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02:59 <+Coder365> room: ping
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07:15 < K4k> polerin, Hey I'm the guy you were talking to outside the hotel after phreaknic while you guys were packing up the truck. You said you had wanted to talk to me about some stuff. So shoot me a message or something and we'll talk or if it's ok I'll message you but I don't direct message people without their permission first.
07:15 < K4k> I'll be on later today most likely
07:19 <@Gerdesas> heh - awesome: http://lwn.net/Articles/409864/
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07:48 <+Coder365> fuck its cold
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08:47 <@Evilpig> K4k: just message away.  we don't really give a shit about PMs in here
08:49 <@Evilpig> nice.  amc is showing some of the classic horror movies.
08:56 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
08:58 <@Evilpig> shut your facehole!
08:58 <@Evilpig> oh I mean.  yeah.  daystar is up
08:58 <+Coder365> shut your whore mouth when Evilpig is talking
08:58 <+Coder365> :D
09:00 <@Dolemite> I didn't assert any preference toward it being good or bad, just the fact that it's morning, so get over it.
09:03 <@Evilpig> before I go an look it up.  anyone know offhand the mount command for an iso?  mount -ro loop <iso> /path ?
09:03 <+Coder365> that looks right
09:03 <+Coder365> i always need to go look it up
09:04 <@Dolemite> sometimes you need to add the -t iso9660
09:04 <@Dolemite> but for the most part, mount -o loop file.iso /mnt/warez
09:06 < Mercster> i always do mount -t iso9660 -o loop file.iso /mnt/
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09:06 <@Evilpig> yeah something is up with this iso
09:06 <@Evilpig> can't get it to mount to test it with anything.  might actually just be a bad file
09:07 <@Evilpig> computer semi-hung while i was unraring the damned thing and I am pretty sure it just horked the file
09:08 < Mercster> what does 'file' say?
09:08 <@Evilpig> give me a sec. trying a known working iso first
09:08 < Mercster> should recognize it as a filesystem
09:08 < Mercster> if you get 'data', you might be fucked
09:08 <@Dolemite> I can't believe how often I have film crews outside of my office
09:09 <@Dolemite> Various documentarians and such, apparently
09:09 <@Evilpig> ws_key_ntsc.iso: setgid data
09:10 <@Evilpig> oh i'm being completely retarded about this.  I have an easy way to test that particular iso type
09:11 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: when are you sending/bringing a drive over?
09:14 <@Evilpig> well looks like it is good.  wbfs manager recognized the 6digit code on it right away
09:17 <@Dolemite> how large of a drive do I need?
09:18 <@Dolemite> I'm thinking I may want to use my 5.25" drive caddy instead of the 2.5" since it has its own power supply
09:18 <@Evilpig> ~100gb
09:18 <@Dolemite> oh, easy
09:18 <@Evilpig> I think I am currently using about 70GB with ~35games
09:18 <@Dolemite> Are you going to VA this weekend?  I guess not if you're at home on your day off.
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09:19 <@Evilpig> not sure how many discs you have to copy in.  but figure about 3.5 - 4gb each
09:19 <@Dolemite> I'll just grab a $50 SATA drive and use my dock like you have
09:19 <@Evilpig> I need to test and see if wii scrubber saves memory on the storage in the wbfs partition as well as on the isos
09:40 <@Dolemite> I've got about a dozen games so far, so ~ 50GB
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09:46 <@ware> wii?
09:46 <@Husky> play with my wii ware
09:47 <@ware> nty
09:59  * Lissa noms on birthday cake
10:01 <@ware> nomnomnomnomnomnomnomnom
10:02 <@Lissa> my boss made me a carrot cake for my birthday
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10:22 <@Evilpig> oh shit. your birthday was yesterday, Lissa 
10:25 <@Corydon76-home> Happy belated birthday, Lissa
10:25 <@Evilpig> now downloading: three missing box covers, three missing 3d covers, three missing disc images.  heh
10:27 < Mercster> yesterday i downloaded starcraft2
10:27 < Mercster> blizzard digital download
10:27 < Mercster> havent installed it yet
10:29 <@Evilpig> damn pal image flagged as ntsc.  well a little slap of a video patch and hey look ma, ntsc!
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10:33 <@CRasH180> I like Starcraft 2
10:33 <@CRasH180> fun, fun, fun
10:36 <@Evilpig> Welcome to NEEEEWWW Carnival Games!  It's time to plaaaay!
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10:36 <@Evilpig> this dude is way too happy
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10:45  * Lissa hugs Evilpig 
10:45 <@Lissa> :)
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11:12 <@Evilpig> 2 for 3 isn't so bad.
