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01:44 < Mercster> left, right
01:44 < Mercster> noone
01:44 < Mercster> stops MY
01:44 < Mercster> AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!
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02:46 <@Evilpig> well that's a new one on me. so I was preparing to swap from my old hosting box to my new one. so I went in and edited the ifcfg-eth0 script with the new IP. the son of a bitch took the change immediately... wtf?!
02:46 <@Evilpig> I didn't expect that to take effect until I rebooted or restarted the network service
02:49 < Mercster> linux is magic
02:50 <@Evilpig> that kinda defeats the point of having a configfile run though
02:56 <@Bahhumbug> ...
02:56 <@Bahhumbug> what distro?
02:56 <@Bahhumbug> and yes, that's broken by design.
03:00 <@Evilpig> fc14
03:00 <@Evilpig> trying to get notlarry to send me a test message and the fucker is composing a novel over there
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03:04 < forgottenwizard> should tell him to just download a book from project gustave
03:05 <@Evilpig> sqlgrey does autowhitelisting much better than postgrey did. holy fuck so much better
03:05 <@Evilpig> took two or three messages from here at work to whitelist the domain and ip combo instead of just the emailaddress / ip combo
03:06 <@Evilpig> was just telling notlarry if I could get dspam running behind the messages that make it through the greylisting this would be amazing
03:14 <@Evilpig> haha I have a file on my old hosting box that is under cron.daily called "namedglitch" one line "service named start"
03:20 < Mercster> http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/0ff85dd3c8/between-two-ferns-with-zach-galifianakis
03:27 < Mercster> ohhhh man
03:27 < Mercster> http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/60072add5a/between-two-ferns-with-zach-galifianakis-ben-stiller
03:27 < Mercster> "are you making fun of the south?" "no, not at all" "cuz they're stupid enough to go to your fuckin' movies"
03:28 < Mercster> "your email address is benstillerfaggot69@verizon.net?" "yeah, benstillerfaggot was already taken, so i had to add 69 to the end"
03:29 <@Evilpig> we dont' need a play by play
03:29 < Mercster> you cant even spell "don't"
03:29 < Mercster> how do you know what you need
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03:30 <@Evilpig> ban is even shorter
03:30 < Mercster> yeah your "namedglitch" anecdote is way better
03:30 < Mercster> sorry
03:33 <@Bahhumbug> Evilpig: running the abortion known as systemd?
03:35 <@Evilpig> It is available for fc14 but I don't think I loaded it. sec
03:36 <@Evilpig> nm apparently it is loaded by default on 14
03:37 <@Bahhumbug> Fucking Lennart :(
03:37 <@Evilpig> but it isn't loaded... so no. damn they need to get their documentation straight
03:37 <@Bahhumbug> It's shipped, but not the default environment until F15
03:38 <@Bahhumbug> and it's the biggest piece of crap I've come across in a long time.
03:38 <@Bahhumbug> But sadly I can't point at it and say "it's system's fault" this time.
03:38 <@Evilpig> the wiki says it has the tech preview. the docs off of that say it is there by default. I will not load it on this but might on a test system to see what the deal is. I am partial to how stuff starts now
03:39 <@Bahhumbug> sysvinit -> upstart -> systemd. and systemd has its hooks in, literally, everything.
03:39 <@Evilpig> blech
03:39 <@Bahhumbug> I'm old fashioned, meh, just old, and I like sysvinit.
03:39 <@Evilpig> it makes sense. it's tried and true
03:40 < forgottenwizard> everyone has had time to work out the problems with it
03:40 < Mercster> scary
03:40 < Mercster> wtf is systemd?
03:40 < forgottenwizard> apparently a 'new' init system
03:40 <@Evilpig> it attempts to load multiple processes at once
03:40 < Mercster> fedora switched to upstart at some point, but it still took the sysVinit scripts
03:40 <@Evilpig> isn't that how windows handles starting services?
03:41 <@Bahhumbug> Evilpig: windows serializes startups
03:41 <@Evilpig> without much digging I am assuming systemd has a dependency setup?
03:41 < Mercster> does systemd not take the traditional sysV init scripts?
