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02:34 < Mercster> this new white house press secretary looks 12
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05:07 < Mercster> bow-tie daddy, dont you blow your top...
05:07 < Mercster> everything's under control
09:06 <@Evilpig> just for anyone that was curious.  nagios is out nadios is in
09:06 <@Evilpig> according to one of our admins I also work with one of the ninja turtles.  raphael(sp?)
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11:13 < eryc> Dagmar: i suggest installing myth in a self-contained namespace, eg. --prefix=/opt/mythtv-1.2.3
11:14 < eryc> then new installs cannot find old ones, and you have an atomic update process
11:14 <@Dagmar> Fuckit.
11:14 <@Dagmar> MythBuntu works at least
11:15 <@Dagmar> I mean that linker path issue was something I told them about *repeatedly*
11:15 < eryc> as long as you like someone else at the wheel
11:15 <@Dagmar> At the moment both my hands need to be on the wheel that's trying to keep fucking Comcast in check, or I might as well just sell the hardware before it becomes obsolete
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11:17 < eryc> good point
11:21 <@Dagmar> Did you see that "version" thread last night?
11:27 < eryc> yea heh
11:28 < eryc> i hate perl modules
11:29 < eryc> i'm much happier with a .jar nowadays
11:30 < eryc> except there's many useful perl modules.. so i can't escape
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12:40 < eryc> http://i.imgur.com/A0faA.jpg
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13:45 <@sdodson> Has mythtv come a long way, do people still use it to capture shit or just play local media?
13:48 <@Corydon76-home> Evilpig: "nadios"?
13:50 <@Corydon76-home> sdodson: I still use it, albeit an older version
13:51 <@Corydon76-home> I'm about ready to cancel Comcast, though, due to their Xfinity shit
13:52 <@Corydon76-home> (TV, not Internet)
14:02 < eryc> i thought everyone used xbmc
14:03 < eryc> and liked xfinity
14:03 < eryc> they even have apps for that
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17:15 <@sdodson> eryc: xmbc works with xfinity?
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18:12 < eryc> sdodson: ya of course!
18:15 <@sdodson> eryc: cause it's just SDV?
18:15 <@sdodson> eryc: teach meh teh art of hax
18:23 < Shadow404> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkB_QMcVmlI
18:28 < eryc> oh i just made that up
18:28 < Shadow404> awww, you had sdodson all excited for a second.
18:28 < Shadow404> like when his mom gets out of the shower
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18:36 <@sdodson> Shadow404: what'd you do to upload that video? it seems to require flash to view where as most other youtube videos dont
18:36 < Shadow404> its just an wmv
18:36 < Shadow404> i used the web to upload it
18:36 <@sdodson> nevermind, now it plays without flash
18:36 < Shadow404> faildodson
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19:34 < Shadow404> netflix on android ftw
19:34 <@sdodson> I don't see the point in that unless you attach it to your tv.
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19:40 < Shadow404> sdodson: what do you mean, the video or the camera?
19:40 < Shadow404> i have youtube on the tv to play the video back
19:41 < Shadow404> hell i can play it 1024x780 (i think) version of the video i can play through the network server via the tv
19:44 <@sdodson> Shadow404: I don't see the point of netflix on a cell phone unless it's attached to a TV.
19:44 < Shadow404> what do you do when you dont have a tv available and want to watch a quick show
19:45 < Shadow404> like, waiting in a car for the confrence to start in at a management meetng
19:46 <@sdodson> I don't generally have free time like that.
19:46 < Shadow404> or, what do you slag off to when in line at the dmv, i dont think i can carry a widescreen tv 54 inch screen, while queing to get my tagged change
19:46 < Shadow404> ahhhh, i see cause your super vip busy
19:47 <@sdodson> Well, during the business day ya, I generally don't have any free time.
19:47 < Shadow404> heh, i started off with 18 outages, was down to 3, pending customer config, i feel accomplished today
19:48 < eryc> netflix netflix or that paid app netflix?
