--- Log opened Wed Dec 15 00:00:18 2010
00:16 <@Dagmar> I should stick with more ham-handed methods of cheatin' at games.
00:22 <@Evilpig> pierut: nice
00:27 <@Evilpig> what do y'all think of the deal on woot today?
00:48 <@Dagmar> I'm going to buy one of those fuckers
00:49 <@Evilpig> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_fW_j6UXdk
00:50 <@Evilpig> check that first.  the video is pretty washed out.  even for an led
00:50 <@Evilpig> it's a neat toy for $25 though
00:50 <@Dagmar> Yeah for $25 it can probably have shit resolution
00:50 <@Dagmar> I won't care
01:46 <@Dagmar> Fucking hell yes it worked.
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04:16 <@Dagmar> I give up.  Something's going completely awry during the re-obfuscation phase
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07:08 <@Dagmar> No one's ever said that about clever before.  How very odd.
07:17 <@Evilpig> eh?
07:19 <@Dagmar> Wrong channel.
07:19 <@Dagmar> I'm goin' to sleep
07:19 <@Dagmar> I've a feeling tomorrow will suck
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07:55 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:57 <@Evilpig> morning indeed.  just look at what notlarry is doing
07:57 <@Dolemite> what is he doing?
07:57  * Evilpig points at the topic
07:57 <@Dolemite> What is he doing with poor, innocent sheepies?
07:58 <@Evilpig> I didn't ask.  but I heard "baaaaa!  *BOOM*"
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09:45 <@nachoguy> mr0nin
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10:24 <@Dolemite> Heya, Nacho!
10:24 <@nachoguy> how goes, big pimpin?
10:24 <@Dolemite> Evilpig : Did you ever get around to playing that Chicken Little game on the Wii?
10:25 <@Dolemite> nachoguy : Trying to get the closing on a house set for Friday.
10:25 <@Dolemite> Tired of having my family about 200 miles away from me 5 days a week
10:25 <@nachoguy> Dolemite, but you've found something and have it locked up
10:26 <@nachoguy> better than not being able to find anything
10:26 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: I havne't done shit lately.
10:26 <@Dolemite> nachoguy : True dat.  We've actually got a pretty sweet deal on the house.
10:27 <@Dolemite> Currently 3200 SF, but there's 800 SF of basement that I'm going to build out this Spring.
10:27 <@Dolemite> So I'll have 4000 SF for $254K purchase + about $15K buildout.
10:28 <@nachoguy> damn; that's awesome
10:30 <@Dolemite> You can see the Smokies from the upstairs bedroom on one side...  and the Cumberland Mountains on the other side
10:31 <@nachoguy> sounds like you found an awesome place.  How far is the commute going to be for you?
10:31 <@Dolemite> 15 minutes to the security portal
10:32 <@nachoguy> nice
10:33 <@Dolemite> 5 minutes from the big shopping areas
10:33 <@Dolemite> Which, by the way, absolutely perplex me.
10:34 <@nachoguy> plus you're closer to Pigeon forge, Gatlinburg, and tail of the dragon
10:34 <@Dolemite> The two "best" malls here in Knoxville - one is indoor, the other is one of the new outdoor "walking malls" - both have TWO GameStop locations.
10:34 <@Dolemite> Surely Knoxville isn't home to THAT many gamers
10:34 <@Dolemite> Well, actually, it kind of makes sense
10:35 <@Dolemite> If you game that much, you probably can't walk to the opposite end of the mall to go to GameStop, so they have one at each end
10:35 <@Dolemite> But that's got to be some expensive rent to have two stores at each mall, plus there's nearly one on every corner down here
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10:36 < specialk> hiya
10:37 <@Dolemite> howdy
10:37 < specialk> hey dol
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10:39 <@Dolemite> aha!
10:39 <@Dolemite> Sneaky bastard!
10:39 < baudburn> hahah
10:39 <@nachoguy> heh
10:39 < baudburn> you know it
10:39 < baudburn> im like ninja
10:42 < baudburn> Dolemite: did i tell you i have a kiddo coming?
10:42 <@Dolemite> WHAT?
10:42 <@Dolemite> Congratulations!
