--- Log opened Sat Mar 19 00:00:20 2011 00:26 < ware> nowai 01:48 < Mercster> my pits smell 02:38 -!- forgottenwizard [~none@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has joined #se2600 02:39 -!- ZombieChicken [~none@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:49 -!- forgottenwizard [~none@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:50 -!- ZombieChicken [~none@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has joined #se2600 02:50 -!- ZombieChicken [~none@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has quit [Client Quit] 02:53 < Mercster> "Your king Osama Bin Laden looks like a dirty wizard or homeless Santa" 03:21 < fie> ... 03:27 < Mercster> fie: havent seen 'Bruno', eh 03:28 < fie> Saw it in theatres 03:28 < fie> with my gay cousin and his boyfriend 03:28 < fie> it was epicly gay 03:28 < Mercster> so what's with "..." 03:28 < fie> I don't remember that part 03:28 < fie> Blocked it out 03:29 < Mercster> it's probably the funniest line 04:54 < Mercster> ugh 04:54 * Mercster sneezes 05:44 < Mercster> Britons call for iodine tablets in Japanese radiation panic 05:44 < Mercster> welcome to crack cocaine 05:44 < Mercster> YOU ARE ON CRACK 05:47 < Mercster> you literally have to smoke crack cocaine on a daily basis to want potassium iodide pills in the UK 05:59 < Mercster> ah well, they dont have flouride 06:00 < Mercster> must explain it 06:01 < Mercster> this one's a bit better http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2011/03/18/134597833/cosmonaut-crashed-into-earth-crying-in-rage 06:03 < Mercster> meanwhile, we are now orbiting mercury 06:04 < Mercster> TRIPOLI, LIBYA . Forces loyal to Moammar Gaddafi entered the eastern rebel stronghold of Benghazi Saturday after air strikes and fierce fighting, a fresh act of defiance even as the United States and its allies prepared to launch military attacks on Libya. 06:04 < Mercster> meanwhile, north africa is blowing up 08:25 -!- mgalgoci [~pid@2001:470:e33b:0:219:d2ff:fe64:763f] has quit [Quit: (Read error: Connection reset by peer)] 09:18 <@sdodson> aestetix: no, what do you need? 09:33 <@aestetix> Hey 09:35 <@sdodson> Evilpig: you coming to Carolinacon? 10:09 <@brimstone> yay outerz0ne 10:09 <@brimstone> !!! 10:17 <@ShadowHntr> French fighter jets are now flying over Libya 10:17 <@sdodson> Freedom Fries! 10:18 <@ShadowHntr> oh god another nutcase :P 10:18 <@sdodson> "drop cordless a line" is funny and I never noticed it before. 10:18 <@ShadowHntr> well gotta get back to work 10:19 <@sdodson> ShadowHntr: whatchoodon? 10:19 * Mercster stares 10:22 <@ShadowHntr> workin' at the datacenter 10:22 <@ShadowHntr> for Amazon.com up in northern Virginia near DC 10:23 < Mercster> sdodson: im enjoying reading e-books on my droid :) 10:23 < Mercster> in landscape mode, the sentences are a perfect length 10:25 <@ShadowHntr> i got a velocity micro cruz reader 10:25 <@ShadowHntr> it's an e-reader that happens to run android 10:25 < Mercster> cool, what size screen? 10:25 <@ShadowHntr> it's not the beefiest processor so from what i've heard it can't go any higher than android 2.0 10:26 <@ShadowHntr> 7" 10:26 < Mercster> cool, it reads most formats i suppose? 10:26 <@ShadowHntr> yeah 10:26 <@ShadowHntr> currently i have apps for borders and kindle 10:26 < Mercster> cool 10:26 <@ShadowHntr> unfortunately i don't have access directly to the android market 10:26 < Mercster> on the droid X i use aldiko 10:27 <@ShadowHntr> but i have access to velocity micro's "cruz market" which has a lot of cool apps anyway 10:27 < Mercster> yeah, i can download much of what i want directly 10:27 <@sdodson> Mercster: By perfect length you mean short and simple for your mind? 10:27 < Mercster> if not i find a torrent and then convert to .epub 10:27 <@ShadowHntr> i bought this so i could have an e-reader 10:27 <@ShadowHntr> and still play a little bit with android 10:27 <@sdodson> I have the Nook e-ink. I really like it. 10:27 <@ShadowHntr> i may buy an actual android table later 10:27 <@ShadowHntr> s/table/tablet 10:27 <@ShadowHntr> :] 10:27 <@sdodson> you fail at sed 10:27 < Mercster> sdodson: mmm, no, i mean it's been proven that there is a certain line length associated with the written word that is optimal for reading 10:28 <@sdodson> Mercster: I know. 10:28 < Mercster> shorter or longer makes it harder to read 10:28 < Mercster> my e-book reader on android, in landscape mode, it just about perfect 10:29 < Mercster> sure i wish the screen was bigger, but then i'd be looking at a tablet 10:29 < Mercster> and i dont want a tablet 10:29 <@sdodson> It's not e-ink. 10:29 < Mercster> no it is certainly not e-ink 10:29 <@sdodson> I really really like e-ink. 10:29 < Mercster> ive never really seen it 10:29 < Mercster> im sure its cool 10:29 <@sdodson> Well, more importantly my retinas like it 10:30 < Mercster> on my droid X, in landscape mode, about 8"-10" is a perfect distance 10:30 < Mercster> i have to change pages quite often (small screen) but it's totally readable 10:30 <@sdodson> I used to like MGMT, now I find it to be unsufferable noise. 