03:41 <@Evilpig> from yum:
03:41 <@Evilpig> systemd-gtk.x86_64 : Graphical frontend for systemd
03:41 <@Evilpig> systemd-sysvinit.x86_64 : systemd System V init tools
03:41 <@Evilpig> systemd-units.x86_64 : Configuration files, directories and installation tool for systemd
03:41 <@Evilpig> systemd.i686 : A System and Session Manager
03:41 <@Evilpig> systemd.x86_64 : A System and Session Manager
03:41 <@Bahhumbug> systemd, for the f15 pass, is going to "work with" them, but it's still a hack.
03:42 <@Evilpig> f15 is going to use the new network designations too
03:42 <@Bahhumbug> yep
03:42 < forgottenwizard> hrm. I think I'll glance at systemd myself
03:42 <@Evilpig> that release is gonna be all kinda fucked up
03:42 <@Bahhumbug> and sadly all this bullshit will trickle down to EL space. which is going to thoroughly annoy me.
03:42 < Mercster> my netbook is runnig F12. i think ill keep it there
03:42 < Mercster> running, rather
03:42 <@Evilpig> hopefully it will run out in fedora land long enough to get hte bugs out before it hits the enterprise spins
03:43 <@Bahhumbug> Lennart's also known for abandoning projects when something newer and shinier comes along. Such as the abortiong known as PulseAudio.
03:43 < forgottenwizard> DBus, snapshotting. Just the 'What is it?' section of the systemd site makes me gag
03:43 < Mercster> Evilpig: fedora is essentially a testbed for RHEL
03:43 <@Bahhumbug> Not really.
03:43 <@Bahhumbug> It's coined as such, but it's quite a bit more.
03:43 <@Bahhumbug> EL cherry picks from Fedora
03:43 <@Evilpig> right
03:43 < forgottenwizard> Fedora still using 4k stacks by default?
03:44 <@Bahhumbug> that got changed recently I think.
03:44 < Mercster> well obviously it has a bunch of stuff in the repos that RHEL will never see
03:44 <@Bahhumbug> EL6 might have picked up on that as well.
03:44 < Mercster> but it is a testbed for RHEL when it comes to core shit
03:44 <@Evilpig> anyhow... gonna finish tinkering with this rutorrent. need to get users added to it
03:44 < Mercster> like uh, systemd
03:44 < Mercster> or whatever the fuck
03:44 <@Bahhumbug> for various extremely loose definitions of "testbed" and "core"
03:45 <@Evilpig> fedora is supposed to be rhel on the bleeding edge. rhel is it's settled down and had the training wheels taken off
03:45 <@Bahhumbug> the biggest thing they have in common is anaconda
03:45 < Mercster> Bahhumbug: and rpm?
03:45 <@Bahhumbug> bleeding edge is rawhide.
03:45 * Mercster stares at Bahhumbug
03:46 <@Bahhumbug> rpm is quite a bit different between the 2 from an implmentation standpoint. at least until EL6 was pushed.
03:46 < forgottenwizard> anacona? Isn't that the laptop-centric cron replacement?
03:46 <@Bahhumbug> xz compression, delata rpms, presto, etc.
03:46 <@Bahhumbug> anaconda is the installer
03:46 < forgottenwizard> ah
03:46 < Mercster> anaconda is the redhat installer
03:47 <@Bahhumbug> to be fair, I am quite jaded. I gave up on fedora years ago and moved exclusively into EL space and I've never looked back.
03:47 <@Evilpig> I just started seeing the delta rpms in 14
03:47 <@Evilpig> but I was running 11 and 12 before
03:47 <@Bahhumbug> I still keep up on fedora-devel and such, but there's far too much idiocy going on with the various sigs, fesco, etc.
03:47 < Mercster> well if you make your living off of linux, you'd do well to give up on fedora
03:47 < Mercster> i dont
03:48 < Mercster> so fedora is my distro of choice...although past FC12 scares me
03:48 <@Bahhumbug> fedora has its place if you'd a cutting edge developer. and that *is* the direction that fedora has taken for the past 3 or so years.
03:48 < Mercster> Bahhumbug: it's not as bad as debian, let's give it that
03:48 <@Bahhumbug> err, s/you'd/you're/
03:49 <@Evilpig> we aren't supposed to say debian in here. I thought that was a rule?
03:49 <@Bahhumbug> I've never, ever, been a debian proponent.