10:42 <@Dolemite> When's the due date?
10:43 < baudburn> She's about 20 weeks right now
10:43 <@Dolemite> You'd better get out and party now, because your nights of staying up past 9 PM are over for a while - mainly because you'll be getting up every couple of hours ;)
10:43 < baudburn> early may we're looking at
10:43 <@Dolemite> That's when my daughter was born - Cinco de Mayo
10:43 < baudburn> man, im so borring these days, i dont get out and party much
10:43 <@Dolemite> You going to find out the sex of the baby beforehand?
10:43 < baudburn> mostly i work on my personal projects at night.. heh
10:43 < baudburn> yeah its a boy :)
10:43 < baudburn> and i'm going to call him Kenji
10:44 <@Dolemite> Heh, my wife and mother in law didn't believe our son would be a boy because they were too busy talking during the ultrasound
10:44 < baudburn> because Kenji Kobayashi is a cool name
10:44 <@Dolemite> the tech draws circles on the screen and says, "See?  Scrotum, penis.  It's a boy."  They both swear they never heard her say that or draw it on the screen.  Mother in law was even buying girl clothes.
10:45 <@opticron> baudburn, nice
10:45 <@Dolemite> That does sound like a prett damn cool name
10:45 < baudburn> lol
10:45  * opticron wishes his last name was kobayashi so his last name could match his first
10:45  * opticron goes by kinsey
10:45 < baudburn> heh
10:46 <@opticron> pronounced almost the same
10:46 < baudburn> when iw as young, the name kobayashi was kind of annoying
10:46 < baudburn> but i love it now
10:46 <@Dolemite> Well even in the past 10 years there is more acceptance of Asian names in cities outside of the big 3
10:47 < baudburn> yeah...
10:47 <@Dolemite> You people are breeding like rabbits!
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10:47 < baudburn> there was a bit o racisim in the 80s to asians
10:47 <@Dolemite> We gonna nickname you Humpty Burn
10:47 < baudburn> b's pissed cause he'll be 50% chinese and 25% japanses, but his name is all japanese
10:47 < baudburn> heh
10:48 <@Dolemite> baudburn : The only reason why there wasn't much racism towards asians before the 80s in rural America is because we didn't have any of 'em living there.
10:48 <@Dolemite> It was all because of that Michael Keaton movie.  That's what stirred up the shit.
10:49 < baudburn> haha
10:49 <@Dolemite> All based upon Nissan moving to Smyrna!
10:51 < baudburn> we're looking for daycare now
10:51 < baudburn> tha's expensive
10:51 <@Dolemite> Yep!
10:51 <@Dolemite> And don't even think about staying home with the kids and developing apps "in your spare time" - because you won't have any
10:51 < baudburn> hahah
10:52 < baudburn> oh well
10:52 <@Dolemite> A decent daycare, at least in Nashville, was about $700/month for an infant
10:52 < baudburn> yeah,w e've seen them from 800-1100
10:52 < baudburn> sadly, the one thats' both good and convenient for us is the 1100 one :(
10:53 <@opticron> wow...day cares make bank
10:53 <@Dolemite> well, day cares that hire qualified people that have been background checked to ensure that they're not pedobears.
10:53 < baudburn> maybe, but they also have to change diapers every hour
10:54 < baudburn> heh
10:56 < baudburn> i'm pretty stoked overall
10:56 < baudburn> didnt think i would be
11:07 <@Dolemite> I was pretty much in a daze until after 2.0 was born
11:07 <@Dolemite> Wondering what the fuck I'd gotten into
11:07 < baudburn> whys that
11:07 < baudburn> haha
11:07 <@Dolemite> We weren't trying, in the sense of intentionally wanting to be parents, at the time.
11:08 <@Dolemite> I got Pamela pregnant on the honeymoon.  I wanted a couple of years of just us before kids.
11:08 < baudburn> yeah
11:08 <@Dolemite> Ot
11:08 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: but her and that needle said otherwise
11:08 <@Dolemite> It's about as rough as you can get without a shotgun marriage
11:09 <@Dolemite> but we've made it through it
11:09 <@Dolemite> just not how either of us had planned it, and neither of us would go back and change it
11:09 < baudburn> we had some time.. we decided it was time to start trying.. but we didnt expect it take that quic...
