dickie casts magic missle
09:30 <@Evilpig> it appears to have only gone out over nashville2600 list
09:33 <@Evilpig> weird part is I still haven't gotten that email.  must have gotten caught up by the microsoft spam filter
09:44 <@Corydon76-home> How long was he subscribed?
09:44 <@Evilpig> no idea
09:51 <@Evilpig> guess I better get some sleep
09:59 < Dagmar> Goddamn head of McAfee even has the balls to TALK about APT
09:59 < Dagmar> Sooo full of RAGE today
10:04 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: how is that different from any other day?
10:05 < Dagmar> Today is a day I could probably wring out my hair and bottle it
10:15 <@Evilpig> guess it's time ot call and yell at comcast again.
10:16 <@Evilpig> of course fixing one bag pigtail in my apartment didn't fix the packet loss when I didn't have a signal problem to begin with
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10:32 <@Evilpig> turns out i'm not crazy.  dude just pulled up a log that shows my modem has been dropping alot of random packets
10:39 <@Dolemite> That's a fallacy.  Yes, your modem has been dropping packets, but you are also crazy.
10:39 <@Evilpig> 523 packets transmitted, 495 received, 5% packet loss,
10:40 <@Evilpig> the guy here yesterday tried to blame my firewall.  so last night at work I setup two pings.  one to my firewall and one to the router address.  I bet you can guess what I saw
10:51 <@Dolemite> pink elephants?
10:51 <@Dolemite> oh, you mean with the packets
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--- Log opened Wed Jun 15 11:47:15 2011
11:47  * the_hugme bangs his head against the desk
11:47 <@the_hugme> why is support so awful
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11:52 <@Dolemite> yay, realtor says that we should be getting an offer on our Smyrna house within 24 hours.  Here's hoping it's not another lowball trying to get foreclosure pricing out of us, when we're nowhere near that desperate.
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11:57 <@the_hugme> smyrna? georgia?
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12:08 <@Dolemite> TN
12:08 <@Dolemite> Smyrna, TN is to Nashville as Smyrna, GA is to Atlanta
12:09 <@Dolemite> http://www.realtracs.com/PropertyDetail.aspx?PropertyClass=RES&DMQL=(AreaID%3d|21%2c22%2c23%2c24%2c25%2c26%2c27%2c28%2c29%2c30%2c31%2c32)%2c(StreetNumber%3d509)%2c(StreetName%3d*Mountain%2520View*)%2c(ListingStatusID%3d1)%2c(OfficeListIsActive%3d1)%2c(IsListedOnInternet%3d1)&AreaID=21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32&MlsNum=1265270&Digest=2WPeDGe/GraVyhL+wChlmw
12:16 <@the_hugme> looks nice
12:22 <@Dolemite> thanks.  will look even nicer under someone else's mortgage.
12:32 <@the_hugme> Real estate is tough right now... there is no way I would sell in this market
12:43 <@Dolemite> well I don't exactly need 2 houses at the moment
12:45 < RangerZ> i'll rent to own it for 400/month
12:45 < RangerZ> ;)
12:46 < RangerZ> though it does look nice
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14:17 < Dagmar> Sheeet
14:17 < Dagmar> Fucking HVAC dude that doesn't understand STP.
14:17 < Dagmar> Will wonders never cease
14:22 <@Evilpig> god damnit.  I'm almost certain now the cause of my issues is the modem.  
14:24 <@Evilpig>     Packets: Sent = 2104, Received = 2104, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
14:24 <@Evilpig> GRRRRRRRRRRRRR
14:25 <@Evilpig> tech is trying to tell me there is something creating signal feedback and they don't know what it is and that is the cause.
14:27 < Dagmar> That's a side effect of using testing equipment while his head is up his ass
14:27 < Dagmar> The anal cavity causes signal echoing
14:28 < Dagmar> A *smart* guy would say "Oh, someone probably connected a distribution amp wrong."
