--- Log opened Thu Mar 03 00:00:40 2011 00:52 -!- ZombieChicken [~none@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has joined #se2600 02:14 <@Evilpig> http://vimeo.com/20412632 03:10 < Mercster> haha, gaddafi in a golf cart 03:10 < Mercster> wtf 03:10 < Mercster> it's like a sad version of the pope-mobile 04:10 -!- sync350 [~sync@c-98-242-80-239.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 05:34 -!- sync350 [~sync@c-98-242-80-239.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:01 -!- ZombieChicken [~none@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:33 < fie> Mercster, sup home slice 06:33 < Mercster> hi :) 06:42 < Mercster> ok maybe it wasnt, he looked a bit too young 06:42 < Mercster> but im still not sure 06:42 < Mercster> erp 06:42 < Mercster> wrong window 07:09 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@pdpc/supporter/silver/CRasH180] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:09 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@pdpc/supporter/silver/CRasH180] has joined #se2600 07:09 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o CRasH180] by ChanServ 07:15 < fie> http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhgzm5rYIf1qgmivlo1_500.png 07:15 -!- ZombieChicken [~none@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has joined #se2600 07:18 < Mercster> here come the bastards 07:47 < Dickie> Primus is good. 07:47 < Dickie> You are not. 07:47 < Dickie> I never want to associate the two again. 07:47 * Dickie frowns 07:48 < Dickie> Fucked around and /unignored * somehow 07:49 * Dickie glares at ladymerlin 07:51 < Mercster> Dickie: i dunno why you'd have me on ignore 07:51 < Mercster> we've agreed on quite a few things 07:51 < Mercster> sounds like yer a fuckin follower 07:51 < Mercster> "ooh it's cool to shit on Mercster!" 07:52 < Mercster> "i should do that too!" 07:52 < Dickie> Damn it! You've figured me out. 07:52 < Mercster> yep 07:53 < Dickie> Should have known not to have a battle of wits with you. 07:53 -!- epoxy [~ls3@71-15-26-216.dhcp.hlrg.nc.charter.com] has joined #se2600 07:53 < Dickie> I am clearly no match. 07:53 * Dickie bows 07:54 < Mercster> i accept your submission 07:54 < Dickie> I'll rest easy tonight, then. 07:54 < Mercster> mmm with me? 07:55 < Mercster> we could lay down together and rest 07:55 < Dickie> Weechat must be borked. 07:55 < Mercster> it's not gay, we're just pals 07:56 < Mercster> im ashamed 07:56 < Dickie> I assume that last one worked. 08:02 < Mercster> i assume you're an ass 08:03 < Dickie> Outerz0ne is creeping up. Does anyone know where I can get those giant Q-Tips they used on American Gladiators where two people battled on those pedestals? 08:03 < Dickie> I have a score to settle with mog publicly. 08:04 < Mercster> why dont you just dry your pussy and punch him in the mouth 08:04 < Mercster> like a real man 08:04 < Mercster> OH YEA, YER NOT A REAL MAN 08:04 < Mercster> AAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHHA 08:05 * Mercster coughs 08:07 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@pdpc/supporter/silver/CRasH180] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:12 <@Evilpig> anyone able to check a qr code for me? my phone doesn't seem to like it but this online scanner I tested does. http://imgur.com/jK45K 08:13 < Mercster> that's one thing i havent tried with my droid yet 08:13 < Mercster> reading the 2d barcodes 08:13 <@Evilpig> http://code.google.com/p/zxing/ 08:13 <@Evilpig> I was reading that droids can get a qr code that can configure the wifi for them. 08:13 < Mercster> no idea 08:14 < Mercster> wouldnt surprise me 08:14 <@Evilpig> gonna test it and if so there will be one in the PN15 program 08:15 < Mercster> in the last 24 hours ive mainly been shitting a brick over ther fact that i may have downloaded an android trojan 08:15 < Mercster> google removed ~50 trojans from the android market in the last 24 hours, but they dont have it set to erase apps from the individual handsets yet 08:16 < Mercster> one of them was called "Chess 08:16 < Mercster> I HAVE A DAMN CHESS APP 08:16 < Mercster> as far as i can tell it wasnt one of the trojan'd ones, but how the fuck do you know 08:20 <@opticron> Evilpig, worked for me 08:22 <@Evilpig> thx. we've got a neat idea for the con badges this year using the pdf417 codes. but nobody seems to have a scanner for those so the info would be mostly wasted 08:22 <@opticron> yeah...pdf417 is a tad rarer on a phone scanner 08:22 < Mercster> i wouldnt know what to do with the qr code once i captured it with the camera 08:22 <@opticron> is there an android app that does that? 08:23 < Mercster> i dont have a qr code app 08:23 <@opticron> Mercster, there are several barcode scanner apps that just use the video feed to capture codes live 08:23 <@Evilpig> not sure. we were looking at different id types and most all of the new licenses have a version of 2d barcode on the back of them 08:23 < Mercster> opt huh 08:23 < Mercster> erm 08:23 < Mercster> opticron: huh 08:24 < Mercster> opticron: havent downloaded any. is there one you suggest? 08:25 <@Evilpig> zebracrossing is looking like the defacto standard for the android scanner 08:25 <@Evilpig> zxing 08:25 <@opticron> Mercster, the one I use is called "barcode scanner" 08:25 <@opticron> there's also ixmat that I have installed 08:26 <@Evilpig> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:QR_Code_Structure_Example.svg I found this very interesting this morning as well 08:27 < Mercster> hm 08:29 * Mercster downloads ZXing's barcode scanner 08:30 <@opticron> oh...the "barcode scanner" I have installed is apparently zxing's scanner 08:30 < Mercster> yeah 08:30 < Mercster> thats what i saw 08:30 < Mercster> i tried to search for zebra crossing, no go 08:30 < Mercster> but one of the barcode scanners is published by "ZXing" 08:30 < Mercster> so i figure that's the one to get 08:30 <@opticron> it works well enough for me 08:31 < Mercster> ok 08:31 < Mercster> here we go 08:32 < Mercster> Evilpig: works here 08:32 <@Evilpig> thx 08:32 < Mercster> Evilpig: phreaknic.info 08:33 < Mercster> that's crazy, i was getting it into the camera's view, and i thought i had to press something or tap theb screen to get it to read the QR code 08:33 < Mercster> nope, just get it in focus well enough, bam 08:33 < Mercster> it reads it with no input 08:33 < Mercster> that's pretty crazy 08:36 -!- Venom_X [~pjacobs@75.92.43.21] has joined #se2600 08:36 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Venom_X] by ChanServ 08:45 < Mercster> :) 09:09 -!- m0j0-j0j0 [~jkemp@cnet520-hosoc.nandomedia.com] has joined #se2600 09:13 < Mercster> hi m0j0-j0j0 09:14 < m0j0-j0j0> Mercster: sup? 09:14 < Mercster> not much 09:32 -!- Neoteric [~timball@enki.sunlightfoundation.com] has joined #se2600 09:32 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Neoteric] by ChanServ 09:39 < Todd> sdodson: shh don't tell anyone 09:40 < Todd> 09:47 < epoxy> 09:48 <@Husky> 09:52 -!- Venom_X [~pjacobs@75.92.43.21] has quit [Quit: Venom_X] 09:54 -!- Venom_X [~pjacobs@66.54.185.131] has joined #se2600 09:54 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Venom_X] by ChanServ 10:09 -!- Dolemite_ is now known as Dolemite 10:09 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Dolemite] by ChanServ 10:09 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 10:34 <@oddball> Dear Samsung: don't ask for the serial number when you really want the IMEI number. Especially when there's a different number on your product listed as the S/N number. 10:45 <@Evilpig> oddball: never expect a company to make sense. their job is to make life as difficult on you as possible. it is your job to become frustrated with the process and then break the device in some manner that couldn't possibly be their fault and thereby cause you to buy another and have them negate your warranty claim 10:47 -!- fie_ [~fie@adsl-75-31-162-3.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 10:47 -!- fie [~fie@ppp-71-138-186-151.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:48 <@Evilpig> on another note... SUCCESS! 