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10:39 <@oddball> Quick... everyone panic! Snow!
10:43 <@Corydon76-lap> Is school cancelled yet?
10:44 <@opticron> twice
11:33 <@Evilpig> damn snow.  that's gonna make my drive home hell.  and not from driving conditions
11:42 <@Corydon76-lap> It'll make driving home from Huntsville quite interesting, this evening.
11:52 < todd> snow? where?
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13:05 <+VampirePenguin> hey hey
13:06 <+VampirePenguin> hey Dagmar or is it Corydon76-home that has the super monster sized bunny? you're bunny is going international. I was taking with someone who has a rabbit or two and they were like I wonder what you feed a rabbit so large? LOL
13:06 <@Dagmar> It's Corydon
13:06 <@Dagmar> I figured you feed it little kids
13:06 <+VampirePenguin> is it
13:06 <+VampirePenguin> that was fast
13:06 <+VampirePenguin> lets feed it groping tsa guarde
13:06 <+VampirePenguin> s
13:07 <+VampirePenguin> thers plenty of those
13:08 <+VampirePenguin> She liked the bunny though. The ones I saw kinda looked like they had pinkish eyes, but I don't know if that was from the flash on the camera.
13:10 <@Dagmar> Camera flash
13:12 <+VampirePenguin> i kinda figured
13:13 <+VampirePenguin> these were definitley baby size bunnies compared to grandpa
13:35 <@Corydon76-lap> Flemish Giant rabbits
13:35 <@Corydon76-lap> It's just the breed, not the food
13:36 <@Corydon76-lap> and the food is just regular rabbit pellets (Purina Rabbit Chow), plus hay
13:37 <+VampirePenguin> hi Corydon76-home
13:37 <+VampirePenguin> is it really the breed?
13:38 <+VampirePenguin> i thought it was just an exceptional size... not too often type deal.
13:38 <+VampirePenguin> this person loves it... it makes hers look like mouse toys
13:38 <+VampirePenguin> say hello to peaches too
13:46 <@Corydon76-lap> No, I'm lying.  Actually, I'm exposing it to radioactive isotypes, so that it not only grows large, but it conspires to take over the world.
13:49 <+VampirePenguin> lol
13:49 <+VampirePenguin> there we go.. conspiracy theories are so much more fun
13:52 < cerkit> Dagmar: Another flash crash, for your record books.
13:52 < cerkit> Dagmar: In the aftermarket action, during the shortened trading day before Thanksgiving.
13:53 < cerkit> ( Just more proof it's a flaw in the system, rather then someone regularly, purposefully gaming the market )
13:57 <@Dagmar> If someone can do it, they can find a way to make a profit from doing it.
13:58 <@Dagmar> ...and if it can happen on it's own, it can be made to happen
13:58 < cerkit> I'm not debating the possibility of it being done on purpose.
13:58 < cerkit> Just the likelihood.
13:59 < cerkit> It's not very likely.
13:59 < cerkit> Imagine a bank, sitting on a corner, that 100,000s of people go and in out.  In that bank, there are 3 lines.  1 of the lines, let's you withdrawl money for free, but it's a secret.
14:00 < cerkit> How long do you think that secret would last?
14:00 < cerkit> This "secret method" to "making it happen"?
14:00 <@Dagmar> Depends on whether or not the line requires you speak latin
14:00 < cerkit> Not in finance it doesn't.
14:01 < cerkit> Because everyone... and I mean everyone in that industry... speaks money.
14:01 < cerkit> You couldn't have one group getting away with somthing like thsat, without paying off many, many other groups to allow it to continue.
14:01 < cerkit> All of it can be monitored, publicly, mind you.
14:02 < cerkit> And this is why I think it's more of it a "fuck, we have no idea how to manage a real time market" thing, with all the power and the limit to power our various participants have, then a "hahaha, we found a way to pwn your market!" thing
14:04 <@Dagmar> All of EFnet was publicly monitored.
14:04 < cerkit> The other reason is, the SEC would shut the market down, if all these flash crashes were intentional.  They'd have to-  there would be pension funds, individual investors, hedge funds, S&L banks, regional banks and even money center banks, that would not want it going on.
14:04 <@Dagmar> It didnt' stop us from finding new ways to lock down channels.
14:05 < cerkit> Dagmar: This is true,  but we were taking MONEY from people in a direct transaction.
14:05 < cerkit> That tends to keep people focused.
14:05 < cerkit> heh
14:05 < cerkit> weren't*
14:05 <@Dagmar> I think with the new "Candy Ass" metrics of "We must not hinder investor confidence" they would never, ever admit that someone's figured out how to smack the market and make it wobble
14:05 < cerkit> We're not in that world any more, that's so 2007.
14:06 < cerkit> We're in 2010-  where the Fed creates confidence out of thin air, and none of that matters.
14:06 < cerkit> If any of that actually mattered, the volume decline on the NYSE would be in the paper.
14:06 <@Dagmar> So, all those unemployed-black-man-in-a-string-vest funds were really worth some money then?
14:07 < cerkit> You're confusing what I'm saying.
14:07 < cerkit> I'm not defending those valueless assets.
14:07 < cerkit> Or the Fed, for that matter.
14:07 <@Dagmar> No I get what you're saying.  I just think that industry is fueled to a large degree by the same thing that keeps people playing nickel slots.
14:07 < cerkit> I'm simpyl saying, we're way off the rails, and all those actual, fundemental measures, haven't mattered in 2 years.
14:08 <@Dagmar> THey're convinced there's always money to be had if they keep banging at it
14:08 < cerkit> An I agree 100% with that.
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14:08 <@Dagmar> ...and they spend a lot of time talking to each other about how much money there is in there.
14:08 < cerkit> Which is why I think its more a case of a broken slot machine
14:08 <@Dagmar> At the moment i'm more concerned about the wikileaks issue
14:08 < cerkit> When people don't care-  or have no real interest in the market...  except as a casino
14:09 < cerkit> This is what you get.