14:28 <@Evilpig> just annoyed that I can get the phone support on.  they and see I have definitely been sustaining at least 5% packet loss to their interface, not my firewall interface.  and then the tech shows up and once again tells me there is no problem but he is gonna swap equipment anyway, etc
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--- Log opened Wed Jun 15 15:58:17 2011
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15:58 <@Evilpig> Ithink I am up and going now
16:00 <@Bahhumbug> replace the modem?
16:02 <@Evilpig> yeah
16:02 <@Evilpig> the new one has gigabit ports.
16:03 <@Evilpig> turns out somehow my receiver was feeding back some kind of noise to the cable box which was in turn feeding back into the cable network.
16:03 <@Evilpig> causing a little trouble but not my issue.
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--- Log opened Wed Jun 15 16:09:45 2011
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16:10 <@Evilpig> weird.  irssi just crapped itself there
16:41 <@brimstone> what model modem are you using now?
16:42 <@Evilpig> sec lemme pull the model
16:42 <@Evilpig> it's an smc something, I think
16:42 <@brimstone> docs 3 and all that jazz?
16:43 <@Evilpig> dunno.  the online interface for it has everything but the model.  lame
16:43 <@brimstone> it'd be interesting to find a device that supported docsis 3, had 8 ports with vlan tagging support, two wireless radios and a usb port for a NAS
16:43 <@Evilpig> smc networks  hw ver 1.01  fw 1.4.0.49.2-CCR
16:43 <@brimstone> oh, and a UPS that lasted 8 hours or so
16:43 <@Evilpig> lol
16:43 <@brimstone> and ran linux
16:44 <@brimstone> with a nice gui
16:44 <@brimstone> openwrt or something
16:44 <@brimstone> then, i wouldn't have cables going everywhere
16:44 <@Evilpig> smcd3g-ccr
16:44 <@Evilpig> docsis 3
16:45 <@Evilpig> http://www.smc.com/index.cfm?event=viewProduct&localeCode=EN_USA&cid=2&scid=20&pid=1678
16:48 <@Evilpig> some of the little jokes in this game are cracking me up.  a chick in the middle of the room going "I really like pie.  apple, cherry,  3.14 something something, I like that flavor the best!"
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17:00 <@Evilpig> power is nowhere near stable
17:01 <@brimstone> are there any docsis 2 or 3 pci cards?
17:01 <@brimstone> that just show up as a nic in linux?
17:05 <@Evilpig> no idea
17:06 <@brimstone> google says "LOL NO NEWB"
17:06 <@brimstone> apparently there are docsis 1 pci cards
17:06 <@brimstone> but everyone's all "just take apart your SB5101 and put it in your case"
17:07 <@coil> yah do it
17:07 <@brimstone> huh, does cisco make any docsis 3 hardware?
17:08 <@brimstone> that'd get me close
17:08 <@coil> so close
17:08 <@coil> dont...stop..
17:08  * brimstone hoses down coil
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20:45 <@sdodson> brimstone: be sure that run off doesn't make it into the storm sewer, it's toxic
20:47 <@coil> rude
20:47 <@coil> y u so asshole
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20:48 <@sdodson> coil: fur is toxic
21:00 < Dagmar> Copy protection is murder!
21:01 <@sdodson> Dagmar: how so?
21:01 <@brookshire> that's a stretch
21:01 <@sdodson> http://www.youtube.com/user/grizzlybearband good moozik?
21:01 <@coil> mmm bears
21:03 <@brookshire> that was the worst music ever, just saying
21:05 <@coil> ya pretty bad
21:06 <@brimstone> k
21:07 < RangerZ> nah, there is worse music, ever been to a 4th grade choir concert? lol
21:07 <@coil> LOLZZZZ
21:08 <@brookshire> i was in choir in the 4th grade :(
21:08 < Dagmar> Jesus I suspect I need to sit down and deconstruct all the apologist crap people are spewing about lulzsec
21:08 <@brookshire> totally offended
21:08 < Dagmar> "Lulzsec is raising the issue of IT security at executive levels - which is useful - but not many Australian organisations have pots of cash sitting around that they can dive into for extra IT security budget. And they certainly don't have slack headcount just sitting on their hands waiting to spring into action."