10:32 < Mercster> what's MGMT? 10:33 <@brimstone> a hipster band, you've probably never heard of them 10:33 < Mercster> nope 10:34 -!- sdodson changed the topic of #se2600 to: <@brimstone> a hipster band, you've probably never heard of them 10:34 <@brimstone> man, i'm in the topic again 10:35 < Mercster> it happens 10:49 < ware> epeen 10:49 * Mercster touches ware 10:49 < ware> :O 10:52 < Mercster> ;-) 10:58 <@sdodson> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxJMDzNZWsE 11:03 < Mercster> :| 11:06 <@sdodson> http://www.npr.org/2011/03/19/134673008/attacks-reported-despite-gadhafis-cease-fire-vow?sc=fb&cc=fp that's our allied aircraft? 12:33 < Mercster> i got a little woman and she wont be true 12:44 < Mercster> dachau blues, dem poor jews... 12:45 < Mercster> goes to show you, what a 12:45 < Mercster> moon can do :-) 12:45 < Mercster> moonlight 12:45 < Mercster> on 12:45 < Mercster> vermont 12:45 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@pdpc/sponsor/digium/brimstone] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:47 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@pdpc/sponsor/digium/brimstone] has joined #se2600 12:47 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o brimstone] by ChanServ 13:04 < Mercster> French military jet opens fire in Libya 13:04 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@pdpc/sponsor/digium/brimstone] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:05 <@ShadowHntr> i said that already :) 13:05 <@ShadowHntr> oh wait 13:05 <@ShadowHntr> didn't say anything about firing on libya yet 13:05 < Mercster> well you said they were flying 13:05 < Mercster> yeah 13:05 < Mercster> now it's "fire" 13:05 <@ShadowHntr> yeap 13:05 <@ShadowHntr> now war is inevitable :/ 13:06 < Mercster> #3 13:06 < Mercster> w00p 13:06 < Mercster> im not happy about this one 13:06 < Mercster> im glad france is there first 13:06 < Mercster> or, doing something first, anyway 13:06 < Mercster> i read some article, sounds liek we may be doing a lot of the logistics 13:07 < Mercster> maybe other countries will be doing the actual actions 13:07 <@ShadowHntr> that may be cheaper for us 13:07 < Mercster> cheaper in more ways than one 13:07 <@ShadowHntr> yeah 13:07 <@ShadowHntr> in life and in monetary cost 13:07 < Mercster> cheaper in money, and cheaper in sentiment 13:07 < Mercster> well, lives isnt really an issue with this kinda thing 13:08 < Mercster> they cant touch us, if we're just in the air 13:08 < Mercster> of course it's being debated what a strictly air campaign could do 13:08 < Mercster> not much, is what ive heard 13:12 < Mercster> most of the civil war is being fought on the ground; sometimes helicopters will be involved. the kind of NFZ we would enforce couldnt effectively target the helicopters. on top of that, establishing a NFZ means heavy bombing of military infrastructure on the ground 13:12 < Mercster> it's essentially an act of war 13:13 < Mercster> and it's not even gonna be decisive 13:13 < Mercster> USA has said it's not putting troops on the ground...someone else is gonna have to 13:16 -!- Guest78191 [~brimstone@the.narro.ws] has joined #se2600 13:17 < Mercster> but we'll probably end up doing the heavy lifting, and everyone will moan about how much of an asshole we are 13:17 < Mercster> as usual 13:18 < Mercster> USA saves the world, what else is new 13:27 < Mercster> steal softly through sunshine... 13:27 < Mercster> steal softly through snow 14:18 < Mercster> something in the way... 14:18 < Mercster> oooooooooooooh 14:18 < Mercster> something in the way 14:18 < Mercster> YEAH 14:18 < Mercster> oooooooooooooh 14:28 -!- ZombieChicken [~none@c-71-228-234-22.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 14:28 -!- ZombieChicken [~none@c-71-228-234-22.