14:09 <@Dagmar> If the people who stand to merely be embarrassed keep acting out to larger and larger degrees, Julian is going to wind up unlocking that insurance file
14:09 < cerkit> I'm not sure what to say about Wikileaks, other then, since all of that happened, I've been learning a lot about the people I called "friends."
14:10 <@Dagmar> THEN all this bullshit about "people could be killed" will acutally happen
14:10 < cerkit> I was really shocked as most of the people I'm close to, are in the "wikileaks is evil" camp
14:10 <@Dagmar> They're not looking at what's being leaked.
14:10 <@Dagmar> They've been really, _really_ thorough about purging actually dangerous data
14:10 < cerkit> These people?
14:10 <@Dagmar> er the Wikileaks people
14:10 < cerkit> Oh ok.
14:11 < cerkit> I wouldn't actually care if they weren't careful.
14:11 <@Dagmar> The folks who've decided wikileaks is evil aren't actually looking at these cables and reports
14:11 < cerkit> I'm pretty extreme with my "free information" position
14:11 <@Dagmar> All of the cables that were leaked?  ~240 cables so far.
14:11 <@Dagmar> All of it filable under "petty gossip"
14:11 < cerkit> That includes "sensitive" or "secret" military intel.
14:11 <@Dagmar> Yet the reaction is about on par with having released naughty photos of the queen's underpants
14:11 < cerkit> I don't believe in "secrets"
14:12 <@Dagmar> Some of the _military_ stuff has been really disappointing, but that's about as far as that went
14:12 < cerkit> And I really don't believe in administrative methodologies that rely on a hierarchy of secrets.
14:12 < cerkit> So, the whole thing could come tumbling down, if I had it my way.
14:12 <@Dagmar> That our military _knew_ that those three hikers "in Iran" were actually snatched up while they were in Iraq, and _no one_ from that sector said a damn thing about it?
14:12 <@Dagmar> Sheesh
14:12 <@Dagmar> We should have been taking an entirely different stance on that
14:13 < cerkit> Dagmar: http://www.zerohedge.com/article/presenting-reason-thanksgiving-after-hours-melt-down-another-electronic-glitch
14:13 <@Dagmar> Should have been more like "Whatever.  So your guys crossed the border.  We've enough on our plates to not be worrying about that"
14:13 < cerkit> incase you're interested
14:13 <@Dagmar> "Give us those kids back"
14:13 < cerkit> I'd have half a mind to leave them.
14:14 < cerkit> Who the hell goes "hiking" out there?
14:14 < cerkit> (US citizens, I mean)
14:14 <@Dagmar> People who like hills?
14:14 < cerkit> THERE?
14:14 < cerkit> They couldn't go to the Appliacians?
14:14 <@Dagmar> Dude, when I was in grade school I had to write a letter to a foriegn embassy asking for information about their country
14:14 < cerkit> Or Yellowstone?
14:14 <@Dagmar> I got "Iraq" out of the hat
14:15 <@Dagmar> From what they sent me you'd think the whole place was rolling hills and pretty vistas
14:15 < cerkit> I'm pretty sure if I picked "Iraq" out of the "Hiking Hat" I'd just say no.
14:15 < cerkit> So.
14:15 <@Dagmar> NOW you would
14:15 < cerkit> No.
14:15 <@Dagmar> When you're eight years old is another matter.
14:15 < cerkit> I've always been a  "stay at home" guy
14:15 < cerkit> I don't go out of my way to be in someone elses place.
14:16 < cerkit> Just something you learn in an urban environment-
14:16 < cerkit> certain borders/boundaries make sense
14:16 < cerkit> And hiking... not the kind of thing to re-order my priorities.
14:16 < cerkit> But, at any rate, I'm on the totally open side.
14:17 <@Dagmar> No one ever said college kids had street sense
14:17 < cerkit> I don't care if they release details with actual live intel in them.
14:17 <@Dagmar> The thign that more upsets me about the wikileaks thing is that the supposedly _law and order_ crowd are crossing the line regularly on it
14:17 < cerkit> I subscribe to the "Many Eyes" principle, made popular by Linus Torvalds.
14:18 <@Dagmar> Officials from Canada mouthing off that Assange should be _assassinated_, for one thing
14:18 <@Dagmar> Palin hollering that he should be hunted like the Taliban...
14:18 < cerkit> Apparently, also called "The Linus Law"
14:18 <@opticron> meh, they just don't like that their dirty laundry has been forcibly aired for the world to see
14:18 <@Dagmar> It's interesting that they snatched up the guy going hog-wild with the DDoS, but _somehow_ that was local police that grabbed him?
14:19 <@Dagmar> They're breaking their own rules just to save face
14:19 < cerkit> opticron: *nod*
14:19 < cerkit> Dagmar: Yeah, they are.
14:19 <@opticron> and that's not acceptable
14:19 <@Dagmar> Exactly.
14:19 < cerkit> But then, those rules only existed because they served those people's interests at that time.
14:20 < cerkit> I mean, did anyone really think "the rules" would save a site like Wikileaks?
14:20 <@Dagmar> With the level of corruption at the state that it is, this seems like a viable method for finding out just how much corruption is going on
14:20 < cerkit> That free speech would somehow overcome ignorance?
14:20 <@opticron> I knew it could only last so long
14:20 < cerkit> I guess I'm just too cynical to buy that.
14:20 <@opticron> until they hit something BIG
14:20 <@Dagmar> cerkit: The problem become then _what will the actual good guys have to do to keep from being demolished by it_
14:21 <@Dagmar> THe insurance file is definietly out there
14:21 <@opticron> i'm angry that the wikileaks domain got pulled so easily
14:21 < cerkit> Dagmar: This line of thinking assumes a) there are good guys, and b) they'll survive in the end
14:21 <@Dagmar> ...and if they pop Assange, that key will probably be on torrent networks within minutes
14:21 < cerkit> Dagmar: I don't think either is true.
14:21 <@Dagmar> What?  That the insurance file is out there?
14:21 <@Dagmar> I have a copy.
14:22 < cerkit> "good guys" are just another set of people, with another set of interests.
14:22 <@Dagmar> It's a mexican standoff at this point.
14:22 <@Dagmar> That's fuckign horrible.
