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04:58 <@NotLarry> So I was talking to my friend with the wooden leg, I said "Peg"
05:00 < Mercster> offensive
05:58 <@NotLarry> Whats offensive?
06:00 <@NotLarry> What's offensive is this woman bitching at me because the building is locked down and I suggested she take an entrance that has a card access.  She brings up her knee surgery, I trumped her with my artificial hip, and the fact I had to walk twice the distance she would have.
06:00 <@NotLarry> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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07:16 < Mercster> if i had a million BUCKS
07:16 < Mercster> it wouldnt be ENOUGH
07:16 < Mercster> cuz id still be out ROBBIN ARMORED TRUCKZ
07:17 < Mercster> if i had one WISH
07:17 < Mercster> id ask for a big enough ASS for the WHOLE WORLD TA KISS
07:18 <@NotLarry> you are more then a bit strange you know.
07:20 < Mercster> so i've been told
07:23 <@NotLarry> No, seriously.
07:24 < Mercster> seriously?
07:27 < Mercster> i dunno
07:27 < Mercster> 'seriously' is sort of deceptive
07:27 < Mercster> im often serious and joking at the same time
07:28 < Mercster> the people with no sense of humor will think im joking
07:29 < Mercster> the people with no serious bone in their body will think im being serious
07:29 < Mercster> it doesnt matter to me
07:30 < Mercster> it's possible to be serious while still evoking humor
07:30 < Mercster> 90% of folks dont get it
07:31 <@NotLarry> good, ln -s Mercster /dev/null
07:32 < Mercster> they dont "get it", they choose what side of the issue they'd rather get upset at and act on it
07:32 < Mercster> a good example is dennis miller
07:32 < Mercster> he says serious shit, but he says it in a humorous way
07:33 < Mercster> which is why he's so polarizing
07:33 <@NotLarry> What if the hokey-pokey really is what it's all about?
07:34 < Mercster> if you expect to hear something serious, you'll object to the humor. if you expect to hear comedy, you'll object to the seriousness of the topics he chooses to speak about
07:34 < Mercster> in other words
07:35 < Mercster> most people are fucking stupid, and if you're smart enough to transcend people's expectations, you'll probably end up with unhappy people
07:35 < Mercster> but that doesnt matter to smart folks
07:35 < Mercster> someone wise once said
07:37 < Mercster> you can make all of the people happy some of the time
07:37 < Mercster> and you can make some of the people happy all of the time
07:37 < Mercster> but you can never make all of the people happy all of the time
07:38 < Mercster> and if you try, you're an asshole
07:38 <@NotLarry> So, Mercster, how long have you been on here spewing this bollocks?
07:38 < Mercster> spewing what?
07:39 < Mercster> bollocks are balls, im not spewing any of those
07:40 <@NotLarry> Literal aren't we.
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07:49 < Mercster> nah, i didnt mean to break your stride or anything
07:49 < Mercster> im just sayin, ive known plenty of british people and understand how they usually use 'bollocks'
07:49 < Mercster> and you kinda wrecked it
07:50 < Mercster> but here's what i'd suggest you do
07:50 < Mercster> picture yourself on a boat, on a river
07:50 < Mercster> with tangerine trees
07:50 < Mercster> and marmelade skies
07:51 < Mercster> somebody calls you, you answer quite slowly
07:51 <@NotLarry> This is sounding more and more like barrens chat.
07:51 < Mercster> a girl with kaleidoscope eyes
07:52 <@NotLarry> Next we will have to suffer through chuck norris jokes.
07:52 < Mercster> well, that's cute! i assume you're referring to WoW
07:53 < Mercster> that's the second hilarity ive been accused of, the other was being a 4chan troll
07:53 < Mercster> neither are true, but hey, whatever helps you cope :)
07:53 <@NotLarry> wha?
07:54 < Mercster> i have no affiliation or even a relation to either WoW "barrens chat" or 4chan
07:54 <@NotLarry> You need to lay off the pipe.