21:08 < Dagmar> Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/security/there-is-no-security-hackers-take-down-cia-site-20110616-1g4om.html#ixzz1POulYkH4
21:08 <@coil> i dont want to read more
21:09 < RangerZ> someone i know thinks lulsec is IT Security people, just making a stink, to sell their products
21:09 < Dagmar> Seriously, that's no more a sensible fucking statement to mak ethan "It's terrible that people get raped and entire neighborhoods are burned to the ground, but what the fuck is the gov't supposed to do?  Pay people to uphold fucking laws?  That's expensive!"
21:09 <@brookshire> i'm begining to think lulzsec is just anonymous 2.0
21:09 < Dagmar> Like, NO SHIT, but not putting the manpower and money on it is irresponsible as fuck
21:10 < RangerZ> sometimes i debating joining the CIA cyber unit
21:10 < RangerZ> just to screw with trolls, lol
21:10 < Dagmar> Hell it might well be the fucking CIA pretending to be a pack of loon hackers
21:10 < Dagmar> Surely nothing fucking else is getting people's attention, and goddamn botnets and APT are entirely out of control
21:11 < RangerZ> how dare you spread those falsehoods, how dare you insinuate the windows is insecure
21:11 < RangerZ> especially when they just gave my congressman 20,000$
21:11 < RangerZ> lol
21:12 <@brookshire> seems like most of the hacks lulzsec has been doing was not windows
21:13 < RangerZ> so far, i've only seen $_GET[] attacks
21:13 < RangerZ> but i don't really follow it
21:15 <@brookshire> what else do you expect from 4chan
21:16 < RangerZ> reydick
21:18 < Dagmar> Well, if that's all it takes to break into these big places, we're long overdue for ass whippings
21:19 < Dagmar> When you're approximating (which we are in Minecraft because only boring-ass skyscrapers are square) you often have to exaggerate features and aspects to "get the point across"
21:19 < RangerZ> a place i used to work, at one point was pushing out ~25% of the spam in the US
21:19 < RangerZ> b/c it had a single open SMTP relay
21:19 < Dagmar> @!#$@ I need to eat something so I can see where the fucking channel indicator is
21:20 < eryc> is that from #minecraftfanboiz
21:22 < RangerZ> the USS Enterprise i saw in minecraft was pretty cool, but you can' only really do exteriors and have it look good
21:22 < Dagmar> No, I was trying to explain to someone why his pagodas were looking sort of watery
21:23 < Dagmar> RangerZ: Yeah there was a FancyPack mod that added a shitload of furniture/decorations
21:23 < Dagmar> Notch needs to add something liike that because it's really hard to not wind up with "WAREHOUSE WORLD" as the over-arching theme
21:24 <@sdodson> brimstone: really, you no like?
21:24 < RangerZ> i'd like to see smaller blocks, but thats anti-the theme
21:24 <@brimstone> k
21:24 < Dagmar> I'd like to see smaller blocks.
21:24 < RangerZ> maybe 1x1 CM^3 blocks
21:24 < Dagmar> Maybe keep most of the actions manipulating 1m chunks, adn make the granularity for everything else to be ..5m
21:24 < Dagmar> er .5m
21:24 < RangerZ> completely destroy people's loads of worlds, lol
21:25 < Dagmar> going much farther than half a meter would make the memory issue REALLY FUCKING SERIOUS
21:25 < Dagmar> Remember, this voxel shit trades vast sums of RAM for performance
21:25 < Dagmar> _vast_ sums
21:25 < RangerZ> yeah
21:25 <@sdodson> damnit, brookshire != brimstone
21:26 <@sdodson> my eyes don't know this
21:26 < RangerZ> but its not as bad as raytracing
21:26 <@brimstone> sdodson: we're practically the same really
21:26 <@sdodson> brimstone: oh, he's a newb too?
21:26 < Dagmar> RangerZ: Raytracing just burns CPU and stack
21:26 <@brimstone> is that all i am to you?
21:26 < eryc> yes
21:27 <@brookshire> ha! we're both matt
21:27 <@brookshire> brookshire is kinda my last name though
21:27 <@brookshire> *kinda*
21:27 <@sdodson> kinda
21:27 < Dagmar> RangerZ: MC mainly keeps track of about 144 "chunks" at any given moment.