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 14:28 -!- ZombieChicken [~none@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has joined #se2600 14:47 <@Corydon76-home> http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20110319 14:59 -!- Guest78191 is now known as brimstone 14:59 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@the.narro.ws] has quit [Changing host] 14:59 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@pdpc/sponsor/digium/brimstone] has joined #se2600 14:59 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o brimstone] by ChanServ 15:48 -!- mfph [~itsME@adsl-065-080-187-241.sip.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:50 -!- Falun [~richard@75-37-195-222.lightspeed.lsatca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:01 -!- mfph [~itsME@adsl-065-080-187-241.sip.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 16:01 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o mfph] by ChanServ 16:28 -!- Falun [~richard@75-37-195-222.lightspeed.lsatca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 16:28 < Mercster> time is runnin an passin, an passin an runnin, an runnin an PASSIN 16:28 < Mercster> so yall betta get right at DIS time 16:28 < Mercster> cuz they might not be no next time, yall... 16:29 <@sdodson> Mercster: shut it 16:30 < Mercster> YOU PUNK 16:33 < Mercster> sdodson: how are ya 16:35 <@sdodson> Mercster: pay'n bills dawg, some real deep shit yo 16:35 <@sdodson> trying to find a savings account with better than 0.00000001% interest 16:36 < Mercster> payin billz an makin dealz 16:36 < Mercster> i feel you mang 16:37 <@sdodson> 1% at ING 16:38 < Mercster> ive got all my money in a savings account but i have no idea what the terms are 16:38 < Mercster> i really dont care 16:38 < Mercster> im a free spirit like that 16:38 <@sdodson> make your money work 16:38 <@sdodson> If there's no cost to me why on earth wouldn't I transfer my shit to another bank just to get an extra .1% ? 16:39 < Mercster> i give to charity, that's how i make my money work 16:39 < Mercster> apart from that, im glad if i have a roof over my head and food in my belly 16:40 < Mercster> the stress over trying to find something to invest in probably wouldnt be worth the slight percentage i could eke out 16:40 <@sdodson> this is just savings not an investment 16:41 <@sdodson> is it strange that I feel more compassion for the japanese than i did for katrina folks? 16:41 < Mercster> probably 16:41 < Mercster> maybe you hate niggers 16:42 < Mercster> is it strange than you're racist? 16:42 <@sdodson> I think it's more that those folks had warning. 16:43 < Mercster> eh 16:43 < Mercster> new orleans is basically a ghetto 16:43 < Mercster> it was no surprise that they werent prepared/werent educated 16:44 < Mercster> you expected more out of japan, but, at the same time, it was a huge fuckin quake 16:44 < Mercster> and a huge tsunami 16:44 < Mercster> who knows man, noone deserves to end up like that 16:44 <@Bahhumbug> jesus christ. 16:44 <@Bahhumbug> you such a pretentious prick it's simply amazing. 16:45 <@Bahhumbug> s/you/you are/ 16:45 < Mercster> ya? 16:45 <@sdodson> who? 16:45 < Mercster> me 16:45 < Mercster> he's got a fetish about trying to make me feel bad 16:45 < Mercster> i dunno why 16:45 <@Bahhumbug> because you're an asshole, perhaps? 16:45 <@Bahhumbug> just a thought. 16:45 < Mercster> i figure he's probably got low self esteem 16:45 < Mercster> so he needs to shit on somebody 16:46 < Mercster> im available 16:49 <@sdodson> Nuclear power is so interesting. 16:50 < Mercster> we should be rolling out nuclear power everywhere 16:50 < Mercster> but yeah, now all the hippies have an excuse 16:50 < Mercster> "see how dangerous it is!" 16:52 < Mercster> sdodson: you ever seen that google talk about thorium reactors? 16:52 <@sdodson> well that any the newest nuclear plant we have is 15 years old 16:52 < Mercster> yeah, there's better tech nowadays 16:53 < Mercster> but that wont stop the eco-weirdos 16:54 <@sdodson> The most modern reactors produce almost no fuel waste 16:59 <@sdodson> http://xkcd.com/radiation/ 17:00 < Mercster> sdodson: smoking is some ridiculous number, too 17:01 < Mercster> i dunno how that factors in, but it's there somehow 17:03 <@sdodson> I'm surprised hiroshima and nagasaki aren't there 17:03 < Mercster> well 17:03 < Mercster> nuke plant != nuke bomb 17:03 < Mercster> not even close 17:04 < Mercster> i doubt they'd be able to fit the nuke bombs on the chart 17:04 < Mercster> cuz thst *is* serious 17:04 < Mercster> s/thst/that 17:05 < Mercster> being near the flashpoint of a nuclear bomb would be somewhere on the far end of the scale 17:05 < Mercster> and probably far beyond it 17:06 <@sdodson> Is there much fallout or is it all just heat/steam from weapons? 