07:54 < Mercster> frankly i dont know what either of those are
07:55 < Mercster> the only reason i know what either of those is, is that people with nothing to say throw insults about them
07:55 < Mercster> so i had to do homework
07:56 <@NotLarry> if you think barrens chat or 4chan troll is an insult, you need to do a little more homework.
07:57 <@NotLarry> I want to get back to "helps you cope"  what was that about?
08:00 <@NotLarry> Actually, never mind.  3 pages of drivel is enough.  I got to go back to doing what I'm told.
08:01 < Mercster> byyyeeee
09:16 <@sdodson> yup
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12:22 <@Dagmar> Perhaps less context-less quoting of old songs will help you look like less of a curmudgeon
12:23 <@Dagmar> Because you know, occasionally meaningful conversation happens in here, but no one's going to even see it in the scrollback for 100 lines of fucking Beatles and Metallica lyrics
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13:45 < Gerdesas> meaningful conversation?  IRC?  wow, I've apparently been missing out.
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14:10 <@Dagmar> We've not been intolerant enough of the bad behaviours.
14:10 <@Dagmar> That's going to change.
14:10 <@Dagmar> I'm also about sick of this bullshit penny-ante cocktard entitlement shit
14:11 <@Dagmar> The fucking world will go on without Phreaknic
14:11 <@Dagmar> If no one wants to do the shit, then fine
14:13 <@Dagmar> Acting like a petulant bitch about something you're treating as an "investment" or a "resume item" as if you're doing the fucking thing for absolutely altruistic reasons...
14:13 <@Dagmar> That shit is done.
14:13 <@Dagmar> I'm calling it out on the spot from now on.
14:13 <@Dagmar> It's a big fucking source of drama and I don't care for it.
14:14 <@coil_> ya perm ban merc plz
14:16 <@Dagmar> Clearly, some motherfuckers are letting things take on more importance than they deserve if I have to TELL someone I'm pouring gasoline on a fire
14:16 < Gerdesas> where is this drama taking place?
14:16 <@Dagmar> Mainly on the list
14:16 <@Dagmar> There's no way Skydog should have taken the comment I made in here yesterday seriously
14:17 <@Lissa> well..he's kind of a twit.
14:17 <@Dagmar> That he thought it was shows we've let the drama bullshit fester for too long.
14:17 <@Lissa> and god forbid anyone attack his ego
14:17 < Gerdesas> I assume that this is not one of the se2600.org lists then.
14:17 <@Dagmar> No, it is
14:17 <@Lissa> yeh..it is
14:18 <@coil_> i dont read them
14:18 <@Dagmar> There was a bunch of butthurt nonsense over meeting minutes
14:18 < Gerdesas> Hmm, I thought I was on the appropriate lists and I'm not see any traffic.
14:18 <@Lissa> because they were late
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14:18 <@Dagmar> ...and THE ENTIRE scope of the matter that was the _reason_ there was butthurtness was something that was more funny than problematic
14:18 <@Dagmar> So like, the dunking booth apparently has some association with One In Teen.
14:18 <@Dagmar> This is no big deal.
14:19 <@Dagmar> That someone from here has tried to get Cap'n Crunch to show up to PN, also not really that big of a deal
14:19 <@polerin> Dagmar: wait what?
14:19 <@polerin> who's upset about the one in teen?
14:19 <@Dagmar> The combination of the two doesn't necessarily mean a goddamn thing, but it *is* twistedly funny
14:19 <@polerin> I was exhausted yesterday, faceplanted
14:20 <@Dagmar> polerin: The Cap'n likes little boys.
14:20  * polerin headdesks
14:20 <@Dagmar> So, such a thing could look bad in that someone could make a lot of campy jokes about it, some of which I'm sure I'll make anyway
14:20 <@Dagmar> It wasn't fucking worth acting butthurt about late minutes JUST so that someone could carp abou ti
14:21 <@Lissa> i agree.
14:21 <@polerin> so wait, THAT was the gripe?
