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01:02 <@mfph> social networking is the biggest scam running. say aye.
01:03 <@mfph> jesus christ i went upstairs at pn12 for the wifirace and i saw a goddamned angel
01:30 <@Dagmar> Hehehe
01:31 <@Dagmar> My mom forwarded me a political email from one of my uncles who very likely _believes it_.  A retake on the old "so and so ordered half the cattle guards fired"
01:31 <@Dagmar> It's funny, but it's right there on Snopes.  Not real.
01:31 <@Dagmar> I forwarded her http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLD0p1QpcI8
01:32 <@Dagmar> Warren Buffet.  Talking to Congress, telling them that repealing the death tax is dumb, and outlining a simple way to seriously impact the state of the nation financially
01:33 <@Dagmar> Should be ultra hilarious
02:49 < Mercster> im drunk
02:54 < Mercster> so what
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03:33 < Mercster> jimmy carter, die
03:33 < Mercster> DIE RIGHT NOW
03:37 < Mercster> haha, united nations
03:37 < Mercster> this old coot is delusional
05:01 < Mercster> whew
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08:54 <@NotLarry> Evilpig: you here?
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09:06 <@ware> http://goo.gl/NW0E
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09:33 <@Evilpig> NotLarry: yeah
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09:55 < phaile> sup fallas.
09:55 < phaile> any of you guys do any grepmail scripting?
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11:48 <@ware> NotLarry: ping
12:02 <@Corydon76-home> 3-alarm fire in south Nashville right now
12:04 <@Dagmar> Chimney Top lit up again?
12:04 <@Corydon76-home> No, different complex
12:04 <@Dagmar> OH damn
12:04 <@Dagmar> I see it on the news now
12:04 <@Dagmar> Chimney Top down in Antioch had a big fire last night
12:04 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, they just mentioned it on channel 4
12:04 <@Dagmar> ware: You made a skin yet?
12:05 <@Dagmar> I just pulled up WTVF's site
12:05 <@Dagmar> I gotta lose this cough.  Bleh.
12:05 <@Dagmar> Irritating thing is, if I don't, I actually get to listen to Opheria complain about her being the one that gave it to me
12:05 <@Corydon76-home> Does channel 5 have a noontime news?
12:06 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: No, but their website gets steady updates when anything happens
12:06 <@Dagmar> http://www.wtvf.com/Global/story.asp?S=13237738 posted 11:28am
12:07 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, I saw they had what amounted to essentially a placeholder
12:07 <@Corydon76-home> channel 4 has a reporter and helicopter already there
12:07 <@ware> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=44920
12:07 <@ware> Dagmar: im at wits end man
12:07 <@ware> shit is ridiculous
12:08 <@Dagmar> ware: Okay gimme a minute to look at mine, but you're going to be embarrassed I think
12:08 <@Dagmar> Hahaha
12:09 <@Dagmar> I want you to look very carefully at this:
12:09 <@Dagmar> java -Xmx1024M -Xms1024M -jar minecraft_server.jar nogui
12:09 <@Dagmar> You actually read instructions on launching the _creative mode_ server, not the Alpha SMP server
12:09 <@Dagmar> ...and judging by the filename, you were starting the creative mode server
12:10 <@Dagmar> The dash is an underscore on the _right_ version
12:10 <@ware> whichin where who what?
12:10 <@Dagmar> Remember me cussing because I'd downloaded the wrong server code and minecraft.net was down?
12:10 <@Dagmar> I made the same damn mistake
12:10 <@ware> aight hang on
12:10 <@ware> ive tried multiple jar's
12:10 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: channel 4 is going back to the story live now
12:10 <@ware> http://www.minecraft.net/download/minecraft_server.jar
12:10 <@Dagmar> I'd watch, but that would mean leaving my comfy bed
12:10 <@ware> thats the correct one right?