10:48 <@Neoteric> http://tcamp11.eventbrite.com/ 10:57 -!- dasunt_ [~dasunt@174-20-131-107.mpls.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:57 -!- dasunt [~dasunt@174-20-131-107.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #se2600 11:01 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@pdpc/sponsor/digium/brimstone] has quit [Disconnected by services] 11:01 -!- brimston3 [~brimstone@the.narro.ws] has joined #se2600 11:01 -!- zz_[1NF0] [~1NF0@masteronone.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:02 -!- [1NF0] [~1NF0@masteronone.com] has joined #se2600 11:02 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o [1NF0]] by ChanServ 11:19 -!- brimston3 is now known as brimstone 11:19 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@the.narro.ws] has quit [Changing host] 11:19 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@pdpc/sponsor/digium/brimstone] has joined #se2600 11:19 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o brimstone] by ChanServ 11:28 -!- oddball [~oddball@c-76-22-243-130.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:28 -!- dsockwell [~dsockwell@denhac.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:28 -!- dsockwell [~dsockwell@denhac.org] has joined #se2600 11:28 -!- oddball [~oddball@c-76-22-243-130.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 11:48 <@Evilpig> if I asked any of you about phreaknic and you had just one word to respond to me with. what is it? 11:49 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: fie_, @Venom_X, dasunt 11:51 -!- Netsplit over, joins: dasunt, fie_, @Venom_X 11:54 -!- ZombieChicken [~none@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:54 -!- ZombieChicken [~none@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has joined #se2600 11:57 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: fie_, @Venom_X, dasunt 11:58 -!- Netsplit over, joins: dasunt 11:59 -!- Netsplit over, joins: fie_ 11:59 < Mercster> Evilpig: fags 12:00 -!- Venom_X [~pjacobs@66.54.185.131] has joined #se2600 12:00 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Venom_X] by ChanServ 12:01 <@Evilpig> too late. i'm not putting your name on it Mercster 12:02 < Mercster> k 12:03 -!- sasquatc4 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timeout: 252 seconds] 13:59 < Mercster> i still like that old time rock and roll 13:59 < Mercster> that kinda music just soothes the soul... 13:59 < Mercster> i reminisce about the days of old 14:00 < Mercster> with that old time rock and roll 14:01 <@Bahhumbug> #typinglyricsouttoapublicchannelbecauseIhavenolife is over -> that way. 14:02 < Mercster> my cock is in -> your mouth 14:03 < Mercster> who the fuck are you, check out #botheringpeoplefornoreasonotherthanthey'retypinglyricsouttoapublicchannelbecausetheyhavenolife 14:03 < Mercster> you got something to say? fuckin say it dude, i wont bother you with lyrics 14:03 < Mercster> the channel is fucking dead 14:03 <@Husky> leave it be 14:03 < Mercster> it's dead 32 hours at a time 14:04 < Dickie> I knew I should have +s on that channel 14:04 <@Husky> * #botheringpeoplefornoreasonotherthanthey'retypinglyricsouttoapublicchannelbecausetheyhavenolife :Illegal channel name 14:04 <@Husky> :/ 14:04 <@Husky> i wanted to join seriously 14:04 < Mercster> Husky: haha :) 14:05 < Mercster> freenode's ircd is deficient 14:05 < Mercster> or maybe it was just the ' 14:05 <@Husky> nope 14:05 < Dickie> You should check out #defendingimmatureshmuckswhospamIRCchannels 14:06 <@Husky> im not defending 14:06 < Mercster> yeah im a real menace 14:06 < Mercster> i typed 4 lines of a bob segar song 14:06 < Mercster> the channel is tanking because of *me* 14:06 < Mercster> good theory 14:06 < Dickie> Fine. 14:06 < Mercster> maybe im providing the only entertainment you'd seen in hours 14:06 < Mercster> have you ever thought of that 14:07 < Mercster> if you look at irc and see lyrics, i dunno why the fuck you would bother about typing in response to it 14:07 < Mercster> unless you didnt like the song for some reason 14:07 < Mercster> i could understand that 14:07 <@Husky> everyone so edgy 14:08 < Dickie> What the fuck is that supposed to mean!? 14:08 <@Husky> singing on irc is lame tho ;/ 14:08 * Dickie flips a table 14:08 <@Husky> unless its a music channel or something 14:08 < Mercster> Husky: there are levels of lame. lurking, which is what most people do, isn't far off on the lame table 14:09 < Mercster> i mean, if there's a conversation going on, and i started spouting lyrics, i could understand why people would protest 14:14 * Mercster twiddles 14:14 < Mercster> sdodson: you awake? 