03:49 <@Bahhumbug> Oh, is it?
03:49 < Mercster> well, debian is shit
03:49 <@Bahhumbug> can I say debian sucks? and ubuntu spits?
03:49 < Mercster> so, good rule
03:49 < forgottenwizard> I've seen Ubuntu's predecesor's package manager screw itself
03:49 <@Evilpig> ubuntu was the only distro I could get running on my virtual host at home. nothing would see the fuckin' drive controller but it, at the time
03:50 < Mercster> ubuntu is slightly less sucky than debian, but it's hobbled by being based on debian, so at it's core, it still shit
03:50 < forgottenwizard> Ubuntu almost has the 'working automagically' bit going
03:51 < Mercster> ive never seen ubuntu work any magic that fedora couldnt
03:51 < forgottenwizard> I havn't touched Fedora in ages
03:52 < forgottenwizard> I dealt with RPMs back with SuSe 9.3. Frankly, RPMs scare me
03:52 < Mercster> and .debs dont?
03:52 < forgottenwizard> never said they didn't
03:52 <@Bahhumbug> packages are packages
03:53 < Mercster> right
03:53 <@Bahhumbug> what's important is the manager wrapped around them
03:53 < Mercster> yaaaay yum
03:53 < Mercster> yum/rpm
03:53 < Mercster> sooo much simpler than the constellation of poor tools in debian
03:53 < forgottenwizard> I still don't see why staticly compiled bins havn't caught on
03:53 < Mercster> forgottenwizard: because it's not 1993
03:54 < forgottenwizard> No dependency resolution
03:54 < Mercster> exactly
03:54 <@Bahhumbug> because a discovered issue with the linked library forces major rebuilds for all dependent items.
03:54 < Mercster> you just answered your own question :)
03:54 < forgottenwizard> no chance of a lib crapping out and kililng half the system
03:54 < Mercster> uh
03:55 < Mercster> ok im bowing out of this
03:55 * Mercster goes back to music
03:55 < forgottenwizard> lol
03:55 <@Bahhumbug> and I'm going back to work :)
03:55 < forgottenwizard> wow. That that touchey of a subject?
03:56 < Mercster> not touchy, just stupid
03:56 < forgottenwizard> how so?
03:57 < Mercster> if you have 200 processes on a machine, why load 200 copies of the same library into memory?
03:57 < Mercster> welcome to shared libraries!
03:57 < forgottenwizard> why does that matter when you have 8+G RAM?
03:57 < Mercster> well, it may not
03:57 < forgottenwizard> it is a trade off
03:58 < forgottenwizard> actually, I think the folks at suckless.org are making a static bin-based distro
03:59 < Mercster> from an engineering standpoint, it's stupid
03:59 <@Bahhumbug> and again, that's utterly retarded.
03:59 <@Bahhumbug> glibc / uclib is shown to have a MAJOR security issue
03:59 <@Bahhumbug> you now get to rebuild the ENTIRE distribution.
03:59 < Mercster> and at the opposite end of things from your point of view, you have people still complaining that GNOME is bloated
04:00 < Mercster> imagine loading gtk2+ for every gnome component
04:00 < forgottenwizard> mhmm
04:02 < Mercster> and then you have servers that are running multiple instances of apache, named, sendmail, any number of daemons, and we're not even approaching the topic of virtualization
04:03 < Mercster> you run what you want on your desktop, but in the real world, dynamically linked libraries are just good science
04:03 < forgottenwizard> actually, doesn't linux have a new feature that allows portions of memory to be merged into a single page when they are duplicates?
04:03 < Mercster> i dont follow lkml, you tell me
04:03 < forgottenwizard> I believe so. Lemme check
04:04 < Mercster> shared libs are here to stay, sorry. im just here to tell you :)
04:04 < Mercster> adding overhead in the kernel to deal with something that's already handled by ld.so is a lose
04:05 < forgottenwizard> 2.6.37, Enable KSM (Kernel Samepage Merging) for page merging
04:06 < forgottenwizard> actually, it is probably geared towards virtualization. No point in storing the same kernel 20 times in RAM when all of them can run off one instance
04:08 < Mercster> you sound like the perfect gentoo user
04:08 < forgottenwizard> how so?
