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08:26 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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09:24 < m0j0-j0j0> morning Dolemite
09:24 <@Dolemite> what's shakin'?
09:25 < m0j0-j0j0> Same shit..
09:25 < m0j0-j0j0> hows about you?
09:26 < m0j0-j0j0> are you in on the outterz0ne stuff?
09:26 <@Dolemite> Oh, just trying to bring some order to this chaos around here.
09:26 <@Dolemite> I'm not going, if that's what you're asking.  I've put my time in on organizing conferences.  I'm on break.  heh.
09:27 < m0j0-j0j0> I hear they canceled it... thought you might know the skinny
09:27 <@Dolemite> Oh, no clue
09:27 <@Dolemite> I know several people on Facebook have talked about going
09:28 <@opticron> I was planning on going
09:28 <@opticron> haven't heard anything that would make me think otherwise (except for these comments)
09:28 <@Dolemite> It's probably a joke.  People have often joked about PhreakNIC being cancelled, too, just to see if the organizers would go into a panic.
09:29 < m0j0-j0j0> *shrug* I never go anyway so I couldn't care less...  I just wanted the dirt
09:29 <@Dolemite> I try to avoid the dirt
09:31 < m0j0-j0j0> oh, and is there a member of the Nashville crew going by "More"
09:31 <@Dolemite> My spare time lately has all involved getting the house unpacked and working on some of the improvement projects
09:32 <@Dolemite> Dunno, I'm not in Nashville anymore
09:32 < m0j0-j0j0> what what what?  where are you?
09:32 <@Dolemite> Living in Knoxville.  I'm at ORNL now.
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09:32 < m0j0-j0j0> this is what I miss when I don't read my backlog
09:33 <@Dolemite> I've been here since late August, but just got my family moved here over the holidays
09:34 < m0j0-j0j0> well.. congrats on getting everyone moved
09:34 <@Dolemite> Thanks, though our garage is still nothing but a box-land...
09:34 < m0j0-j0j0> sorry about the unpacking.. I would move if it wasn't for the packing and unpacking
09:34 <@Dolemite> yeah, I hate it
09:35 <@Dolemite> Of course, if I could talk my wife out of acquiring so much crap, there would be a lot less to move
09:35 < m0j0-j0j0> I moved 8 years ago and still havn't actually finished unpacking, but I would say its safe to say that I'm as far as I'm going to get on that project
09:35 < m0j0-j0j0> ebay it
09:37 < m0j0-j0j0> nothing says "I love you" like ebaying their entire collection of Precious Moments
09:37 <@opticron> hah
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09:40 <@Dolemite> It's not collectible crap so much as just junk
09:40 <@Dolemite> We are getting our money's worth out of the garbage service as we unpack, that's for sure
09:40 < m0j0-j0j0> oh.. it wasn't outterz0ne .. it was metaz0ne
09:40 < m0j0-j0j0> sorry... in the wrong z0ne
09:41 <@Dolemite> never even heard of metaz0ne
09:41 < m0j0-j0j0> "Cancelled due to lack of support."
09:44 < m0j0-j0j0> if you can't be an athlete be an athletic supporter
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10:54 <@opticron> m0j0-j0j0, a sports bra?
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11:22 <@Evilpig> outerz0ne hasn't been canceled.  put off til the last second to organize, yes. but not canceled
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12:04 <@Dagmar> "This kernel requires an x86-64 CPU, but only detected an i686 CPU.  Unable to boot - please use a kernel appropriate for your CPU."
12:04 <@opticron> oops?
12:05 <@Dagmar> Doh.  I should have seen that coming before trying to boot the netbook with the Slackware64 I'd just put on the thumbdrive.
12:05 <@Dagmar> I guess it works as well as it's gonna.  :)
12:06 <@Dagmar> Volkerding's got so many damn files on the DVD that it actually uses up all the inodes on the thumbdrive if it was formatted with the default settings
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13:33 <@Dagmar> Only of interest to Minecraft players and particle physics fans: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0XN00Wy7Rs
13:36 <@Husky> rofl, my bf would love that shit
13:43 <@sasquatc4> http://xkcd.com/861/
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17:23 <@digitalirony> Anyone looking for a job? I am looking to hire anyone with basic LAMP knowledge and DNS knowledge. We pay relocation to Austin, TX if you qualify
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17:51 <@Neoteric> digitalirony: what's the gig ?