14:15 <@Bahhumbug> you spamming crap for no other reason than to hear yourself "talk" is lame. you setting off activity alerts because you've no fucking life is lame. 14:15 -!- mode/#se2600 [-o Bahhumbug] by Bahhumbug 14:16 < Mercster> Bahhumbug: k go back to, whatever 14:16 < Mercster> "activity alerts"...rofl 14:17 < Mercster> yeah this is the heartbeat, the center of your day. sorry i set off a #se2600 "alert" because i typed 4 lines of a song 14:17 < Mercster> sounds drastic 14:18 < Mercster> no worries, im gonna go back to drinking beer and basically rocking out like charlie sheen 14:18 <@Husky> tool 14:18 < Mercster> have fun with your channel :) 14:21 < Bahhumbug> Are you independentl wealthy, Mercster? Because it really appears that on top of no life you've no gainful employment either. 14:21 < Bahhumbug> Must me nice if so. 14:22 < Mercster> yeah, im retired 14:23 < Bahhumbug> is that "retired" as in living off your own savings or "retired" as in living off of us? Just askin. 14:24 <@Husky> retarded 14:24 < Mercster> haha 14:24 < Mercster> Husky: good one 14:24 < Mercster> yeah, im retarded 14:24 <@Husky> ya! 14:24 < Mercster> ;) 14:24 <@Corydon76-home> No, you're not; you're just disabled. 14:25 < Bahhumbug> well at least you admit it, Mercster. That's a step in the right direction. 14:25 < Mercster> im good enough 14:25 < Mercster> im smart enough 14:25 < Mercster> and doggone it...people like me 14:26 < Mercster> wait, no they dont 14:26 < Mercster> ok the first two parts were right 14:44 < Mercster> no doubt 14:44 < Mercster> here, i'll have one side of a conversation, instead of typing lyrics 14:44 < Mercster> that'll mean the channel's being used appropriately 14:45 < Mercster> haha 14:45 < Mercster> yeah 14:45 < Mercster> nah, they might come in this fall 14:46 < Mercster> i dunno. when is bonnaroo? 14:46 < Mercster> well its a damn song library thing 14:47 < Mercster> no...it fucking goes backward as randomly as forward does, so it's impossible to easily track back 14:48 < Mercster> i want to behead the developers 14:48 < Mercster> win7 14:51 < Mercster> fuck that. at least songbird reads all my id3 tags correctly 15:09 < Mercster> (Reuters) - Singers Beyonce and Mariah Carey have sought to distance themselves from the tainted Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi 15:09 < Mercster> headline news 15:33 < Mercster> huh, when did jennifer love hewitt become hideous? 16:09 < Mercster> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kP3G_KKMZ0 16:09 < Mercster> rofl 16:09 < Mercster> "crap mo stank?" "i cant do it right now" 16:47 -!- K4k [~K4k@c-24-98-78-253.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:48 -!- K4k [~K4k@c-24-98-78-253.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 16:54 -!- Dolemite [~scott@h96-60-254-248.cncrtn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has quit [Quit: BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it.] 17:35 -!- uSynx [~Synx@unaffiliated/synxhm/x-393023] has joined #se2600 17:36 < uSynx> someone school me on ipv6 17:36 < uSynx> ive been assigned an address but i dont quite understand the notation 17:36 < uSynx> 2A01:###:FFFF:####::/64 is my address 17:36 < uSynx> that is a bank of addresses is it not? 17:37 < uSynx> and the second only has 3 dec not 4 im confused 17:54 -!- uSynx [~Synx@unaffiliated/synxhm/x-393023] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:03 -!