11:09 <@Dolemite> yeah, that's the biggest disappointment!
11:09 < baudburn> hah
11:09 <@Evilpig> baudburn: do we need to have the talk about where babies come from?
11:10 <@Dolemite> The next biggest disappointment is when you've tried for a little while and then your wife starts taking her ovo temperature and trying to chase you down while the conditions are just right.
11:11 <@Dolemite> It's no longer the spontaneous, fun sex - it's the calculated, means-to-an-end sex.
11:11 <@Dolemite> welcome to parenthood!
11:12 <@sasquatc4> now thats a great story: http://gizmodo.com/5713664/this-great-ebay-scam-will-warm-your-heart
11:12 <@oddball> Dolemite: hey, I picked up one of those tablets you were recommending a couple weeks ago.  Fun little toy.
11:13 <@Dolemite> oddball : Did you replace the OS image on it yet?
11:13 <@oddball> yep, a couple times :p
11:13 <@Dolemite> which one you running?
11:13 <@Dolemite> I have been using the Cruzer ROM lately
11:13 < baudburn> hah
11:13 <@oddball> I forget which one I'm running at the moment.
11:14 < baudburn> and in unrelated news, anyone here a gran turismo fan?
11:14 <@Dolemite> I actually enjoy using it as an e-Reader
11:14 <@Dolemite> baudburn : Movie or car?
11:14 <@oddball> Yeah, it's pretty good for that and web browsing.
11:14 < baudburn> i'm trying to get in my GT5 time, while i can
11:14 <@Dolemite> Oh, wait, movie was Gran Turino
11:14 < baudburn> movies is gran torino
11:14 < baudburn> turismo is the game
11:15 <@Dolemite> Games?  You won't have time for those, either.  LOL
11:15 < baudburn> hah
11:15 <@Dolemite> Not until the child turns 3, then you never get to see your Wii again until she goes to bed.
11:15 < baudburn> Dolemite: thanks for making me so excited about this
11:15 <@oddball> Although, I picked up a Velocity Micro Cruz for my Dad for Christmas.  More battery life, proper Android interface out of the box, and does just about everything I've hacked the other to do.
11:15 <@Dolemite> Just setting your expectations properly ;)
11:15 < baudburn> haha
11:16 <@Dolemite> oddball : How much was the Cruz, though?
11:16 <@oddball> (Best Buy currently has the Cruz for $119)
11:16 <@Dolemite> Oh, that's really good
11:16 <@oddball> Looking at the 2, I'm pretty sure most of the parts came off the same line.
11:16 <@Dolemite> Of course, the new Nook Color has been hacked with FroYo already
11:19 <@sasquatc4> anyone tried the kindle? woman was wantin one for chrimmas so i broke down
11:19 < baudburn> are the other pads any good?
11:19 < baudburn> i Heart my iPad
11:20 <@oddball> My mom got my brother-in-law a kindle for his birthday.  He's loved it so far.
11:20 <@oddball> baudburn: the ones Dolemite and I have played with would get their asses kicked by the iPad, but cost 1/5 the price of the low end iPad.
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11:21 <@Dolemite> Depends on what you want to do with them
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11:21 < baudburn> ahh
11:21 < baudburn> yeah, iPad isn't cheap..
11:21 <@Dolemite> You can use them as basic email/web/books on the go, and even terminal emulation
11:21 <@oddball> That said, they're very capable for what they are.
11:21 < baudburn> thats pretty cool
11:21 <@Dolemite> but they don't have 3g/4g
11:21 < baudburn> well, neighter do i
11:21 <@Dolemite> but yeah, $100 made it worthwhile
11:22 <@Dolemite> I even got Angry Birds working on it
11:22 <@oddball> I still prefer my Sony eBook reader for reading ebooks, but that's a dedicated device.
11:22 <@Dolemite> yeah, the display isn't readable outside in sunlight
11:23 <@oddball> Funny thing is, Naienko actually has said she'd rather have a Cruz than an iPad.  I think in large part due to the hacking possibilities.