04:08 < Mercster> -O6 for the win!
04:09 < forgottenwizard> gcc doesn't go beyond -O3
04:09 < Mercster> dont tell gentoo users that
04:09 < forgottenwizard> personally I hate Gentoo, but I know it well enough to be able to work around the more annoying portions
04:09 < Mercster> i only know gentoo as a joke
04:10 < forgottenwizard> I actually do run Gentoo. I have for several years
04:10 < Mercster> i bet :)
04:10 < forgottenwizard> gradually watched it die. I've thought of migrating to Arch, but meh, I can't be bothered reinstalling right now
04:11 < Mercster> do you know why gentoo died?
04:12 < Mercster> because it was fucking stupidf
04:12 < forgottenwizard> best I can tell Dobbins left and the people who took over were more concerned about policy and politics than anything else
04:12 < Mercster> like wanting a system built entirely on static binaries
04:12 < Mercster> i suggest fedora to you
04:12 < forgottenwizard> why?
04:12 < Mercster> I MUST GO BACK TO MUSIC NOW
04:14 <@Evilpig> I think I like this rutorrent setup. if I am gonna use this for multiple users I would totally have to run multiple copies of rtorrent though
04:17 < Mercster> Evilpig: im more of a usenet person
04:20 < Mercster> they're slightly different targets
04:20 < Mercster> torrents are much more targeted, but more unreliable
04:20 < Mercster> usenet is diffuse, but reliable as fuck
04:20 <@Bahhumbug> stolen media / software is stolen media/software, the method to get it isn't really relevant.
04:20 <@Evilpig> I like my rss feeds plus a private tracker
04:21 < Mercster> Bahhumbug: it's relevant when you have to rely on a limited number of seeders
04:21 <@Evilpig> when a tv show has 10,000+ seeders on the night something comes out. it's pretty reliable
04:21 < Mercster> verses hitting your netnews server
04:22 < Mercster> Evilpig: yeah, TV is a good test case for torrents
04:22 < Mercster> you're right
04:22 < Mercster> but TV shows arent the only interesting things out there :)
04:22 <@Bahhumbug> I've never had a problem getting what I want from torrents.
04:22 <@Evilpig> but they are what I use torrents for
04:22 < Mercster> say i want a popular role playing game from 1993
04:22 < Mercster> torrents aint gonna do shit for you
04:23 <@Bahhumbug> I gave up on usenet for all intents when I stopped hosting one of the top-10 servers in the world back in '99.
04:23 < Mercster> on the other hand, usenet will probably help you
04:23 <@Evilpig> perfect example. this aired 6 hours ago, approx http://www.kickasstorrents.com/v-2009-s02e05-hdtv-xvid-2hd-eztv-t5157256.html
04:23 < Mercster> and will max out your downlink, as long as you have a decent server
04:24 <@Evilpig> 7006 seeds, 12603 leechers
04:24 < Mercster> just depends on what you download
04:24 <@Evilpig> which reminds me. I need to pull that from my ftp so I can watch here
04:24 <@Bahhumbug> Evilpig: I am partial to eztv, bt-chat and tvtorrents.com
04:24 <@Evilpig> i've got the rss feed for eztv, bt-chat and supertorrents
04:25 <@Bahhumbug> combining those, and the odd smattering of tpb for uncarried shows on the other 3, works out perfectly for me.
04:25 <@Bahhumbug> Evilpig: if you want an invite to tvtorrents, let me know. they've the fastest trackers I've ever seen.
04:25 < Mercster> im uninterested in 99% of TV. i watch documenaries and news on TV, sometimes the odd movie
04:25 <@Evilpig> i'll let ya know. supertorrents has been pretty damned fast for me
04:26 <@Evilpig> I am trying to talk the guys that run the site to coming to talk at PN about running a "high traffic" web site
04:26 < Mercster> well, ill be fair
04:26 < Mercster> OH
04:26 < Mercster> that reminds me!
04:26 < Mercster> you guys watch Jeopardy! ?
04:26 <@Evilpig> nope. but I heard about the computer being put on there
04:26 < Mercster> dude from knoxville has been champion 2 days in a row!