17:51 <@Neoteric> digitalirony:  and can i goto swsw ?
17:51 <@Neoteric> err.. sxsw
17:51 <@digitalirony> looking for Linux Admin
17:51 <@digitalirony> many of them
17:51 <@Neoteric> what's many ?
17:52 <@digitalirony> Working for my client, a major hosting comapny
17:52 <@digitalirony> *company
17:52 <@digitalirony> 200 or so
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17:52 <@Neoteric> you need 200 cage monkeys ??
17:53 <@oddball> Ah, I'm guessing Gatorhost.  They have a billboard up advertising jobs here in Nashville.  Damn shame all of them are in Texas.
17:53 <@Neoteric> that's not a small team
17:53 <@oddball> (I'm looking, but not willing to move to Austin)
17:53 <@Neoteric> really ?? seems smrt to pull from the 2nd best linux town i know
17:53 <@Neoteric> oddball: austin is awesome
17:53 <@digitalirony> Austin is awesome
17:53 <@digitalirony> its not like the rest of TX
17:54 <@digitalirony> its very cali like
17:54 <@digitalirony> laid back
17:54 <@digitalirony> and chill
17:54 <@digitalirony> and yes its HostGator
17:56 < ls3> ha.. I met someone on from there on xbox a year or so ago that noticed my nick and offered up a job
17:56  * ls3 can't type
17:57 <@digitalirony> lol
17:57 <@digitalirony> well for reals
17:57 <@digitalirony> come work for me
17:57 <@Bahhumbug> sure, telecommute.
17:57 <@digitalirony> I will treat you like a real person and not a pay check
17:57 <@digitalirony> nah, we need to train you
17:58 <@digitalirony> we have scripts a shiz
17:58 <@Neoteric> digitalirony: still i'm trying tog et this ... 200 cage monkeys or 200 server jockeys ?
17:58 < ls3> digitalirony, I'm actually on my 2nd week of a new job. Some of my bosses are in Austin .
17:58 <@Bahhumbug> unlikely.  I've probably been in and out of hosting longer than anyone at your company :)
17:58 <@Neoteric> cause swapping crashed disks all day , while it sounds like an excellent way to get ripped , ain't the same as coding a pile of automation
17:58 <@digitalirony> Neoteric: cube monkeys
17:59 <@digitalirony> nah not hardware
17:59 <@digitalirony> we do scripting
17:59 <@digitalirony> and such
17:59 <@digitalirony> working on LAMP
17:59 <@digitalirony> DNS
17:59 <@digitalirony> you get paid to look at porn homez
17:59 <@digitalirony> anyway break time
17:59 <@digitalirony> brb
18:03 < ls3> I thought all jobs allow you to do that?!
18:10 <@digitalirony> back
18:13 < ls3> nuhh
18:15 <@digitalirony> but if any of you are seriously interested, send me your e-mail
18:15 <@digitalirony> Try the interview, see if you get the job, see what we offer you for compensation, then decide
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18:21 < ls3> word thanks.
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19:13 <@sasquatc4> http://www.boingboing.net/2011/02/16/fox-news-caught-faki.html
19:14 <@Dagmar> http://thereifixedit.failblog.org/2011/02/16/white-trash-repairs-phatom-of-the-floppera/ > *
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20:46 < sdodson> How's it going?
20:46 < sdodson> omg Mercster is still unbanned?
20:47  * Mercster hugs sdodson 
20:50 < sdodson> Mercster: what's new and exciting in your life?
20:51 < Mercster> not a damn thing
20:51 < Mercster> same ol shit
20:51 < Mercster> how are you?
20:51 < sdodson> Mercster: super
20:51 < Mercster> good
20:51 < Mercster> sdodson: i heard RHAT is moving?
20:51 < sdodson> Mercster: ohya where'd you hear that?