11:23 <@Dolemite> but it's not like I read outside in direct sun, anywho.  It works great for reading in bed or the easy chair.
11:23 <@Dolemite> oddball : Give the nook color a serious look, now that it's hax0red.
11:23 <@Dolemite> It's definitely got better hardware specs than the Cruz and Pandigital
11:24 <@oddball> It should, isn't it $200-$250?
11:24 <@Dolemite> Yeah, $200
11:25 < baudburn> yeah.. im pretty much not interested in "hacking" devices these days.. no time to deal.. :P
11:25 < baudburn> my ps3 isn't even modded!
11:25 < baudburn> <-- old?
11:25 <@Dolemite> baudburn : More for the fact that you have an PS3 than it not being modded.
11:26 <@oddball> neither is my ps3, X-Box 360, or Wii.
11:26 < baudburn> ?
11:26 <@Dolemite> Everybody knows the kids these days like that 360 thing!
11:27 < baudburn> i only bought the ps3 for gran turismo
11:27 <@Dolemite> Is it not available on 360?
11:27 < baudburn> outside of that i dont much care :)
11:27 < baudburn> nope
11:27 < baudburn> ps3 exclusive
11:27 < baudburn> literally, i just got the ps3 because GT5 just came out :)
11:27 <@Dolemite> I have my softmodded Wii that I never get to play, anyway, because my son loves Lego Star Wars too much.
11:28 <@oddball> 'cause Lego Star Wars kicks ass.
11:28 <@Dolemite> baudburn : That's the most expensive game evah, then.
11:28 <@Dolemite> He has also finished Lego Indiana Jones and is working on Lego Batman
11:28 < baudburn> haha
11:28 < baudburn> yeah, it might be
11:28 <@Dolemite> Need to get him Lego HarryPotter
11:28 < baudburn> but ive been a GT fan for years
11:28 < baudburn> since GT2
11:29 < baudburn> on ps1
11:29 <@oddball> meh, I picked up a used PS3 for a couple exclusive titles (Little Big Planet for one) and to use as a blue ray player.
11:29 < baudburn> its netflix implementation is fantastic
11:29 <@Dolemite> I loved the PS1 and PS2, but I just think Sony did a nosedive with the PS3.  It just didn't have enough compelling reasons to get one - for me, at least.
11:30 < baudburn> i think ps3 is finally coming into its stride
11:30 < baudburn> i agree though, at launch it was totally weak
11:30 <@Dolemite> It's time for the PS4 to be announced, though
11:30 < baudburn> and the price really slaughtered it
11:30 < baudburn> not really
11:30 <@Dolemite> PS3 is Sony's Windows Vista
11:30 <@Dolemite> I'll wait for the next version.  heh.
11:30 < baudburn> the consoles generally are on a 10 year cycle
11:31 <@oddball> Well, I also bought the PS3 off of a buddy that needed cash...
11:31 < baudburn> so we've got around 5 years to a new xbox and ps3
11:31 <@Dolemite> oddball : Because after buying the PS3 he couldn't afford to buy games?
11:32 <@Dolemite> I thought consoles were more on a 5 year lifecycle.  I guess I haven't really paid enough attention to it.
11:32 < baudburn> i believe they're 10 year cycles
11:32 <@Dolemite> could be
11:32 <@Dolemite> just haven't really paid much attention
11:32 <@Evilpig> consoles are supposed to be 5yr
11:32 < baudburn> really?
11:32 <@Evilpig> but the cycle is being broken right now by all three 
11:33 <@opticron> MS just did a rework of the 360, so I'm thinking they're committed to that for a while longer
11:33 <@Evilpig> I dunno who roger is.  but I am glad he didn't show up to vandy today.  i'm eating his sammich
11:33 <@Dolemite> Evilpig : lol
11:33 < baudburn> http://www.grayhouse.com/2008/03/22/the-10-year-console-lifecycle/
11:33 < baudburn> dunno if its true or not
11:34 < baudburn> ps2 was apparently 7 years
11:38 < baudburn> man, this song crushs my soul
11:39 <@Evilpig> she came in carrying two boxes and I thought she was bringin us labels for the label maker.  then I saw it was a lunch box and I was even happier
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12:19 <@nachoguy> probably NSFW: http://i.imgur.com/R1aGT.jpg
12:20 < baudburn> i dont think i get it
12:21 <@nachoguy> I assume that there's some man love going on.  I just am not sure of the situation
12:21 < baudburn> heh
12:21 < baudburn> well, i got that much
12:22 <@nachoguy> well, the only english words I can read are "one day you'll thank us" "non-permanent" and "gay"
12:22 < baudburn> hahaha
12:22 <@nachoguy> they look pretty happy at the end though
12:24 <@Evilpig> i'll not click on that
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13:44 <@Dagmar> That is fuckin' gay.