04:27 < Mercster> and he's DOMINATED, too
04:27 <@Bahhumbug> meh
04:27 < Mercster> Evilpig: yeah im gonna watch that too
04:27 <@Bahhumbug> whene he beats Ken Jennings I'll be impressed.
04:27 < Mercster> but i watch every episode of Jeopardu
04:27 < Mercster> Jeopardy, rather
04:27 <@Bahhumbug> so do we.
04:27 <@Bahhumbug> well, we try to, schedules don't always permit it.
04:27 <@Bahhumbug> work and all that.
04:27 < Mercster> Bahhumbug: he may not, but Jennings is going up against IBM's Watson next week
04:28 < Mercster> Feb 14-16 iirc
04:28 <@Bahhumbug> I've done a bit of reading up on Watson.
04:28 < Mercster> Bahhumbug: that's why i have a DVR
04:28 <@Bahhumbug> There is no way that 2 humans can beat it.
04:28 < Mercster> i watch jeopardy every day, but not when it airs
04:28 < Mercster> i watch it when it's convenient for me :)
04:28 <@Bahhumbug> I can torrent it down daily, but I don't bother.
04:29 <@Bahhumbug> it's one of the few shows we take the time to watch live. and quite ofter over dinner.
04:29 < Mercster> well it's not live anyway
04:29 <@Bahhumbug> you know what I mean :/
04:29 < Mercster> you mean "i like to watch it when it airs"
04:29 < Mercster> yeah but, why "meh" at DVR'ing it
04:29 <@Bahhumbug> If I want pedantic I'll go back to work.
04:29 < Mercster> i watch it every day :)
04:30 <@Bahhumbug> Which, sadly, I need to do. I've got proposals I need on someones desk in the morning.
04:32 < Mercster> anyway
04:32 < Mercster> yeah last 2 days, dude from knoxville
04:32 < Mercster> he's a "web developer"
04:32 < Mercster> paul
04:32 < Mercster> he's been kicking ass and taking names
04:33 <@Evilpig> found a neat css rendering glitch in chrome earlier
04:34 <@Evilpig> table with 9 frames. 3x3. set the table to 100% width. each frame has an image inside it all equal size. set the img property to height: 100% width:100%
04:35 <@Evilpig> that should always render witht he table at the max width of the screen, oh and I had height set at 100% too. and the images should be all the same size
04:35 <@Evilpig> it was random as to which was what size. I had a widescreen like aspect in the middle then two tiny ones on either side, etc. every combination you can imagine I got. ff, safari and ie all loaded the same. chrome... was strange
04:36 <@Evilpig> ended up setting the td element to 33% and it solved it.
04:37 < Mercster> fascinating
04:40 < Mercster> heh, ill lay ya nuts on a dresser, just ya fuckin' nuts layin' on a fuckin' dresser, an' BANG dem shits wit a spiked fuckin bat....shhh-da BLAOW!
04:40 < Mercster> ill fuckin', ill fuckin
04:41 < Mercster> ill sew ya asshole closed and keep FEEDIN' YOU
04:41 < Mercster> an' FEEDIN' YOU
04:41 < Mercster> an' FEEDIN' YOU
04:42 <@Evilpig> anyone know of a simple app I can load on my webserver to get me video streaming?
04:42 <@Evilpig> like I have a directory full of files that I want it to transcode, most likely, and feed to me via something. flash, etc
04:42 < Mercster> no idea
04:43 < Mercster> i'd like a little web app that would stream video from my live webcam
04:44 <@Evilpig> I've use a few. yawcam can do that
04:44 < Mercster> linux?
04:44 < Mercster> ive got win7 on the desktop
04:44 <@Evilpig> I got pissed at it cause it is written in java and made my system run like absolute ass
04:44 <@Evilpig> it was for windows
04:44 < Mercster> oh yeah
04:44 < Mercster> hm
04:45 < Mercster> ill look into it
04:45 <@Evilpig> it can be set to run as a service too
04:45 < Mercster> huh
04:45 < Mercster> but you said it's bloated shit eh
04:45 <@Evilpig> hidden. not seen. just worked
04:45 <@Evilpig> it's java...