14:22 < cerkit> I'll mirror the site.
14:22 < cerkit> That's about the best way I can "fight"
14:23 < cerkit> http://46.59.1.2/mass-mirror.html
14:23 <@Dagmar> Yep.  You and me and about a hundred thousand other people are thinking the same thing there.
14:23 < cerkit> ^^^^ mirroring instructions
14:23 < cerkit> official...
14:23 < cerkit> mirroring instructions
14:23 <@Dagmar> It's not something that can reasonably be squelched without basically taking down the internet
14:23 < cerkit> ( also, Razor 1911, the Warez group, has a torrent they want to keep seeded )
14:24 <@Dagmar> Yeah the warez kids _alone_ could move a gigabyte of data around without blinking
14:24 <@opticron> it'll be interesting to see the gov't's eventual reaction to the mirroring
14:24 < cerkit> I think my point in all this is, when I discuss it with people: if it takes so little effort to produce and protect the truth ( a couple of hacker groups and a wiki ), and so much to protect against it...  why is there even a debate as to who's doing the right thing?
14:24 <@opticron> either they'll give up and say fuck it, or they'll actually start trying to dismantle the parts of the internet they have access to
14:25 <@Dagmar> That latter thing is worrisome
14:25 < cerkit> If they try and squash the mirrors, that'll be a horrible failure.
14:25 <@Dagmar> People freak the fuck out when Facebook goes down for 10 minutes
14:25 <@opticron> ICANN pisses me off
14:25 < cerkit> And if they do anything to broad internet access, the world wide wifi network, will begin
14:25 < cerkit> "darknet"
14:25 <@opticron> yes
14:25 <@opticron> I am all for that
14:25 <@Dagmar> If they start pulling strings at the TLD level... shit will get ugly in a lot of sectors
14:26 < cerkit> Dagmar: Making a new "internet" today, would be a shit load easier.
14:26 < cerkit> So, let them do their worst.
14:26 <@opticron> I doubt that the wikileaks domain was pulled legally
14:26 <@Dagmar> I'm sure it wasn't
14:26 < cerkit> Dagmar: They can't take from us, what we can recreate in moments.
14:27 <@Dagmar> Yeah but the shitstorm of pushing back and forth will have collateral damage
14:27 < cerkit> Dagmar: Things would be different, sure-  but, I don't think the Internet, can die, at least not that way.
14:27 <@Dagmar> It won't die, but how many businesses are absolutely _dependent_ upon the internet right now?
14:27 < cerkit> Too many vested parties, both in business, acadamia, and individually
14:27 <@opticron> Dagmar, that's in the favor of the people (i hope), the big corporations won't stand for it
14:27 < cerkit> Dagmar: Innovate... or die.
14:27 < cerkit> Dagmar: That's how it would go.
14:28 <@Dagmar> Backbones going down, or being overloaded in ham-handed attempts to block communications... That's going to have an effect beyond just WIkileaks
14:28 < cerkit> Much like all the businesses that never went digital... 10 years ago.
14:28 <@opticron> this next few months will be fun :)
14:28 < cerkit> And with the infrastructure that exists today, the processing power, the cheapness of resources, and the robustness of today's software..
14:29 < cerkit> Rebuilding a darknet would be cake.
14:29 < cerkit> None of it worries me.
14:30 < cerkit> This is the basic war that was bound to happen in my life time, and I knew it in the mid 90s.
14:30 < cerkit> Privacy vs. Technology
14:30 < cerkit> Be it, government/business/personal privacy
14:31 < cerkit> Those two things were bound to clash.
14:31 <@NotLarry> anyone here have any experience with looping (music)?
14:32 <@Dagmar> Maybe
14:32 <@opticron> the extent of my knowledge is fruityloops and only secondhand
14:32 <@NotLarry> Ah, of course
14:32 <@Dagmar> You should ask quickly.  Cata comes tonight
14:32 <@Dagmar> :)
14:32 < cerkit> I feel like such a big kid.
14:33 <@Dagmar> I have a freezer full of hot pockets and a cabinet full of canned goods.
14:33 < cerkit> Dagmar: I started playing EQ again.
14:33 <@Dagmar> I'm working up the laundry cycle now
14:33 <@Dagmar> cerkit: You sir, are a true masochist
14:33 < cerkit> Dagmar: ahaha, why?
14:33 <@Dagmar> Because EverQuest revolves around pain
14:33 <@NotLarry> I'm thinking of starting back up. Got to come up with the $ for the new expansion.  Maybe xmas
14:33 < cerkit> I never felt that way, haha.
14:34 < cerkit> Dagmar: I always looked at it more like people who build models.  I build my character.
14:34 <@Dagmar> Like, since then, Blizzard has been refining that coke into something more like spun cotton candy than the barbed wire and handcuffs EQ used
14:34 < cerkit> It's slow... it requires vision... planning and patience...
14:34 <@Dagmar> if the Armory was working I'd show you my character
14:34 < cerkit> but it's just a hobby like that.
14:34 <@Dagmar> Thank god they simplified stats a bit
14:34 < cerkit> *shrug*
14:34 < cerkit> I have fun.
14:34 < cerkit> I never feel handcuffed.
14:35 <@Dagmar> I was having to use a giant bloody .NET program just to figure out whether or not two pieces of gear were equivalent or which one was better.
14:35 < cerkit> But, being this old, playing an MMORPG half the day Saturday, in my bathrobe... I felt a little... I don't know.
14:35 <@sasquatc4> NotLarry: depends on what you need, i use ableton alot, but if your talking about loopers for guitars and what not, then no, but software yes
14:35 < cerkit> Uber-nerdy...
14:35 <@Dagmar> So in the last few days I've played more WoW just runnign around gawking than I have in the last month
14:35 < cerkit> Dagmar: Yeah, I don't get into parsing...
14:36 < cerkit> I've never touched WoW.
14:36 <@Dagmar> ...although that's mainly because I've got my toons at 80 and the only thing to really do was collect more shiny
14:36 < cerkit> I'm 80 in EQ.
14:36 < cerkit> My character is a bad ass too.