13:47 <@Corydon76-home> Could also be a guide for prison sex that doesn't involve actual penetration...
13:48 < baudburn> hmm.. that is true.
13:48 <@Corydon76-home> Get your rocks off without getting your dick dirty
13:48 < baudburn> well.. still dirty :P
13:48 < baudburn> i dont imagine guys in prison keep *that* clean
13:49 <@Corydon76-home> Daily showers, same as everybody else?
13:49 < baudburn> maybe
13:49 < baudburn> also, hiya corydon
13:49 <@Corydon76-home> Hi, baudburn
13:50  * Corydon76-home is once again in the job market
13:50 < baudburn> oh?
13:50 < baudburn> sorry/congrats?
13:50 <@Corydon76-home> The first
13:50 < baudburn> doh..
13:51 < baudburn> well, if you want to move to dallas and learn objective-c i can probably get you a job here doing concert lighting :0
13:52 <@Corydon76-home> I have no problem learning objective C, though the move to Dallas might be problematic
13:52 < baudburn> i figured.. heh
13:53 < baudburn> also, looking for entry level, so i doubt they'd be willing to pay what you'd deserve
13:53 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, not so much
13:53 < baudburn> :)
13:54 <@Corydon76-home> Once I'm out of debt, I could probably take something lower, though
13:54 <@Corydon76-home> Only requires a six-figure signing bonus.  ;-)
13:54 < baudburn> haha
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15:24 < cerkit> I've found Object C to be just as boering as C++, C# and Java.
15:25 < cerkit> Everybody needs virtual machine underneath their code these days, go figure.
15:27 < cerkit> I'm waiting for Javascript and JSONP to complete it's take over of the development world.
15:27 < cerkit> With this (http://code.google.com/p/nativeclient/), it may not be long.
15:31 < baudburn> Obj-C is just C and Obj-C++ is just C++
15:31 < baudburn> its not virtualized
15:32 < baudburn> C# is
15:33 < cerkit> Java is virtualized
15:33 < cerkit> and I'm fairly sure I read Objective-C works in a way not unlike CLR in .net
15:34 < cerkit> with a virt under it, for vqarying architectures or something
15:34 <@nachoguy> Corydon, that sucks.  Sorry to hear it
15:34 < baudburn> cerkit: java is, and it sucks
15:34 < cerkit> where CLR in C#, is for varying lang implementations
15:34 < cerkit> using the same underlying functionality
15:35 < baudburn> cerkit: obj-c doesnt.. if your'e talking about the fact that obj-c code works on iphone and mac, thats because it cross compiles
15:35 < baudburn> but its native code, with supporting native libraries
15:35 < baudburn> and "shared objects" in the form of frameworks
15:35 < cerkit> baudburn: No, I wasn't, I thought I read somewhere it uses a common runtime, that relies on something like CLR, I could just as easily be wrong, so, it's cool.
15:36 < cerkit> CLR needs a VM
15:36 < baudburn> cerkit: i could be too, but i believe thats not true..
15:36 < cerkit> CLR would be the "framework"
15:36 < baudburn> right, but that is talkinga bout compiliing to an intermediary language
15:36 < baudburn> if im not mistaken
15:36 < cerkit> right
15:36 < baudburn> which is not the case with obj-c.. it's straight machine language
15:36 < cerkit> they all do THAT, through some virtualization
15:37 < cerkit> was my point
15:37 < cerkit> hmm, okay
15:37 < baudburn> output by gcc
15:37 < baudburn> though im curious if im wrong somehow..