04:45 < Mercster> heh
04:45 < Mercster> well, ill look into it
04:45 < Mercster> thanks
04:46 <@Evilpig> it isn't bloated, per se, just java... slow and doesn't give a shit whatelse the system is doing
04:46 < Mercster> nod
04:47 < Mercster> Evilpig: it'd be nice if it could be toggled
04:48 < Mercster> start working, stop working
04:48 <@Evilpig> play with it. you can start and stop it any number of ways.
04:48 < Mercster> ok
04:48 <@Evilpig> I used it for years and only ever stopped it when I was trying to play WoW or something that actually used the system
04:49 < Mercster> gotcha
04:49 < Mercster> sounds like it would be reasonable for intermittent "hey look at me" type situations
04:49 <@Evilpig> yup
04:49 < Mercster> downloading now
04:49 <@Evilpig> I might even have the quick code snippet you need to make it live. sec
04:50 <@Evilpig>
04:50 <@Evilpig>
04:51 < Mercster> hum
04:51 < Mercster> ok, thanks
04:51 <@Evilpig> i'd have to upload the js someplace though.
04:51 < Mercster> wait wait
04:51 <@Evilpig> wilpig.org/temp/yawcam.js
04:51 < Mercster> the .js doesnt come in the package?
04:51 <@Evilpig> it probably is
04:51 < Mercster> see this should be easier
04:51 <@Evilpig> I don't remember. it was a while back
04:52 <@Evilpig> I had to turn it off cause my wife thought the camera being on all the time was creepy
04:52 < Mercster> this is 2011, why cant we have easy webcam software
04:52 <@Evilpig> and I had a stalker for a while that made it worse
04:52 < Mercster> haha
04:52 < Mercster> ok ive got the code, if i need it
04:53 < Mercster> frankly there should be something like "just put this in your DOCROOT"
04:54 < Mercster> but of course, im a dumbass
04:55 <@Evilpig> http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id=7f08931d-b25b-4e83-8a6f-1d295d297b23 ROFL I want this game
04:56 < Mercster> oh lord
04:56 < Mercster> speaking of games
04:57 < Mercster> oh shuttup mexican lady
04:57 < Mercster> anyway
04:57 < Mercster> speaking of games
04:57 < Mercster> i was playing angry birds yesterday
04:57 < Mercster> and boy, do i suck at angry birds
04:57 <@Evilpig> like angry birds
04:57 < Mercster> i have friends who are trying to get 3 stars on every level
04:58 < Mercster> im lucky if i can pass a fucking level
04:58 <@Evilpig> I semi-gave up on that
04:58 <@Evilpig> I got nearly all the first three pages done at three stars
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04:58 < Mercster> and i havent even gotten to where you get anything other than the normal red birds
04:58 < Mercster> even the basic levels fuck me up
04:58 < Mercster> i guess im a dumbass
04:58 < Mercster> or just bad at games
04:59 < Mercster> i think i just lack the patience
05:04 < Mercster> i try one or two times on a level, i fail, and then im like "fuck this"
05:05 < Mercster> it's partially random too, sometimes the pigs die easily and other times it doesnt go so well
05:05 < Mercster> so it's not deterministic at all
06:23 <@Evilpig> "Birthday present from Mom & Dad" http://i.imgur.com/hE2MB.jpg
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08:21 <@Evilpig> either everyone on the mailing list is mailing me directly OR I fucked up the mailman config and set it to default to send to the poster not the list
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08:38 < Mercster> moonlight
08:38 < Mercster> on
08:38 < Mercster> vermont
08:44 < epoxy> word.
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08:57 < Mercster> goes to show you what a moon can do...
09:10 <@oddball> I know Phreaknic is a long way off, but think there would be interest in having a robot battle there?
09:11 <@oddball> I found out one of the guys I take Tae Kwon Do with is into that sort of thing.
09:19 <@Evilpig> oddball: if we can get enough people ahead of time saying they want to come out and have a robot battle, you know i'm down for it
09:19 <@Evilpig> i'll be ring side bottle in hand
09:20 < Dickie> "water" bottle
09:21 <@oddball> He was saying that there were some folks that wanted to get something going in Nashville. They're going to be at MTAC and GMX. I'm going to try to get them at Hypericon (being the gaming director and all), and figured you guys would be interested.
09:22 <@Evilpig> yeah we're interested. we've got some guys coming out for warhammer 40k that weekend
09:22 < Dickie> Neeeeeeeeeerd
09:22 <@oddball> heh, really?