19:48 <@sdodson> good job
19:48 < Shadow404> woot, i forgot to brag about this till now, but i got my travel expenses approved for a trip to the u.k for corporate training
19:48 < Shadow404> wooot
19:48 < Shadow404> going to the hq office in london
19:49 < eryc> cheery fuckin o mate!
19:49 < Shadow404> i already started ordering stuff in the uk boutiques, i can pick up when i arrive, instead of paying shipping cost
19:50 < eryc> netflix?
19:50 <@sdodson> boutiques?
19:50 < eryc> splain
19:50 < Shadow404> free app for subscription payers
19:50 < eryc> ya wut
19:50 <@sdodson> are you suddenly eurofag?
19:50 < Shadow404> not out for public domain yet
19:50 < eryc> oh for atrix?
19:50 < Shadow404> still in beta
19:50 < eryc> give me apk
19:50 < Shadow404> sdodson: not fag, but open
19:51 < Shadow404> to non-mainstream stuff
19:51 < eryc> open?
19:51 <@sdodson> Shadow404: What have you ordered?
19:51 < Shadow404> im not gonna get that defined
19:51 < eryc> panties
19:51 < Shadow404> sdodson: your head may explode
19:51 <@sdodson> Why would my head explode?
19:51 < Shadow404> eryc: im married, got plenty of those
19:51 <@sdodson> I'm an open minded guy.
19:51 < Shadow404> wife loves wheni dress up in the red ones
19:52 < Shadow404> sdodson: your one of the group, i wouldnt never tell stuff private about
19:52 < eryc> gays get married too
19:52 < Shadow404> lawl
19:52 < Shadow404> and you will probably be part of that group
19:52 <@sdodson> So what cool shit can you get in the UK?
19:52 <@sdodson> I want to hear
19:53 < eryc> yes what cool shit
19:53 < Shadow404> stuff, you cant readily get in the us
19:53 < eryc> ?
19:53 < Shadow404> or not in quality
19:53 < eryc> you can ship you said
19:54 < eryc> i want to ship me cool shit from uk!
19:54 <@sdodson> ya!
19:54 <@sdodson> stop holding out on us!
19:54 <@Bahhumbug> Perhaps a book to teach one about the diffences in "your" and "you're"?
19:54 < eryc> look im on my phone start talking
19:54 <@sdodson> I wanna be a eurodude too!
19:55 <@sdodson> Bahhumbug: He'll just rant about how this isn't English class, I've given up on it.
19:55 < Shadow404> bah: you got it
19:56 < Shadow404> good english manuals are hard to come by in the us, and they are heavy yo ship
19:56 < Shadow404> damn you smart bah
19:56 < eryc> boutiques bitch!
19:56 < eryc> tell us
19:56 <@sdodson> Shadow404: MAN I AM JEALOUS!
19:57 <@sdodson> Say it!
19:57 < Shadow404> i know i would be too
19:57 <@sdodson> I want some boutique shit. That sounds leet and arisocratic.
19:57  * sdodson waits for it
19:57 < Shadow404> whats the green drink you heat up like coke
19:57 < eryc> ya me too
19:57 < Shadow404> fgorgot the name of it
19:57 < eryc> absinthe
19:57 <@sdodson> Absynthe?
19:57 < Shadow404> aye, thats scary
19:58 <@sdodson> you can get that there
19:58 < Shadow404> you knew it right away when i said prepare coke
19:58 < eryc> ya fuck that dumb shit
19:58 < Shadow404> heh
19:58 < eryc> thats it?
19:58 < Shadow404> i was thinking of getting some and having you try it at oz
19:58 <@sdodson> I can't go to OZ :(
19:58 < eryc> thats all this boutique shit was about?
19:59 < Shadow404> sdodson: to busy with vip stuff?
19:59 < eryc> somehow i knew it was going to be absinthe
19:59 < Shadow404> aye, im proud of you
19:59 <@sdodson> Ya dawg, let us in on that shit. I wanna pay £ for some shit that's overpriced too!
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19:59 < Shadow404> sdodson: not the quality you get in the us
20:00 < eryc> dude just drink some tussin
20:00 < Shadow404> those manuals just aren't as good in the us
20:00 <@sdodson> Shadow404: I've had absinthe that was smuggled into this country in the crotch of a 19 year old girl.