21:27 <@sdodson> virtually
21:27 < Dagmar> Each of those is 128m high, and 16x16m
21:28 <@sdodson> arguably
21:28 < RangerZ> its really the same concept that many MMOs have been using for a while
21:28 < RangerZ> only load the local 'sub-zone's
21:28 < Dagmar> No, they at least get away with using large polygons
21:29 < Dagmar> So we're looking at 4,718,592 IF and only if everything "cost" us only 8 bits, but it doesn't.
21:30 <@sdodson> math is hard, lets go shopping
21:30 < Dagmar> There's a lighting value to sstuff in there, and a "fill-in-the-blank" value for whatever additional data might need to be there (which way a torch faces, etc)
21:31 < Dagmar> Computers have come a long way, but that still comes out to a pretty sizeable chunk of raw data
21:31 < eryc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HScYuRhgEJw
21:31 < Dagmar> The main advantage to drawing it is that it's a fixed amount of effort.
21:32 < Dagmar> Just doubling the chunk height to make things a bit more epic (seriously, 64m mountains ain't that damn tall) gets ouchy
21:33 < Dagmar> Going to 0.5m granularity multiplies that by eight.
21:33 < Dagmar> We could "get there" but then the minimum requirements would turn into quad core with 4Gb of RAM for _single player_
21:33 < Dagmar> heh
21:34 < Dagmar> You'd have to call the bank, and then IBM, in that order to buy a server
21:34 < eryc> how many players are typical?
21:34 < Dagmar> Not a whole lot
21:35 < Dagmar> There's some people running servers capable of 60+ players, but god help them if everyone's in the same place at once
21:35 < eryc> i picked up some 12 core 64gig boxes recently for cheap
21:35 < Dagmar> ...and Notch keeps doing things to the chunk-shipping code that regularly goes nuts
21:35 < Dagmar> Again it seems to be sending the wrong damn chunks repeatedly
21:36 < Dagmar> Hopefully the next update will fix it (again).
21:36 <@sdodson> eryc: about $5k
21:36 <@sdodson> eryc: ?
21:36 < Dagmar> Definitely the next update will get us "pistons" with which you may crush people to death.
21:36 < Dagmar> This I like.
21:37 <@sdodson> are you conversing with someone?
21:38 <@sdodson> wrong windar
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21:47 <@sdodson> http://hassonybeenhackedthisweek.com/ OMG IT CHANGED!
21:56 < e2> YEAH
21:56 < Dagmar> Lulzsec's been busy playing with call-forwarding on a line getting 1,000 calls an hour
22:14 <@brookshire> okay.. i'm about 99% sure lolzsec is 4chan.. .they pay tribute to /b/ for everything
22:22 < Dagmar> There's a lot of people on 4chan
22:22 < Dagmar> Some of them even lead productive lives
22:27 < Dagmar> Not many, I suspect.
22:37 <@brimstone> .@)20
22:41 < Dagmar> You don't say.
22:41 <@brimstone> i've been known to
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22:45 < RangerZ> so anyone good with 'awk'?
22:45 <@brimstone> lol awk
22:46 <@brimstone> i've played with it some
22:46 < RangerZ> ***    ps -eF | grep "emulator -avd" | head -n 1 | awk '{system("echo -9 -pid "$2); }'    ***
22:46 <@Dagmar> Most of us, I thought
22:46 <@brimstone> what's up?
22:46 <@brimstone> O.O
22:46 < RangerZ> i can't seem to get the command to work
22:46 <@Dagmar> I second that brimstone.
22:46 <@brimstone> what are you trying to do!?
22:46 < RangerZ> i get the right PID, but the echo works right
22:46 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Perhaps we should be asking "What the fuck are you trying to do?"