20:52 < Mercster> mgalfaggy
20:52 < sdodson> Mercster: he'd know!
20:52 < sdodson> I bet we need networks at the new building.
20:53 < sdodson> And fat pipes so techs can watch youtube.
20:53 < Mercster> indeed
20:54 < sdodson> Mercster: It'd be cool to have a new building.
20:54 < Mercster> i heard it more like "we're moving to atlanta"
20:54 < Mercster> or something
20:55 < sdodson> Mercster: No, early speculation was that we were considering Atlanta, Austin, or Boston. But we made an announcement with NC Governor that confirmed we'd be staying within Wake County NC
20:55 < Mercster> ah no i guess that was a rumor or something
20:55 < Mercster>  Tybstar: http://triangle.news14.com/content/top_stories/636802/red-hat-targets-downtown-raleigh-for-headquarters?r=1245517947
20:55 < Mercster> erm
20:55 < Mercster> http://triangle.news14.com/content/top_stories/636802/red-hat-targets-downtown-raleigh-for-headquarters?r=1245517947
20:56 < sdodson> oh that's new news
20:56 < Mercster> you heard it here first
20:56 < sdodson> I can neither confirm nor deny those scandalous rumors.
20:56 < Mercster> heh
20:56 < sdodson> oh nm, craigy is on video saying we're going downtown
20:57 < Mercster> at what point did you guys moved our of RTP?
20:57 < Mercster> erm, moved out of
20:57 < sdodson> Mercster: i bet wikipedia knows
20:58 < Mercster> im asking *you*, punk
20:58 < sdodson> It was like 6-7 years ago I believe.
20:58 < Mercster> dont get snarky
20:58 < sdodson> Mercster: I dunno, I never worked at meridian. Only old geezers like mgalgoci did
20:58 < Mercster> k
20:58 < sdodson> Red Hat moved its headquarters from Durham, NC, to N.C. State University's Centennial Campus in Raleigh, North Carolina in February 2002. In the following month Red Hat introduced Red Hat Linux Advanced Server
20:59 < sdodson> clearly moving headquarters = releasing new shit
20:59 < sdodson> we're kicking ass and taking names
21:00 < Mercster> sdodson: on that note, wtf is up with the new NIC naming?
21:00 < sdodson> Mercster: what?
21:01 < Mercster> em1/em2 instead of eth0/eth1
21:01 < sdodson> Is that brand new in Fedora? I know they were going to start using biosnames
21:01 < Mercster> and weird PCI addresses with literal #s in the name for add-on cards on the PCI bus
21:01 < Mercster> it's coming in FC15 apparently
21:01 < sdodson> pci busses are hard bro, lets go shopping
21:02 < Mercster> ok, but you're paying :)
21:02  * Mercster hooks arms with sdodson and goes shopping for shoes
21:03 < sdodson> wow, wikipedia says Cygnus was valued at $674M
21:04 < Mercster> i dont understand money
21:04 < sdodson> I like money!
21:04 < Mercster> well, yeah, i understand that it allows me to trade it for goods and services
21:05 < Mercster> but when it comes to company valuations and such, im just plain ignorant
21:05 < sdodson> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZHCVyllnck
21:05 < Mercster> i like thinking about politics and stuff, but when it comes to budgets and large companies, i just have to shrug my shoulders
21:05 < sdodson> I didn't know you were legally required to accept US Currency as payment for debt.
21:06 < sdodson> budgets are fun
21:06  * Mercster watches NOVA
21:26 <@Dagmar> I see four penguins!
21:27 <@opticron> THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS
21:27 <@digitalirony> sup
21:27 <@digitalirony> Anyone looking for a job? I am looking to hire anyone with basic LAMP knowledge and DNS knowledge. We pay relocation to Austin, TX if you qualify
21:28 <@Dagmar> opticron: Exactly.
21:28 <@Dagmar> ...and them sumbishes is runnin' at 2.8ghz apiece
21:28 <@Dagmar> Gonna run me some vee emms on there!
