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00:02 <@Evilpig> Bahhumbug: FBI....  Chris Hansen
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11:35 <@Evilpig> Dickie: you there?
11:36 < eryc_> did you lose your dickie
11:42 < pierut> it is detachable
11:42 < pierut> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byDiILrNbM4
11:42 < pierut> yay
12:15 < Dickie> Dickie:  Reporting in.
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12:35 < eryc_> hello sdodson
12:50 <@sdodson> eryc_: hi there
12:51 <@sdodson> why was mercster banned this time?
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13:03 < Bahhumbug> for being an asshat a couple months back and effectively begging Evilpig to do it by taunting him.
13:03 <@Corydon76-home> sdodson: apparently, he wasn't taking his medication
13:04 <@Dagmar> <-- not surpised at anything except that Mercster was *unbanned*
13:04 < Bahhumbug> heh
13:04 < Bahhumbug> it's ok; it's only temporary I'm sure.
13:05 < Bahhumbug> by the way, it was a +q mute, at least according to the mute list.
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13:09 <@sdodson> maybe it'll take him a few weeks to notice he's unbanned
13:10 <@sdodson> i need to find a nice small desk
13:10 <@sdodson> everything at ikea looks lame
13:14 <@sdodson> anyone have opinoins on glass top desks, yay or nay? like http://www.officemax.com/office-furniture/desks-laptop-stands/product-prod1880054?history=tkbt3zd6|categoryId~10001^categoryName~Office+Furniture^parentCategoryID~category_root^prodPage~25^region~1@uozdh15g|prodPage~15^refine~1^region~1^categoryName~desks-laptop-stands^categoryId~cat1390010^parentCategoryID~cat_10001@d6md1sp2|prodPage~15^refine~1^position~16^region~1@4eweo3ke|prodPage~15^refine~
13:14 <@sdodson> mmm long links
13:15 <@sdodson> http://lnk.nu/officemax.com/1jd9  for those of you too silly to use a client that just lets you click on things
13:16 < Bahhumbug> banned or not, he's still muted in this channel :)
13:20 <@sdodson> i don't even know how to check that so oh well
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13:21 < Bahhumbug> same as +b bans, /mode $channel +q for a list, /mode #channel -q $hostmask to remove
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13:26 <@sdodson> i should go see the NHL allstar stuff, oh and leave the house cause it's actually nice outside
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14:05 <@sasquatc4> sdodson: i think i actually had that exact same desk, or something extremely similar, in college
14:06 <@sasquatc4> actually yea, mine was the cart version, but almost the same thing
14:07 <@sasquatc4> it was alright, did the job, glass alright since its easy to clean, i think the keyboard tray on it was a little flaky tho
14:14 <@sasquatc4> dont remember how well mice work on it tho, prolly still used a mouse pad back then
14:16 <@ShadowHntr> so anyone at shmoocon?
15:26 < hobbes615> i wanted to go, but they sell out fast
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20:06 < eryc_> sdodson: did you leave the house
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21:25 <@sdodson> eryc_: what?
21:26 <@sdodson> sasquatc4: ya, i'm not sure what to think about keyboard trays, they all seem super janky
21:27 <@sdodson> My poor Palm Pre is screwing up in new ways every day. What's the best android phone that's no larger than an iPhone? I don't like those huge phones.
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21:29 <@sdodson> eryc_: ya, i went to the lake, went down town
21:36 < eryc_> cool
21:36 < eryc_> i looked at that same desk a while back at officemax or wherever
21:36 < eryc_> i almost got it but they didnt have any in stock
21:37 < eryc_> i never did find a good desk anywhere, they all suck
21:37 < eryc_> and yea kb trays all suck worse
21:50 <@sdodson> So the deal is a friend is moving into my second bedroom M-W nights, the other nights he'll be at the beach w/ his gf 2 hours away.
21:51 <@sdodson> So I'm going to clear out some shit from the second room, but now he's waivering so I'm wondering if I should just leave my shit in the room figuring he'll probably end up not staying for more than a few weeks before he says it's too much trouble.
21:52 <@sdodson> Seems like I have to get a 4G phone if I want to stay with Sprint.
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21:58 < eryc_> how much is he paying for that?
21:59 < eryc_> Sprint 4G isn't exactly widespread
21:59 < eryc_> I use it when I want to talk on the phone and do internet shit or when there's some calamity and 3G is hosed and I want to do internet shit.
22:00 < eryc_> Otherwise its either not available or it kills the battery in 5mins.
22:00 <@sdodson> I think it's an extra $10/month
22:00 < eryc_> I'm guessing all 4G is like what I describe..
22:01 < eryc_> Yea I pay for the unlimited Sprint plan but I get to expense $75/mo with work
22:01 <@sdodson> It's available here in Raleigh, some of the folks at work were nutting over the speed.
22:02 <@sdodson> I don't care about speed over 3G really.
22:02 < eryc_> Its cool if you want to tether
22:02 <@sdodson> I'd only care about 4G speeds if I were using it for broadband connectivity or tethering.