12:10 <@Dagmar> ware: YEah, launch that one
12:11 <@ware> hold
12:11 <@Corydon76-home> Oh, thought you might be watching from the NOC
12:11 <@Dagmar> ware: Straight off the bottom of http://minecraft.net/download.jsp
12:11 <@ware> lol what the fuck
12:12 <@Dagmar> ware: Its' an _easy_ mistake to make
12:12 <@ware> what the fuck
12:12 <@ware> lol
12:12 <@ware> i did this earlier tho i thought
12:12 <@ware> jesus h
12:12 <@Dagmar> Be sure and use the argument list they (and I) give
12:12 <@ware> tyvm
12:12 <@Dagmar> No problem
12:12 <@Dagmar> YOu also might wanna Google up Hey0's mod, and Runecraft
12:13 <@Corydon76-home> Early report of a building AC unit causing the fire
12:13 <@Dagmar> And get a skin, blueshirt. ;)
12:13 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: With it being like 60F outside?  That's gotta suck
12:13 <@ware> hrm
12:14 <@ware> well im hosting it on phneak.net:3389
12:14 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: the first building was completely destroyed before the fire dept arrived, apparently
12:14 <@Dagmar> Yeah we got a lot of wood complexes here
12:15 <@Dagmar> LIke most apartment complexes, the place was probably a ghost town at that time of day, too
12:15 <@Corydon76-home> No, it wasn't
12:15 <@ware>  netstat -anl | grep 3389
12:15 <@ware> tcp6       0      0 :::3389                 :::*                    LISTEN
12:15 <@ware> no ip4?
12:15 <@Corydon76-home> You can see about 100 evacuees next to the news crew
12:15 <@Dagmar> Whoops it bound to ipv6 only.  I didn't know it could even do that
12:15 <@Dagmar> ware: You might wanna nuke everything in that directory and let it drop new config file defaults
12:15 <@ware> i saw a -D option that forces ip4
12:16 <@ware> i did that
12:16 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: there's a special mode in the IPv6 code that allows a single socket to bind to both IPv6 and IPv4
12:17 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: There's also that I was failing to connect the that port
12:17 <@Dagmar> ware: I should say, you might want to think about picking a new port now that you've posted it
12:17 <@ware> netstat -anl | grep 3389
12:17 <@ware> tcp6       0      0 173.230.130.236:3389    :::*                    LISTEN
12:17 <@Dagmar> There will be firebugs probably showing up later
12:17 <@ware> lol wth
12:17 <@ware> hahaha
12:17 <@ware> thats fine
12:17 <@ware> i just want the shit working
12:18 <@Dagmar> k
12:20 <@Dagmar> I'll mention that a forest fire is a mess... Be mindful of those.  ;)
12:20 <@Dagmar> They tend to never go out
12:20 <@Dagmar> Ya get flaming logs up in the air, and new trees will sprout up, grow up to that high, burst into flames again
12:21 <@Corydon76-home> News says there's a big Kurdish community in the area
12:21 <@Dagmar> I had to rush over and help put one out on mc.plugpayplay.com a few nights ago
12:21 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: Let's hope it wasn't some deranged hillbilly deciding he didn't want "those musmlims" around
12:22 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: after two apt fires on the same day, that's one helluva coincidence
12:22 <@Dagmar> ware: It was pretty hilarious tho.  I heard the guys talking about removing a section of forest, one of them says "Well, I'll just burn it down that will be faster"
12:22 <@Dagmar> I'm like "Nooo!  Don't do it that way!  *WHOOSH* eight people disconnected.
12:22 <@Dagmar> All those updates flooded their pipes
12:23 <@Dagmar> Entire damn hillside in flames
12:23 <@Dagmar> That chain reactions like that can happen in a simulated environment is pretty cool.
12:24 <@Dagmar> That various bugs make them into a permanent feature unlesss you clean it up, not so good
12:37 <@ware> aiight
12:37 <@ware> hahaha
12:37 <@ware> thats funny
12:38 <@ware> holy fuckin shit
12:38 <@ware> HOLY
12:38 <@ware> SHIT
12:38 <@ware> i think its working
12:38 <@ware> hahahaha
12:38 <@ware> can you see if you cna login?
12:38 <@ware> phneak.net:3389
12:42 <@Dagmar> Just a moment, undoing some beach vandalism
12:48 <@ware> k
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13:00 <@Dagmar> Awwww
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13:17 <@ware> its up now
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14:03 <@ware> Dagmar: MC normally use 560MB of ram?