21:31 -!- oddball changed the topic of #se2600 to: If anyone wants a job in Austin, drop digitalirony a line
21:31 <@oddball> There, now you don't have to repeat yourself
21:33 < sdodson> very ironic
21:37 <@oddball> hm?
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21:49 <@digitalirony> I didn't mean to drop that in here
21:49 <@digitalirony> lol
21:49 <@digitalirony> sorry oddball
21:49 <@digitalirony> I know I already talked to you guys o.0
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22:02 < Mercster> http://i.imgur.com/WkIrI.jpg
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22:18 <@Dagmar> Okay... Christ
22:19 <@Dagmar> It's time someone went through the kernel config options and started chucking the stranger ones into large boxes
22:19 <@Dagmar> Thousands of fucking drivers sounds like a decent idea until you're wading through them all
22:19 < Mercster> or you could just do like most sane people have done since 2000 or so
22:19 < Mercster> and never build a kernel
22:21 < forgottenwizard> cp the old config over and run make oldconfig
22:21 < Mercster> yeah, that too
22:21 < Mercster> still sounds like work
22:21 < forgottenwizard> you know exactly what you are getting, though
22:25 < forgottenwizard> Dagmar: they have already cleared out alot of them and set them to defaults. Some of the really strange ones you never see unless you turn off one config option
22:26 < forgottenwizard> hell if I can recall which one right now, and I don't feel like downloading the latest kernel to look
22:27 < Mercster> [ ] Im special
22:27 < Mercster> [X] Im special
22:27 < Mercster> (now yer fucked)
22:27 < forgottenwizard> something to do with embedded or configure defaults for desktops or something
22:28 < forgottenwizard> in some places I swear it doubles the list of options
22:28 < Mercster> the worst was 2.0 -> 2.2, iirc
22:28 < Mercster> shit got orders of magnitude more complex
22:28 < forgottenwizard> I wasn't using linux back then, so I can't comment
22:28 < Mercster> maybe it was 2.2 -> 2.4
22:29 < forgottenwizard> though iirc, 2.4 -> 2.6 was supposedly a pain
22:29 < Mercster> i havent built a kernel in more than a decade, i cant say for sure
22:29 < Mercster> but it was like "WTF JUST HAPPENED"
22:30 < Mercster> and 'make oldconfig' didnt help either, cuz there was a bunch of shit you probably didnt want to skip
22:31 < forgottenwizard> I don't think make oldconfig is suggested over major version changes
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22:31 < Mercster> yea
22:32 < forgottenwizard> though in 2.6 it seems to be fairly stable. I would think twice if I skipped a kernel or two, though
22:32 < tekeek> Based on the information at this link http://bit.ly/hQeBWN what kind of salary range would say it falls in
22:34 < Mercster> tekeek: there seem to be three positions available, which?
22:35 < Mercster> also, where?
22:35 < Mercster> ah, nasville
22:35 < tekeek> either the first or second one listed
22:36 < Mercster> 60-80?
22:38 < Mercster> ive never worked in nashville tho, and i dont know about the cost of living
22:40 < tekeek> its seems here that cost of living does not necesarily paly into the factor. I live in a small town about an hour away from nashville and morgage is 1400 on a 2100sqft 3bd 2ba 1.5 acre property. Recently I was sent a possible job for java programer for 80k year
22:41 < tekeek> the house is valued at 198k
22:41 < tekeek> and there is a bonus with single car garage
22:47 <@Dagmar> forgottenwizard: Believe me, I generally start by importing my old config
22:47 <@Dagmar> Just the jump from last month's Slackware 13.1 kernel to the current kernel showed me about 100-150 options
22:47 < forgottenwizard> ah
22:48 <@Dagmar> ...and there's just fucking bajillions of drivers when you use menuconfig now
22:48 <@Dagmar> I'm watching it chew through make -j4 all now
22:49 <@Dagmar> There's whole fistfuls of config pages I didn't even go into (like sound and USB drivers)
22:49 < forgottenwizard> I never found there to be that many options. The worst was intel_hda_sound and the USB converters
22:49 <@Dagmar> There's several dozen obscure ethernet vendors
22:50 <@Dagmar> It took me several "exploration missions" to figure out how to get wireless network support completely out of there
22:50 < forgottenwizard> I guess I just got used to scanning through for what I needed
22:50 <@Dagmar> They shoudl have a global option for "You bought a mainstream motherboard"
22:51 < forgottenwizard> some places a 'don't ask me' option would be nice
22:51 < forgottenwizard> personally, i never needed any mac drivers
22:52 <@Dagmar> There should be a "[ ] Is this a fucking cell phone?" option
22:52 <@Dagmar> It makes very little sense to even ask about jog and vibration sensors on a mainstream PC and there's like 30 drivers for thsoe
22:52 < forgottenwizard> actually, I'd settle for a 'make nothingatall' option
22:53 < forgottenwizard> just a clean config and turn on what you actually need
22:53 <@Dagmar> How about a 'make justtheshitIhavemodulesloadedfor' option?