20:00 < Shadow404> eryc: yah, absinthe, tussin made me sick
20:00 < eryc> if you want shitty psychotropics
20:00 < eryc> ...
20:01 < Shadow404> sdodson, pm for a sec
20:01 <@sdodson> oh boy i can't wait
20:01 < Shadow404> this shitty client doesnt do tx
20:01 < eryc> oh shit just got real
20:01 <@sdodson> ITS ON!
20:01 <@sdodson> sorry, Bahhumbug, IT'S ON
20:02 < Shadow404> hey, why no oz sdodson
20:02 <@sdodson> Shadow404: I told you, I'm an IT pimp, I don't have time for that shit.
20:02 < Shadow404> oz to cool for you?
20:02 <@sdodson> I have a release that weekend.
20:03 < Shadow404> so, you got vpn and a laptop?
20:03 <@sdodson> I can't do it while getting crunk with you on boutique absinthe though.
20:04 <@sdodson> Actually, I'm not in charge of any of the projects being released. I may be able to weasel my way out of it. I should check.
20:04 < Shadow404> what if the botique stay in the uk and theres no absinthe, pm me for a sec, i cant open a pm window with this shitty client
20:04 <@sdodson> /msg Shadow404 what r u wear'n?
20:04 <@sdodson> damn
20:05 < eryc> sexy panty for u
20:05 <@sdodson> eryc: from boutique?!
20:05 < eryc> yes boutique!
20:06 < Shadow404> shh, sdodson, they'll figure it out
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20:07 < Shadow404> eryc: you can have party with sdodsom mom, she has huge panty
20:15 <@sdodson> How bout da Bears?
20:15 <@sasquatc4> http://www.anonnews.org/?p=press&a=item&i=585
20:16 <@sdodson> wait, how's Koch Industries involved?
20:16 <@sasquatc4> its in there
20:17 <@sasquatc4> they got the gov to attach a rider thats unnoticed
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20:20 <@Bahhumbug> not likely I'll be boycotting my TP of choice.
20:21 <@sdodson> Bahhumbug: over or under?
20:21 < Shadow404> hey, sorry, but i dont have the will to boycott against Quilted Northern
20:22 < Shadow404> i gotta have premium paper to clean my ass
20:22 < Shadow404> sdodson is front to back
20:22 <@sasquatc4> hey charmin is good stuff
20:23 <@sdodson> Unions of public workers doesn't make sense.
20:24 <@Bahhumbug> Walker should be taken out and shot in the back of the head.  But I'm still not giving up my TP of choice :)
20:24 <@sdodson> I'd like to see references provided.
20:24 <@sasquatc4> si
20:24 <@sdodson> Bahhumbug: I've not been following it, other than what was mentioned in the link provided what has walker done?
20:24 <@Bahhumbug> union busting
20:24 <@Bahhumbug> in a gernalized nutshell
20:24 <@Bahhumbug> err, generalized
20:25 <@sdodson> What's he proposing? I thought it was just allowing people to opt out of union dues.
20:26 <@Bahhumbug> heh, walker's got a 10+ year history of trying to bust unions; this latest stunt is nothing new.
20:27 <@sdodson> gah, it's hard finding anything that outlines what he's proposed.
20:28 <@sasquatc4> ahh hah, found it
20:28 <@sasquatc4> someone posted the bill in the comments
20:28 <@Bahhumbug> he proposed doing away with the concept of collective bargaining for unionized workers, that's the biggest iussue.
20:29 <@sasquatc4> http://legis.wisconsin.gov/2011/data/JR1SB-11.pdf
20:29 <@sasquatc4> top of page 24
20:29 <@Bahhumbug> WI is a union state, I am still not sure how he ever got elected except to toss the blame on the tea partiers.
20:32 <@sdodson> looks like the bill blocks a bunch of groups from collective bargaining
20:36 <@sdodson> Ok, I don't feel good about public employees being unionized. That seems backwards to have a public employee entering into collective bargaining against the tax payers.