22:02 < eryc_> otherwise its a waaste of battery
22:02 < eryc_> yea
22:02 <@sdodson> I wonder if places without 3G will go straight to 4G.
22:02 < eryc_> that's what you realize after you have it for like, a week
22:03 <@sdodson> Like, should we expect 3G coverage to hit really remote areas or will they go straight to 4G?
22:03 < eryc_> good question
22:03 < eryc_> doesn't 4G have wider range?
22:03 < eryc_> ie. less towers
22:03 < eryc_> seems like a good fit for BFE
22:03 <@sdodson> I dunno, you'd have yo know which 4G
22:04 <@sdodson> CDMA is best for range, I think 4G is CDMA for all technologies in use today.
22:04  * sdodson wikipedias
22:05 < eryc_> what does the godbrain say
22:05 < eryc_> or hivemind
22:06 < eryc_> shitfest?
22:06 < eryc_> dronebook
22:07 <@sdodson> what?
22:07 <@sdodson> eryc_: you don't like wikipedia?
22:07 < eryc_> i'm making funny
22:08 <@sdodson> Looks like wimax is generally used up to about 20miles
22:10 <@sdodson> It seems like the 4G people aren't endorsing WiMax as a 4G tech
22:21 <@Corydon76-home> sdodson: 4G is a buzzword.  There is no accepted definition for it, so it may be applied on any technology at all.
22:22 <@Corydon76-home> Note, for example, that T-Mobile is entirely GSM, yet they advertise certain phones as having 4G
22:24 <@Corydon76-home> You should probably ask what the maximum and typical speeds are, otherwise you're just getting marketing-speak
22:26 <@Corydon76-home> eryc_: I think you're confusing 3G/4G with 802.11g/n
22:30 < eryc_> "Some technologies, such as GSM, have a fixed maximum range of 4 km (2.3 miles), which is imposed by technical limitations. CDMA and iDEN have no built-in limit, but the limiting factor is really the ability of a low-powered personal cell phone to transmit back to the mast."
22:30 < eryc_> " In the early days of WiMAX it was common to see statements in the media describing WiMAX multipoint coverage extending 30 miles.  In the early days of WiMAX it was common to see statements in the media describing WiMAX multipoint coverage extending 30 miles."
22:31 <@Corydon76-home> eryc_: right, but again, 4G is not limited to CDMA
22:35 <@opticron> TMobile is lying about having 4G, HSPA+ is just an extension to 3G
22:36 <@Corydon76-home> opticron: If there's no industry standard as to what constitutes 4G, how can anybody lie about having it?
22:36 <@Corydon76-home> As I said, it's just a buzzword.  Unless you ask the question of what speeds are maximum and typical, you are being bamboozled by marketing
22:38 <@Corydon76-home> http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/209828/4g_definition_creates_marketing_freeforall.html
22:40 <@Dagmar> But... but... It's got FOUR G's!
22:40 <@Dagmar> That'
22:40 <@Dagmar> That's just gotta be fasterer!
22:42 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: Exactly
22:47 <@Corydon76-home> opticron: the ITU coming in after carriers are already claiming 4G and "defining" the term is kind of like us saying what "hacker" means and expecting the media to conform to our definition.  Doesn't quite work in the real world.
22:48 <@Corydon76-home> If you go with the ITU's definition, then nobody has 4G today.
22:48 <@opticron> common sense tells me that a 4G network is not a 3G network is not a 2G network
22:49 <@opticron> it's entirely possible that once LTE and Wimax reach the proper speeds, they could be called 4G
22:49 <@Corydon76-home> Common sense tells me that a new diet pill on the market really, really works, because a bunch of marketing folks told me so
22:50 <@opticron> good thing I don't listen to marketards
22:51 <@Corydon76-home> opticron: Can I quote you on that?  I'm sure we can find something that you believe today that you did not realize was entirely manufactured by marketing executives
22:51 <@opticron> while possible, it's much less than the average american and likely from quite a bit earlier in my life
22:52 < eryc_> I'm not sure we can find something that you can resist being an arrogant argumentative twit about.
22:52 <@opticron> s/possible/probable/
22:52 <@opticron> you know me all too well :)
22:53 <@Corydon76-home> opticron: does common sense also dictate that HTML 4.0 is not built on HTML 3.0 is not built on HTML 2.0?  ;-)
22:53 <@opticron> not at all :)
22:54 <@Corydon76-home> opticron: I think that if a 4G network cannot be built on a 3G network, then it's plausible to believe that HTML 4.0 is not built on HTML 3.0
22:54 < eryc_> uh what
22:55 <@Corydon76-home> eryc_: We all know the second part is ridiculous
22:55 < eryc_> oh ok
22:56 <@Corydon76-home> Hence the point
22:58 < eryc_> science channel is running a how it's made marathon all weekend
22:58 <@Dagmar> Ah you just glue on another G and tell the marketing people
22:59 < eryc_> tres double G yo!