22:53 < forgottenwizard> I think that is /proc/config.gz
22:53 < Mercster> Dagmar: welcome to learning how to navigate "make menuconfig" quickly. although as i said, im not sure that's a useful skill at any time in the past 10 years
22:53 <@Dagmar> That's what I'd like.  Heh
22:54 < Mercster> justy get a kernel package where everything is built as modules and put a smile on yer face
22:54 <@Dagmar> No, /proc/config.gz is just "Take the same options I could have used if I'd not been a git and deleted my old .config"
22:54 <@Dagmar> ...with a side order of "Patrick Volkerding fucking loves modules"
22:54 < Mercster> i dont even know why anyone would be running slackware anyway
22:55 < Mercster> i guess some people enjoy pain
22:55 < forgottenwizard> I don't know why someone would run a distro that can't properly configure the nvidia driver
22:56 <@Dagmar> He just doesn't ship it
22:56 < forgottenwizard> I mean Fedora
22:56 <@Dagmar> Ah
22:56 < forgottenwizard> slack is a decent distro, but its package selection sucks
22:56 <@Dagmar> Let's see if the motherboard beeps at me again ...
22:56 <@Dagmar> Yes.
22:56 <@Dagmar> Fucking useless.
22:56 < Mercster> forgottenwizard: as far as fedora goes, you just add rpmfusion repo and 'yum install akmod-nvidia'
22:57 <@Dagmar> Two quick beeps, then eight slower beeps.
22:57 < Mercster> forgottenwizard: it's pretty braiondead simple
22:57 <@Dagmar> ...because i disabled the onboard video.
22:57 < Mercster> braindead, rather
22:57 <@Dagmar> I'm going to have to clear the CMOS at some point and look for the option that makes that STFU
22:57 < forgottenwizard> Mercster: so then fedora doesn't actually support a common driver with their standard repos and configuration tools?
22:57 < Mercster> forgottenwizard: if by "common driver" you mean the binary one provided by nvidia, no
22:58 < Mercster> you have to use rpmfusion
22:58 < forgottenwizard> heh
22:58 < Mercster> but compared to slackware where Dagmar is building kernels, it's pretty trivial :)
22:58 < forgottenwizard> I've gone through the install for Fedora and slackware before
22:59 < forgottenwizard> I'd rather go through slackware's install any day
22:59 < Mercster> rpm -Uvh rpmfusion-blahblah.rpm ;; yum install akmod-nvidia
22:59 < Mercster> reboot
22:59 < Mercster> yeah slackware was awesome in 1997
22:59 < Mercster> at this point, it's just something for people who need a hobby
22:59 <@Dagmar> Speaking of which...
22:59 <@Dagmar> Holy shit it runs fast when you're installing from a thumbdrive
23:00 <@Dagmar> I can't wait to start PXEbooting VMs
23:00 <@Dagmar> T0omorrow I'm going to throw my minecraft server back up on this thing
23:01 <@Dagmar> ...and I'm going to blow up about 100 blocks of TNT at once just to watch it *not* run the CPU load up.  ;)
23:01 < forgottenwizard> how system intensive is the minecraft server? I'm thinking of tossing it on an old p4 I have
23:01 < Mercster> it's java, so load up on the ram, probably
23:01 <@Dagmar> Well, it's been "just fine" on the 2.8Ghz single core I was running it on.
