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06:34 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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09:17 <@nachoguy> mr0nin
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09:43 <@Dolemite> Howdy, nacho!
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13:34 <@Dagmar> http://theoatmeal.com/comics/state_web_winter  XD
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16:45 <@Dagmar> NotLarry: call me if you see this
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17:36 <@Dagmar> Getting the hang of keeping critters off your back?
17:38 <@Dagmar> Hm... looks like the map renderer doesn't really know about colored wool yet
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18:57 < uSynx> In a shell script how can i determin where the file is located.  will pwd return the location the script was run from or the location of the script itself
19:00 < uSynx> script_dir="$(dirname "$(readlink -f ${BASH_SOURCE[0]})")"
19:00 <@Dagmar> As far as I know you have to look in /proc
19:00 < uSynx> seeing if this works
19:00 < uSynx> i need a backup script to run from my remote drive no matter how it gets mounted
19:07 <@Dagmar> I tried to solve htta one long ago and at the moment I cna't remember what screwball case I came up with that made me not trust a damn thing
19:07 <@Dagmar> Oh yeah, some asshole using `source scriptname.sh`
19:07 <@Dagmar> If you can cross that off the list of possibilities, you can probably use BASH_SOURCE|
19:08 < uSynx> not smart enough to get what your at
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19:08 < uSynx> sourcing a script in another script in another location?
19:08 <@Dagmar> Yep
19:08 < uSynx> got ya
19:08 < uSynx> ya i am only going to be using this backup script myself
19:09 < uSynx> need a simple way to maintain daily, monthy, yearly, and static (for music) backups on my 1.5tb portable
19:09 < uSynx> then ill rsync that to another portable for remote storage
19:09 < uSynx> the best backup solution i can think of at the moment
19:12 <@Dagmar> Hilarious
19:13 <@Dagmar> Someone tried to correct someone else saying 'octopuses', "because I should know, I'm an english major" and got linked Wikipedia for their troubles
19:13 <@Dagmar> ...where even more pedantic assholes have fully explained that since it's latin, it's octopodes and why
19:13 <@Dagmar> On the internet, no one can hear you washing your hands hourly
19:15 < uSynx> i thought it was octopi
19:16 <@Dagmar> Nope
19:16 <@Dagmar> You can almost hear the guy who wrote that paragraph, twitching
19:16 < uSynx> haha
19:17 < uSynx> so its really octopodes?
19:17 <@Dagmar> Yep.
19:17 < uSynx> neat
19:17 < uSynx> this readlink shit is not working
19:17 <@Dagmar> 25 years from now that part will probably have a link to the NOGAS page on Wikipedia, denoting that while it is technically correct that it's 'octopodes', No One Gives A S**t
19:17 < uSynx> it wont take the -f switch
19:21 < uSynx> oh its a osx thing
19:24 <@Corydon76-home> uSynx: Can you explain the purpose of the -f flag to readlink(1) ?
19:25 < uSynx> shit no
19:25 < uSynx> im just copying shit from google
19:25 < uSynx> i simply need my script to know where it is located
19:26 <@Corydon76-home> I converted something like that before, and I looked at that flag and did a double take.  The point seems to be utterly academic
19:26 < uSynx> so its pointless?
19:27 <@Corydon76-home> As best as I can tell
19:27 <@Dagmar> Everything else that's sane stops following links at some point
19:27 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: 7 links
19:27 < uSynx> honestly im not worried about links at all
19:27 <@Corydon76-home> If it was good enough for Dennis Ritchie...
19:27 <@Dagmar> I think I've seen gcc tell me to fuck off at 4-5
19:27 < uSynx> i assume dirpath $0 would do just fine
19:28 < uSynx> however i am not getting what i think i should, it keeps returning '.'
19:28 < uSynx> dirname that is
19:28 <@Dagmar> uSynx: I take it that you ran the script like `./foo.sh`, right?
19:28 < uSynx> i have tried running it like that and from another dir
19:28 < uSynx> both return '.'