15:37 < cerkit> Admittedly, that's where I have the least experience, ObjC
15:37 < baudburn> heh
15:37 < baudburn> i love love love obj-c myself
15:37 < cerkit> Really?
15:38 < cerkit> Why?
15:38 < cerkit> I hate Java.  Am not fond of how insanely rapid the framework has changed under C#, but like it over Java.
15:38 < cerkit> I never made anything... production grade...  in obj-c/
15:39 < cerkit> Just nonsense for my Touch.
15:40 < cerkit> from wikipedia-
15:40 < baudburn> back
15:40 < cerkit> Objective-C implementations use a thin runtime written in C, which adds little to the size of the application. In contrast, most object oriented systems at the time that it was created used large virtual machine runtimes. Programs written in Objective-C tend to be not much larger than the size of their code and that of the libraries (which generally do not need to be included in the software distribution),
15:40 < baudburn> huh.. ok well i stand correced
15:40 < baudburn> i was not aware of that..
15:41 < cerkit> It's the new "thing" heh
15:41 < baudburn> i guess because you can compile obj-c that has nothing but straight c in it
15:41 < baudburn> and it works fine
15:41 < baudburn> like
15:41 < baudburn> mv class.c class.m
15:41 < baudburn> gcc class.m
15:41 < baudburn> ./a.out
15:41 < baudburn> and it works
15:41 < cerkit> So, basically, you could reduce Java, C# and ObjC, to scripting languages designed for special virtual machines.
15:42 < cerkit> But, thats what gives them their "soft type" functionality on "hard types"
15:42 < cerkit> that... layer of glue
15:43 < cerkit> I'm not complaining :) They make my job easier in the end.
15:43 < baudburn> i suppose.. i think that goes a little bit far.. but i guess in the same way you could reduce trains planes and automobilies into "transportation"
15:43 < baudburn> heh
15:43 < cerkit> Just seems  a lot of fluff to call them separate languages.
15:43 < baudburn> yeah
15:44 < baudburn> mainly i love obj-c for teh same reason i like osx.. strange as that may sound
15:44 < baudburn> when i want it to be easy, its easy
15:44 < baudburn> when i need to get down and dirty
15:44 < baudburn> its just C
15:44 < baudburn> (or its just BSD)
15:44 < cerkit> yeah
15:44 < baudburn> i think they strike the perfect balance
15:45 < cerkit> C# (unlike Java) provides those same sorts of levels.
15:45 < baudburn> where i HATE java
15:45 < baudburn> andi know very little about C#
15:45 < baudburn> java and JS are terrible..
15:45 < baudburn> though no one can dispute the dominance of JS
15:45 < cerkit> C#, while bound to the Microsoft monkey, is a pretty good development space all in all.
15:45 < baudburn> java can suck it
15:46 < cerkit> 1.1, 2.0 framework stuff, is very straight forward, very unix c...  and very flexible.
15:46 < cerkit> after that though, it gets a bit crazy, as they've begun to put sql-like support (called LINQ) right in the code.
15:46 < cerkit> you can make objects, with... a kind of in-line sql.
15:47 < baudburn> yikes
15:47 < baudburn> im not a fan of magic
15:47 < cerkit> int[] numbers = { 5, 4, 1, 3, 9, 8, 6, 7, 2, 0 };
15:47 < cerkit>  
15:47 < cerkit>     var lowNums =
15:47 < cerkit>         from n in numbers
15:47 < cerkit>         where n < 5
15:47 < cerkit>         select n;
15:47 < cerkit> like that
15:47 < baudburn> i really dont like that about rails
15:47 < cerkit> you have to imagine... how many idiots have abused that
15:47 < baudburn> how everything is 100% based on magic
15:47 < cerkit> when you pick up a code base
15:48 < baudburn> heh
15:48 < cerkit> instead of creating a valid class, with valid methods purposed for a valid business process...