23:01 <@Dagmar> It's main issue is that it finds RAM to be delicious
23:01 < Mercster> ive never actually played minecraft. doubt i ever will.
23:01 < forgottenwizard> yeah, that will be a problem
23:02 <@Dagmar> If that P4 is over a gigahertz it shoudln't be a problem
23:02 < forgottenwizard> this relic has 512M
23:02 < Mercster> though ive seen some cool stuff done with it
23:02 < Mercster> forgottenwizard: forget minecraft on 512M
23:02 <@Dagmar> ...so long as you've got at least 512Mb to hand it excluseive access to
23:02 <@Dagmar> Yeah that might be a problem because java bitches at you if you give it less than 384,.
23:02 <@Dagmar> Still, you could run something that could handle 3 people at once in that amount of RAM without an issue
23:03 < forgottenwizard> the client has been known to bog down my desktop so badly I have to run it niced down just so I can kill it when it starts making me swap
23:03 <@Dagmar> 64Mb per simultaneous user seems to be a decent rule of thumb
23:03 < forgottenwizard> hmm. I might give it a shot then
23:03 <@Dagmar> Actually, heheh... running an SMP server will probably make your desktop happier about it
23:03 < forgottenwizard> soon as I dig out the old 17" flatscreen CRT
23:03 <@Dagmar> ...since terrain generation will be happening on the server and not your desktop
23:03 <@Dagmar> Disk speed's kind of an issue
23:04 < forgottenwizard> yeah
23:04 <@Dagmar> If you're not using at least an ATA100 7200 RPM disk it can get lagged on disk IO
23:04 < forgottenwizard> anytime I start a new world I go get a drink and look around and let it generate everything while I sit there
23:04 < forgottenwizard> disk isn't too bad. 3 WD in RAID5
23:05 < forgottenwizard> still need to benchmark it all just to see what the heck it can do,
23:05 <@Dagmar> Well, they're at least 200Gb drives, right?
23:06 < forgottenwizard> yeah
23:06 <@Dagmar> Your throughput on raid5 should be fine then
23:06 < forgottenwizard> 1.15T in /dev/md2 iirc
23:06 < Mercster> there's always the old standby benchmark, build a kernel ;-)
23:06  * Mercster ducks
23:06 <@Dagmar> Aren't you using LVM?
23:06 < forgottenwizard> yes
23:06 <@Dagmar> Okay, weird.  I didn't expect that with the old nomenclature.
23:06 < forgottenwizard> /dev/md2 is where the system sits
23:07 <@Dagmar> I'm gonna probably do a graphical explanation of LVM at some point before next week.
23:07 <@Dagmar> I have come to the conclusion that the docs suck a fat dick.
23:07 < forgottenwizard> /dev/md0 is /boot (RAID1), /dev/md1 is swap, and /dev/md2 is everything else
23:07 < forgottenwizard> the man pages seem somewhat resonable
23:07 < forgottenwizard> though the mirroring and backup I never got involved with
23:08 <@Dagmar> Yeah but nothing, including the HOWTO, really makes much sense as to how it all fits together
23:08 <@Dagmar> They bog you down in a bunch of details
23:08 < forgottenwizard> tried looking through the Gentoo docs on it?
23:08 <@Dagmar> NOpe.
23:08 < forgottenwizard> might give them a shot. As I recall, they were fair
23:09 <@Dagmar> They do the same shit.
23:09 <@Dagmar> I'm looking at it right now.
23:09 < forgottenwizard> hrm
23:09 <@Dagmar> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/lvm2.xml
23:09 <@Dagmar> Fucking lists of commands
23:09 <@Dagmar> Seriously I could make it all much more obvious with one, possibly two illustrations.
23:10 < forgottenwizard> then do it
23:11 <@Dagmar> LIke I said, I'm gonna
23:11 < forgottenwizard> going to send them to LDP?
23:18 <@Dagmar> I damn well might
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23:25 <@Dagmar> I think they've got something against pictures.  heh
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