22:59 < eryc_> now on Boost Mobile
22:59  * eryc_ throws gang signs
22:59 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: or "ITU standard 4G"
23:00 <@Corydon76-home> or "4.5G"
23:00 <@Corydon76-home> Hell, they might even call it "5G" just to eliminate confusion
23:01 <@Corydon76-home> but they'd probably need a treaty in place to guarantee that it's used the same way everywhere
23:06 <@opticron> it'll all be fun and games until someone starts suing the networks for calling things 4G that aren't ITU 4G
23:08 <@sdodson> you guys are driving me to go watch snl, if it sucks i will blame in on you
23:09 < eryc_> the ITU considers HSPA+ to be 4G
23:09  * opticron entertains sdodson with terrible juggling
23:10 < eryc_> see: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2374564,00.asp
23:11 <@sdodson> I do tire of geeks going on about 4g not being any defined standard.
23:11 <@Corydon76-home> eryc_: heh, so the ITU changed its mind to remain relevant
23:11 <@Corydon76-home> sdodson: see the article he just posted.
23:12 <@Corydon76-home> "ITU: 4G is whatever the networks say it is" is basically the headline.
23:12 <@sdodson> Ok, I will, but I'd like to start another debate.  Minecrafttards > wowtards or wowtards > minecrafttards?
23:12 < Dickie> a
23:12 <@sdodson> I'm fine with 4G as it is now, i mostly understand what I'm buying if I get 4G.
23:12 < eryc_> Dickie!
23:13 < Dickie> omg that's me
23:13 <@sdodson> It's like complaining about not getting real chinese food when I go to China Wok down the street.
23:13 < eryc_> i think its better to talk in terms of WiMax, LTE, and HSPA+
23:13 <@Corydon76-home> sdodson: oddly enough, I just ignore the claims and just go with whatever performs well.
23:14 < eryc_> and forget all this 4G nonsense
23:15 <@Corydon76-home> On another topic, it seems like somebody was broadcasting a pirate GPS signal in M'boro today.  All of my devices went haywire around the 24-96 junction
23:16 <@opticron> pirate GPS? that's interesting
23:17 <@Corydon76-home> opticron: or possibly jamming
23:18 <@Corydon76-home> I suppose jamming seems more likely
23:22 <@sdodson> why do you attribute it to that rather than some other atmospheric condition?
23:22 <@Corydon76-home> sdodson: it was presumably localized, and the weather was sunny and clear
23:23 < eryc_> the military is doing testing
23:23 <@opticron> eryc_, the official cop-out: http://www.itu.int/net/pressoffice/press_releases/2010/48.aspx
23:24 < eryc_> http://news.google.com/nwshp?q=gps+testing
23:24 < eryc_> DoD is fucking with shit for the next month or so
23:26 <@Corydon76-home> Oh, I thought you were joking.  They are, indeed.
23:26 < eryc_> opticron: word. i recalled reading about the relaxed standards but i didn't care to comment until you mentioned suing them over 4G
23:26 <@Corydon76-home> http://radiomagonline.com/currents/news/gps-southeast-us-0124/
23:26 <@opticron> I'm apparently 2 months behind on news
23:26 < eryc_> yea its all part of Obama's plan to enslave white people
23:27 <@opticron> and take away our guns
23:27 <@sdodson> those assholes, i live within that area
23:27 < eryc_> sdodson: lulz
23:27 <@brimstone> hey, whatcha'll talkin' about?
23:27 <@opticron> freedom
23:27 <@sdodson> now how will i check into foursquare so people know i'm at work or at my house doing nothing interesting
23:27 < eryc_> it lasts like 45mins or something
23:28 <@opticron> entering locations manually? how quaint
23:28 < eryc_> then you can go on with your geolocating
23:30 <@Corydon76-home> I was using it for directions
23:31 <@sdodson> how very 2002 of you, this is 2011, we only use gps so our friends know when they're taking a shit
23:32 < eryc_> well there's like 2 other gps competitors launching sats
23:32 < eryc_> so soon enough we'll have redundancy
23:32 < eryc_> galileo and i thought there's another one
23:33 < eryc_> you can get chips that do both already
23:33 <@sdodson> Who runs them?
23:33 <@sdodson> Russia?
23:33 < MxZBot> russia is 7
23:33 < eryc_> EU is galileo
23:34 <@sdodson> topic is lulz
23:35 <@sdodson> not sure how i feel about competition in that space, that seems like a very basic thing that should be universal but then again i can see the desire of the military not to provide gps to our enemies
23:39 <@Corydon76-home> sdodson: Well, that's why civilian GPS fails above a certain altitude
23:40 < eryc_> and a certain speed i think
23:40 <@Corydon76-home> They wanted to ensure it would be useless for foreign missiles
23:40 < eryc_> sdodson: its like ubuntu
23:41 < eryc_> you got universe
23:41 <@Corydon76-home> eryc_: I've seen it fail above about 80,000 feet (balloon).  I've never been privy to something trying to do GPS which was moving very fast.
23:41 < eryc_> and now you got multiverse!
23:42 < eryc_> speeds >1000kts and altitudes >60,000 ft
23:43 < eryc_> according to some bloke
23:43 <@Corydon76-home> kts?
23:44 < eryc_> 1151mph
23:44 <@Corydon76-home> Heh, that's a bit faster than any vehicle that I have access to
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