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17:48 < Dagmar> Disney fail: http://calmdowntom.com/2011/06/top-5-fails-of-e3-2011/
17:48 < Dagmar> They clearly faked their "live" demo
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18:34 <@Evilpig> wtf?  windows update, 3 important updates available 930MB...  
18:45 < Dagmar> Mine's been wanting to install SQL Server 2005 Express Edition Service Pack 4 for ages
18:45 < Dagmar> Despite that I uninstalled that months ago
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21:48 <@sdodson> I don't understand people who distro hop five times a week and do nothing but bitch about bugs in each distro without filing any bugs.
22:10 <@sdodson> Evilpig: what were they?
22:11 <@Evilpig> something with vb runtimes and sp1 for win7
22:11 <@sdodson> well ya sp1 is going to be large
22:12 <@sdodson> afaik sp1 doesn't offer anything more than a rollup of previously release patches, so if you've installed other patches since you may expect to have to re-install them
22:12 <@Evilpig> it didn't take very long.  was just a pita to have to reboot,etc
22:13 <@sdodson> eh, expect a lot of patches this tuesday as well
22:13 <@sdodson> 17 or so
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22:34 < uSynx> looking for some job market advice
22:34 < uSynx> how important are certs for mgmt level positions in the IT field
22:35 < uSynx> im very seriously considering getting out of the AF after an 8 year stint as an raited officer
22:38 <@Dickie> an raited?
22:38 <@Dickie> I'm considering the reserve.
22:39 < uSynx> flyer
22:39 <@Dickie> Ah. Not necessarily command, but since you fly you have to be an officer, right?
22:40 < uSynx> there are enlisted flying jobs
22:40 <@Dickie> Did not know that.
22:40 < uSynx> for transport type aircraft there is Flight Engineer and Load Master
22:40 < uSynx> both enlisted
22:40 <@Dickie> heh...Load Master
22:41 < uSynx> there is Tanker Boom Operator (person who flys the boom)
22:41 < uSynx> and there is also Sensor Operator and Gunner on gun ships
22:41 < uSynx> i think the sensor is enlisted
22:41 <@Dickie> ...but pilot
22:41 < uSynx> in the USAF you must be an officer
22:42 <@Dickie> right
22:42 < uSynx> in the Army you can be a Warrent Officer and fly Helos
22:42 < uSynx> im actually a Nav
22:42 <@Dickie> Yeah. No warrants in the AF
22:42 <@Dickie> ...USAF
22:42 < uSynx> correct
22:43 < uSynx> hrm i wonder if i could get a job with the NTSB
22:44 < uSynx> whats got you considering the reserves?
22:44 < uSynx> more specifically what type of job in the reserves
22:45 <@Dickie> lulz
22:45 <@Dickie> Nah, just a little extra cash and discipline
22:46 < uSynx> thats a big step for just a little extra cash
22:46 <@Dickie> Don't really care about the job. I have a BS in Computer Science, so I have a skillset that would put me someplace I'm good.
22:47 <@Dickie> I haven't really talked to a recruiter yet.
22:47 < uSynx> officer is the way to go for sure
22:47 < uSynx> although less technical type of job sets unless you fly
22:47 <@Dickie> Well, if I were to say that I admire the idea of joining the service, but got sidetracked by school, and I secretly wish to get deployed...people get all judgey.
22:48 < uSynx> understood
22:48  * Dickie shrugs
22:48 <@Dickie> It's an experience I wanted and missed.
22:48 < uSynx> well if you are serious id talk to AF Guard or Reserves
22:49 <@Dickie> I am, and will.
22:49 < uSynx> its been a great experience for me, im just getting tired of the active duty BS
22:49 < uSynx> not been deployed to any combat zones though due to my airframe but thats not necessary a bad thing for me
22:50 <@Dickie> Less than 2% of all casualities of the recent conflicts have been AF, counting Reserve and Guard
22:51 <@Dickie> I'm not really worried about dying, which is what a lot of people keep bringing up.
22:51 < uSynx> oh, thats not what keeps me happy out of the combat zone
22:52 < uSynx> its the lifestyle, im perfectly content not moving every 4 years and spending 6+ months at a time deployed
22:52 < uSynx> im looking for something more stable at this point in life
22:52  * Dickie nods
22:52 < uSynx> not too many civilian jobs for navigators though haha
22:53 < uSynx> im not even sure im qualified to serve peanuts on a delta flight
22:53 < uSynx> :(
22:55 <@Bahhumbug> sdodson: you read fedora-devel?
