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13:29 <@brookshire> how could bin laden have porn without the internet?  The internet is porn, so the article is totally bogus!
13:39 < MaxieZ> No, the internet is FOR porn.  The internet is not porn.
13:39 < MaxieZ> Though it does have a lot of open ports and syn....see what I did there?
13:43 <@brookshire> You mean he actually had a porno video?  That can't be possible!
13:44 <@brookshire> Didn't they stop making those like 20 years ago?
14:53 <@sdodson> Bahhumbug: tell me a story!
14:53 <@sdodson> Bahhumbug: about your sekret loonix
14:58 <@sdodson> Mercster: Large mental leap you made to assume Bahhumbug is a muslim appologist. Strangest thing is that of the three points of view I agree most with Dagmar. I suspect Bin Laden probably did have porn.
15:00 < Mercster> first of all, apologist only has one 'p'
15:00 < Mercster> second of all, <@Bahhumbug> Not by a professed follower of Islam, no.
15:01 < Mercster> Bahhumbug believes "true muslims" wouldnt have porn, he said it, i didnt
15:01 < Mercster> but of course christians have porn, right?
15:01 <@sdodson> Mercster: I think Bahhumbug is being silly thinking this is just an effort to discredit bin laden, but it's absurd to spew the non sense canned answer you always spew anytime someone touches a topic tangentally related to our country or your christian faith.
15:02 < Mercster> well, go on thinking it's absurd
15:02 < Mercster> i cant really care a damn
15:02 <@sdodson> Mercster: Thanks, I'll make sure to spell it correctly in the future.
15:03 < Mercster> if you're judging religious people by what they think of as "sin", and you expect muslims not to have porn, well, you're putting islam up on a pedestal
15:04 < Mercster> im not sure what he thinks about christians having porn, but if i had to guess, he'd probably assume that more christians have porn than muslims
15:04 <@sdodson> I don't think so. Muslims are generally pretty hardcore about the things they ban.
15:04 <@sdodson> Mercster: I think that's a safe assumption as well. Is there anything in the Christian faith that says they shouldn't have porn?
15:05 < Mercster> who is "they"?  people who dont know much about religion, or islam in particular, have this image of it as more monolithic than christianity
15:05 < Mercster> like all muslims agree
15:05 < Mercster> *that* is absurd
15:05 <@sdodson> I think Muslims are much more homogenous than Christians.
15:05 < MaxieZ> I don't think the bible has any comments on porn directly
15:05 < MaxieZ> I could be wrong though
15:06 <@sdodson> hey it's MaxieZ
15:06 < MaxieZ> I know islam has bans on images.
15:06 < MaxieZ> Well, the topic of porn called to me.  Hey sdodson
15:06 < Mercster> even within the traditional segregation of sunnis, shia, and sufi, you have hundreds and hundreds of "denominations"
15:06 < Mercster> all you know about islam is what you hear in the news, and it's a mistake to lump all muslims together
15:07 < MaxieZ> I didn't mean to imply that I was.
15:07 < MaxieZ> Christianity has bans on birthcontrol would also be an accurate statement
15:07 < Mercster> MaxieZ: yet there are millions of muslims, hundreds of millions, that venerate images of Ali
15:07 <@sdodson> I'll ask an old co-worker of mine who, as a Jew, surprisingly got a degree in Islamic studies.
15:07 < MaxieZ> I'm not stating that all christians feel birth control is wrong.
15:08 < Mercster> please do, islam is far more varied than most westerners understand
15:08 < Mercster> and im a christian and I have porn, im williong to freely admit it. also, a news report i read about the "porn cache" said that it was not rare at all to find stashes of pornography in militant camps
15:09 < Mercster> to pretend that a "self-professed muslim" having porn is "surprising", as Bahhumbug stated, it obviously naive
15:09 < Mercster> s/it/is
15:09 <@Bahhumbug> I really wish you'd stop fucking highlighting me when I lost interest in your nonsense yesterday.
15:10 < Mercster> so basically, he's holding muslims to some standard that he doesnt know anything about
15:10 < Mercster> like islam is more "serious", or that muslims are more "moral"
15:10 < Mercster> Bahhumbug: i didnt bring it up, sdodson did
15:10 < Mercster> im answering his statements, that's all
15:10 <@Bahhumbug> let me solve this problems
15:11 < Mercster> i dont have anything against you, but my critique of your assumption stands
15:11 <@Bahhumbug> timed ignores in place - go on, highlight away
15:11  * Mercster shrugs
15:11 <@sdodson> His assumption is that follows of a religion that bans pornography probably has very few people who partake in porn.