19:29 < uSynx> what i need returned is the absolute path, '/Volumes/Backup \Node \A/'
19:30 < uSynx> the reasion i am trying this is because i need to account for mount location changes of this portable drive
19:31 <@Dagmar> Yeah, and I'm not sure that's entirely possible
19:32 <@Dagmar> Once I got something that filled a screenful I said "this is dumb"
19:32 <@Dagmar> You get less hassle from /proc/$$/cmdline
19:32 <@Dagmar> ...and /proc/$$/cwd
19:33 < uSynx> am i stupid or is there no /proc in osx
19:33 <@Corydon76-home> uSynx: try realpath(1)
19:33 <@Dagmar> uSynx: No, you're not stupid, you're fucked
19:34 < uSynx> haha
19:34 <@Dagmar> You can determine it's relative path pretty easily
19:35 <@Dagmar> Getting that to turn into something that ties all the way down into / is not so easy
19:35 < uSynx> dont have the use of realpath
19:35 < uSynx> i guess at this point i should simply assume that osx will always mount the drive in the same place unless i rename it
19:35 < uSynx> shrug
19:35 <@Dagmar> Probbaly so
19:35 < uSynx> i am obsessing about something stupid in the grand sceme
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19:36 < uSynx> ugh
19:36 <@Dagmar> No, you've just hit what looked like a shallow problem that turned out to be a huge pain in the ass
19:36 < uSynx> ya
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19:36 <@Corydon76-home> Path resolution is one of those hard-to-solve problems
19:36 <@Dagmar> Did I mention I'd written a screenful of shell script at 80x60 trying to sort that?
19:37 <@Dagmar> Lots of loveryly sedding and everything
19:37 <@Corydon76-home> I could probably write a good cmdline utility to solve it
19:37 < uSynx> err, ive got an idea
19:37 <@Corydon76-home> in C, though
19:38 <@Dagmar> I think my phrasing at the time was something along the lines of "you fuckers are setting a variable or cd'ing into the engine directory first"
19:38 < uSynx> why dont i just use relative paths in the rest of my script with rsync
19:38 < uSynx> ala
19:38 < uSynx> BASEDIR=$(dirname $0)
19:38 <@Dagmar> That is probably the sane thing to do
19:39 <@Corydon76-home> Or if you get back '.', just run 'pwd'
19:40 < uSynx> that still might not work though right
19:41 < uSynx> if i am in / when i run it
19:41 <@Corydon76-home> If you're in /, you shouldn't get '.'
19:42 <@Corydon76-home> Or if you do, it's still the right place
19:42 < uSynx> i am in / but the script is not
19:42 < uSynx> and its still returning .
19:42 <@Corydon76-home> The concept of "current directory" is kernel-based
19:42 <@Corydon76-home> and inherited by processes
19:43 <@Corydon76-home> So you don't need to overcomplicate by thinking that there's somehow going to be reset for each command you run.
19:43 < uSynx> ahh
19:46 <@Corydon76-home> Alternatively, you can obtain the inode number of ".", then perform an "ls -i" on each item in "..", and find the entry which matches.  You're at the top level when "." and ".." both are inode 2.
19:46 <@Corydon76-home> (or identical)
19:47 < uSynx> yikes
19:47 < uSynx> that doesn't sound fun
19:47 <@Corydon76-home> ls -id .
19:47 <@Corydon76-home> Sure, it does.  It's a recursive algorithm
19:48 < uSynx> problem is this assumes i run the command from the dir it is in no
19:48 < uSynx> pwd returns the location the script was run from
19:48 <@Corydon76-home> and then you can cd into that directory, if you like
19:48 <@Dagmar> Fucking pill spammers
19:48 <@Dagmar> Imma fuck me up a website here in a minute
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19:49 -!- Corydon76-home changed the topic of #se2600 to: <Dagmar> Imma fuck me up
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20:08 <@Dagmar> Having problems managing the complexities of cutting and pasting?
20:09 < uSynx> ugh
20:09 < uSynx> now i cant have spaces in the directories
20:09 < uSynx> i quit
20:09 < uSynx> this should not be hard
20:11 <@Dagmar> Fucking MediaWiki
20:13 <@Dagmar> it works hard to hide the goddamn IPs from you
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23:36 <@Dagmar> http://thereifixedit.failblog.org/2011/01/24/white-trash-repairs-we-may-have-found-the-source-of-the-electrical-fire/
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