14:03 <@ware> lol
14:08 <@Dagmar> It allocates quite a bit when you have view distance set to far
14:08 <@Dagmar> Theres' no shortcuts to rendering in that thing
14:08 <@Dagmar> If you're looking at a 300 cube area, that's 300x300x300
14:09 <@Dagmar> That's 25Mb sucked down right there
14:09 <@Dagmar> The chunks are either 512 or 1024 on a side.  Can't remember
14:10 <@Dagmar> The advantage to voxels is that the rendering speed is more or less fixed
14:14 <@ware> ahh gotcha
14:17 < VampirePenguin> hey hi Dagmar ware
14:17 <@ware> howdy
14:17 < VampirePenguin> hows going
14:17 < VampirePenguin> ya know i dont know if you all are guys or gals
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14:18 < VampirePenguin> there seem to be quite a few gals in this group
14:18 < VampirePenguin> thats diff compared to other computer groups
14:20 < VampirePenguin> damn thats alot of time.. im using both modems to u/l...cut off 66 hrs
14:23 <@ware> Dagmar: so im in a dark cave and cant get out
14:23 <@ware> cant die
14:23 <@ware> cant figure out how to respawn
14:23 <@ware> cant kill from admin
14:23 <@ware> any suggestions
14:24 <@ware> rofl just dug straight down til i found lava, and now im on fire
14:24 <@ware> hahahaha
14:24 < Vyrus001> ghahah
14:24 < Vyrus001> minecraft causes cancer
14:25 <@ware> rofl
14:25 <@ware> wouldnt doubt it
14:25 < VampirePenguin> any one know of anyone who needs 720? GB 3.5" hdd
14:25 < VampirePenguin> sata
14:28 <@ware> wait
14:45 <@Dagmar> Argh
14:45 <@Dagmar> These robitussin pills are ruthless when you take a full dose
14:45 <@Dagmar> Good thing I only took half a dose at work yesterday
14:45 <@Dagmar> Time for me to have a lie down so my eyes will stop crossing up
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14:58 < uSynx> up
14:58 < uSynx> wtf PPPoE over WIFI
14:59 < uSynx> thats odd, now how am i going to use my wifi router in client mode
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15:46 < VampirePenguin> uSynx, probably have to lower mtu's also
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15:54 <@ware> Vyrus001: phneak.net:3389 for minecraft
15:55 < uSynx> figured as such
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15:57 <@ware> :P
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20:54 <@mfph> yeah. so i got the mail processing dialed in, sat in some meetins, came home, pipe busted. set mode +plumber, fixed that shit. where mai beers?!
21:09 <@sdodson> ugh, so tired
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21:59 < Mercster> Greg Giraldo, comedian, dead at 44
22:00 < Mercster> suck
22:58 <@sdodson> I can't remember if he was funny or not.
22:58 < Mercster> he was
22:58 < Mercster> very funny
22:58 <@sdodson> o h i remeber him, he wasn't too bad
22:59 <@sdodson> overdose, oh well
22:59 < Mercster> drugs are bad, mmmkaaaaay
23:00 < Mercster> i first saw him on colin quinn's last call show
23:00 < Mercster> then enjoyed his contribution to roasts on comedy central
23:01 < Mercster> he was always very funny
23:01 <@sdodson> i think i suck at starcraft2
23:01 <@sdodson> clearly i just need a new video card then i'll dominate
23:02 < Mercster> yeah throw money at the problem
23:02 < Mercster> that'll fix it
23:05 <@sdodson> yup
23:05 <@sdodson> i'm glad you understand
23:12 <@sdodson> http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?play=1&video=1602416280&__source=yahooheadlinequotevideo&par=yahoo&ref=nf  not sure i like him saying we destroy value
23:14 < Mercster> do people still watch that waterhead?
23:14 < Mercster> i thought he was entirely discredited at some point a couple years ago
23:15 <@sdodson> he's pretty hard to listen to, i wouldn't bother if it weren't about my employer
23:16 < Mercster> why does he have a picture of mao on his desk
23:19 < Mercster> heh, fedora
23:21 < Mercster> i dont know much about money or economics, cute to hear 'linux' and 'fedora' in media tho
23:22 <@sdodson> fedora.org != fedora
23:22 <@sdodson> i think that used to be a goatse'esque site
23:23 < Mercster> i think that cramer guy was pretty positive about redhat, not sure you're upset about
23:24 <@sdodson> Mercster: We say that we create value, his intro was all about destroying value.