15:48 < cerkit> you get SQL monkey ninja-fu
15:48 < baudburn> yeah... yikes
15:48 < cerkit> not only in the data access layer
15:48 < cerkit> but
15:48 < cerkit> everywhere
15:48 < baudburn> well
15:48 < cerkit> so, post 2.0 framework, i'm pretty critical of c#
15:48 < baudburn> if they suck that much
15:48 < baudburn> they'll probalby not understand MVC anyway
15:49 < cerkit> it's a nice feature...
15:49 < cerkit> i guess.
15:49 <@Evilpig> anyone on the nashville2600 list?  tell me if you get a message shortly
15:49 < baudburn> well, you know what they say
15:49 < baudburn> with great flexibility comes, great failure
15:49 < cerkit> especially when you're in the data access layer code-  working on something that hits a data store...  because you dont have to go back to the store-- and if you want to treat the data relationally, you can even if its an LDAP, say
15:49 < baudburn> or something like that
15:50 < cerkit> but yeah
15:50 < cerkit> it's way over-and-miss used
15:52 < cerkit> oh well
15:52 < baudburn> heh
15:52 < cerkit> I guess I better commute my lazy ass.
15:52 < baudburn> have fun
15:52 < cerkit> be good everybodda
15:52 <@Evilpig> damnit.  it's moderated or something.
15:52 < baudburn> im trying to finsih some code
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16:53 <@Gerdesas> Evilpig: got the "Mailing list and stuff" posting a while ago.
16:58 <@Evilpig> good deal
17:05 <@Gerdesas> ...
17:05 <@Gerdesas> wow
17:05 <@Gerdesas> https://code.google.com/p/yum-security-check/
17:06 <@Gerdesas> that might just be some of the worst perl code I've ever had the misfortune to glance at.
17:11 <@Dagmar> HAH!
17:11 <@Dagmar> Yet another pot-shot at a horde player
17:14 <@Evilpig> nice link.  http://txt2re.com/index-php.php3
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18:47 < sdodson> how you guys doing?
18:47 < sdodson> Gerdesas: you loves RHEL6?!?! <3
18:49 <@Gerdesas> I've not touched EL6.
18:50 <@Gerdesas> Waiting on C6; and KB's got his head firmly up his ass again; no timeline on release.
18:50 < sdodson> it seems pretty clear they're nearing a RC
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18:51 <@Gerdesas> Not really. There is absolutely no transparency in the project whatsoever.
18:52 <@Gerdesas> They were supposed to do a compose last Tuesday, no idea where that is at. And, amusingly enough, other CentOS team members are in the dark about it as well, including the co-founder of the project itself.
18:53 <@Gerdesas> (That was not worded well, just to clarify, I'm not a team member)
18:54 < sdodson> I was reading the threads about what they were planning to do with ABRT
18:57 <@Gerdesas> Bah...
18:58 < sdodson> I'm surprised there was much debate, the tool was written to be highly plugable so it should have been any easy thing to take care of.
18:58 <@Gerdesas> I'd /dev/null the reports.  Upstream won't take direct ABRT reports, and C doesn't currently host a bz instance.
18:59 < sdodson> what would the harm be in enabling the bugzilla plugin and sending them upstream anyway?
19:00 <@Gerdesas> Integrity of the reports is my guess.  while C strives for 100% binary compliance down to the binary cksum; it's not a 100% guarantee.
19:01 <@Gerdesas> And while I've seen incredibly few C-only incidents that were not reflected in upstream, the chances of their being such is greater than 0.
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19:09 < sdodson> http://img.ffffound.com/static-data/assets/6/5f1685fdc6d82f3388f3e905be3b8cf01c61fd60_m.jpg
19:10 < pierut> it says ARR in the top right
19:10 < pierut> :D
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22:08 < daswork> I'm a god.
22:08 < daswork> With a bit of computer hackery, cable making, and perl, I've managed to recover files from an Apple IIc+.
22:09 < sdodson> Great, now you can restore that Oregon Trail saved game?
22:14 < daswork> I couldn't find the disk image.
22:14 < daswork> Seriously!
22:14 < daswork> I did find disk images for number munchers.
22:15 < daswork> In related news, multiples of 7 is hard.
22:16 < daswork> For some reason, I keep thinking 54 is a multiple.
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23:06 < daswork> So in other news, one of my clients got raided by the feds.
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