15:11 < MaxieZ> I am in no way shocked that he had porn.  If I was holed up somewhere, it would either be in a whore house, with a lover or with porn.  I don't think our hormones care what we think happens when we die.
15:11 <@sdodson> Which seems very solid.
15:12 <@sdodson> Assuming that it's a campaign to discredit Bin Laden is a bit off if you ask me.
15:13 < Mercster> well as far as "images" go, you could read the same interpretation in the old testament commandment not to worship "images". i dont think there's a quranic admonition about porn, any more than there is a biblical admonition against porn
15:13 < Mercster> it's just generally viewed by religious people as hurtful and demeaning to the procreative process
15:13 < Mercster> but why would muslims be any more likely to eschew porn than anyone else
15:13 <@sdodson> http://www.soundvision.com/Info/life/porn/isporn.asp
15:14 < Mercster> if a pastor of some church was found to have pornography, it probably wouldnt be surprising to anyone
15:14 < Mercster> but if a muslim has it, you think it's surprising
15:14 < Mercster> that's a false dichotomy
15:14 < Mercster> that's all im saying
15:14 < Mercster> that's all i ever meant to say
15:14 <@sdodson> No it's not. Christianity isn't widely known to ban porn. Islam is.
15:15 < Mercster> nwell, personally, i dont think you know wtf you're talking about
15:15 < Mercster> but im not gonna argue about it with you
15:15 < Mercster> it isnt really important
15:17 < Mercster> if you could manage to produce any section of the quran or the hadith that proscribes pornography, you might have a point
15:17 <@sdodson> Mercster: does the link I provided not do that?
15:18 < Mercster> but im pretty sure that the percentage of muslim scholars who proscribe pornography is similar to the percentage of christian pastors/ministers/priests who proscribe pornography
15:18 < Mercster> ive never heard a christian teacher say porno was awesome, or even OK
15:18 < Mercster> quite the contrary
15:18 < Mercster> google "christianity porn", you could find something generally analogous to that
15:19 < Mercster> er not something, some THINGS, as it were
15:19 < Mercster> a general distaste for the practice
15:19 < Mercster> "Surely God enjoins justice, kindness and the doing of good, to kith and kin; and He forbids all that is shameful, indecent, evil, rebellious and oppressive." InnaAllah Yamuru bil adel, wal ehsane, wa itae zil qurba; wa yanha anil fuhshae, wal munkari walbaghi; yaizukhum lallakum tazakkaroon. (Quran 16:90)
15:20 < Mercster> you think christian teachers/ministers/pastors etc think porn is not "shameful" and "indecent"?
15:20 < Mercster> give me a break
15:22 < Mercster> given what Bahhumbug said, and what you said, i made my estimation that somehow, people born in a judeo-christian framework (as we all do in the US) and who have a problem with that, tend to debase christianity ion favor of other religions thety know little about
15:22 < Mercster> it's the same damn thing i said earlier...you "assume" that somehow christianity isnt strong enough or ethical/moral enough to proscribe porn
15:22 < Mercster> but islam is
15:22 < Mercster> and that dichotomy is bullshit
15:23 <@sdodson> Ya, I'm a big fan of islam because I was born in the US. Got me figured out, damn.
15:23 <@sdodson> I never said banning porn was moral, no one did.
15:23 < Mercster> well it probably makes you feel good to shit on christianity, and elevate islam, or muslims, over christians
15:23 <@sdodson> You're being senselessly defensive, as always.
15:24 <@sdodson> Mercster: It does not.
15:24 < Mercster> there's probably thousands of people brought up in islam who would mirror your statements, "well of course islam is ok with porn, but those christians hate it!"
15:24 < Mercster> cuz they enjoy shitting on the prevalent system
15:25 < Mercster> by elevating christianity, they debase islam, cuz they're angry that they were brought up in it and are bitter about it
15:26 < Mercster> im not even saying you guys are doing it consciously, it's just a part of being a contrarian
15:26 <@sdodson> Can you prescribe meds? You're a really great psychologist who's totally figured everyone out over IRC. It'd be awesome if you could write me an Rx too.