14:36 <@Dagmar> I'm soloing instances.
14:37 <@Dagmar> Stuff meant for a group of five people.
14:37 < cerkit> I'm 2nd best necro on my server, 140th in the world.
14:37 < cerkit> Me too.
14:37 <@Dagmar> The mobs in Cataclysm better bring their A-game or I'll have that shit pillaged by sunrise
14:37 < cerkit> I have to get people to help me start instances all the time.
14:38 < cerkit> Dagmar: They've added ALOT to EQ.
14:38 <@Dagmar> I was trying to level my new pets some last night
14:38 < cerkit> For instance, I have a house.
14:38 <@Dagmar> cerkit: Yeah I've messed with that in EQII
14:38 < cerkit> And real estate.
14:38 <@Dagmar> I find it amusing that when they went F2P the default starter house became twice as large as when I was paying
14:38 <@Dagmar> Not complaining, mind you
14:38 < cerkit> And the AAs...  (alternative abilities) you have now...
14:38 < cerkit> are nuts!
14:39 <@NotLarry> Yeah, I got an ec-50 and a GT-8.  The learning curve is high, but I think I'm starting to get it.
14:39 < cerkit> When fire off all my swarm AAs, I have 17 pets under my control at once.
14:39 <@Dagmar> Hehe sounds like Champions Online
14:39 <@Dagmar> I was messing with that for a couple of months
14:40 <@Dagmar> There's what amounts to a bot-master class.
14:40 < cerkit> Dagmar: Necromancers get two lines of swarm, and already have a pet.
14:40 <@Dagmar> I'd see some guys around the corner, and literally "phone it in"
14:40 <@Dagmar> Swarms of robots would tear-ass in, and then an orbital death laser would come down and immolate everything that wasn't a boss
14:40 < cerkit> I can raise corpses, all of them nearby, under my control, with one AA.
14:40 <@Dagmar> You'd like this DeathKnight ability then
14:41 < cerkit> Then, raise a bunch of skelly's
14:41 < cerkit> as a second one
14:41 <@Dagmar> Mash a button and ten ghouls come up out of the floor and act like it's a bar fight
14:41 <@Dagmar> Strictly on the RP tip I've got a hook to make my toon holler "GET 'EM BOYS!" when that goes off
14:41 < cerkit> That's just one set of abilities, and it's not special to necros...
14:41 < cerkit> Mages get much better pet related swarms, etc
14:42 < cerkit> Mine are considered "gimp"
14:42 < cerkit> as a necro
14:42 <@Dagmar> Wizards probably still get a button to let them be beaten with sticks
14:42 <@Dagmar> I'm still pissy about that shit
14:42 <@Dagmar> Luclin was just _wrong_
14:42 < cerkit> It's cool, man.
14:42 < cerkit> I have lots of fun.
14:43 <@Dagmar> I've got to turn down spell effects in WoW at times just so I can see
14:43 <@Dagmar> Heheh
14:43 < cerkit> I'm level 80, with almost 500 alternative ability points.
14:43 < cerkit> I can do all kinds of crazy shit.
14:43 <@Dagmar> The only thing I miss from EQ is the trains.
14:44 <@Dagmar> ...just because if you weren't looking at one bearing down on you, they were fucking hilarious
14:44 <@Dagmar> ...and sometimes, even when they _were_ bearing down on you they were hilarious
14:44 <@Dagmar> Spin aroudn and have just enough time to type "/me gulps."
14:44 < cerkit> I guess I take it a lot less seriously then you do.
14:45 <@Dagmar> I don't take it seriously at all.
14:45 < cerkit> But, keep in mind, I'm ususally sitting there on my laptop in one hand, and illegal drugs in the other.
14:45 <@Dagmar> Blizz just seems to have licked the problem of excessively elitist players
14:46 <@Dagmar> Everyone's got enough ability overlap so that generally if you have one or two random assholes who have no idea what they're doing, one or two skilled people can compensate for it
14:46 <@Dagmar> I prefer my hunter because his job isn't to tank, it's to keep shit rolling smoothly.
14:46 <@Dagmar> I'm the second line of defense, between the healer and the tank
14:46 <@NotLarry> which is exactly what makes it so I can play.
14:46 <@Dagmar> hahahah
14:47 <@Dagmar> NotLarry: I actually saw McGreg in a pug group last month
14:47 <@Dagmar> Apparently the guy is semi-legendary.
14:47 <@Dagmar> Not that I was amused to see him, but still.
14:48 <@Dagmar> it takes a special kind of person to take a class that is primarily ranged-DPS and do instance after instance just meleeing without getting run out of town on a rail
14:48 < cerkit> So, you're a ranger?
14:48 < cerkit> basically?
14:49 <@NotLarry> I'm gonna try to score cat over the holidays and start playing in the new year.  Maybe we can get a new schedule that will make it so I don't have to try to raid at noon.
14:49 <@Dagmar> I was like, "WTF, his cat is doing more DPS than he is?  Just look at this guy?!?!?"
14:49 <@Dagmar> cerkit: Something like that, but rangers aren't often accompanied by 600 lbs of angry gorilla
14:49 < cerkit> NotLarry: You played EQ?
14:49 <@Dagmar> ...and we got converted a bit towards Pokemon Trainer status recently.
14:49 <@Dagmar> SIXTEEN different pets
14:50 <@Dagmar> ...and in holding with the Pokemon bit, I can have four (soon to be five) in my pocket, ready to go
14:50 <@NotLarry> no, was busy with various incarnations of quake.
14:50 < cerkit> I have a zombie pet.  He lifetaps, stuns, backstabs, dual weilds, with quad attacks, has "attack flurry"'s from an AA, and critical hits, from an AA.
14:50 <@Dagmar> cerkit: NotLarry would not have tolerated EQ
14:50 <@NotLarry> I only started WoW cause my kids started me on it, then they quit and went on to CoH and Eve.
14:51 < cerkit> Dagmar: I kite shit with like 300K HPs.
14:51 <@NotLarry> And I suck so bad at Wow that my friends (neither of them) will play with me.