23:25 < Mercster> i dont even know wtf any of that means
23:27 <@sdodson> me either, goodnight
23:27 < Mercster> seeya
23:27 <@sdodson> though i'm quite happy to see our stock up $10 over the past month or two
23:28 <@sdodson> eh, who could go wrong witha P/E ratio of 93.3
23:29 <@Gerdesas> be nice if they'd push el6 one of these months :)
23:30 <@sdodson> roflmao
23:31 <@sdodson> I've never understood desktop tweakers
23:32 <@sdodson> It's all just decorations around firefox and terminals, who gives a fuck.
23:32 <@Gerdesas> heh.
23:32 < Mercster> i have a very good friend who still runs fvwm2
23:32 <@Gerdesas> don't let Kofler or the other kde nuts hear you say that.
23:32 < Mercster> kde is crap
23:33 < Mercster> i also knew miguel de icaza while he was developing gnome, ive always uised it
23:33 <@sdodson> I mean i can understand differences in behavior, but for the most part people seem to really obsess (sp?) about silly meaningless window decorations and desktop widgets that remind them what speed cpu they bought
23:33 <@sdodson> i don't like kde either
23:34 <@Gerdesas> I don't like X.  When absolutely forced to use it I'll stick with xfce.
23:34 < Mercster> xfce is decent
23:34 <@sdodson> What would you use other than X? OSX?
23:34 <@Gerdesas> And even then, I disable the few window dressings it has.
23:34 <@Gerdesas> screen :)
23:35 <@sdodson> so you set your video mode to some outrageously high dimensions or something and then just window within screen?
23:36 < Mercster> people who hate GUIs dont impress me
23:36 <@Gerdesas> vconsoles with screen running on most of 'em.
23:36 <@sdodson> Mercster: ya, i'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt though
23:36 < Mercster> do what you like, but dont pretend to be "above it all"
23:36 < Mercster> GUIs are useful
23:36 <@Gerdesas> when I need X I run xming on the winblows desktop and tunnel back when I need.
23:37 <@Gerdesas> s/when/what/
23:37 <@sdodson> saying winblows is another pet peeve of mine
23:37  * sdodson full of rage
23:37 < Mercster> settle down
23:38 < Mercster> im running win7 on my new PC
23:38 < Mercster> it's decent
23:38 <@sdodson> me too
23:38 <@sdodson> i just got done sucking at starcraft
23:38 <@sdodson> 2
23:38 <@Gerdesas> I've been calling it winblows since 3.1; not likely to change as it's an ingrained habit.
23:38 < Mercster> got FC12 on the netbook
23:38 <@sdodson> i got deeznutz on the laptop
23:38 <@sdodson> actually RHEL6
23:39 <@Gerdesas> sdodson: So you work for RH?
23:39 <@sdodson> ya
23:39 <@Gerdesas> NC or elsewhere?
23:39 <@sdodson> Ya, In Raleigh.
23:39 <@Gerdesas> (not trying to pry, feel free to tell me to f off :) )
23:40 < Mercster> one time when i was between jobs i app,lied at redhat. one day after i accepted a position with a telecom company in iowa, RH called me back for an interview
23:40 < Mercster> i had to tell the poor secretary "sorry, i already accepted another position"
23:40 < Mercster> this was in ahhh, 2000 or so
23:40 <@sdodson> when galgoci was 9
23:41 <@Gerdesas> Cool.  I don't see their stock tanking anytime soon :)
23:41 <@sdodson> actually i think he's older than me.
23:41  * sdodson hopes not
23:41 <@Gerdesas> heh
23:42 <@Gerdesas> I may not agree with all of their business decisions and direction, but Whitehurst continues to keep it profitable.
23:42 <@sdodson> http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2010/09/29/the-first-domino-falls-oracle-loses-a-part-of-sun.aspx
23:42 <@sdodson> What decisions has Whitehurst made that you don't agree with?
23:43 <@Gerdesas> Nothing major, and perhaps it's more from what they've acquired and got stuck with, but one that jumps out is virtual management tools that are windows-only.
23:44 <@Gerdesas> brb - need to take out the mutt.