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12:24 <@Dolemite> Pig - did you get a BlizzCon virtual ticket this year?
12:32 <@Evilpig> no
12:32 <@Evilpig> we don't have the money.
12:33 <@Evilpig> she told me to.  but after looking at what money is going out and what is coming in we just don't have it.
12:35 <@Evilpig> I know it's today and I am trying to resist the urge to be spamming F5 on mmo-champion
12:38 <@Dolemite> Yeah, I can relate.  As of Dec 20, I will own 2 houses at the same time.
12:42 <@Evilpig> pretty sure our paygrades aren't anywhere near eachother
12:44 <@Evilpig> i'd be alot better off if ashley could find work.  but she isn't even getting any calls back
12:45 <@Dolemite> true, but still, $salary - $mortgage1 - $mortgage2 - $childexpenses = 0 = $pigsalary - $rent - $livingexpenses
12:45 <@Dolemite> Evilpig : That's because all the employers are afraid of child labor laws.
12:46 <@Evilpig> I still have a mortgage as well
12:47 <@Dolemite> yeah, but isn't your renter pretty much offsetting that?
12:48 <@Evilpig> for the most part.  I've been having to hound him cause he's been late and I don't have hte difference in my account anymore for him to be late
12:48 <@Dolemite> yeah, that gets bad
12:49 <@Evilpig> this new carnival games thing is semi-addicting
12:49 <@Dolemite> we've got Carnival Mini-Golf, it's fun
12:51 <@Dolemite> I'll let you borrow it for a few minutes sometime.  heh.
12:51 <@Dolemite> Along with Lego Star Wars, Lego Indiana Jones, Harry Potter & Half Blood Prince, CARS racing, M&Ms Racing, etc.
12:52 <@Evilpig> I justwon a game and it said "for the win"  I laughed a little
12:59 <@Evilpig> this throwing the dice one blows much ass
13:01 <@Dolemite> Man, I love screwing with people who don't know the security protocol here.  A shipping company needs to come pick up a return and called to see how to get through the security portal.  I actually was able to say, "Tell the security guards at the portal, 'We don't need no stinkin badges'" twice before she caught on
13:05 <@Evilpig> fuck this game.  fuck it in ware's ass
13:06 <@Dolemite> lol
13:06 <@Dolemite> the Shrek Carnival Games is pretty fun, too
13:07 <@Evilpig> I got second on this thing once.  keep geting last by like a minute or more from the third place ne
13:07 <@Evilpig> frustrating as all get out
13:07 <@Dolemite> Toy Story is a tough one, too
13:13 <@Evilpig> speed bingo can suck my nuts too
13:39 <@Evilpig> kirby round #3
13:41 <@Dolemite> if you're going to be around this weekend, I may bring my Wii and some games by Saturday evening
13:41 <@Evilpig> I will.  but you know where I will be
13:41 <@Dolemite> You're not working this weekend, are you?
13:41 <@Evilpig> am indeed
13:41 <@Dolemite> Oh, I thought it was your weekend off
13:41 <@Evilpig> last weekend was
13:42 <@Evilpig> and I spent it working PN.  heh.
13:42 <@Dolemite> Ah, I thought you had to take vacation.  Must have been NL.
13:42 <@Evilpig> he did
13:43 <@Dolemite> And I'm sure you'll be heading to VA next weekend
13:43 <@Evilpig> that's the plan
13:43 <@Evilpig> if you stop by the wii is hooked up.  doesn't take long to plug a usb drive into my server and start loading stuff
13:44 <@Evilpig> I want to say I cloned my portable to the one I took to PN over the course of maybe 4 or 5 hours
13:44 <@Dolemite> I may just send a drive to you one weekend and get it another
13:44 <@Evilpig> that works
13:44 <@Dolemite> I'll try out those instructions you were handing out during PN this weekend, perhaps
13:44 <@Dolemite> if I can find an SD card not in use.  heh.
13:45 <@Dolemite> You know if the Wii reads SDHC?
13:45 <@Evilpig> ware did it and worked for him
13:45 <@Evilpig> if you are running at least 4.0 then yes it does
13:45 <@Evilpig> I'm running 4.2 and you are too most likely
13:45 <@Dolemite> Well I have a 4 GB SDHC I could use.  I can always do a system upgrade first to be sure.