- m0j0-j0j0 [~jkemp@cnet520-hosoc.nandomedia.com] has quit [Quit: Comments like that are why you have no friends] 18:34 -!- Venom_X [~pjacobs@66.54.185.131] has quit [Quit: Venom_X] 19:03 -!- mtown_nerd [~jhester@216.37.94.122] has joined #se2600 19:03 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o mtown_nerd] by ChanServ 20:09 -!- mtown_nerd [~jhester@216.37.94.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:09 -!- unixfg [~ryan@216.37.94.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:35 <@NotLarry> ok, so, just so I understand, this Westboro Baptist Church says that the only people got wants sucking cock are women? 20:41 -!- sasquatc4_ [~quassel@c-174-51-24-240.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 20:42 -!- sasquatc4 [~sasquatc4@c-174-51-24-240.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [] 20:42 -!- sasquatc4_ is now known as sasquatc4 20:42 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sasquatc4] by ChanServ 20:44 -!- sasquatc4 [~quassel@c-174-51-24-240.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:44 -!- sasquatc4 [~quassel@c-174-51-24-240.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 20:44 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sasquatc4] by ChanServ 20:48 < Bahhumbug> does it matter what that outfit says? 20:53 <@Corydon76-home> NotLarry: Actually, they don't want anybody sucking cock. Missionary position only 21:18 <@Corydon76-home> Hey, I received my first bill for webhosting services... $0.05 for the first month 21:20 < Bahhumbug> that's just stupid. 21:21 <@Husky> what is that, pay by how much bandwith you use? 21:28 <@Dagmar> Semes reasonable to me 21:40 <@Dagmar> uSynx: oh you're in a world of pain learning ipv6 21:44 < Bahhumbug> he left :) 21:44 < Bahhumbug> I highly recommend the HE ipv6 primer for people that've never touched it before. 22:25 <@Dagmar> Right... so... 22:26 <@Corydon76-home> Husky: Exactly 22:26 <@Corydon76-home> Bandwidth + storage costs 22:26 <@Dagmar> This is probably holy war territory, but I'm just gonna say it because I can't be the only one thinking it 22:26 <@Dagmar> Canonical needs to fucking buy Redhat 22:26 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: what for? 22:26 <@Dagmar> ...or RedHat needs to buy Canonical. One or the other and frankly I don't care which 22:27 <@Dagmar> RHEL Workstation is a fucking mess 22:27 <@Dagmar> ...and RedHat's installer still sucks a big fat cock 22:27 <@Corydon76-home> That's why Canonical won't touch it 22:28 -!- chi [~chi@unaffiliated/chi] has joined #se2600 22:28 <@Dagmar> Well, Canonical is pretty much only a few support programs, a certification track, and a little more higher-level organization for enterprise management away from eating Redhat's lunch 22:28 <@Corydon76-home> I mean, you might as well demand that Patrick Volkerding finally throw in the towel and retire Slackware 22:28 < chi> any meetings in Chattanooga? 22:28 <@Dagmar> Hey, at least sane people don't expect Slackware to come out of the box as a polished workstation 22:28 <@Corydon76-home> chi: not that I know of 22:28 < chi> =/ 22:29 <@Dagmar> RHEL workstation looks like they took out a bunch of configuration apps in preparation for writing their own, and then got fucking bored and forgot about it 22:29 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: and that's why Volkerding needs to throw in the towel 22:29 <@Dagmar> GDM config... nonexistant 22:29 <@Dagmar> Dropline's last release was more feature-replete than RHEL Workstation 6. 22:30 <@Dagmar> ...and that's with Slacwkare under it. 22:30 <@Dagmar> That would be why Patrick Volkering is still relevant 22:30 <@Corydon76-home> Actually, it's more like RH engineers had a plan for doing something, and management stepped in and made a release in the middle 22:30 <@Dagmar> Well, let's hope they sort it out quickly 22:30 <@Dagmar> ...because RHEL Workstation is pretty damn unpleasant 22:31 <@Dagmar> I get the feeling that I'll probably be nuking what I just installed an replacing it with Server before the weekend is out 22:31 -!