15:26 < Mercster> nope, cant give you any meds
15:27 < Mercster> read a bible though, or a quran, instead of making wide-ranging assumptions based on TV and the internet
15:27 < Mercster> then maybe you'd have something useful to say
15:27 < Mercster> then you'd be on par with me :)
15:27 <@sdodson> Darn, I guess I'm just left with these extremely helpful consultations. Can you tell me why I have no desire to date?
15:27 < Mercster> that's my prescription for you, read more
15:27 < Mercster> talk less
15:27 <@sdodson> Here, I'll even lay down on the couch in a dark room.
15:28 <@sdodson> Mercster: Lets get this started, I have lots of shit to work out.
15:28 < Mercster> maybe you have low testosterone levels
15:28 < Mercster> i dunno
15:28 <@sdodson> How do you not know?
15:28 < Mercster> yeah seems weird, doesnt it
15:28 < Mercster> that i dont know something
15:28 < Mercster> well, noone's perfect
15:28 <@sdodson> You seem to have diagnosed many other aspects of my psyche
15:29 < Mercster> well i can only go by what you type. <@sdodson> I think Muslims are much more homogenous than Christians.
15:29 < Mercster> that let me know that you're ignorant
15:29 < Mercster> dont kill the messenger, bro
15:30 < Mercster> if i dont know about something, i dont type about it. i happen to be a student of comparative religion, so i type about it
15:30 < Mercster> and i disagree with you
15:30 <@sdodson> That's fine.
15:30 < Mercster> that's the bottom line, i cant solve many of your problems because im only human
15:30 < Mercster> i can only know a lot about a certain number of subjects
15:31 < Mercster> maybe you should talk to your dad or something, he might have insights into your problems that i couldnt possibly have
15:32 < Mercster> i refuse to apologize for making sense, or having insights into a subject that i know about
15:33 <@sdodson> I refuse to believe you have any insight into my feelings towards Christianity and Islam.
15:38 < Mercster> again, i can only go by what you type
15:38 < Mercster> (sorry, dumb neighbor came by)
15:38 <@Corydon76-home> I have feeling towards Christianity and Islam in the same way that I have feelings for Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny
15:38 < Mercster> hey, you can have whatever opinion on the matter that you want, i just disagreed
15:39 < Mercster> but like i said earlier, i really dont wanna argue about it, especially since when i DO argue, it's usually labelled as some sort of trolling and i end up getting banned
15:39 < Mercster> so let's drop it
15:39 < Mercster> we'll agree to disagree
15:40 < Mercster> you think islam is homogeneous and hates porn, you think christianity is much more heterogenous and doesnt have anything against porn
15:41 <@sdodson> I don't think Christianity bans it. But, otherwise yes that's a good summary of my opinion.
15:42 < MaxieZ> sdodson: I can assure you that if you brought in a hustler on sunday morning, you'd get a stern talking to in most christian churches.
15:43 <@sdodson> I'd also get stern looks if I showed up in a beer t-shirt and torn jeans. I don't think that's relevant
15:43 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, who do you think you are, Jesus?  The gall of some people, consorting with prostitutes, lepers, and the poor
15:44 <@sdodson> What's acceptable in a church isn't representative of what's generally acceptable within the faith.
15:58 < Mercster> ok so see how this works, you keep typing, now you'tre on about t-shirt and torn jeans, and how christians would give you stern looks
15:58 < Mercster> you keep reinforcing the perception that you look down on christians
15:59 < Mercster> im not putting it into your mouth or assuming anything, im going by what you say
15:59 < Mercster> and MaxieZ is completely correct
15:59 < Mercster> and it IS relevant
15:59 < Mercster> but, whatever
16:00 <@Corydon76-home> It's a fact that most Christians would look down upon Jesus, were he to appear today.
16:00 < Mercster> ok in your world opinions are facts
16:00 < Mercster> gotcha
16:01 <@sdodson> :)
16:01 < Mercster> im leaving this discussion before i make too much sense
16:01 < Mercster> and get everyone all butt-hurt over it
16:02 <@Corydon76-home> What, you don't have to look too far to see the stark difference between the people that Jesus hung out with, and the people that most Christians would
16:03 <@Corydon76-home> The money changers in the temples today would be ATMs, but the effect is the same
16:04 <@sdodson> What are the money changers?