13:45 <@Evilpig> 4.3 is the newest
13:46 <@Dolemite> okey dokey
13:46 <@Dolemite> I probably have 4.2, then, because I did a system upgrade when I got the thing in December
13:46 <@Evilpig> 4.3 adds in full usb2 support.  which is nice.  but you can add it just by loading the correct IOS as well
13:46 <@Dolemite> or rather, I'm sure I have 4.0+
13:46 <@Dolemite> I think I did another upgrade a few months ago
13:46 <@Evilpig> IOS80 I think.  the newest WiiMC has a link to it on the website and recommends it
13:47 <@Dolemite> Radeon 4550 decent graphics card, or too outdated?
13:47 <@Evilpig> dunno.  never been up on ati
13:48 <@Evilpig> testing...
13:48 <@Evilpig> success! 
13:49 < Mercster> Error: Success
13:49 <@Evilpig> I think sammy is wanting me to mod his wii as well.  will have to find him a hard drive of some variety.
13:59 <@Neoteric> Evilpig: what chip does you use?
13:59 <@Dolemite> Softmods, Neoteric!
14:00 <@Evilpig> softmod all the way
14:02 <@Neoteric> really?
14:02 <@Neoteric> somoen show me a link
14:02 <@Neoteric> and or tell me how many minutes this will take ?
14:02 <@Dagmar> Aw don't blame him.  He's a little stuck on the hardware modificaiton thing lately.  ;)
14:02 <@Neoteric> Dagmar: BEARS !!!!
14:03 <@Dagmar> Bears pushed you?
14:03 <@Neoteric> www.tux.org/~timball/pix/BEARS.jpg
14:03 <@Dagmar> lol
14:03 <@Neoteric> www.transBEARency.com
14:03 <@Dagmar> That's a serious looking hand brace
14:03 <@Neoteric> it scares kids on the metro
14:04 <@Dagmar> I can definitely see that
14:04 < Mercster> GAH< ASIAN
14:05 <@Neoteric> fuck you gimpi
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14:12 <@Dolemite> ware : Puhleaze.
14:13 <@ware> u rite
14:13 <@ware> im stuck onsite and havent had lunch
14:13 <@Dolemite> that sucks
14:13 <@ware> getiin frumpy
14:13 <@Dolemite> liquid lunch time
14:14 <@Dolemite> where you stuck at?
14:14 <@ware> bank in cville
14:14 <@Dolemite> the cybersecurity guys came and grabbed me for lunch today, took me to 'The Soup Kitchen' in Oak Ridge.  It was damn tasty.
14:14 <@ware> site 2 of manual software uninstall
14:14 <@ware> got like 3 pc's left
14:14 <@ware> then testing, then food
14:14 <@Dolemite> they have like 7-8 different soups each day, 4-5 different breads
14:15 <@ware> sounds nice and tastey
14:18 <@Dolemite> Ok, hot asian girl just walked down the hall while reading a book on differential equations
14:19 <@Dolemite> To help the scientists figure out their computational problems, they have to understand the math / physics / chemistry / etc.  It's amazing how well rounded and just plain damn smart the help desk people here have to be.
14:20 <@Dolemite> well, they have to understand the basic level of the math, etc.
14:22 <@Neoteric> NOICE: http://staging.influenceexplorer.com/industries
14:28 <@opticron> Dolemite, attractive and intelligent? double whammy
14:28 <@Dolemite> there's a lot of that around here
14:29 <@opticron> hsv is just kind of lacking in women altogether
14:29 <@opticron> or I have no idea where to find them
14:29 <@Dagmar> Stop hanging out in gay bars then
14:30 <@opticron> what about gray bars?
14:32 <@Corydon76-home> opticron: Who is Sara dating now?
14:33 <@opticron> the guy she took with her to the west coast
14:33 <@opticron> i assume you're talking about sara neale
14:33 <@Corydon76-home> Right
14:33 <@opticron> simoncion on irc
14:34 <@Corydon76-home> opticron: do you have an okcupid profile yet?
14:41 <@Dolemite> ok, time to hit the road for Nashville
14:41 <@Dolemite> later, kids!
14:41 <@opticron> Corydon76-home, nope
14:41 <@opticron> I'm not actually looking
14:42 <@Corydon76-home> opticron: what about trying to get laid?  You're not doing that, either?
14:42 <@opticron> not really
14:42 <@opticron> not all that important
14:42 <@opticron> at least, not right now
14:43 <@Corydon76-home> The priesthood called.  They'd like to know how you do it.