09:22 <@Evilpig> yup
09:23 <@Evilpig> they're bringing a good sized setup from what I was told
09:23 <@oddball> Hell, if you guys really want nerdy, I might be able to arrange a magic tourney for you.
09:23 <@Evilpig> talked to two of them and confirmed twice already
09:23 <@Evilpig> we're pulling out the stops this year. we're shooting for overflow spawn
09:23 <@Evilpig> spce*
09:23 < Dickie> I'm joshin'. I do the D&D.
09:23 <@Evilpig> fuck I can't type
09:24 <@Evilpig> we've been discussing some interesting marketting ideas too. gotta get the date set for sure then that will go full force. gonna start on the website next week possibly
09:25 <@oddball> cool
09:25 <@Evilpig> we do have a date in mind already as well. just waiting on the nfl schedule but if we get the one we want we'll have a return of Elonka and Laughingboy
09:26 <@Evilpig> if the NFL strikes this year, as predicted, we'll have our choice of dates
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09:31 < epoxy> any FL2600 people here?
09:40 <@oddball> I thought Laughingboy had gotten too cool for Phreaknic.
09:40 <@oddball> Or rather, he was too busy off chasing ghosts that time of year.
09:41 <@muskyhusky> epoxy, well considering i haven't been to a 2600 meeting down here im not sure
09:41 <@muskyhusky> i think the only thing really active around here is golug
09:42 < epoxy> muskyhusky, you're in orlando?
09:42 <@muskyhusky> yes
09:42 < epoxy> leap is very active :)
09:42 <@Evilpig> laughingboy has been chasing ghosts that time of year. it is his money maker now
09:42 <@muskyhusky> oh
09:43 < epoxy> muskyhusky, I'm moving to metrowest in April. I hear there are meets in Tampa
09:43 <@oddball> Evilpig: right. Which is why I'm surprised to hear that he may be back this year.
09:43 <@muskyhusky> thats a bit of a drive for a meeting
09:43 <@muskyhusky> 2 hrs
09:43 < epoxy> i threw up http://fl2600.org but don't have anything to put on there quite yet .. i just notices in #fl2600 people were always stopping in to ask if there was a meet in XYZ
09:43 <@Evilpig> oddball: that's because we are looking at the first weekend in november. ;)
09:44 <@oddball> gotcha
09:44 <@Evilpig> already been in contact with him about it
09:44 <@muskyhusky> i dunno what leap is
09:44 <@Evilpig> even used the excuse of "damnit patrick, there are haunted places in nashville you can poke with a stick"
09:45 < epoxy> muskyhusky, http://www.leap-cf.org/ another LUG
09:45 <@oddball> I even know someone that used to give the Haunted Nashville tours.
09:45 < epoxy> there is a BUG also... http://www.beap-cf.info/
09:45 <@oddball> Hell, our Columbia office is fucking haunted.
09:46 <@muskyhusky> oh nice
09:46 <@Evilpig> oddball: just because former employees left ghosts int he system that doesn't mean the joint is haunted
09:46 < epoxy> muskyhusky, moving to orlando from NC... should be interesting ;)
09:46 <@oddball> Oh, no... it's in an old house that's on the historic registry.
09:47 <@oddball> I was hearing shit going on there while I was setting the office up.
09:47 <@muskyhusky> i was thinking about going to one of their installfest but ive used nix for years so i dunno
09:48 < epoxy> Heh.. you could go help out some ubuntu noobs ;)
09:49 < epoxy> not that that is bad.. just say'n :)
09:49 <@oddball> It's also a good way to meet folks.
09:50 < epoxy> yup y up.. i'll be there when I get there. Moving to a new place far away with an at-home job.
09:50 * epoxy needs socialization
09:50 <@oddball> I had a pretty good time when I hosted the nlug install fests at NewHo.
09:52 <@muskyhusky> epoxy, might wanna join #leap
09:53 <@muskyhusky> a few people chat there
09:53 < epoxy> ah
10:06 <@muskyhusky> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/856582/1297246163690.jpg
10:06 <@muskyhusky> sfw
10:07 <@opticron> ew
10:08 < epoxy> haha
10:08 < epoxy> I wonder if there is any corruption in that
10:09 <@muskyhusky> hmm
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12:00 < ware> whats the nash2600 presiding board look like now?
