--- Log opened Tue Feb 15 10:19:00 2011
10:19 <@oddball> You think having a chip manufacturer also assemble their own machines would be an unfair advantage?
10:19 <@Dagmar> I think that Dell ruins everything they brand
10:19 <@Evilpig> their service is working on ruining that
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10:19 <@Dagmar> They came up with their own wiring for the fucking 4pin aux power connector at one point
10:20 <@Dagmar> They had Creative release a SBLive! card without the emu10k1 on it that was the main reason to buy the goddamn thing
10:20 <@Dolemite> Creative?  Wait, you're still stuck in the 90s.
10:20 <@oddball> So, you think that the Justice department should intervene because you hate Dell.
10:20 <@Dagmar> THey ship out entire families of differently-sized monitors, all reporting the same monitor size through EDID
10:21 <@Dagmar> I think the Justice Department should intervene because if Dell buys AMD and fucks them up, Intel will have no competition
10:21 <@Dolemite> That's not a legal issue, it's a business issue.  The Justice Department wouldn't even think of touching that one.
10:22 <@Dagmar> Hell, send in the fucking Army for all I care, just so long as Dell doesn't get control of AMD
10:22 <@Dolemite> It would be interesting to see how that touches the supercomputing landscape
10:24 <@Dolemite> CRAY uses AMD processors
10:26 <@Dagmar> Software emulatioin of floating-point math all over again
10:34 <@Evilpig> fuckin' dentists
10:34 <@Evilpig> gave them my insurance they "called and verified" that I was covered and for what.  they did x-rays then sent me a bill
10:35 <@Evilpig> cause my insurance won't pay cause they are out of network.  but they called and verified....
10:35 <@Evilpig> he best be calling me back cause this is un-fucking-believable
10:35 <@Dolemite> that sounds like the crap we've been dealing with up here in Knoxville...
10:36 <@Dolemite> Most of the pediatricians don't take new patients unless they are newborn...   leaving very little that are both (a) accepting new patients over 1 month old and (b) covered by insurance
10:36 <@Evilpig> I'm beyond annoyed right now.  I paid him $13,000 for work.  then he came back and bent me over for another $500 for a root canal he should have done inteh first place.  then jacked me for another $100 for x-rays that were supposedly covered by my insurance
10:39 <@Dagmar> Was the $13,000 covered?
10:39 <@Dolemite> $13,000?  Holy shit, did you have your URL carved into the enamel on your teeth?
10:40 <@Evilpig> the $13,000 was before I had insurance
10:40 <@Dagmar> Dolemite: I was somewhat joking that at least he spent it on something they could both enjoy
10:40 <@Dagmar> Fuck
10:40 <@Evilpig> that is proof one that medical costs in this country are out of fucking control
10:40 <@Dolemite> Yep
10:41 <@Evilpig> that being said.  as soon as I get a copy of the complete bill from the dentist and then I go get a copy of everythign I paid walgreens last year my taxes will be complete
10:41 <@Dolemite> Heh, we haven't even started
10:41 < Mirage> Yeah, but they only have to charge that much to make up for ppl who don't pay their bills...
10:41 < Mirage> lol
10:41 <@Dolemite> We'll have to pay some this year, since I got relocation expenses
10:41 <@Evilpig> I haven't filed.  just started the collection of evidence for the accountant to fight
10:42 <@Dolemite> Mirage : There's a hell of a lot of truth in that statement
10:42 < Mirage> there's a hell of alot of snowballed justification in that statement
10:43 <@Dagmar> Ther'es a lot of bullshit in it
10:43 <@Dagmar> Insurance companies don't foot the bill for people who don't pay them premiums
10:43 <@Evilpig> if my dentist doesn't drop this latest attrocity he calls a bill it can goto debt collection for all I care.  i'll add to that not paying shit pile
10:43 <@Dolemite> Insurance companies don't pay the same rates - they get a discounted rate
10:44 <@Dolemite> It's the doctors and hospitals that charge outrageous amounts to cover the unpaid bills
10:44 <@Dagmar> Well...
10:44 <@Dagmar> For $13,000, next time fly to San Francisco and have it done
10:45 <@Dagmar> In California if you're uninsured you pay less
10:45 <@Dagmar> ...because the hospitals and so on have to eat the costs of the insurance companies not paying.
10:46 <@Dagmar> I was a little astonished by that during the knee surgery
10:58 <@sasquatc4> its like that in alot of places, my gf doesnt have insurance since she lost her job, but every prescription, doctors visit, everything she has had to do without insurance has been cheaper than when she had insurance
11:04 <@opticron> why doesn't everyone there go off insurance, then?
11:06 <@Evilpig> because with insurance, in theory, you're paying the insurance compnay 1/10th of what they're paying te doctor which would otherwise come out of pocket
11:07 <@Evilpig> insurance shoul dbe a buffer for oh shit moments.  but instead it's an excuse for the medical profession to jack rates
11:18 <@Dolemite> No, the theory behind insurance is that everybody pays a normalized rate, with some profit for the administrative overhead involved, across a large group of participants.  The kink comes in when you have less and less people who are participating, or you have a large disparity of coverage limits.
11:18 <@Dolemite> So healthier people pay more for insurance than they would for straight up expenses, while unhealthy people pay less than it would have cost to pay the doctor directly.
11:23 <@sasquatc4> i just think of it as oh shit insurance, so while i said she may be paying cheaper amounts for normal things, if she were to break a leg or something she'd be fucked
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15:09 <@Evilpig> someone used to lurk in here that was an accountant.  is that person still in here?
15:10 <@Evilpig> alternately... does anyone know the significance of a 1098-t and what is that counted as on your taxes.
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22:41 < Mercster_> http://i.imgur.com/YhFou.gif
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23:53 <@Dagmar> Something is broken in YouTube-land
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