14:43 <@opticron> the only significant concentrations of women I've seen is the liberal arts side of the local college
14:43 <+fall0ut> huntsville sucks :P
14:44 <@opticron> i'll eventually move somewhere else where it stays cooler year round
14:44 <@opticron> hopefully, that place will have women
14:44 <@Corydon76-home> It's urban enough to get your dick wet if you really want to
14:44 <@Lissa> ew
14:44 <@Lissa> i always seem to come into the conversation at exactly the wrong point
14:45 <@Corydon76-home> Heh, that's usually the way it goes
14:45 <@Lissa> i keep getting confetti stuck to my arms....my co-workers decorated my office and there is confetti and string EVERYWHERE.
14:45 <@Corydon76-home> Clearly, the reason Mark founded Digium in Huntsville was for the sausagefest
14:45 <@Lissa> it's probably all over my face and hair too
14:46 <@Lissa> is mark teh geyh?
14:46 <@Corydon76-home> Yep
14:47 <@Corydon76-home> Kind of an open secret.  Not broadcast, because he goes to Middle Eastern countries on a fairly regular basis
14:49 <@polerin> Lissa: for your birthday?
14:50 < Mercster> :|
14:52 <@Dagmar> Ah, so he's not one of those ass-fucking-but-I'm-not-acutally-gay-gays like over in the Middle East then
14:52 <@Dagmar> Good for him.
14:53 <@Lissa> polerin: yeh
14:53 <@Lissa> polerin: and my boss made me a carrot cake
14:54 <@Lissa> well..alabama does have that rather large phallic object on the right of the interstate going into the state.
14:54 <@Lissa> :P
14:56 <@polerin> aww
15:04 <@opticron> we try to let everyone know what's up
15:04 <@opticron> huntsville has a bigger one
15:05 <@Lissa> :P
15:05  * unixfg might need to reevaluate HSV as a destination
15:05 <@Lissa> lol
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15:58 <@eryc> oh, that worked
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16:02 < Mercster> mmm
16:02 <+Coder365> mmm
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16:07 <@polerin> mm mmm mmm looking out my back door
16:11 <+Coder365> dammit, thanks polerin, now i have that song stuck in my head.
16:11 < Mercster> polerin: no, "dooo doo doo"
16:12 <@polerin> yeah but that didn't fit the joke
16:12 < Mercster> what joke
16:12 <+Coder365> Mercster: your face
16:12 <@polerin> my failed sense of humor apparently.
16:12  * polerin goes back to eating popsicles 
16:13 <+Coder365> lol
16:15 <@Lissa> oh fabulous.
16:15 <@Lissa> why do i always get quoted
16:15 <@Lissa> :/
16:15 <@polerin> cuz yer funneh?
16:15 <@Lissa> am not
16:16 < Mercster> yer funny...but hey, looks aint everything
16:18 <@Lissa> merc: do you spend your entire life trying to be a fucking asshole, or does it just come naturally?
16:19 <@Husky> ^
16:21 < Mercster> settle down, stupid. it's a movie quote.
16:23  * polerin crawls into lissa's lap and tries not to be miserable
16:23 <@polerin> this con funk is really kicking my ass
16:23 <+Coder365> still?
16:23 <@Lissa> she was awful yesterday
16:24 <@Lissa> feck...when did it get to be 4:30.
16:25 <@Lissa> I should have left work an hour ago
16:25 <@Lissa> heh
16:31 <@polerin> oooo come home :)
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16:32 <@polerin> Coder365: I was really beat to shit yesterday.  I could barely sit up or walk, and I only remember about 2 hours total.
16:32 <+Coder365> ouch
16:35 <+VampirePenguin> hi Coder365 polerin Lissa Mercster Husky opticron
16:35 <+VampirePenguin> :)
16:36 <+Coder365> wat
16:37 <@polerin> damn.  Obama really has the hand shaking stuff down
16:38 <@polerin> watching him on cspan, he's got both hands going, sometimes with multiple people per hand, new targets every ~1.5 seconds
16:38 <@Husky> hi
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17:05 < Mercster> oh hai
17:06 <@Neoteric> polerin: yeah man prez gots to gets the gripz
17:52 <@polerin> Neoteric: no shit.  Freaky watching him do it when you're looking from a technique standpoint.
17:54 <@Dagmar> Awesome
17:54 <@Dagmar> Ubuntu is going to get their fingers burned on this one I think
17:55 <@Dagmar> I was just trying to kill off sshd temporarily on my netbook
17:55 <@Dagmar> Apparently their init replacement thinks these fucking things should run all the time... and I mean *all* the time
17:55 <@Dagmar> It starts the fucker back uo
17:56 <@Dagmar> That looks like something just *destined* to become a suicidal thrash-race if the OOM killer has to murder some daemons
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18:51 <@ware> http://warlogs.wikileaks.org/
18:53 <@Dagmar> Ooooh shit
18:53 <@ware> fo sho
18:53 <@Dagmar> "The majority of the deaths (66,000, over 60%) of these are civilian deaths."