- chi [~chi@unaffiliated/chi] has left #se2600 ["http://ln-s.net/72ej"] 22:31 * brimstone stares 22:31 <@Corydon76-home> I don't know of anybody who buys RH and installs anything other than Server 22:31 <@Dagmar> Well, we've got RH so I need something I can beat the crap out of 22:32 <@Dagmar> Preferably something that can build compatible RPMs 22:32 <@Dagmar> I figured Workstation was the thing 22:32 <@Corydon76-home> The only point of RH is to have a platform on which certified applications will run, and you can point to it, and say "You fix it now now now!" 22:33 <@Dagmar> With the pain in the ass that it is weighed against the possibility that they might not be identical build environments, I'm gonna have to go with "Server on the notebook" 22:33 <@Corydon76-home> Essentially, all RH releases are like Ubuntu LTS releases 22:33 <@Dagmar> Except LTS releases don't suck 22:33 <@Dagmar> I mean, Ubuntu has *seriously* got their shit down in 10.10 22:33 <@Corydon76-home> But it's not about whether or not they suck... it's about having someone to point at 22:34 <@Corydon76-home> 10.10 is not LTS 22:34 <@Corydon76-home> 10.04 is LTS 22:34 <@Dagmar> I know 22:34 <@Dagmar> I just upped my last machine from 10.04 to 10.10 22:34 <@Corydon76-home> I still have a server on Hardy 22:34 <@brimstone> wow, 6.06 is still supported 22:35 <@brimstone> on the server side at least 22:35 <@Dagmar> Yeah but sheesh the people that must still be using it have got to be dead 22:35 <@Dagmar> ...or stuck with some commercial package that fired all their devs 22:35 <@Corydon76-home> but the point is not needing to mess with the platform 22:36 <@Corydon76-home> Those who are not in the IT biz need machines that don't need to be upgraded on a regular basis 22:37 <@Corydon76-home> Yes, unplugged from the Internet or behind a monitored firewall, but still 22:37 <@Dagmar> Frankly, a lot of those people should be working in the library industry 22:38 <@Corydon76-home> The only reason I upgrade my workstation is because it is NOT a production server, and I like little bells and whistles that come with the latest release 22:38 <@Dagmar> I like that the latest release works *well* 22:38 <@Dagmar> Just doing the basic shit to get RHEL workstation running and up to date, I must have typed in the root password about 30 times 22:38 < Bahhumbug> RHEL and "workstations" is a ridiculoous combination and it always has been. 22:38 <@Corydon76-home> I wonder what Shuttleworth will do in 7 years when he runs out of letters 22:39 < Bahhumbug> but yes, they've fucked up the channels greatly for EL6 22:39 < Bahhumbug> as far as Canonical. They don't have the bucks and RH would never, ever sell to them. 22:39 <@Corydon76-home> and Shuttleworth won't sell to RH 22:39 <@Dagmar> Just the reauthentication issue is dreadful. It's even a "solved" problem in the form of a PAM module that caches that, and freakin' Ubuntu has it 22:39 < Bahhumbug> Shuttleworth needs to be injected with Ebola. 22:40 <@Dagmar> Even if one doesn't buy the other if they'd just aggressively share tech they'd start making MS people cry 22:40 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: they don't need to. Ubuntu already has taken everything that is good about RH and incorporated it 22:40 < Bahhumbug> yeah, that's what Rich Hughes and Lennart are working on, along with the Unity garbage. 22:41 <@Corydon76-home> That's basically what LTS is 22:41 < Bahhumbug> hahahha 22:41 < Bahhumbug> except the whole "working distribution out of the box" thing. 22:41 < Bahhumbug> ubuntu's a fucking joke. 22:41 <@Dagmar> Unity's far from ready yet afaict 22:42 < Bahhumbug> of course it isn't 22:42 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: Huh? When was the last time you did a new Ubuntu install? 