14:51 < cerkit> Multi-kites, usually.
14:51 <@Dagmar> I murder stuff like that face to face
14:51 <@Dagmar> Zombie Chow.  :)
14:51 < cerkit> Dagmar: I'm a caster.
14:51 < cerkit> I only have 3200 AC
14:51 <@Dagmar> I'm no longer a caster.  ;)
14:51 <@Dagmar> Now Hunters use Focus instead of Int and Mana.
14:51 < cerkit> I hate melee classes.
14:51 <@Dagmar> ...which has definitely made me have to pay attention again
14:51 < cerkit> It's like POV porno.
14:52 <@Dagmar> Ugh yea I dont' miss first person view much
14:52 < cerkit> Sitting there, watching my guy jerk around...
14:52 < cerkit> and WoW would just piss me off, because I COULDNT 1st person view.
14:52 <@Dagmar> You can.
14:52 <@NotLarry> of course, right now I'm busy with minecraft
14:52 < cerkit> I like 1st person.
14:52 <@NotLarry> and the kids have got me playing tf2
14:53 <@Dagmar> You just _really_ want a more birds' eye view so you can have a better tactical grasp
14:53 < cerkit> Dagmar: That's prolly why I wouldn't like it.
14:53 <@Dagmar> There's a few fights in WoW that I have actually gotten sudden eye strain attacks from having to see a full 360 sweep at once
14:53 < cerkit> I like the individualism... the fact that I'm seeing things from mycharacter's perspective..
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14:54 <@Dagmar> Oh this is all from my toon's perspective, but he's a dward
14:54 <@Dagmar> er dwarf.
14:54 < cerkit> No, but, that, world view, which EQ has too
14:54 <@Dagmar> If my camera weren't several feet above his head, I'd get roflstomped on a regular basis
14:54 < cerkit> that zoomed out view
14:54 < cerkit> I couldn't live like that.
14:54 <@Dagmar> The gnomes would be well and truly fucked.
14:55 < cerkit> *shrug* I like EQ.
14:55 <@Dagmar> They're even shorter than EQ gnome were, and a gnome warrior in EQ was like "Belt Buckle World"
14:55 < cerkit> They've changed a lot of the nonsense timesinks, completely removed them.
14:55 <@Dagmar> So no more cleric 24-hour epic camps?
14:55 < cerkit> Or, empowered players to make them less problematic.
14:56 <@Dagmar> The time-sinks Blizzard has are in there for the masochists
14:56 < cerkit> For instance...
14:56 < cerkit> EQ, death
14:56 < cerkit> You used to die, your body sat there, where-ever, pain in the ass place...
14:56 <@Dagmar> OKay yeah I can't say I'd mind a little XP loss
14:56 <@Dagmar> The gear being left behind tho... sheesh
14:56 < cerkit> You had to loot your shit... and get a ressurection somehow...
14:56 < cerkit> Now...
14:57 < cerkit> There is a zone, called Guild Lobby, where you can enter a personalized hall for your guild...
14:57 < cerkit> and in that zone, are NPCs that will summon your body
14:57 <@Dagmar> In WoW if your'e stupid, you'd better pick up a profession, or the repair bills on your gear will pwn you
14:57 <@Dagmar> My deathknight is fuckin' broke
14:57 < cerkit> And now..  you can hire mercenaries...
14:57 < cerkit> which act like secondary pets...
14:57 <@Dagmar> ...although that's mainly due to my problematic relationship with cliffs.
14:57 < cerkit> the cleric merc... buffs & rez's
14:58 <@Dagmar> Yeah Blizz has avoided the need for hirelings, thankfully
14:58 < cerkit> I like them.
14:58 <@Dagmar> Most of the games i"ve seen that you can spend your way into trivializing combat
14:58 < cerkit> People can be annoying.
14:58 <@Dagmar> Yeah but in WoW you can just find another four noobs to run with in about 10-11 minutes
14:58 < cerkit> Sometimes I just need a particular class, and the "right real person" isn't around.
14:59 < cerkit> Now I can buy help.
14:59 <@Dagmar> ...so if the first set turns out to be yellow-helmet wearing special school students, you can always queue for a new set of potential non-idiots
14:59 < cerkit> Yeah, but THAT, is timesink
14:59 <@Dagmar> Not really.
14:59 < cerkit> socialization-based timesink
14:59 < cerkit> sure it is
14:59 < cerkit> I have to play trial & error until I find a good group
14:59 < cerkit> Why do that?
14:59 < cerkit> I can build one.
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14:59 <@Dagmar> 10 minutes is just long enoguh to take a whiz, go get a soda, _repair your gear_, run the errands you generally gotta do
15:00 <@Dagmar> Why do that?  Because five clued people can just r*pe content.
15:00 < cerkit> *shrug*  I don't have those issues.
15:00 < cerkit> You make it out like five "clued people" are a buttonm you press.
15:00 <@Dagmar> Running with my guild people, we're like the Flying Karamazovs
15:01 < cerkit> You had to make a Dostoyevsky reference eh?
15:01 < cerkit> Especially my favorite one...
15:01 <@Dagmar> cerkit: Generally it only takes 2-3 tries at it to find a group who shares the same interests in looting and pillaging.  :)
15:01 < cerkit> heh
15:01 < cerkit> There's a lot to do in EQ.
15:01 <@Dagmar> No seriously tho.  We've done a whole lot of 4-man runs where the fifth guy we just pulled from the LFD queue
15:02 < cerkit> Groups are fragmented, having all the people you need for something, at the moment you want, isn't as easy, not because people don't exist... but because they're busy with their own quest lines.
15:02 <@Dagmar> ...and that person generally starts asking a lot of questions when things go horribly wrong, we go dead silent, and just start kicking holy ass
15:02 <@Dagmar> Ah yeah they made that bit easier with this expansion
15:02 < cerkit> There's a whole system for finding people.
15:02 < cerkit> So, it's not like it's hard.
15:02 <@Dagmar> Now, instead of ranging all over the countryside looking for people who have quests for a given location, most of them are right there on-site like they shold have been
15:03 < cerkit> But, you can consume time, or worse, opportunity, waiting for "the right group" -- I like that they realized that, and offered the option up, of Mercenaries.