18:54 <@Dagmar> Hooo boy the news media will have a field day with that
18:54 <@ware> yuh
18:54 <@ware> need to nuke that enitre area
18:54 <@ware> all of em
18:54 <@ware> you have 3 weeks to get out of X areas
18:54 <@ware> if not you will be turned to ash / glass
18:56 <@ware> whole thing pisses me off
18:56 <@ware> too much time / money / effort is wasted there
18:59 <@Dagmar> I think the mistake is in trying to _prevent_ them from killing each other.
19:00 <@Dagmar> We should be providing them with an ample supply of handaxes.
19:02 <@Dagmar> Pretty sure that if we armed the lot of them, and I mean every man, woman, and child in the region, that the fuckers who keep duping others into doing their dirty work would be dead within the month
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19:06 < Gerdesas> Dagmar: +1
19:11 <@Dagmar> Fuck this is bad
19:11 <@Dagmar> If major news outlets aren't given a "YOU WILL NOT TALK ABOUT THIS" order before Monday, I will be suprised.
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19:27 < kive> Dunno -- hard to take that approach when it's already widespread
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19:51 <@Dagmar> Doh.  CNN just did a roll-call on the things other news outlets are sifting out of the WIkiLeaks documentation
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20:37 <@polerin> Dagmar: dood, they all have AK's.  Seriously.  Guns everywhere, that's why secritarian violence was so bad for a good time.
20:37 <@Dagmar> No, very clearly they _don't_ all have AK's
20:38 <@polerin> "all" is obviously false, but the rate of gun ownership is extremely high.
20:38 <@polerin> Lots of stories about it out there.
20:38 <@Dagmar> Not high enough or people would have taken matters into their own hands by now
20:38 <@polerin> guns alone don't help, you need numbers and coordination, and the will to use them in that way
20:39 <@polerin> and a good grasp of the situation, which is likely a huge problem as well
20:39 <@Dagmar> Well, let's see...
20:39 <@Dagmar> People are getting wedged into situations so fucked up that blowing themselves to bits on someone else's behalf sounds like a good idea.
20:39 <@Dagmar> WOmen are being stoned to death.
20:39 <@Lissa> lola...lo lo lo lo looooola
20:39 <@Dagmar> I'm super sure a woman with an AK just passively lets herself be stoned to death.
20:40 <@polerin> Dagmar: go look up the rates, and it's not that simple
20:40 <@Dagmar> Neither is the situation "so simple" that _you_ or anyone else outside of there can fix it.
20:40 <@Dagmar> This is why giving them -plenty- of guns is acutally a reasonable option.
20:41 <@polerin> It's not like they just decided "hey lets start stoning women", these women have existed in a society that have given them no power, no training, and have explicitly punished them if they do fight back
20:41 <@Dagmar> Holy shit... MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY GUNS
20:41 <@Dagmar> You seriously can't expect me to think they're just genetically predisposed towards being murdered over bullshit.
20:41 <@Dagmar> If they were all required to pack heat, that shit would end within a year
20:41 <@polerin> where did I say genetically ANYTHING
20:42 <@polerin> stop strawmanning, and consider what I have to say
20:42 <@Dagmar> Well, it has to be genetic since you think they're all heavily armed enough over there.
20:42 <@Dagmar> They've been killing each other for hundreds of years.
20:42 <@Dagmar> No one anything has done has even made a dent in it.
20:42 <@polerin> dag.  Training. of the women. through society.  It's even self enforced
20:42 <@polerin> there are many examples of the women being the ones enforcing that shit
20:42 <@Dagmar> Fuck that.
20:43 <@Dagmar> GUNS.
20:43 <@Dagmar> That shit will sort itself out quickly.
20:43 <@polerin> so what is one person with an ak going to do against her whole village?
20:43 <@polerin> with no education
20:43 <@polerin> no place to go
20:43 <@Dagmar> An armed society is a _polite_ society.
20:43 <@polerin> no money
20:43 <@Dagmar> You're just being a dumbass.
20:43 <@polerin> because guess what, women aren't really allowed to own much
20:43 <@polerin> really
20:43 <@Dagmar> "so what is one person"...
20:43 <@polerin> so education doesn't matter
20:43 <@Dagmar> WHAT THE FUCK HAVE I BEEN SAYING?
20:43 <@Dagmar> Give just *one* person a gun?
20:43 <@Dagmar> Fuck no!