22:42 <@Corydon76-home> Bahhumbug: Dunno, quite a few places are already using Ubuntu for production servers 22:42 < Bahhumbug> shuttleworth will leach the constributions of outsides and incorporate it in ubuntu. just like he has everything else. 22:42 < Bahhumbug> I don't do ubuntu. I prefer installs that work. 22:42 <@Dagmar> The one thing I can say Ubuntu needs to do on that end is cozy up with LVM more 22:42 <@Dagmar> Beyond that, it installs and it does it quickly 22:42 < Bahhumbug> I do, however, keep up on the bugs. And ubuntu has never, ever, shipped a fully working distro. 22:42 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: they have 22:43 -!- unixfg [~ryan@216.37.94.122] has joined #se2600 22:43 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o unixfg] by ChanServ 22:43 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: They don't make it the default 22:43 < Bahhumbug> which is one of the reaons that timed releases are idiotic in an FOSS environment. 22:43 <@Dagmar> ....and it's a little hard to change / over 22:43 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: No, you're right, but it is an install option 22:43 <@Dagmar> I just kills me because they've got the installer interface down fucking pat 22:43 <@Corydon76-home> There's little point, given that most machines will never be upgraded past their initial configuration 22:44 <@Dagmar> RHEL can't even manage to get their installer to completely work 22:44 < Bahhumbug> oh? 22:44 < Bahhumbug> how so? 22:44 <@Corydon76-home> Bahhumbug: who are you responding to? 22:44 < Bahhumbug> not that I touch anaconda often, but when I do it works. 22:44 <@Dagmar> I beat my face on a desk about half the day trying to convince a unetbootinized image to goddamn install 22:44 -!- hobbes615 [~ryan@173.13.247.210] has joined #se2600 22:44 -!- hobbes615 [~ryan@173.13.247.210] has quit [Changing host] 22:44 -!- hobbes615 [~ryan@unaffiliated/hobbes615] has joined #se2600 22:44 <@Dagmar> RHEL 6 can't install properly from a local hard drive 22:44 <@Dagmar> It looks for the wrong bloody image 22:44 < Bahhumbug> Corydon76-home: dagmar's complaints about anaconda. 22:45 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: the only point of installing with LVM is if you plan on adding more disk in the future 22:45 < Bahhumbug> that may be. I wouldn't go that route for installs so I am unable to comment on it. 22:45 <@Dagmar> Corydon: Oddly, that actually happens. 22:45 <@Corydon76-home> If you're going to buy a whole new machine when you upgrade, you don't need LVM 22:45 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: right, but again, most people don't do that 22:46 < Bahhumbug> LTS doesn't default to LVM? 22:46 <@Dagmar> Nope 22:46 <@Corydon76-home> Bahhumbug: nope 22:46 < Bahhumbug> wow. and they call that an "enterprise" distro? really? 22:46 <@Dagmar> I dunno about Ubuntu server yet 22:46 <@Dagmar> I rather hope it's doing it 22:46 <@Corydon76-home> Most servers are initially provisioned with the maximum disk they'll have in their first lifetime 22:47 <@Dagmar> Not with NAS and SANs around they win't 22:47 < Bahhumbug> I can see the standard ubuntu clusterfuck not using it, most ubuntu users are less than clueful (present company exlcluded) and LVM would just confuse them to the point of crying and going back to windows. 22:47 <@Dagmar> s/win't/ain't/ 22:47 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: yeah, well, I have an illustration about a third done that'll probably fix that 22:47 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: Well, but you don't typically use LVM with NAS or SAN. 22:48 <@Dagmar> I realized two things during the RH training classes. 1. I know LVM better than I thought, and 2. LVM docs suck dick 22:48 < Bahhumbug> You greatly overestimate the typical ubuntard's intelligence, Dagmar. 22:48 <@Dagmar> Big greem monster dick 22:48 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: You might use LVM on the NAS or SAN box itself, but not on the servers mounting that disk 22:48 <@Dagmar> I would. 