16:04 <@Corydon76-home> You don't remember Jesus throwing the money changers out of the temple?
16:04 <@sdodson> No, I don't know any of that stuff.
16:04 < Mercster> it's not the same, because ATMs arent in the service of a religious temple
16:05 < Mercster> the moneychangers were selling flea-infested animals to be sacrificed in the temple, to the Lord
16:05 < Mercster> now an ATM in a church, maybe
16:05 < Mercster> that would be analogous
16:05 <@Corydon76-home> No, the money changers were exchanging the local currency for the gold and silver to be used as offering
16:05 < Mercster> well they did both
16:06 < Mercster> but the point is, ATMs arent used for religious services, and arent sitting in a church/synagogue
16:06 <@Corydon76-home> ATM in a church that charges a fee to withdraw...
16:06 < Mercster> right
16:06 <@Corydon76-home> Some of the megachurches do have ATMs
16:07 < Mercster> well, maybe so
16:07 < Mercster> i dont belong to a megachurch and i cant tell you what goes on inside one, except they usually ask for a lot of money
16:07 < Mercster> and God doesnt send out beggars
16:07 <@sdodson> I knew we didn't have to worry about Mercster actually leaving the conversation.
16:07 <@Corydon76-home> Jesus was a dirty hippy who consorted with whores
16:07 <@sdodson> He never holds up his threats to be civil and quiet.
16:08 < Mercster> doubt he was dirty...israelites had pretty comprehensive cleanliness laws. and as far as "consorting" with whores goes, you'd have to define "consorting"
16:08 < Mercster> he certainly talked to them, healed them, forgave them, WHEN THEY REPENTED
16:09 < Mercster> sdodson: ive left the conversation with *you*, i reserve the right to talk to Corydon76-home :)
16:09 <@sdodson> Mercster: oh, ok.
16:09 < Mercster> sdodson: you arent part of the conversation because Corydon76-home has obviously read a lot more of the bible than you have
16:09 < Mercster> that's why I and he are still in it
16:09 <@sdodson> Mercster: I'm sure that's true.
16:09 <@Corydon76-home> Mercster: and how many Christians consort even with repentent whores?
16:10 < Mercster> Corydon76-home: i dont know, probably a lot. a majority?  who knows, probably not.
16:10 <@Corydon76-home> It's a minority.
16:11 <@Corydon76-home> But it's funny how Christian leaders and leaders who happen to be Christian don't
16:11 < Mercster> that's the problem by defining a religion by its' followers actions. everyone's real uptight about judging muslims for what happened on 9/11, or any other terrorist act. but it's OK to judge christians by how some christians act, right?
16:12 < Mercster> the fact is that whatever horrible things a subset of christians do, it doesnt change the fact that TRUE christianity is about love, forgiveness, and peace. true islam is not
16:12 <@Corydon76-home> I don't judge Christians for the Inquisition, either
16:12 <@sdodson> I gotta find a decent light beer.
16:12 < Mercster> well that's good, cuz you shouldnt
16:13 < Mercster> and dont start in about the crusades, cuz obviously a lot of bad shit went down, but not before the muslims started it. the chrhistians wanted to take back israel, which was taken by just as much violence by the muslims
16:13 <@Corydon76-home> It's more a question of what their leaders do.  Most of the Islamists calling for jihad are not, in fact, religious leaders
16:14 < Mercster> christianity has no "leader" but Christ.  teachers, pastors, ministers are well and fine, but they hold no authority in true Christianity
16:14 <@Corydon76-home> You don't consider the Pope to be a Christian leader?
16:14 < Mercster> not personally, no
16:14 < Mercster> he's just another man
16:14 < Mercster> like anyone else
16:14 <@Corydon76-home> Or the bishops of various denominations?
16:15 <@Corydon76-home> consider that at the time of the Inquisition, Christianity was mostly united under the Pope
16:16 < Mercster> dude, i dont consider anyone a leader but Christ. teachers are only leaders insofar as they are able to help others to study God's Word, and even then, they are students themselves, and noone knows everything, or has the right to judge anyone else
16:16 < Mercster> they're just men
16:16 <@Corydon76-home> That's admirable, and it sets you apart from organized religion
16:17 < Mercster> you're probably not very familiar with what i consider to be christianity. i consider catholics christians, because i dont judge anybody and because they have faith in Christ, but beyond that, i dont consider any of their polity or organizations to be authoritative
16:17 < Mercster> someone who knows God's Word is authoritative only in as much as they teach what's in there
16:17 <@Corydon76-home> You mean their dogma?