20:44 <@Dagmar> GIVE FUCKING ALL OF THEM GUNS.
20:44 <@polerin> Dagmar: and You missed what I said.
20:44 <@Dagmar> Either pay attention or don't even try
20:44 <@polerin> the women have been self enforcing
20:44 <@polerin> so it's 99% of the women + 100% of the guys against one or two women
20:44 <@polerin> Yeah.  Dumping guns into that is SURE going to help
20:44 <@Dagmar> No, a bossy minority has been "enforcing" that
20:45 <@polerin> no dag, it's well documented that women have been enforcing this kind of shit
20:45 <@Dagmar> Arming the lot of them will sort it out one way or the other.
20:45 <@Dagmar> It's well documented that catholic priests like to fuck little boys
20:45 <@Dagmar> It only takes a _few_ to spoil the lot
20:45 <@Dagmar> It only takes a _few_ bullies to make an entire high school fear that they might be gay.
20:46 <@Dagmar> Just to bring that fucker fully home for you.
20:46 <@Dagmar> I actually *know* some islamic women
20:46 <@polerin> What, and I don't?
20:46 <@polerin> You forget, I've LIVED in an islamic country
20:46 <@polerin> I've seen the shit first hand.
20:46 <@Dagmar> Well then there's nothing more for us to discuss.  Clearly you must be right and no one over there will ever change.
20:47 <@Dagmar> For my part, I'll continue to believe in evolution... and that people, by definition, will kill each other for resources in a heartbeat _if they're sufficiently armed_
20:47 <@polerin> Dagmar: you're presenting one option, which has no nuance and no depth.  I'm suggesting alternate explanations that have actual ties into existing data.  I'm sorry your view of guns as the ultimate solution doesn't match with the reality of the situation
20:48 <@Dagmar> When in the history of mankind have an _adequately armed group of anyone_ remained repressed?
20:48 <@polerin> guns is one fact.  But you can't eat bullets, and you have to sleep some time
20:48 <@polerin> s/one fact/one factor/
20:48 <@Dagmar> With a gun you can shoot the motherfuckers keeping you from planting.
20:48 <@Dagmar> Again, when in the history of mankind has an _adequately armed group remained oppressed_?
20:48 <@polerin> Dagmar: and they do. except then they come back with 30 armed men to your one.
20:49 <@polerin> and you're dead.
20:49 <@Dagmar> "One".  Bullshit.
20:49 <@polerin> and you know this because it happened down the road from you
20:49 <@Dagmar> No such thing has happened here.
20:49 <@polerin> nere?
20:49 <@polerin> err
20:49 <@polerin> here?
20:49 <@Dagmar> No such thing has happened here.
20:50 <@polerin> really?
20:50 <@polerin> so .. no gangs?
20:50 <@Dagmar> The only way you can be "one" in an altercation in a heavily-armed society is _if you've pissed off all your neighbors_
20:50 <@polerin> no areas where people are too scaired to talk to the police because of retribution?
20:50 <@Dagmar> This is not a heavily-armed society dumbass
20:51 <@polerin> regardless of if they have a gun or not?
20:51 <@polerin> hey, you are the one saying it didn't happen here
20:51 <@polerin> not me
20:51 <@Dagmar> But you just go on believing that being a victim is 100% blameless
20:51 <@polerin> You can't propose something, then when it's proven false, call me a dumbass for proving you wrong
20:51 <@polerin> being a victim?
20:51 <@polerin> what the hell does ...  dag, what are you smoking tonight?
20:51 <@Dagmar> that it's perfectly natural to be a coward and just take whatever shit someone wants to dump on you, instead of fighting back.
20:51 <@polerin> seriously
20:51 <@Dagmar> After all, it's worked out great for the French.
20:51 <@polerin> Coward?
20:51 <@polerin> ...
20:52 <@polerin> now you're just trying to troll me
20:52  * polerin leaves it at that.
20:52 <@Dagmar> What I'm smoking is "not putting up with bullshit"
20:53 <@polerin> Dagmar: what you're smoking is entitled first world I-can-do-everything-I'm-superman bullshit.
20:53 <@Dagmar> Neighborhoods that are terrorized by gangs are almost as a rule _not_ heavilly armed, because _heavily armed neighborhoods_ kill _gangsters_
20:53 <@polerin> Dagmar: I'd like to see some stats on that
20:53 <@polerin> because, uh..  I call bullshit.
20:53 <@Dagmar> People can and will kill each other when simply threatened sufficiently.
20:53 <@Dagmar> That's been the case since the dawn of written history.