23:44 <@sdodson> Ya, that's unfortunate but waiting years to go after VMWare's market share doesn't make sense either.
23:45 <@Gerdesas> Sigh, not he doesn't want to go out.  Neurotic dog :(
23:45 <@Gerdesas> s/not/now
23:45 <@Gerdesas> I can see that reasoning, yes.
23:46 <@Gerdesas> And speaking of virtulization...  I like Xen.  A *lot*.
23:46 <@sdodson> https://fedorahosted.org/ovirt/  looked very promising though
23:46 <@sdodson> Why Xen?
23:46 <@Gerdesas> There is still a very large niche for Xen with currently entrenched infra that is not going to be supported under kvm.
23:47 <@Gerdesas> I realize it's not their preferred target sector, but it's somewhat irritating that they are officially dropping native xen support.
23:47 <@sdodson> Any server grade hardware produced in the past 4 years has kvm support.
23:47 <@sdodson> Xen didn't play with with Linux.
23:48 <@sdodson> play well with
23:48 <@Gerdesas> Sure, but lets face it, in the real world there is a metric fuck ton of older hardware still in use and that's not likely to change anytime soon.
23:48 <@Gerdesas> Xen played fine with it.  Politics upstream is what cemented its fate with RH.
23:48 <@sdodson> Old hardware with gobs of ram you'd want to run your virt platform on? I don't think so.
23:48 <@Gerdesas> Heh.  I do.  I support it.  It's what keeps me fed and dry.
23:48 <@sdodson> RHEL5 still provides Xen and that'll never change.
23:49 <@Gerdesas> For the lifetime and whatever ES agreement is whipped up in 3 years.
23:49 <@Gerdesas> And there will be alternate kernels with domO support.  But it's just a shame to have to go out-of-distro for it.
23:50 <@sdodson> So you'll want to run your virt platform on 7 year old hardware 3 years from now?
23:50 <@Gerdesas> I have clients that see no reason to upgrade or migrate off of that which is not broken.
23:51 <@sdodson> Not being able to get replacement parts seems like a good enough reason to me.
23:51 <@Gerdesas> Some of these same clients till have HP k-3xx chassis and SCO boxen in production.
23:51 <@sdodson> Even with extended support contracts I don't know of any vendors that extend things beyond 5yrs.
23:52 < Mercster> id agree with Gerdesas here
23:53 <@Gerdesas> *nod*
23:53 <@Gerdesas> But there is, as I said, a niche market that will not, or in some cases, can not, upgrade hardware in the current business climate.
23:53 < Mercster> it's all well and good to focus your business on shops that arent entrenched and have the capital to buy new hardware and rely on virtualization
23:54 < Mercster> but there are many companies out there running fine on old IBM and HP iron and arent in a position to migrate to another platform
23:54 <@Gerdesas> If they can scrape by for another 2-3 years on existing infra and roll those savings back into other aspects of the business they won't hesitate to do so.
23:55 <@sdodson> I've recently come to realize that hardware is pretty much the cheapest way to fix things.
23:55 < Mercster> you have a company that has several millions of lines of code on old iron, if you suggest virtualization to them, they'll laugh at you
23:56 <@sdodson> Mercster: I don't think you've been paying attention.
23:56 < Mercster> the company may have only 3 or 4 people who were around when the original code was written, they're not going to want to spend the capital it would take to buy all the new hardware, PLUS port the code to different architectures
23:57 < Mercster> many shops run on the idea of "if it aint broke, dont fix it"
23:57 <@sdodson> Again, we're talking about stuff that was already on commodity hardware and on Linux.
23:57 < Mercster> okay
23:57 <@sdodson> Or at least I assume as much given Gerdesas was talking about Xen.
23:57 <@Gerdesas> Along those lines I've a client in Tullahoma that is still using SCO and MF Cobol to drive their business and paying roughly $400 an hour for consulting for such things as updating taxation tables.  It's sorta insane.
23:58 <@Gerdesas> sdodson: Correct with regards to the Xen conversation, yes.
23:59 <@sdodson> I've got to go to bed.
23:59 < Mercster> i stopped working just as virtualization became popular. i tried to float the idea that we could replace 20 or so HP 9000s with a big IBM server
23:59 < Mercster> it didnt gain much traction
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