17:06 < Mercster> what? 17:06 < Mercster> fallout from where? 17:07 <@sdodson> bombs 17:07 < Mercster> a nuclear bomb spreads radiation far and wide, it's explosive 17:08 < Mercster> it's not like something as simple as fuel rods sitting dry for a week 17:08 < Mercster> it's not even comparable 17:09 < Mercster> chernobyl was like a sneeze compared to a nuclear bomb...a nuclear bomb relies on an initial charge that causes multiple chain reactions, causing an immense release of energy and radioactivity blowing out for miles around 17:09 < Mercster> if the physical explosion doesnt kill you, the radiation will 17:09 < Mercster> but something like this...even chernobyl, is mild in comparison 17:10 < Mercster> there is no explosion, it's just a cloud of some radioactive particles...im not saying it's nothing, but it aint a fission bomb 17:11 < Mercster> the worst "nuclear disaster" in the US, three mile island, was a partial meltdown, and it killed 0 people 17:11 < Mercster> i think chernobyl killed under 25 people 17:12 < Mercster> as i said, nuke plant != nuke bomb 17:12 < Mercster> two different animals 17:13 < Mercster> which is why it's sad to watch the hippies grasp on this, and try to convince everyone nuke power is dangerous 17:13 < Mercster> yeah, it's probably dangerous, as dangerous as coal plants are, that kill 2000+ americans each year 17:13 < Mercster> we're just used to the numbers 17:13 < Mercster> so we dont make a big deal out of it 17:14 < Mercster> but when it's a nuke plant, OH BOY, it's a monumental crisis 17:16 <@sdodson> I don't know. Our inability to get situations like fukashima under control aren't re-assuring. 17:17 < Mercster> well, those plants are what, 30 years old? 17:17 < Mercster> they dont rely on the same containment systems that more modern plants do 17:18 < Mercster> plus, hello, japan, it's on the edge of the ring of fire 17:18 < Mercster> or whatever they call it, the huge circle of tectonic plates 17:19 < Mercster> hello, "tsunami" is a japanese word 17:19 < Mercster> you know why? cuz japan has tsunamis 17:20 < Mercster> as well as they thought they were prepared, they werent 17:20 <@sdodson> That's a non argument. 17:20 <@sdodson> Of course people think they're prepared, you don't know that they're not until it's too late. 17:20 < Mercster> and the plants they're having trouble with, had been cited numerous times in the past for regulatory gaffes 17:22 < Mercster> point is, this isnt nuke power's fault 17:23 <@sdodson> Right, I understand that nuclear plants don't just spring out from nature and kill us all. 17:23 <@sdodson> People create them and clearly don't manage them well enough. 17:24 < Mercster> those were old plants with old contingency systems 17:24 < Mercster> we probably have some too, in the same class 17:24 < Mercster> but they also arent on massive fault lines 17:24 < Mercster> and arent likely to be hit with a tsunami 17:25 < Mercster> most countries are reviewing their safety procedures and examining plants built before 1980 or so 17:25 <@sdodson> Our plants are just as old. 17:25 < Mercster> and that's a good thing 17:25 < Mercster> some of them are, yeah 17:25 <@sdodson> http://money.cnn.com/news/specials/nuclear_power_plants_locations/index.html 17:26 < Mercster> i guess i have to say this again 17:26 < Mercster> they arent on major fault lines 17:26 < Mercster> and wont be hit by a tsunami 17:26 <@sdodson> Most of them are 30+ years old in the US. 17:27 < Mercster> yeah well, if the hippies have their way, none of them will get *beyond* 30 years old, because "nuke power is evil!" 17:27 < Mercster> and we'll just buy a whole bunch more oil from cultures who hate us 17:27 <@sdodson> Wait, what do you mean beyond 30 years old? the vast majority of them already are 30 years old. 17:28 < Mercster> do we learn from the lesson, or do we shrink back 17:29 <@sdodson> What does learning from the lesson look like? 17:30 < Mercster> building modern plants, that rely on passive cooling that doesnt rely on external power sources (like the ones in japan did) and continue to develop save nuclear power 17:30 < Mercster> that's what learning from the lesson looks like 17:30 < Mercster> s/save/safe 17:31 <@sdodson> Ya, I'm all for that. 17:31 < Mercster> modern plants dont rely on external elextrical power, like the ones in japan, for cooling 17:31 <@Corydon76-home> That will cost a lot of money at a time when we're trying to make budget cuts 17:31 < Mercster> it's all integrated 17:31 <@sdodson> But these are huge expensive fucking things, do you really think we'll decomission them all when they hit 40 years old or will we just extend their licenses? 