15:03 <@Dagmar> Old Molly Stonepolisher is no longer hanging around a capital city somewhere moaning about her lost pumpkin.
15:03 < cerkit> And there are all kinds of quests, etc for Mercenary progression... and special mercenaries...
15:03 < cerkit> so, it adds to the overall content
15:03 <@Dagmar> She's right there at the door to the cave going "THOSE FUCKERS TOOK MY SHIT!  GET IT BACK AND I'LL PAY YA"
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15:03 < cerkit> How many zones is WoW?
15:04 < cerkit> They gotta be getting close to EQ.
15:04 <@Dagmar> One big-ass zone with a fuckton of areas
15:04 < cerkit> The thing is, EQ is huge.  So people are all over.
15:04 <@Dagmar> WoW is fucking monstrous
15:04 < cerkit> so, how many areas?
15:04 < cerkit> lets say an area == a zone
15:04 < cerkit> ( even tho it prolly doesn't )
15:04 < cerkit> i'm just trying to get a ruff idea.
15:04 <@Dagmar> Four continents now...
15:05 < cerkit> Everquest is in the 1000s of zones.
15:05 < cerkit> You can go to Void, through the Plane of Time, and go back to all the original content
15:06 < cerkit> or, go back into history
15:06 < cerkit> see the zone in different times
15:06 <@Dagmar> Done that
15:06 <@Dagmar> I've seen Maeiv bring the first orcs over from Draenor
15:06 < cerkit> yeah
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15:06 <@Dagmar> ...run with Thrall when he lost his temper about being backstabbed by both the Horde and the Alliance
15:06 < cerkit> thats 2 expansions ago, I think
15:06 < cerkit> shows how out of it I am.
15:06 <@Dagmar> Personally seen to it that Stratholme was purged.
15:07 <@Dagmar> Got a nice rideable dragon from there, too.  :)
15:07 < cerkit> But, it's fun.
15:07 < cerkit> I'm ridiculously powerful now.
15:07 < cerkit> So I can just walk the earth like Kane in Kung-fu.
15:07 <@Dagmar> Blizz clued in on that one
15:07 <@Dagmar> Everyone's a little OP by default
15:07 <@Dagmar> BY the time you hit max level, you're working on becoming a raid boss
15:08 <@Dagmar> ...although in a few cases of poor balance, you'd actually _become_ a raid boss
15:08 < cerkit> yeah, they have all that too
15:08 < cerkit> group/raid exp...
15:08 <@Dagmar> There was a PvP battleground that tried to balance the number of warm bodies with a buff called "Tenacity"
15:09 <@Dagmar> In the middle of the night, if no one much showed up on the other side, you'd see _four_ guys just running around one-shotting entire groups of people.
15:09 < cerkit> PVP is probably the one place EQ has really not made up much ground.
15:09 <@Dagmar> Like, each one capable of one-shotting you, your three nearest guys, and the tank you were riding in
15:09 <@Dagmar> That got scaled back pretty quick
15:09 < cerkit> But then, I haven't played on the PVP server
15:09 < cerkit> So, maybe it's gotten better.
15:10 <@Dagmar> PvP & PvE balance is a bitch
15:10 <@Dagmar> Even Blizz had to band-aid that with "resilience"
15:10 < cerkit> I know I used to sit in Bazaar arena, on this Necro, all-balls challenging anyone, haha.
15:10 <@Dagmar> Strictly a stat that only affected attacks against other players
15:10 < cerkit> Now, I'd get mopped up.
15:10 <@Dagmar> ...but never did they succumb to whineplay about "but wizards can almost one-shot me!"
15:11 < cerkit> Yeah, EQs had its share of problems, but Wizards really do eat a lot of it.
15:11 <@Dagmar> I've hit some times in battleground where I was blazing away on some tank who barely seemed to notice
15:11 < cerkit> Luclin/Mana Burn/etc etc etc
15:11 <@Dagmar> ...just because that guy played BG's until he had resilience coming out of his ears.
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15:11 < cerkit> Fortunately, my class has always been built to exactly the way I like to play.
15:11 <@Dagmar> Broken, at that point
15:12 <@Dagmar> I like my monkey.
15:12 <@Dagmar> He eats paladins.  :)
15:12 < cerkit> I like to be solo.
15:12 < cerkit> I like to be able to kill piles and piles-  like an army of guys at once.
15:12 <@Dagmar> he could probably kill me on some days
15:12 <@Dagmar> Yeah, that they took away from hunters a _little_ bit
15:12 < cerkit> And, I like to be self-sufficient in all the other ways.
15:13 <@Dagmar> They erred slightly at the release of Wrath of the Lich King and took the rubber nipples off an AoE spell hunters had
15:13 < cerkit> And with the necro class, that's pretty much how I'm setup.
15:13 < cerkit> Got a pet for crowd control, tanking.  Got ridiculius DoTs...  control undead, all the basic pure caster stuff...
15:13 <@Dagmar> Beastmaster hunters would roam around the countryside using a gorilla with an AoE called Thunderstomp, and just firing off Volley, and wiping out entire villages at a go
15:13 < cerkit> And the AA abilities are really nuts.
15:14 <@Dagmar> When an NPC asked you to kill fifteen dickwolves, your first attempt was generally to try to get fifteen of them all in one place so you could kill them all at once.
15:14 <@Dagmar> Shitloads of BM hunters hit max level first.  :)
15:14 < cerkit> Yeah, I used to do that way back on my old Dr00d.
15:14 < cerkit> AoE mass kills
15:14 <@Dagmar> Somehow I always seem to wind up with the class capable of genocide.
15:15 <@Dagmar> My gf was getting pissy about that because she played a mage, and they were generally supposed to be the masters of AoE
15:15 <@Dagmar> It was so over the top that they nerfed that AoE hunters had by _30%_ (in a game that usually makes single-digit changes) and it didn't really slow us down much
15:15 < cerkit> how many hit points does an 80 hunter have?
15:16 <@Dagmar> SO... just twelve dickwolves instead of fifteen.