14:21 <@Dagmar> Apparently so
14:21 < Gerdesas> Ok, not to beat a, for me anyway, head horse, can someone enlighten me as to what list this is taking place on?  I am concerned that I may be missing traffic.  It's also entirely possible I'm just a moron and not on the referenced list.
14:21 <@polerin> I heard that they were griping about it, not on the list (need to fix that)
14:21 <@Dagmar> That could have been brought up at any time.  It didn't need the minutes going out for someone to bring it up.
14:21 <@Lissa> root...nashville2600
14:22 <@Dagmar> Gerdesas: S'okay man it's been like a decade before anyone running one of the list servers has done anything like "Use this one here, guys" banner-waving
14:22 <@Lissa> http://list.nashville2600.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/root
14:23 < Gerdesas> I'm on that one supposedly.
14:23 <@Dagmar> I'm fully expecting some people to see this in their scrollback, by the way.  I'm not hiding behind a keyboard.
14:23 <@Dagmar> I just didn't feel like bringing this shit up at the meeting until I had more time to chew on it
14:24 <@Dagmar> Plus everyone's already too fuckin' keyed up
14:25 <@Dagmar> I thought the chances of getting people to STFU and not attempt to rebut things while I'm in mid-sentence to be approximately zero, or I'd have thrown down the gauntlet on the "funk" question
14:26 <@polerin> funk?
14:26 <@polerin> Dagmar: so let me ask, is the issue that it was with 1 in teen, or that it was with one in teen AND
14:26 <@Dagmar> Drama about who is fuckin' who has two solutions, one of which is shutting the fuck up about who is fucking who and the other is to learn some goddamn discretion
14:26 <@polerin> brb
14:27 <@Dagmar> polerin: That it looked like we were asking a known pedophile to show up while we're sort-of-kinda partnered with 1-in-teen
14:27 <@Dagmar> Oh wait, the third is for people to stop fuckin' each other
14:28 <@Lissa> that's just because it's a conflict of interest for an officer of the organization to be fucking another officer....
14:28 <@Lissa> and it causes drama.
14:28 <@Dagmar> It's also silly territorial bullshit
14:28 <@Lissa> a lot. of drama.
14:30 <@polerin> back
14:30 <@Dagmar> Imma be just a great big dick by October's meeting I suspect
14:30  * polerin refrains from commenting
14:30 <@polerin> :D
14:31 <@Dagmar> Well, someone's gotta address the over-arching themes that are causing grief.  Might as well be m
14:31 < Gerdesas> Oh, there seems to be much confusion and idiocy on my part.  I sub'd to the se2600.org lists yesterday and not the nashville2600.org lists.  Fixing.  Thank you for pointing that out :)
14:31 <@Dagmar> e
14:31 <@polerin> Dagmar: I've tried :P
14:31 <@Lissa> heh
14:31 <@Dagmar> Gerdesas: Yeah no worries.  Like I said, no one's waved the banner about which list to be on for what in years
14:31 < VampirePenguin> oh the room is moving... hello folks
14:32 <@polerin> no the channel is staying put.  your brain is moving
14:32 <@Dagmar> polerin: Juuuust wind me up and watch me go, soon here.  Heh
14:32 <@coil_> this isn't a room
14:32 <@coil_> this is a channel
14:32 <@Dagmar> Actually, don't wind me up.  I'll already be pretty wound up
14:32 <@Lissa> but I use AOL...it's a room
14:32 <@Lissa> :P
14:32 <@Dagmar> I thought they were finally shutting that thing down
14:32 < VampirePenguin> its 1 & 0s in various orders really but lets not get technical
14:33 <@coil_> well its not a fucking room ok
14:33 <@Dagmar> It's a fucking channel.
14:33 < VampirePenguin> lol
14:33 <@Lissa> oh dear god i hope not
14:33 <@Dagmar> Don't get pedantic with people who pre-date AOL.