20:54 <@polerin> Dagmar: except that it's not that simple.  You might have one person stand up, and they get smacked down as an example
20:54 <@polerin> it's been played out over and over
20:55 <@polerin> and so the rest get frightened
20:55 <@polerin> for what you are talking about to work, it has to have overwhelming numbers, and a solid front.
20:56 <@polerin> so again, I ask you.  Back it up.  Show me the numbers re: gun ownership in high crime areas.
20:58 <@Dagmar> Hell, facts are fucking facts.  If the place were as armed as you claimed it is, they'd have killed off most of the soldiers we sent in there, because we have certainly caused a shitload of civilian casualties.
20:58 <@Dagmar> They've just passively "taken it" to the tune of a whole shitload of people whose only crime was being _unarmed_
20:59 <@polerin> Dagmar: that's not a fact, that's a supposition based on your worldview
20:59 <@polerin> Dagmar: find the statistics.
20:59 <@polerin> I'm looking myself.
21:00 <@polerin> but you don't get to call something fact when you cannot back it up with numbers, only propaganda speak.
21:00 <@Dagmar> For that matter, _this fucking country_ is here because the masses finally got enough fucking *guns* to kill off the pushy minority when they came to take our shit
21:00 <@Dagmar> So, in conclusion... GUNS FOR PEACE.
21:01 <@Dagmar> GUNS FOR PEACE.  GUNS FOR EVERYBODY.
21:04 <@polerin> In conclusion, We can tell that dagmar can't be arsed to back his rhetoric up with hard numbers, and turns to ad-hominims to try to bluster his way through.
21:07 <@eryc> hm
21:07 <@eryc> what did i miss
21:08 <@Dagmar> Just a bit of nonsense from a hippie
21:08 <@Dagmar> Nothing worth worrying about
21:09  * eryc starts at the top
21:09 <@polerin> oh hey look, an academic paper dealing with Dagmar's hypothisis:  http://islandia.law.yale.edu/ayers/Ayres_Donohue_article.pdf
21:09 <@eryc> we can't nuke the middle east because the only thing we care about, oil, will burn up
21:10 <@eryc> people have been killing each other before there were guns
21:10 <@eryc> adding or subtracting them won't change that
21:12 <@eryc> intelligently distributing resources would reduce crime at the expense of those who own the most resources, and therefore the most influence and resiliancy to this socialist paradigm
21:13 <@eryc> but even with that, if you fuck your man's enemy, he's going to stone you
21:13 <@eryc> therefore we must also end marriage and monogamy
21:13 <@polerin> eryc: what the hell does that have to do with anything we just discussed?
21:17 <@eryc> what did you discuss?
21:20 <@Dagmar> eryc: The main issue there as I see it is the _inequality_ among people with respect to being able to easily kill their enemies.
21:20 <@Dagmar> Solution: Arm every fucking man, woman, and child there.  *Heavily*
21:21 <@Dagmar> Except someone wanted to keep trying to refute the argument based on broken interpretations that generally involve a whole shitload of people (all over again) unarmed.
21:21 <@Dagmar> Citing gang violence where a gang comes back and kills some singular person who gave them trouble.
21:22 <@Dagmar> If the entire neighborhood were heavily armed, that wouldn't happen.  In neighborhoods where everyone _is_ heavily armed (which are few) that _doesn't_ happen.
21:22 <@Dagmar> A car full of gangbangers is simply found as a holed-up burned out husk later
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21:23 <@Dagmar> A woman facing being stoned to death or heavily mutilated isn't going to fucking just take it if she's armed
21:23 <@Dagmar> UNless she has no friends, they're not likely to let it happen if _they're_ armed as well
21:23 <@Dagmar> They've got the willingness to kill each other there over ideals, clearly.  What they lack is the means.
21:24 <@Dagmar> Having a lot of guns in an area just lets a pushy minority bully everyone.\
21:24 <@Dagmar> Having a _shitload_ of guns so that damn well everyone is packing heat, I believe, creates an entirely different dynamic.
21:25 <@Dagmar> There's a few towns in the US which are pro-carry.  They work out really well.
21:25 <@eryc> let's strap them all up with heartbeat sensors and c4
21:26 <@Dagmar> It wasn't paperwork that kept the US free of the UK once we broke it off.
21:26 <@Dagmar> It was _fucking guns_
21:26 <@eryc> speaking of freedom
21:26 <@Dagmar> We crossed the threshold of where we had enough of them to do something about it
21:27 <@eryc> whats up with papua new guinea
21:27 <@Dagmar> What about them
21:27 <@Dagmar> Are they getting blowback from the cholera?