20:36 <@sdodson> Public employees accept a tradeoff of risk versus earning potential.
20:37 <@sdodson> It's virtually impossible to be a public employee and not end up earning a pension. I have to save my money and build my own retirement.
20:39 <@sasquatc4> not anymore, most of them have the same sort of retirement buildup, they have a gov version of a 401k
20:40 <@sasquatc4> dont remember what its called, girlfriend had it when she worked for the government
20:41 <@sdodson> ya, i forget what it was, i had to contribute to the Georgia Teachers Retirement System
20:42 <@sdodson> 401A is what it was there
20:52 < eryc> http://www.thewildernessdowntown.com/
20:54 <@sdodson> eryc: did you like their grammy performance?
20:54 < eryc> i didnt watch the grammys
20:55 < eryc> link?
20:55 <@sdodson> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjKE2T3-DOI  It gave me epilepsy
20:56 <@sdodson> I figured they just sucked so flashing bright lights at people made it so you couldn't see that they sucked.
20:56 <@Bahhumbug> black eyed peas tried that during the SB; didn't work too well.
20:56 <@sdodson> I don't like black eyed peas.
20:57 <@Bahhumbug> fergie can sing; not a fan of the group, though.
20:57 <@sdodson> Will.I.Am is big into shilling for salesforce.com which feels so strange.
20:58 <@Bahhumbug> I like his stanc on public education and respect the work he's towards that; not a fan of his electronic-laden "vocal" crap.
20:58 <@Bahhumbug> meh, s/stanc/stance/
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20:59 <@sdodson> I'm not familiar with that stuff.
20:59 < Bahhumbug> He's a big proponent for raising the education levels in the US.
20:59 < Bahhumbug> Esp wrt inner-city (ie. improverished) school systems.
21:00 < eryc> why should we spend more money on those inner-city criminals
21:00 < eryc> they can get on the job training at walmart
21:01  * Bahhumbug loses interest in trolls.
21:01 < eryc> clearly its a valid standpoint or we wouldn't need a celebrity to campaign against it
21:01 <@sdodson> Wake County is going back to neighborhood schools here. I should get involved in that stuff.
21:07 < eryc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5EVcvT6olw&feature=player_embedded#at=233
21:07 <@Dagmar> Meh.  The unions woudn't have any pull if the gov't would quit leeching money out of the educational system for "whatever bridge to nowhere" needs building
21:07 <@Dagmar> I am still banned from calling Valentine on 99.7, BTW
21:08 <@Dagmar> heh
21:08 <@Dagmar> SOme asshat was on there licking up to Valentine about how since we have the best movies and the best technology, "SOmething must be working right!"
21:08 <@sdodson> I signed up for remote storage for backup purposes and I'mhaving a hard time finding anything I care enough about to back up.
21:08 <@Dagmar> I was going to call and point out that that's the wrong fucking question
21:09 <@Dagmar> The question that should be asked is "Where would we be if it worked *well*?"
21:09 <@sdodson> Still at the top of the world?
21:09 <@Dagmar> sdodson: You could have the opposite problem
21:10 <@Dagmar> One of my co-workers is the reason MOzy changed their "unlimited backup space" policy
21:10 <@Dagmar> He was trying to backup a 4Tb array
21:10 <@Dagmar> ...and found out that if you pay Comcast for "extra soopa speed" they still kept you to the 250Gb limit
21:11 <@sdodson> I don't feel the need to back up my midget and goat porn.
21:11 <@Dagmar> He went WAY over it and got 'a call' about it.  hehe
21:14 <@sdodson> Oh, in other areas. Anyone know of free drupal hosting?
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21:31 < eryc> ok
21:35 <@sdodson> wow, that sounds like an awesome irc client!
21:36 < eryc> i bet its from a boutique
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21:41 <@Gerdesas> wow.  this is a pretty shitty client.
21:42 <@Dagmar> I find their screenshot amusing.
21:42 <@Dagmar> What kind of lunatic uses a white background for IRC?
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21:43 < Bahhumbug> meh...