12:02 <@Corydon76-home> Looks like a bunch of guys
12:03 < ware> ?
12:03 <@Corydon76-home> epoxy: Somehow, I doubt it works at all
12:03 < ware> what does that mean?
12:03 < ware> i thought the election results were supposed to go out to the list
12:03 <@Corydon76-home> That is an indicative word
12:03 <@Corydon76-home> But I thought the group was dead!
12:04 < ware> so they election results are not supposed to go out to the list?
12:04 < ware> the*
12:04 < ware> such a fickle group =/
12:04 < ware> anyone else know the election results but are willing to share?
12:05 <@Corydon76-home> I'm not president, how 'bout that?
12:05 < ware> doesnt tell me what i want to know
12:05 < ware> so youre still useless
12:05 < ware> ty
12:05 <@Corydon76-home> NotLarry is president
12:07 < ware> thanks!
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14:14 <@Bahhumbug> ware is so very pleasant.
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14:15 < Dickie> Shhhhh...
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15:31 < Mercster> dachau blues, dem poor jews...
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18:45 < eryc> fuck your crackers
18:50 <@opticron> D: not my crackers
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20:39 < Dickie> You can fuck my crackers.
20:39 < Dickie> I'm done with them.
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20:49 <@Dagmar> Damnit
20:49 <@Dagmar> I'm about to heave to break out some science on this machine
20:50 < eryc> I fucked yo crackers!
20:50 <@Dagmar> Symptoms: Gf's machine is entirely identical to mine with the exception of hard drives and PSUs, and the fucking motherboard's integrated video BIOS *won't* stop on hers
20:51 <@Dagmar> When it boots, it shows the *name* of the add-on PCIe card, and a BIOS revision not listed anywher
20:52 <@Dagmar> Since it's a 7xxx series card onboard, if you install a 6600GT, it basically refuses to use _any_ of the PCIe card
20:52 <@Dagmar> Like, the onboard literally takes over the add-on nVidia card
20:53 <@Dagmar> I'm gonna fuckin take the addon card out, boot the goddamn thing into XP using the onboard, and reflash the damn _video_ chipset with the latest nVidia BIOS package from ASUS
20:53 <@Dagmar> ...and if that doesn't work, I'm going to KILL. IT. WITH. FIRE.
20:56 <@Dagmar> This is a bitch because when I built her this machine I intended for it to END any problems
20:56 <@Dagmar> ...so I made it an exact duplicate of mine... which runs like a fuckin' champ
20:56 < Mercster> _wow_ DAMN *that sucks*
20:56 < Mercster> also, fuckin'
20:57 <@Dagmar> Oh another very awesome symptom is that the damn thing frequently decides that the 1440x900 video mode doesn't exist.
21:01 <@opticron> huh
21:03 <@Dagmar> Windows polls the video card to get the resolutions it supports
21:03 <@opticron> hardware glitch?
21:03 <@Dagmar> The perfectly normal 1440x900 mode simply _disappears_ from the list. Sucky thing is that's the res of the monitor the machine is connected to
21:04 <@Dagmar> Like, it's really clear the 7025's BIOS isn't disabling itself, and overwriting part of the PCIe card's BIOS, or possibly driving the thing
21:09 <@Dagmar> If this doesn't sort it I'll replace that damn motherboard
21:09 <@Dagmar> Under Linux you can *see* that the output of lspci is crap
21:10 <@Dagmar> ...that is, after you spend several minutes trying to get a usable console on it
21:10 <@opticron> ouch
21:41 < eryc> sounds like you need a new printer
21:48 <@Dagmar> gonna try a different approach now.
21:48 <@Dagmar> I'm booting the thing up without the monitor connected
21:52 < Mercster> add bacon
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21:58 <@Dagmar> No joy. Different VGA cable (just by some wild chance), also no effect.
21:58 <@Dagmar> Fuckit. The motherboard's getting replaced when I upgrade my fileserver
21:59 < Mercster> *wow*, _cool_
21:59 < Mercster> FUCKIN'
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22:52 < Todd> wait.. I heard windows. There's your problem.
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23:27 <@Dagmar> I wish it were
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