17:32 <@sdodson> Mercster: so they require no power? 17:32 < Mercster> sdodson: even many of our older plants rely on better technology than the ones hit in japan 17:32 <@Corydon76-home> Mercster: Not really, no 17:32 <@sdodson> Mercster: i dunno, click around that map dude, a scary number of them are noted as having the same containment as used in Japan. 17:32 <@Corydon76-home> The better technology is a pebble bed reactor. We have very few of those today 17:33 <@Corydon76-home> The majority of US reactors today are exactly the same model as the Japanese reactors affected, with a few minor differences in operations 17:34 <@sdodson> "Of the 104 plants now operating in the U.S., ground was broken on all of them in 1974 or earlier." 17:34 <@Corydon76-home> In fact, what makes US reactors unique in the world is that every site is different, which caused some of the problems at Three Mile Island 17:35 < Mercster> Corydon76-home: im no nuclear engineer, neither are you. what i have heard is that many of the plants we operate work on the same system. also, many others work on another that dont rely on external power to cool the fuel, even in the face of a disaster 17:35 <@Corydon76-home> Mercster: Yes, they're called pebble bed reactors. They are a ton safer 17:35 < Mercster> so a) most of our plants arent on fault lines, in danger of a tsunami and b) if they were, they'd be able to keep the core cool in a situation in which the external power lines were cut 17:36 <@Corydon76-home> It's all covered in "Physics for Future Presidents" 17:36 < Mercster> Corydon76-home: well i asked sdodson, have you seen the google talk about thorium reactors? 17:36 <@Corydon76-home> Mercster: the core has never been the problem in the Japanese reactors 17:36 < Mercster> Corydon76-home: i wish we'd get on that 17:36 <@Corydon76-home> The problem has been the secondary pools, where spent rods are kept underwater 17:37 <@sdodson> Seems Obama is hot for new nuclear projects 17:37 < Mercster> yeah well when the rods start melting, on fire, then the core is suspect 17:37 <@Corydon76-home> Mercster: No, those spent rods are OUTSIDE of the core 17:37 < Mercster> they cant even get close enough to figure out what's melted and what isnt 17:38 <@Corydon76-home> Those spent rods are the problem, because they aren't in the containment vessel, at all. 17:38 < Mercster> yeah but the containment vessel blew up :) partially, anyway 17:38 < Mercster> on #3 i think? 17:39 <@Corydon76-home> Once the water pumps stopped working, the spent rods (which have to be continually cooled) started to evaporate the standing water. Some of the tops of those rods became exposed, and those tops drew oxygen out of the water, causing the hydrogen bubble to form 17:39 <@sdodson> How on earth do they put construction of these things on hold for 20 years? 17:40 <@sdodson> Watts Bar started in 1973, put on hold in 1988 and restarted in 2007. 17:40 <@Corydon76-home> If those spent rods ever completely boil off the water, they can melt and form a new core, where one was never intended to be. 17:40 < Mercster> nod 17:40 <@sdodson> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AP1000 latest generation design from Westinghouse 17:41 < Mercster> sdodson: my dad worked for TVA for 30+ years, i should pick his brain sometime 17:41 < Mercster> actually 17:41 < Mercster> i think ill call him right now 17:41 < Mercster> anyone have any questions for a TVA exec? 17:41 <@Corydon76-home> Executive or power plant worker? 17:41 < Mercster> exec 17:41 < Mercster> sat at a desk all day 17:41 < Mercster> managed people 17:42 <@sdodson> Does he think Watts Bar will be completed by 2012? 