21:43 < Bahhumbug> I do :(
21:44 <@sdodson> I use green on black for IRC.
21:44 <@sdodson> All other terminals I use are black on white
21:45 <@sdodson> Wow, I just spun up a multi node loadbalanaced drupal cluster by basically just hitting "go"
21:46 <@sdodson> not only that but it autoscales the cluster, wow
21:47 < eryc> huh
21:51 <@sdodson> http://drupal-elasticload-f4uvgnnq1gbk-1302125511.us-east-1.elb.amazonaws.com/?q=node cool site bro!
21:54 < eryc> did you pay for that
21:55 <@sdodson> I'm just playing around. It'll probably end up costing me pennies i'm sure
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21:56 < eryc> i've been clicking on it over and over
21:56 < eryc> i'm gonna put it in a while loop
21:56 <@sdodson> eryc: :(
21:57 < eryc> heh
21:57 < eryc> what did you use to create it?
21:57 < eryc> does ec have drupal shit?
21:57 <@sdodson> eryc: Ya, i guess they just launched "Cloud Formation" which lets you set up templates, one of them they had is drupal
21:58 <@sdodson> creates two ec2 instances, a db instance, and a load balancer plus all sorts of alerts and automation to scale it out as needed.
21:59 < eryc> neat
22:09 < eryc> http://www.ispyce.com/2011/02/microsoft-shows-off-radical-new-ui.html
22:15 < eryc> http://englishrussia.com/index.php/2009/05/06/robo-somethings/
22:32 <@sdodson> eryc: you killed my site!
22:33 < eryc> sorry bro
22:33 < eryc> i get a dns fail now
22:33 < eryc> sdodson: what you do
22:34 <@sdodson> I shut it down. I want to play with drupal locally before playing with it where i have to pay.
22:37 < eryc> yea
22:37 < eryc> maybe get a linode
22:37 <@sdodson> you think linode would be chearper?
22:37 < eryc> than amazon? yea
22:37 <@sdodson> i just want a blog so I can be emo
22:37 < eryc> but no fancy loadbalancer shit
22:38 < eryc> i have a $20/mo vps i toy with
22:38 < eryc> also my irc shell
22:39 < eryc> mines opensolaris tho
22:39 <@sdodson> you think oracle is going to kill off solaris?
22:40 < eryc> no
22:40 < Bahhumbug> opensolaris, yes.  solaris?  no.  opensolaris will possibly live on as OpenIndiana, though.
22:40 < Bahhumbug> (or Indiana, whatever that project name is)
22:41 < eryc> they might release the source
22:42 < eryc> not sure what your point is
22:43 < eryc> solaris 11 is really cool
22:45 < eryc> zfs, dtrace, fma, smf, crossbow
22:45 < eryc> linux has nothing close to those
22:47 < eryc> amirite?
22:58 <@sdodson> I don't know.
22:58 <@sdodson> eryc: btrfs, systemtap for the first two. I'm completely unfamiliar with the others.
22:59 < eryc> fault mgmt arch
22:59 < eryc> basically a framework that alerts you for hardware failures
22:59 < eryc> does linux have anything to do that?
22:59 <@sdodson> linux has that
23:00 <@sdodson> edac
23:00 < eryc> like if a fan fails?
23:01 <@sdodson> Yes.
23:01 <@sdodson> That would come across the smbus if supported. EDAC is mostly for pci busses and memeory faults
23:01 < eryc> yea i just read that
23:02 < eryc> so.. pretty close but like.. infancy stages
23:02 <@sdodson> No.
23:03 <@sdodson> We have some of what smf seems to be. None of the built in health status stuff though.
23:04 < eryc> get on it
23:04 <@sdodson> Crossbow seems to be SRIOV?
23:04 < eryc> also systemtap isn't as good as dtrace
23:05 <@sdodson> I won't make the argument that it's as good as dtrace, but I'll hapilly make the argument that it's good enough.