16:17 < Mercster> whatever you wanna call it
16:18 < Mercster> i refuse to pass judgement on catholics or the pope or anyone else
16:18 <@Corydon76-home> The interpreted teachings that are derivative of the bible without being stated explicitly as such.  For example, the Trinity is dogma.
16:18 < Mercster> if you say you8 beloieve Christ was the son of God who came down to forgive us our sins, you're a christian
16:18 < Mercster> i can believe or not believe in 420 other things your church says
16:19 < Mercster> but im not the type, and NO christian should be, to start labelling/judging people
16:19 < Mercster> "oh this denomination is christian, this other one isnt"
16:19 < Mercster> i dont do that
16:19 < Mercster> and no wise person does
16:19 <@Corydon76-home> My church doesn't say anything, as I don't have a church.  I am explicitly atheist
16:19 < Mercster> only God knows the heart of man
16:20 < Mercster> i'll leave it at that
16:20 <@Corydon76-home> I just find it interesting how most Christians are very much unlike the person they claim to follow
16:20 < Mercster> well, to be frank with you, you dont know most christians
16:20 < Mercster> you meant to say "most christians you know"
16:20 < Mercster> which is probably a pretty small group of people
16:20 < Mercster> relatively
16:20 < Mercster> relative to the ~2 billion christians on the planet
16:20 <@Corydon76-home> Or the Christians I know of
16:21 < Mercster> well, i dont know them either
16:21 <@Corydon76-home> I don't claim to know Pat Robertson, but it's pretty clear he isn't anything like Christ
16:21 < Mercster> and that's why i dont judge them
16:21 < Mercster> that's God's job, and He dont need any help
16:22 < Mercster> in fact one of the worst sins you can commit is to pass judgement on someone...as far as whether they're a christian, or will end up in heaven or hell
16:22 <@Corydon76-home> and Robertson has a large following.  That's why I said you can judge them by their leaders
16:22 < Mercster> well, that's your prerogative
16:22 < Mercster> i dont agree with that approach, but, whatever
16:23 <@Corydon76-home> Why not?  If people did not agree with him, why would they follow him?
16:23 < Mercster> you've got it twisted, that's your problem. people dont "follow" Robertson (and if they do, they've got a big problem)
16:23 < Mercster> christians follow Christ
16:24 < Mercster> Robertson is just a teacher, people learn from him, but if you put him on a pedestal and pretend people "follow" him, of course, you're gonna come away with a bad taste in your mouth
16:24 <@Corydon76-home> In a big tent, yes.  But individual sects follow more than just Christ
16:24 < Mercster> he makes mistakes like anyone else, he says stupid shit like anyone else
16:24 <@Corydon76-home> Or more correctly, all Christians claim to follow Christ
16:25 <@Corydon76-home> I'm saying, though, it's clear that they do not actually follow Christ
16:25 < Mercster> i dont agree with a lot of what he says...ive heard him say stupid shit, and ive heard him say correct shit. i dont "judge" him, i *discern*..he doesnt have much to say to me, so i dont "follow" him or even listen to him, i have good teachers
16:25 <@Corydon76-home> Christians in name only
16:25 < Mercster> i dont need pat robertson
16:25 < Mercster> but i wouldnt judge him to hell
16:25 < Mercster> and as far as im concerned, he's a christian
16:26 < Mercster> geuss what, everyone sins
16:26 < Mercster> christians sin
16:26 < Mercster> paul made this all very clear in Romans
16:26 < Mercster> maybe you should read it again
16:26 <@Corydon76-home> Paul didn't know Christ
16:26 < Mercster> im sure you have before, but it has relevance to what we're talking about
16:27 < Mercster> well, Christians believe he did
16:27 < Mercster> feel free to remain a skeptic
16:27 <@Corydon76-home> I have a basis problem with the writer of all these "Scriptures" who may have been a fairly early convert, but he was not one of the disciples
16:27 < Mercster> i dont really care :)
16:27 < Mercster> he wasnt one of the 12 disciples, but in the sense that he was a student, he was a disciple