17:42 < Mercster> ok ill ask 17:42 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, I'd expect an executive to know more about accounting and human resources than operations 17:42 < Mercster> prolly 17:42 < Mercster> but i think he kneew stuff about the plants 17:44 <@Corydon76-home> Even so, most of TVA is coal, not hydro or nuclear power 17:45 <@sdodson> Looks like they're granting 60 year licenses 17:45 <@Corydon76-home> I'd personally be fine with a nuclear reactor in my backyard, more than I'd be okay with hydro or coal 17:46 < Mercster> haha 17:46 <@Corydon76-home> If I could afford solar panels, I'd cover my roof and be mostly self-sufficient for power 17:46 <@sdodson> "In 2008, both reactors were increased in power by 1.7% by an "Appendix K" uprate,[6] also called a Measurement Uncertainty Recapture uprate." man the names for things here is facinating. 17:46 < Mercster> ok so i talked to my dad 17:46 < Mercster> re: watts bar: "noone knows" 17:47 < Mercster> he says its all politics 17:47 <@sdodson> A co-worker of mine did that. $25k total cost but says he'll recover the costs in approximately 20 years. 17:47 < Mercster> which i probably agree with 17:47 <@sdodson> Recovered after including the rebates and incentives. 17:47 <@Corydon76-home> Mercster: it's unfortunate, because nuclear power is much safer than the public hysteria would have us believe 17:47 < Mercster> Corydon76-home: i agree 17:48 < Mercster> Corydon76-home: i am 220% for nuke power 17:48 < Mercster> you dont have to convince me 17:48 <@Corydon76-home> It's not perfectly safe, but neither is coal or hydro 17:48 < Mercster> yep dad said the same thing 17:48 < Mercster> "every source of power has risks" 17:49 < Mercster> thousands of people die every year from sulpher dioxide 17:49 <@Corydon76-home> Mercster: Well, not exactly. Solar power has few risks; the problem is that panels are still massively expensive 17:49 < Mercster> a bi-product of coal burning 17:49 < Mercster> but we're used to it 17:49 < Mercster> it's like a given 17:49 < Mercster> so we dont worry about it 17:49 < Mercster> 20 people die in a nuke plant, OH GPD 17:49 < Mercster> SOUND THE ALARM 17:49 < Mercster> NUCLEAR IS EVIL 17:49 <@Corydon76-home> Mercster: well, all at once, yes, that's pretty terrible 17:50 <@sdodson> Mercster: You're bordering on being as much of drama queen as Dagmar. 17:50 < Mercster> sdodson: dont do me like that, dawg 17:50 < Mercster> i cant think of a worse insult than being compared to dagmar 17:50 < Mercster> all im sayin is, nuke power can be safe 17:50 < Mercster> and it is safe 17:51 < Mercster> if it's done right 17:51 <@Corydon76-home> If 20 people die in a nuclear power plant, one or two at a time from accidents, but each separated by a year or two, it's tragic, but not cause for alarm 17:51 <@sdodson> This stuff is facinating, I think I'm going to go back to college for a physics degree. 17:52 < Mercster> Corydon76-home: well anyone dying before their time is tragic. im just saying, most plants built in the last 20 or so years arent going to encounter the same fate as the japan ones that are having problems 17:52 <@Corydon76-home> sdodson: you'd be better off with mechanical or nuclear engineering 17:52 < Mercster> they prepared for quakes, but not tsunamis 17:52 < Mercster> so they're getting fucked 17:52 -!- cordless-work [~cordless@69.67.30.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:52 -!- cordless-work [~cordless@69.67.30.95] has joined #se2600 17:53 < Mercster> sdodson: hope you love math 17:53 < Mercster> im fascinated by physics and have read quite a few armchair-physicist books 17:53 < Mercster> im familiar with the basics 17:53 <@Corydon76-home> I see it as a failure of the public relations people 40 years ago. They didn't do their best to impress upon the engineers exactly what a nuclear accident would do to each company 17:53 < Mercster> but, if you really wanna get into physics, you gotta know math 17:53 < Mercster> *bigtime* math 17:54 < Mercster> and i do not know math 17:54 < Mercster> im lucky i can add two numbers together 17:54 <@Corydon76-home> All of the risk can be mitigated with better engineering and more redundant systems. It might be 10% more expensive for the outlay, but you save when you don't have massive PR problems when an accident occurs 17:55 <@sdodson> Mercster: i was a bit shit at calculus 17:55 < Mercster> Corydon76-home: ive been hearing on news shows lately that nuclear isnt economically feasible anyway. i wish that werent true, and i really dont know. 17:55 <@Corydon76-home> The Dutch, for example, planned to have their dikes