23:07 < eryc> sriov sounds cool
23:07 < eryc> crossbow is network virtualization like what vmware has
23:07 <@sdodson> sriov is just a function of particular hardware
23:07 < eryc> vnics, vswitches, vlans, etc
23:07 <@sdodson> ya, we have bridges too, yawwwwwwn
23:07 < eryc> eh its not bridges
23:07 <@sdodson> Just can't control them with IOS like commands and sell it for thousands of dollars.
23:09 <@sdodson> It's bridges with knobs.
23:10 <@sdodson> I don't really know.
23:10 < eryc> http://download.oracle.com/docs/cd/E19963-01/821-1458/gfkby/index.html
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23:11 <@sdodson> I didn't read the entire doc, but I don't see anything in there that can't be done with bridges.
23:12 <@sdodson> bridges and qemu
23:12 < eryc> does btrfs have dedup, compression, and encryption?
23:12 < eryc> yea but this is secure
23:12 <@sdodson> my nuts are secure
23:12 < eryc> bridges and qemu is like running windows
23:13 < eryc> weekend update is on
23:13 <@sdodson> eryc: thanks, brb then i'll pwnzor j0o
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23:15 <@sdodson> eryc: rerun :(
23:16 < eryc> oh
23:16 < eryc> i never watch this
23:16 < eryc> my bad MY APOLOGIES
23:16 < Mercster> wow http://www.geek.com/articles/geek-cetera/discovery-launch-as-viewed-from-a-passenger-flight-20110226/
23:18 <@sdodson> eryc: no btrfs doesn't do all that
23:19 < eryc> BECAUSE ITS INFERIOR
23:19 < eryc> RAWWWWWRRRR
23:20 < eryc> anyway
23:20 < eryc> you guys should copy all this shit
23:20 < eryc> instead of being a hater
23:24 < eryc> http://www.urlesque.com/2010/05/12/26-haters-gonna-hate-images/
23:27 <@sdodson> eryc: can't due to licenses
23:28 < eryc> pussy
23:28 <@sdodson> eryc: it may be freebsd users, but zfs users seem to be really tolerant of "zomg, my zfs volume just died and it only took me 36 hours to recover, MAN I LOVE ZFS THANK YOU JESUS FOR THE BLESSINGS"
23:28 < eryc> that didn't stop you with SCO
23:29 < eryc> idk about all that
23:30 <@sdodson> ya you do, don't lie to me
23:31 < eryc> why dont u install openindiana and try it out
23:31 < eryc> i used freebsd a couple times, that shit sucks
23:32 < eryc> so fuck whatever they be whinin about
23:33 < eryc> night
23:34 <@sdodson> eryc: indiana sucks, it's cold, flat and full of corn
23:34 <@Dagmar> From the ell to the vee to the emm
23:35 <@sdodson> btrfs is replacing a lot of what lvm does
23:35 < eryc> lvm blows
23:35 <@Dagmar> Nope.  LVM works great.
23:36 < eryc> great?
23:36 <@sdodson> It works for me. I don't know what you're trying to do though.
23:36 < eryc> i am trying to cure cancer
23:37 < eryc> i haven't done a lot with lvm actually
23:37 < eryc> but i think the commands are esoteric compared to zfs
23:37 <@sdodson> eryc: oh, you have to add --relay-for-life option
23:38 < eryc> and the whole BaseVol00 shit is retarded looking
23:38 <@sdodson> what's a simple command in zfs that perplexes you in lvm?
23:39 < eryc> say you want to create a simple mirror with zfs
23:39 < eryc> zpool attach rpool <dev> <2nddev>
23:40 < eryc> whats the command in linux?
23:41 < eryc> or how about say you want to create a raid5 volume
23:42 < Bahhumbug> so much noise.
23:42 <@sdodson> you wouldn't normally use lvm for that
23:42 < eryc> zpool create tank raidz <dev1> <dev2> <dev3> ...
23:42 < Bahhumbug> you are running under the (misguided) belief that oracraple isn't going to shit all over solaris.
23:43 < eryc> oh what do you use lvm for?
23:43 < Bahhumbug> I'll take this bet and we'll see in 2 years where solaris is compared to linux or any of the bsds
23:43 < eryc> Bahhumbug: i dont understand why you think you know anything
23:43 < Bahhumbug> as far as opensolaris?  dead.  indiana *might* be able to keep going, but that's by no means a sure thing.