16:28 <@Corydon76-home> I care in terms of pointing out hypocrisy
16:28 < Mercster> ok, well, have a good trip
16:28 < Mercster> everyone sails their own ship, im not out to convince or save anyone
16:28 < Mercster> God does the saving
16:28 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, but if you go through that wringer, then everybody is is a disciple and the word loses all meaning
16:28 < Mercster> if you dont wanna believe this and that, hey, congrats
16:29 < Mercster> freedom is awesome, aint it :)
16:30 <@Corydon76-home> I believe there is no god, and even if there were, if you can objectively look at the world, you should be able to determine who is a follower without looking into minds, but merely by observing actions
16:30 <@Corydon76-home> Actions are more important than beliefs
16:31 < Mercster> well God says pretty much the same thing; bad fruit does not come from a good tree, and bitter water does not come from a clean spring
16:31 < Mercster> but that's in the context of teaching, delivering a message
16:32 < Mercster> there isnt a man alive who doesnt sin
16:32 < Mercster> Paul included
16:32 <@Corydon76-home> But bad fruit does come from a good tree
16:32 <@Bahhumbug> Thou Art God
16:32 < Mercster> Peter included, the pope included, bishops included
16:33 < Mercster> me included, baptists included, whoever included
16:33 < Mercster> from high to low
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17:14 < MaxieZ> Corydon76-home: Are you calling christianity a good tree?
17:15 <@Corydon76-home> MaxieZ: religion isn't a tree
17:16 < MaxieZ> Ah, I missed Mercster's statement.
17:16 < MaxieZ> NM.
17:16 < Mercster> metaphors are hard
17:17 < MaxieZ> No doubt.  Thus the whole false analogy fallacy
17:20 <@Corydon76-home> Religion is more like a pile of dog shit.  In some twisted way, it can fertilize the tree.  But it's more likely that somebody will step in it first
17:21 < MaxieZ> While I don't disagree with Corydon76-home and I appreciate the analogy, you did point out why it's a fallacy as well :)
17:27 <@Corydon76-home> And there are better fertilizers for the tree.
17:27 < MaxieZ> What is the tree?
17:28 <@Corydon76-home> MaxieZ: People are the trees
17:28 < MaxieZ> Ah.
17:29 <@Corydon76-home> Not a perfect metaphor, but I'm just here to fuck with it
17:30 <@Corydon76-home> In other news, SiliconDust finally announced their cablecard cable tuner.  They're now taking pre-orders, shipping in July
17:30 <@Corydon76-home> There's a 3-tuner card and 6-tuner card
17:30 < MaxieZ> Cost?
17:31 < Mercster> Corydon76-home: will mythtv grok them?
17:31 <@Corydon76-home> $250/$500
17:31 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, I suspect MythTV will work with them fairly quickly
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17:32 <@Corydon76-home> http://www.hdhomerun.com/products/hdhomerun/prime/
17:34 < Mercster> secks
17:34 <@Corydon76-home> 6-in-1 tuner sounds pretty sweet
17:36 < Mercster> hell, 3-in-1 sounds sweet
17:37 < Mercster> im angry at my comcast dvr for only having 2 tuner
17:37 < Mercster> s
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19:51 < Mercster> Disney Trademarks 'Seal Team 6,' Name Of Unit That Killed Bin Laden
19:51 < Mercster> :|
20:09 < MaxieZ> I smell a new disney cartoon.
21:16 < Mercster> dive
21:16 < Mercster> dive
21:16 < Mercster> dive
21:16 < Mercster> dive with me
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22:31 <@Dagmar> Okay, I have some shirts made out of this fabric, so I was interested in reading a review...
22:32 <@Dagmar> http://gizmodo.com/top/5801426
22:32 <@Dagmar> Now that I've read that review... I don't think I want the sheets anymore.  (although it was a positive review)
22:32 <@Dagmar> A wee bit too graphic
22:34 <@Dagmar> "As for those who partake on solo missions, the flat sheet grooves itself onto your body, caressing its polyester around your knees and ankles while giving breathability to your backside. It's as easy as ever to find peace within yourself."
22:34 <@Dagmar> Tee Emm Eye, damnit
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