21:28 <@eryc> the indonesian army is torturing them
21:28 <@Dagmar> Yep.
21:28 <@eryc> because indonesia annexed them in the 60's and they've been pissed about it ever since
21:28 <@eryc> let's give those bastards some guns!
21:28 <@Dagmar> Indoesia has lots of guns.
21:29 <@Dagmar> Peaceful tribesmen living in the woods, don't.
21:29 <@eryc> yea thats who needs 'e,
21:29 <@eryc> 'em
21:29 <@eryc> let's start a Free Papua movement
21:29 <@Dagmar> Frankly, I'm suprised there's anyone still lkiving on that easterly island
21:29 <@Dagmar> Bougaville or something IIRC
21:30 <@eryc> there's already a theme song
21:30 <@Dagmar> Indonesia has swept in there and tried to commit genocide a few times
21:30 <@eryc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCoCTkC0oL0
21:30 <@Dagmar> eryc: See also, Future Sound of London... 'Papa New Guinea'
21:30 <@eryc> ^
21:30 <@Dagmar> hah the exact song
21:30 <@eryc> heh
21:31 <@Dagmar> I figured you were tlaking about something else
21:31 <@Dagmar> The uptick in violence there at the time is afaik the reason they named the song that
21:31 <@eryc> ah i had no idea
21:31 <@eryc> yea a new video leaked yesterday or so
21:32 <@eryc> i saw it on bbc
21:32 <@eryc> i've started watching bbc/rt now for my news
21:34 <@Dagmar> Oh it was on the news back then
21:34 <@Dagmar> It's just that, as bad as that was, that part of the world was _very_ "third world" at the eimt
21:34 <@Dagmar> er time
21:35 <@Dagmar> It's also a very small place, so what amounts to a large percentage of the population isn't a whole lotta people
21:35 <@Dagmar> Someone probably should have stepped in, but blame the fucking Chinese
21:35 <@Dagmar> Cold War bullshit
21:51  * eryc points at Neoteric 
21:57 <@sdodson> not my fault!
22:14 <@Dagmar> CNN is digging into the report now
22:14 <@Dagmar> there's going to be a bunch of ugly questions to be answered on Monday
22:15 <@Dagmar> Things like, the US military knew damn well that those three hikers Iran kidnapped last year were *not* in Iran.  Iranian military grabbed them well inside the Iraqi border and claimed they were trespassing
22:15 <@sdodson> BY DAGMAR INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER REPORTING ON BEHALF OF #SE2600
22:15 <@Dagmar> Basically, Iran covering their asses for their military people going where they shoudln't have been
22:16 <@Dagmar> ...and our military helping them by not saying anything.
22:16 <@Dagmar> That right there is *shit*
22:23 <@eryc> go prof go
22:24 <@eryc> assange was on irc back in the day
22:26 <@Dagmar> Yup
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22:41 <@eryc> hrm
22:42 <@eryc> so Saddam Hussein took power in 1979
22:42 <@eryc> killed an estimated 1 million in a country of 22mil
22:43 <@eryc> so, we're only at like 10%
22:43 <@eryc> not bad
22:44 <@eryc> though not mentioning the 500k they lost to Iran and the 100k from the previous war
22:47 <@eryc> hrm, maybe that 1 mil estimate is too high
22:47 <@eryc> between the 8 year war with Iran and the 10 years of war with US it seems like we might be about even
22:53 <@eryc> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0c8_1287730423
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23:53 <@Dagmar> Okay.  I don't fucking get this
23:53 <@Dagmar> I'm askin' in here just on hte OFF CHANCE someone knows what the fucking deal is with this
23:53 <@Dagmar> I'm using screen to start a process that has no daemonization to it as a quick hack to make it run like one
23:54 <@Dagmar> To shut this fucker down, you can't send kill signals, you have to actually send "stop" to it's stdin
23:54 <+Coder365> ...wtf?
23:54 <@Dagmar> Coder365: It's the damn minecraft server, but screen is doing something weird
23:54 <+Coder365> does it matter what proc? or is it specific to what you're working on?
23:55 <@Dagmar> I run screen -s Minecraft -X stuff "`echo -e "stop\r"`" and it ONLY works if I am attached to the fucking process from another window
23:55 <+Coder365> thats fucked
23:55 <@Dagmar> If I hit throw -p 0 in there, for whatever reason the fucking thing works fine
23:59 <@eryc> what does -p 0 do?
23:59 <@eryc> i'm surprised it likes those nested "s
23:59 <@Dagmar> eryc: Yeah apparently it's a lot more forgiving about that than I thought
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