23:44 < eryc> Bahhumbug: are you larry ellison's fluffer?
23:44 < Bahhumbug> Because there is a very good bet I've been in this industry longer than you by a considerable bit going solely by your "my dick is bigger than yours" attitude?  just sayin'
23:44 < Mercster> NERD FIGHT
23:44 < eryc> just sayin
23:45 <@sdodson> eryc: it'll do mirrors, but it doesn't do other RAID like functions
23:45 < eryc> sdodson: what do i use lvm for?
23:45 < eryc> oh, ok
23:46 < eryc> well how do you replace a failed disk?
23:46 < eryc> zpool replace rpool <devid>
23:47 < eryc> i don't know what the commands are in lvm, i've seen them before but i don't remember
23:48 <@sdodson> You keep asking for things I wouldn't do with LVM. But you'd vgextend /dev/VolGroup00 /dev/sda1   to extend the volume group and it should then begin remirroring things
23:49 < eryc> hm, thats to create a mirror?
23:49 < eryc> what do you do with lvm?
23:49 < eryc> i thought it was for mirroring and shit
23:49 < eryc> is it for like, managing photos and mp3s?
23:50 <@sdodson> It can be used for mirroring but I'd use the raid facilities for that
23:50 < eryc> hardware raid?
23:50 <@sdodson> eryc: No, it's for creating linear volumes mostly and then allocating logical volumes out of that volume group.
23:50 < Bahhumbug> lvm is a volume manager, similar to what online disk shit was back in the 90s and LVM is on AIX / HP and other platforms.
23:50 <@sdodson> eryc: no, md(4)
23:51 < eryc> ohhh
23:51 < eryc> s/lvm/md/ then
23:51 < Bahhumbug> it's ab abstraction layer provider logical volumes within volume groups that reside on physical volumes.  subject to cluster if desired.
23:52 < Bahhumbug> (excuse typing, kittens clawed up my hanfs)
23:52 < eryc> so its like a fancy name for extended partitions?
23:53 <@sdodson> I think logical volume management is a widely understood topic by most folks, you being the exception.
23:53  * eryc reads wikipedia
23:53 < Mercster> haha
23:54 < Bahhumbug> sdodson: +1
23:54 < Bahhumbug> considering even slowaris had it back in the 90s :)
23:54 <@sdodson> Every enterprise OS has some sort of lvm.
23:55 < Mercster> i always thought AIX was particularly elegant at disk management
23:55 <@sdodson> ugh, enterprise OS, every OS has some sort of lvm
23:55 < Bahhumbug> linux's LVM is a cross between AIX and HPUX.
23:55 <@Dagmar> Without the sodomy, tho
23:56 < Bahhumbug> You sure?  Mercster's here.
23:56  * Mercster rodgers Bahhumbug 
23:56 < Mercster> the fancy thing about AIX is that they had it fully integrated into smit, and it was cake to do stuff
23:56 < Bahhumbug> smit?  seriously?
23:57 < Mercster> seriously!
23:57 < Bahhumbug> I used smit once to get the command syntax down on a couple things, otherwise it was all command line.
23:57 < Mercster> that's because your dick is bigger than mine
23:57 < Mercster> hmm who are you reminding me of right now
23:57 < Mercster> OH YA I REMEMBER
23:57 < Bahhumbug> yes, it is.  but that's anmother story.
23:57 < Mercster> no, it's not a mother story
23:57 < Mercster> quit being rude
23:58 < Bahhumbug> leave yours out of this, please.
23:58 < Mercster> ZING
23:59 <@Dagmar> eryc: Moving shit around when a disk fails is pretty cool with LVM tho
23:59 < Mercster> "cameltoe got you down?"
23:59 < eryc> yea wikipedia makes it sounds cool
23:59 <@Dagmar> You can pretty much just add a new physical volume, make it part of the group with the faililng one, and then prod LVM into moving the shit off the old one into the new space
23:59 <@Dagmar> There's also some nifty snapshot shit in it
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