22:46 <@brimstone> surely there's a better way
22:46 < RangerZ> but when i put kill in there
22:47 <@Dagmar> I'm *certain* there's a better way
22:47 < RangerZ> (to kill the android AVD when it won't kill itself )
22:47 <@Dagmar> One that doesn't even involve awk
22:47 <@brimstone> there's this handy little tool called killall
22:47 <@brimstone> and pkill
22:47 <@brimstone> and pidof
22:47 <@Dagmar> You know you can get ps to just hand you the pid alone, right?
22:47 <@brookshire> if you had my phone, it would just kill all the apps for you... speaking of which.. i probably need to update my rom
22:47 < RangerZ> i'm not a HUGE linux user, i just cobble together stuff, lol
22:48 <@brimstone> RangerZ: it shows :)
22:48 < RangerZ> but thats not a 'bad' way of doing it, it is logical in its flow
22:48 < RangerZ> lol
22:48 <@Dagmar> ps -C emulator -o pid=
22:48 <@Dagmar> Sprinkle with backticks, precede with kill
22:48 <@Dagmar> No, that *is* a bad way of doing it
22:48 <@brimstone> $() > `
22:49 <@Dagmar> brimstone: Too much typing
22:49 <@brimstone> i think it reads cleaner
22:49 <@Dagmar> These are shell scripts.
22:49 <@Dagmar> Minor differences aint going to help
22:50 <@Dagmar> It's a bad way of doing it because there's a bunch of completely unnecessary steps happening
22:50 <@Dagmar> Like, let's take `head` for example
22:51 <@Dagmar> It doesn't really get you anything
22:51 < RangerZ> ohh i didn't mean "efficiency"
22:51 <@Dagmar> kill will take a list of pids just fine
22:51 < RangerZ> i meant, it got me close
22:51 < RangerZ> lol
22:51 <@Dagmar> ...and if there's more than one of them in the first place, why kill only one of them, since it'll basically be selected at random
22:52 <@brimstone> pssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssst: killall emulator
22:52 <@brimstone> DONE
22:53 <@brimstone> move on with your life
22:53 <@Dagmar> That, too
22:53 <@Dagmar> heh
22:53 < RangerZ> lol
22:53 <@Dagmar> Don't feel bad
22:53 <@brimstone> all you were missing from that last line was a call to sort and wget
22:54 <@Dagmar> There's someone else who is sometimes in here who I caught recently using awk to do simple math
22:54 <@Dagmar> I didn't even understand what I was seeing at first
22:54 <@Dagmar> My brain just refused to believe it
22:54 < RangerZ> ohh no, i DO know how to do math in Bash/c/korn
22:54 <@brimstone> i have a irc bot in ##gen written in awk that plays UNO!
22:54 <@Dagmar> brimstone: lol
22:54 <@Dagmar> sort & wget heheh
22:55 < RangerZ> this is why i got out of admin'ing and into theory stuff, lol
22:55 <@Dagmar> Also, we're talking about space-separated fields, right?
22:55 <@Dagmar> You can (basically) bless those into a list
22:56 <@Dagmar> $LOLS[2]
22:56 < RangerZ> yeah
22:56 <@Dagmar> IIRC it's something like $HOHO = ( $IFSSEPARATEDCRAP )
22:57 < RangerZ> i've actually written a converter from C to SH at one point, which is why i knew 'of' awk, and was trying it out
22:57 <@brimstone> oh yeah, you can dick with $IFS too
22:57 <@brimstone> that's fun
22:57 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: There's times to use awk, and they're generally when you have to not only snatch an argument from a list, but to also do some string manipulation on it at the same time
22:58 <@Dagmar> ...and also generally for some reason you've accidentally uninstalled sed.
22:59 <@Dagmar> The rule of thumb is that if awk is the last step in the chain of logic, you're probably doing something wrong-headed unless it's supposed to just spew to the display
22:59 <@Dagmar> Like trying to do associative arrays in bash
22:59 <@Dagmar> Nothing good can possibly come of it
22:59 <@brimstone> also, if you have awk in the same pipe line as grep, you're doing somethign wrong
22:59 <@Dagmar> That, too
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23:26 <@brookshire> "set sail for fail"
23:26 <@brookshire> i stole that from LulzSec
23:33 <@Dagmar> Here's a little something to keep in mind: http://bash.org/?942841
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