15:16 <@Dagmar> Mine, like 28,000
15:16 <@Dagmar> My pet, slightly more or less depending on buffs.
15:16 <@NotLarry> ok, night all
15:16 <@Dagmar> A higher armor rating than most plate-wearing paladins, too.
15:16 <@Dagmar> The hunter tanking pet is definitely meant to be a disposable tank at the present time
15:16 <@Dagmar> He can just get snuffed by critical hits pretty fast.
15:17 <@Dagmar> Actual paladins get talents and stats to prevent that, otherwise i'd be soloing _all_ the instances
15:21 <@Dagmar> THis has not yet been updated with the Cataclysm changes, but it covers the size of Azeroth pretty well (although what's left of Draenor isn't there) http://mapwow.com/
15:29 < cerkit> yeah
15:29 < cerkit> so, your hunter has the same HPs as my necro, heh
15:30 < cerkit> of course, how their applied relevant to game dynamics is totally different
15:30 < cerkit> i was just curious to see what lvl 80 meant to hip points in WoW
15:30 <@Dagmar> Yeah and from that I'm handing out ~5000 dps in the toughest instances
15:31 <@Dagmar> "normal" mobs my level have an expected lifespan of about two and a half seconds.
15:31 <@Dagmar> I can sometimes get off three whole shots.
15:31 < cerkit> isn't that kind of weird?
15:31 < cerkit> being 80 mobs, shouldn't the fight be a bit more epic?
15:31 < cerkit> 2 80s, you and it, going at it?
15:31 < cerkit> 2 and half seconds?
15:32 <@Dagmar> Not really.  I generally figure if your life doesn't revolve around combat, taking several glowing/flaming rounds to the torso will put an end to you pretty damn quick
15:32 <@Dagmar> I can kill three 80's about as quick as I can kill one.
15:32 < cerkit> Yeah, I can do that too
15:32 < cerkit> but, the fights are longer then 2.5 seconds
15:33 <@Dagmar> This is why we go after things much tougher than we are.
15:33 < cerkit> if fights were 2.5 seconds I prolly wouldn't bother, hahahaha
15:33 < maxiez> Well, gear goes a long way
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15:33 < cerkit> no, but i mean
15:33 <@Dagmar> I'm wearing gear meant for taking on level 85 bosses and their friends.
15:33 < cerkit> whats the point of being 80?
15:33 <@Dagmar> ...so mere level 80 mobs don't stand much of a chance.
15:33 < cerkit> if you dont have big, epic battles?
15:33 < cerkit> heh
15:34 <@Dagmar> This is why you go into "heroic mode" instances, where everything's buffed to the point where the clothies will stay in the back or their repair bills will be epic.
15:34 < cerkit> I just wouldn't have wanted to get to 80, only to have the same fights I had when I logged in at 1.
15:34 < cerkit> (click, click, dead)
15:34 < cerkit> heh
15:34 <@Dagmar> Most of the epic battles are meant to last five minutes or less
15:34 < cerkit> Yeah, see, I go to special planes, and have 20-60 minute solo battles.
15:34 < cerkit> With things with 100s of 1000s of hps.
15:34 <@Dagmar> ...although with the exception of some of the newer, more ruthless ones, when you hit that five minute point, the boss goes into "enraged mode" and basically calls it for you
15:35 < cerkit> It requires all kinds of changing tactics...
15:35 <@Dagmar> You either had the skills to kill him by then or you didn't and you might as well start oevr.
15:35 < cerkit> The battles are epic.
15:35 <@Dagmar> Clicking madly for 10 minutes will kill you, the person, in some of these instances
15:35 < cerkit> And they require consistent, focused use of aquired skill.
15:35 <@Dagmar> I wasn't joking about the eyestrain thing
15:36 <@Dagmar> Stuff coming out from both sides, and some of it casting rangeless AoE spells that will wipe you if they're not dealt with in the next 5-6 seconds
15:37 < cerkit> It sounds like WoW is much more fast faced, combat-wise.
15:37 <@Dagmar> Yes.
15:37 < cerkit> Which is probably fun.
15:37 < cerkit> But would just bother me.
15:37 < cerkit> When would I light my weed?
15:37 < cerkit> hahahaha
15:37 <@Dagmar> There is no nonsense with the group being 1-2 tanks, 3-4 healers, and as many cheerleaders as you can carry
15:38 <@Dagmar> cerkit: Too right
15:38 < cerkit> I guess I'm a more casual player then WoW is ready for-
15:38 < cerkit> I like to have my way with these mobs...
15:38 < cerkit> hahaha
15:38 <@Dagmar> You gotta be ready to get the hell out of flaming stuff, run away from the boss, run _to_ the boss, distract a bunch of his buddies that just showed up
15:39 <@Dagmar> They've gotten really damn good at forcing people out of their comfort zones
15:39 <@Dagmar> No more can I just stand there mashing the IWIN button and watching for something to go wrong
15:39 < cerkit> Yeah, I don't want to play something where the goal is to make me less comfortable.
15:39 < cerkit> Then it ceases to be a game, and becomes work.
15:39 < cerkit> heh
15:39 <@Dagmar> THe high end stuff, I have bar mods installed because I do damn well need about 25-30 buttons
15:40 < cerkit> Yeah, there's a lot to fighting the mobs I was talking about...
15:40 < cerkit> Spells, AA, pet controls, etc
15:40 < cerkit> I must have 35-50 buttons going myself.
15:41 < cerkit> 25*
15:41 <@Dagmar> I've got five different kinds of traps I can throw down, a feign death button (just like monks), pet heals, four or five shots to juggle, a couple of damage mitigators, some trinkets, potions, pet controls (thank god for THUMB BUTTONS ON THE MOUSE)
15:41 < cerkit> My guess is, the fights in EQ are longer, because their based on the 6 second (tick) time frame built into EQ itself.
15:41 <@Dagmar> Situational buffs to fire off...