withstand a 10,000 year flood 17:55 < Mercster> sdodson: yeah, man, im totally fucking math stupid 17:55 <@sdodson> Mercster: ya, gas and coal are too cheap 17:56 < Mercster> i was always better at english, language...and i think thats why i was good as systems administration 17:56 <@Corydon76-home> Coal is less cheap when you add in the costs of scrubbing the plumes 17:56 < Mercster> learning to pwn a system is sort of grammar-like 17:56 < Mercster> no numbers involved, really 17:56 < Mercster> it's about commands (i.e. verbs) 17:56 <@Corydon76-home> and Congress needs to get rid of the exception in the Clean Water Act for natural gas 17:58 < Mercster> ah well 17:59 < Mercster> im willing to wager quite a bit to get us from buying so much oil from so many people who hate us 17:59 < Mercster> so im still for nuke power 17:59 < Mercster> fuck the naysayers 18:03 -!- Bahhumbug changed the topic of #se2600 to: im lucky i can add two numbers together 18:04 < Mercster> :-) 18:06 < Mercster> frankly i woulda gone for sdodson: yeah, man, im totally fucking [...] stupid 18:06 < Mercster> but i understand, you're not as good at chatting as me 18:06 < Mercster> OOH YEAH 18:08 <@Bahhumbug> that goes without saying. but there is a difference between being a moron (ie. stupid) and not being able to add two small integer quantities. 18:08 < Mercster> ooh ok bigtime 18:09 < Mercster> throw some more 3-syllable words my way 18:09 < Mercster> you sexy beast, you 18:09 <@Bahhumbug> I'd hate to give you an aneurysm. 18:10 < Mercster> that's 4 18:10 < Mercster> fail 18:10 * Bahhumbug pats Mercster on the head 18:10 <@Bahhumbug> such a good little troll 18:10 < Mercster> mmm 18:10 < Mercster> im not a troll, im just smarter than you 18:10 < Mercster> so stuff i say seems like a troll 18:11 < Mercster> because you have a poor self image 18:11 < Mercster> thanks for the pat tho :-) 18:11 -!- epoxy [~ls3@71-15-26-216.dhcp.hlrg.nc.charter.com] has joined #se2600 18:16 <@Bahhumbug> http://bbsdocumentary.dreamhost.com/photos/interviews.html - it's scary how many of these folks I know. 18:17 <@Bahhumbug> Corydon76-home: http://bbsdocumentary.dreamhost.com/photos/082phreaknic/index.html - interesting. 18:20 < Mercster> ooh yer famous 18:20 <@Bahhumbug> and how, pray tell, did your genius self get "famous" from that? 18:22 < Mercster> pray tell, huh? 18:23 < Mercster> ooh yer famous AND literary! 18:23 < Mercster> welcome to 2011, noone says "pray tell" anymore 18:24 < Mercster> unless you're trying to impress people on irc 18:24 < Mercster> then you might say it 18:24 * Mercster stares 18:24 <@Bahhumbug> I've no need to impress anyone, Mercster; especially the likes of yourself. 18:24 < Mercster> BURN 18:24 < Mercster> you have shamed me sir 18:27 < Mercster> pray tell, under whose tutelage have you acquired such a witty repartee, incorporating such biting curses upon my person?! 18:27 <@Bahhumbug> yer mom 18:27 * Mercster tries to get all 19th century on Bahhumbug 18:27 < Mercster> Bahhumbug: HAHAHAHA 18:27 <@Bahhumbug> :) 18:28 < Mercster> you have bested me 18:30 < Mercster> in response, i have nought to say, besides the fact that you can call dis my new shit 18:30 < Mercster> but it aint new though 18:30 < Mercster> i got ridda' my ol' bitch 18:30 < Mercster> now i gotta new ho 18:30 < Mercster> first it wuz tha benzo 18:31 < Mercster> now im in da ENZO 18:31 < Mercster> FERRARI 18:31 < Mercster> IM SORRY! 18:31 < Mercster> I KEEP 18:31 < Mercster> BLOWIN 18:31 < Mercster> UP! 18:31 * ShadowHntr preps the syringe with Thorazine :P 18:31 < Mercster> ShadowHntr: i was on that for awhile 18:32 <@Dagmar> Sadness... http://hardlink.net/ 18:32 < Mercster> Dagmar: MUDS! 18:32 <@ShadowHntr> i miss muds :) 18:32 < Mercster> shit, they're still up 18:32 <@ShadowHntr> doesn't ibiblio still host one? 18:33 < Mercster> every year or do i log back into a mud and try to level some 18:33 <@Bahhumbug> there are still a bunch of muds around. 18:33 < Mercster> yeah whats that site where you can browse them 18:33 < Mercster> mud... 18:33 < Mercster> uh 18:33 <@Bahhumbug> it's called "google" 18:33 < Mercster> mudconnect.com 18:33 <@Dagmar> Dunno 18:33 < Mercster> http://www.mudconnect.com/ 18:33 <@Dagmar> Check their hosting page 18:33 <@Dagmar> "We have over three years of experience in hosting Virtual Domains. We are connected to the Internet by a Full T1. All of our web servers run on SUN Sparc WorkStations running Solaris 2.5.1. We also have a 200 Mhz Pentium PRO PC running NT 4.0" 18:33 <@Dagmar> That *has* to be a cobweb 18:34 <@ShadowHntr> lol 18:34 <@Bahhumbug> heh, I was doing hosting on 2.5.1 back in those days as well :) 18:34 < Mercster> muds dont take much processing power 18:34 <@ShadowHntr> well you don't exactly need a lot to host a mud 18:34 <@ShadowHntr> :P 18:34 < Mercster> ShadowHntr: riiight 18:34 <@Dagmar> 200Mhz Pentium PRO? 18:34 <@Dagmar> ...and a T1! 