23:08 < Dagmar> Dickie: You heard anything about what's plaguins Ackis?
23:08 < Dagmar> er plaguing
23:08  * Dickie pokes brimstone
23:08 <@brimstone> wat
23:08 < Dagmar> Oh I'm not asking someone to look into it
23:08 <@brimstone> plaguins?
23:09 < Dagmar> I'm just noticing a regular pattern of the server apparently crashing
23:09 <@brimstone> i don't see any crashes in the logs
23:09 < Dagmar> Hmm...
23:09 <@Dickie> USER ERROR: TICKET CLOSED
23:09 <@brimstone> when the last person disconnects, it quits, rdiff-backups the world, then downloads a new jar and starts back again
23:09 <@brimstone> are you trying to reconnect fast or something?
23:10 < Dagmar> I figured it was crashing, but it might be the way it's dealing with the sockets
23:10 <@brimstone> the backups only take ~13s
23:10 < Dagmar> Well, I can disconnect and reconnect fine
23:10 <@brimstone> download is ~1s
23:10 <@brimstone> huh, when was the last perceived crash?
23:10 < Dagmar> There must be a crash bug in the Win32 client relating directly to it starting raining then
23:10  * brimstone traceroutes sdodson
23:10 < Dagmar> Sun Jun 12 11:06:38 2011
23:11 < Dagmar> I just *do not* get why it doesn't do it on my server
23:11 <@Dickie> I'll need to get on soon and look around on my windows desktop.
23:11 < Dagmar> Basically, what happens is my client goes BOOM after repopping a block, which is generally a sign the server isn't responding anymore
23:11 <@brimstone> a bug? in minecraft?
23:11 <@brimstone> nowait
23:11 < Dagmar> For the next 20-30 seconds I can't reconnect, and then when I do connect it's raining... _Always_
23:12 < Dagmar> So... must be a bug in the client then, but damned if I know why it's triggering
23:12 <@brimstone> i blame the cloud
23:12 < Dagmar> Might some more artifacts from Notch's lovely lack of paying attention to when to flush a filehandle
23:12 < Dagmar> The local server I've got running *here* behaves fine, always
23:13 < Dagmar> ...and I've been deliberately trying to make mine unstable
23:13 < Dagmar> Adding bukkit, Permissions, Citizens (broke right now, but funny nonetheless) and a few portcullis things
23:13 <@brimstone> mine's still stock
23:13 < Dagmar> Yeah I was running mine stock trying to figure out WTF was with the disconnections
23:13 <@brimstone> on 64bit debian
23:13 < Dagmar> 64-bit Slackware
23:13 <@brimstone> dunno then
23:14 < Dagmar> Yeah, might be the way the client is crashing angers the socket gods or something
23:14 < Dagmar> Running the client under Ubuntu with the updated lwjgl it doesn't seem to want to malfunction
23:14 <@brimstone> using openjdk, not sun java
23:14 <@brimstone> maybe that's it?
23:14 <@brimstone> but the server's not crashing here
23:15 < Dagmar> I've been using the default with Ubuntu, and Sun's package under Slackware
23:15 <@brimstone> unless it's sending you something stupid
23:15 <@brimstone> and your client wigs out
23:15 < Dagmar> Well, I suspect it might be a packet-separation issue
23:16 < Dagmar> Latency _here_ to my local server is pretty much negligible.
23:16 < Dagmar> It'll start raining and nothing special happens
23:16 < Dagmar> Sooo... might be that the server is sending part of a packet and there's a race condition involving whether or not the client has the rest of the packet in time
23:16 < Dagmar> Some of his code is rather dimwitted about that
23:16 <@brimstone> gross
23:17 < Dagmar> Like, just logging in is two packets, and the first one's one goddamn byte long
23:17 <@brimstone> upload here isn't super
23:22 < Dagmar> Not sure what I'm going to think about the new mechanics they're adding
23:23 < Dagmar> I've heard scissors are a new item, required to shear sheep
23:23 < Dagmar> ...and that at least _some_ of the mobs are going to be persistant
23:26 < Dagmar> http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/mech-citizens-v1-0-8h-npcs-for-bukkit-1-6-compatible-860.7173/ <-- shows promise
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