15:42 <@Dagmar> Yeah the WoW "tick" is the Global CoolDown (GCD) which starts at 1.5 seconds, and depending on how much haste you have stacked, can go down to 1.0s
15:42 < cerkit> Counting them: I have 12 spell gems, 10 hot keys, 12 macro keys, 4 potion belt slots, and 6 AA hot keys, all available to me
15:42 <@Dagmar> Most boss abilities cast in under 3 seconds, which doesn't leave a lot of room for error if you want to try to counter those
15:43 < cerkit> but there are 10 pages on the hot keys
15:43 < cerkit> and i have about 3 sets full
15:43 < cerkit> so, thats about 30 distinct buttons
15:44 <@Dagmar> Yeah I'm probably the most technically-inclined guy in my guild, so I have an asston of macros
15:44 < cerkit> hehehehe
15:44 < cerkit> I can imagine.
15:44 <@Dagmar> I've got a G15 keyboard here and on the DK I'm using both the numpad and all 18 g-keys
15:44 <@Dagmar> What I need is more fingers
15:44 < cerkit> Sounds like WoW is beyond me, at this point
15:45 <@Dagmar> I doubt that
15:45 < cerkit> I'd probably get yelled at, and this and that
15:45 <@Dagmar> Pfft.
15:45 < cerkit> Well, my friend said he quit because of how serious people are
15:45 <@Dagmar> You can get yelled at just because other players sometimes think they know every class.
15:45 < cerkit> he couldn't take all the arguing and bitching, etc
15:45 <@Dagmar> Yep.  We've a name for it.  "25-man-itis"
15:45 < cerkit> it sounds like the game is a bit of a pressure cooker-  pace wise.
15:46 < cerkit> so, it sounds like that might just be part of the game
15:46 < cerkit> and I'm not down for that.
15:46 <@Dagmar> There's a bunch of people who felt they were better than everyone else playing because they could find 24 other morons to group with to go tackle the "hardest" instances to get the best loot
15:46 < cerkit> I go and smoke a cigarette... and read over my spell book... and wander over to some random zone... and kill a few things...
15:46 < cerkit> and chill the hell out at my house
15:46 <@Dagmar> Unfortunately for them, that loot plays into it to the degree that after awhile, the stats themselves balance things out so that a half-assed tank tank generally keep aggro while everyone else just mashes as fast as they can
15:46 < cerkit> I only grind EXP or AAEXP when there's a reason.
15:46 < cerkit> I'm much more casual.
15:47 <@Dagmar> ...and no one wants to pay attention and say "get the fuck out of the FIRE asshole!" anymore
15:47 <@Dagmar> Then they come down to pug-land and fuck things up becuase they have no concept of fire discipline anymore
15:47 < cerkit> My other character, my alt...
15:47 < cerkit> I literally login, to sit around and drink virtual alcobol, while I fish
15:48 <@Dagmar> They have completely forgotten that doing 5K DPS is _not_ in fact "teh shiznit" when your tank can only manage about 3k equivalent threat
15:48 < cerkit> So, I'm not really fixed for the experience I've heard about WoW
15:48 <@Dagmar> There's both fishing AND drinking!
15:48 <@Dagmar> Some of the drinks even make you better at fishing.  ;)
15:48 < cerkit> Yeah, but it sounds like people would make fun of me
15:48 < cerkit> hahaha
15:48 < cerkit> for wasting my time with that
15:48 <@Dagmar> I fucking DESPISE fishing, but it keeps the pet happy
15:49 <@Dagmar> The drinking tho...
15:49 <@Dagmar> Heh
15:49 < cerkit> My druid, is 59, grand master baker, grand master fishermen, grand master alcohol tolerance...
15:49 <@Dagmar> There was a mana regen drink called Kungaloosh that ensured my screen was almost always a bit blurry
15:49 < cerkit> I sit in low level zones, and buff newbies, while I drink & fish
15:49 < cerkit> and make them +stats food
15:49 < cerkit> not so often anymore...  but every so often
15:49 <@Dagmar> Fight finishes, hunter sits down to have a drink.  Every time.
15:50 < cerkit> If WoW not just the game, but the community could handle that kind of... slowly -- smelling the roses -- way around...
15:50 <@Dagmar> NotLarry doesn't know what a lot of bosses look like because he plays on low-spec stuff and just faces the wall and casts heals based on what he sees on the unit frames.
15:50 < cerkit> maybe I'd fit in.
15:50 < cerkit> heh
15:50 < cerkit> Besides, my necro is SICK in EQ.
15:51 <@Dagmar> My problem is that until I turned full-screen effects off, my camera was usually zoomed pretty far out, I'm almost always 35 yards and a few inches away from the boss, and I'm half-drunk
15:51 < cerkit> There's really no reason to leave.
15:51 < cerkit> In 10 levels, I'll be in the top 10 necros in the world
15:52 < cerkit> (80 ---> 90 is max )
15:52 <@Dagmar> I think the number of asshounds in the game would make you go ballistic
15:52 < cerkit> probably
15:52 < cerkit> I've found a nice little group in EQ these days.
15:52 < cerkit> Good little guild, nice people.
15:52 < cerkit> Everybody helps each other-  quests together, etc.
15:52 < cerkit> It's nice.
15:52 < cerkit> Very laid back.
15:53 < cerkit> And soon, I'll revive my guild...
15:53 <@Dagmar> I'm just a portable airstrike.  :)
15:53 < cerkit> jus gotta manipulate a few more (sociopath mode on) situations, and i'll have all the people i need
15:54 < cerkit> Oh well.
15:54 < cerkit> Guess I should wrap it up.  I've been sitting here bullshit for like an hour.
15:54 < cerkit> Might as well go home.
15:54 < cerkit> bullshitting*
15:54 < cerkit> Dagmar: I'll catch ya later, man.
15:54 < eryc_> sitting bullshit
15:54 <@Dagmar> K.  peace
15:55 < eryc_> dances with wolves
15:55  * eryc_ oo OO oo OO oo
15:55  * eryc_ does a two-feather dance
15:55 <@Dagmar> I should probably go buy some more cigarettes before the sun goes down and it starts getting cold in earnest
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17:55 <@Dagmar> Yep.  Looks like it's on it's way to me now.
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