18:34 <@Dagmar> Oooo 18:35 <@Bahhumbug> I had hundreds of users hanging off of a cluster of 90Mhz Pentiums. 18:35 <@Bahhumbug> from there to SS20's with Ross quad procs 18:35 <@Bahhumbug> (at a whopping 25Mhz each) 18:37 < Mercster> k 18:40 < Mercster> they call me tha cake man 18:40 < Mercster> the strawberry SHAKE MAN 18:40 < Mercster> i spray da AR... 18:40 < Mercster> have ya whole clique BREAKDANCE 18:42 < Mercster> now nigga, why YOU mad? 18:43 < Mercster> oh you caint do that? 18:43 < Mercster> im so forgetfull, they CALLIN ME COCKY 18:43 < Mercster> i come up out the jeweler, THEY CALLIN ME ROCKY 18:43 < Mercster> it's da ICE on my NECK man, da wrist an my LEFT hand 18:43 < Mercster> bling like, BLAOW 18:43 < Mercster> ya like my STYLE 18:43 < Mercster> uh uh 18:43 < Mercster> im headed to tha BANK RIGHT NOW 18:47 < Mercster> lame, SNL is a rerun tonight 19:19 <@Dagmar> Whoops. 19:20 <@Dagmar> Ghadafi got stupid a few days earlier than I thought 19:36 < Mercster> http://i.imgur.com/HfMby.jpg 19:40 < Mercster> BOOOOOOOOOM http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ccc_1300563244 19:40 < Mercster> nice video there 19:41 < Mercster> over benhgazi 19:41 < Mercster> libyan jet goes peeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww *crash* 19:42 < Mercster> http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3478243/Jet-shot-down-over-Libya.html 19:44 < Mercster> "what part of 'no fly zone' didnt you understand?" 19:51 < Mercster> > The Guardian confirms that it was the rebellion's only jet - shot down by Qaddafi's forces. 19:51 < Mercster> :/ 20:11 <@sdodson> "Wow U.S. fires 110 tomahawk missiles, each costs $569,000. That's more than 5 years of NPR federal funding in less than an hour." 20:13 <@sdodson> A co-worker of mine suffers from Jason Scott Syndrome. 20:13 <@sdodson> You know, where you feel you're an expert on anything and everything. 20:13 < Mercster> oh no, no more terry gross and 'prairie home companion' 20:13 -!- ShadowHntr [~alex@wikipedia/Shadowhntr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:14 < Mercster> with that dickhead garrison keillor 20:15 <@sdodson> Ya, I don't see the general public value in Praire Home Companion. 20:15 <@sdodson> Most of the other stuff is good though, and i think their reporting is better than most other sources. 20:15 < Mercster> as long as the PBS newshour survives, im cool 20:16 < Mercster> the rest of it can go take a long jump off the short pier 20:35 -!- ShadowHntr [~alex@wikipedia/Shadowhntr] has joined #se2600 20:35 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o ShadowHntr] by ChanServ 20:52 -!- epoxy [~ls3@71-15-26-216.dhcp.hlrg.nc.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:09 < dasunt> M[ou]'?am+[ae]r .*([AEae]l[- ])? [GKQ]h?[aeu]+([dtz][dhz]?)+af[iy] 21:09 < dasunt> ^- Somewhere, there's a news report by a well estabiled agency that breaks that regular expression. 21:11 -!- MaxieZ [~maxiez@maxiez.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:12 -!- MaxieZ [~maxiez@maxiez.com] has joined #se2600 21:14 < dasunt> Also, isn't the ".*" sloppy? 21:27 <@ShadowHntr> um... wtf was that? 22:15 < Mercster> if the moon was made of barbeque spare ribs, wouldja eat it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x7JYADhWIo 22:16 < Mercster> "id ask for seconds" 22:16 < Mercster> "get back in your van and leave, i dont ever wanna see you again" 22:56 <@sdodson> dasunt: you're a nerd 22:57 < Mercster> sdodson: oh who are you, captain of the football team? 22:57 <@sdodson> Mercster: ya 22:58 < Mercster> ya 22:58 < Mercster> you're so bigtime 22:58 <@sdodson> Mercster: i'm sorta a big deal 22:58 < Mercster> i can tell 23:02 <@sdodson> Mercster: send me a SASE and i'll send you my newsletter 23:25 < Mercster> farted 23:54 < Mercster> alright alright, ill give you that goldman's makes a decent pickle... 23:54 < Mercster> BUT HERTZEL'S IS STILL BETTER FOR GROUPS --- Log closed Sun Mar 20 00:00:20 2011