22:48 < Bahhumbug> As would I. 22:48 < Bahhumbug> As do I. 22:48 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: what for? It's redundant at that point 22:48 < Bahhumbug> I've not installed a server in the past large number of years that's not LVM. 22:48 <@Dagmar> We've got clients that keep poking us and asking for more disk 22:49 <@Corydon76-home> It's the NAS box that needs to be concerned with allocations 22:49 <@Dagmar> Most of them have a chunk of disk that was their original space that's just kind of sitting idle now 22:49 < Bahhumbug> not all boxes are connected to NAS/SAN devices. 22:49 < Bahhumbug> besides, LVM gives you goodies like snapshots. 22:50 <@Dagmar> Oh hell yes 22:50 <@Corydon76-home> Bahhumbug: I'm saying if you're using that kind of storage, then it doesn't make sense to do LVM for NAS 22:50 <@Dagmar> That's some sweet shit there 22:50 <@Corydon76-home> Not on the box mounting the NAS, just on the NAS box itself 22:50 < Bahhumbug> Corydon76-home: I've got boxen talking to SANs that still have LVM on the /. 22:50 <@Corydon76-home> and it also makes sense for database servers 22:51 <@Corydon76-home> Well, database servers whose storage needs grow 22:51 <@Dagmar> I didn't know they had snapshots fleshed out until the RHCE class 22:51 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home; And people putting up a shitload of videos 22:51 < Bahhumbug> there is still a race condition in the snapshot code, whatever you do, don't let your snapshot volumes reach 100%. 22:51 <@Corydon76-home> Heh 22:51 < Bahhumbug> but other than than, snapshots are the shit 22:51 <@Dagmar> Well, that's a given for anything like that afaik 22:52 < Bahhumbug> bleah, it's easily handled. 22:52 <@Dagmar> ...but with storage being pretty disposable, you can probably get away with making them really BIG knowing you can just ditch them shortly afterwards 22:52 < Bahhumbug> better than a fucking kernel panic. 22:52 < Bahhumbug> true 22:53 < Bahhumbug> and most people do just that, snap a volume, back it up, remove the snapshot. 22:53 < Bahhumbug> others try to implement WAFLs snapshot dynamics and that's where trouble pops up. 22:55 <@Dagmar> Mm... delicious waffles 22:56 <@Dagmar> Whoa. 22:56 <@Dagmar> Either Comcast's stuff is working disturbingly well tonight or the Fedora download sites are pretty beefy 23:02 < Bahhumbug> my money is on fedora 23:05 -!- epoxy [~ls3@71-15-26-216.dhcp.hlrg.nc.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:14 -!- sync350 [~sync@c-98-242-80-239.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 23:14 <@Dagmar> ~I'm going to boot this live CD and if I see what I think I'm going to see, the RHEL team should be mad at someone 23:23 <@Corydon76-home> Well, I just replaced the batteries in a 3000VA UPS 23:23 <@Corydon76-home> Cost $139.50 including shipping 23:25 < dasunt> I think we need to fix work. 23:25 < dasunt> Here's how distracting this is. 23:26 < dasunt> I come to work, and there's a laptop on the bench, needing to be reloaded. 23:26 < dasunt> I start to load it, and Windows doesn't see a hard drive. I curse, and start to google for the SATA drivers. 23:26 < dasunt> Anyways, phone rings, etc, and I don't get back to it for 4 hours. 23:26 < dasunt> I spend another half hour trying to find what driver this needs, being frustrated that nothing mentions custom sata drivers for this chipset. 23:27 < dasunt> So I go into the bios, just to see if there's a legacy IDE emulation mode. 23:27 < dasunt> That's when I discover that my coworker forgot to plug the drive in before he started to reload it. 23:27 < dasunt> I talked to him later -- he also searched for the SATA driver. 23:28 < dasunt> Gawd, the fucking phone support is so persistent and distracting that its so easy to lose track of what you're doing. 23:28 < dasunt> OH, and by "fix", I mean "search for a new job". 23:31 <@Corydon76-home> dasunt: I thought you worked for the Air Force 23:31 < dasunt> No. 23:32 < dasunt> Air force is less fucked up. 23:32 < dasunt> I work for private shit. 23:32 <@Corydon76-home> Or no, that's uSynx 23:32 < dasunt> Gawd, I don't think I'd want to work in a field where fragging my boss would result in a replacement. 23:32 < dasunt> The temptation... --- Log closed Fri Mar 04 00:00:40 2011