14:33  * Lissa hides eyes
14:33 <@polerin> Dagmar: you can address the endemic sexism and misogyny, and the fact we are mostly lilly white too, but that's a harder fight XD
14:34 <@Dagmar> Not actually seeing that much misogeny
14:34  * Dagmar casts a look in ware's direction
14:34 <@polerin> Dagmar: When the owner of javanco is cornered in a hallway and has 30 men chanting at her to flash them?  :P
14:35 <@Dagmar> Hm... That I didn't know about.
14:35 <@polerin> there's structural issues, but mostly its ignoring or downplaying individual actions
14:35 <@polerin> pn .. err.. 11?  I think?
14:35 <@Lissa> 10
14:35  * polerin nods
14:35 <@Dagmar> I happen to like that girl.
14:35 <@Lissa> i gave her a beer later
14:35 <@Lissa> and we talked about the assholery
14:35 <@polerin> she was talking to them about javanco, but all they wanted was boobs.
14:36 <@polerin> they didn't care about anything else from her :P
14:36 <@polerin> and this is just an example, this shit goes on all day every day
14:36 <@Dagmar> Anyone doing things that make girls I like upset perhaps needs to re-familiarize themselves with the traditional rules of risk-assessment.
14:36 <@polerin> anyway
14:36 < VampirePenguin> so what is the "channel" about i found it on nlug as a link?
14:36 <@Dagmar> polerin: What, in a hallway?
14:36 <@Lissa> like..on the last email from skydog...he assumes all presidents of the organization are going to be male
14:37 <@polerin> Dagmar: that's the thing, it's NOT that risky to be a sexist asshole in this group.  there are very few people who will say anything about it in a negative way, and lots of people who prop up the behavior by laughing.
14:37 <@Dagmar> If you're aobut to carp about the use of the masculine pronoun I'm going to say things which will be hurtful.
14:37 <@polerin> :P
14:37 <@polerin> no
14:37 <@polerin> I'm not talking about assumed gender, that's a result of the underlying mindset :)
14:37 <@Dagmar> polerin: Ya should point out that they're acting like fucking frat boys when they do shit like that
14:37 <@Lissa> no...i just know from personal experience that particular person is probably one of the largest misogynistic, homophobes i've ever met.
14:37 <@Dagmar> We're better htan frat boys
14:37 <@polerin> Dagmar: I do.  I get called a bullshit feminist
14:37 <@polerin> heh
14:37 < Gerdesas> Ok, I'm an outsider.  But sexism needs to DIATF.
14:38 <@Dagmar> Nah you gotta draw an unquestionable parallel between them and a social group they despise.
14:38 < Gerdesas> And anyone promoting such needs to join.
14:38 <@Lissa> for a second there i thought the bullshit feminist comment came from Dag
14:38 <@polerin> :D
14:38 <@Dagmar> Show 'em how they're behaving like people they don't like.
14:38 <@Lissa> i was like...ok
14:38 <@polerin> lol no I think that was RocketDog
14:39 <@Dagmar> Or pick someone, take them under your arm, and ask them very cordially about how they feel about bein set on fire.
14:39 < Gerdesas> Dagmar: +1
14:39 < VampirePenguin> the east coast in general has more of a glass ceiling than the west, at least in my travels. they are more liberal and less old boy cultured.
14:39 <@Dagmar> You can't really pull off that last one because you lack the "naturally scary" aspect
14:39 <@polerin> Dagmar: see, I'm just not that threatening in person
14:39 <@Lissa> k...what is the T?  I know DIAF....
14:39 < Gerdesas> Tire
14:39 <@Lissa> Ah.
14:40 <@Lissa> burns hotter
14:40 <@Lissa> :)
14:40 <@Dagmar> ...but you could definitely make some people feel bad by pointing out that they're acting like retarded frat boys straight out of a shitty GGW video
14:40 < Gerdesas> http://www.shsu.edu/~rjm002/diatf.png
14:40 <@Lissa> haha
14:40 <@polerin> at least to most people.  Well, other than to people who are freaked out by my being trans :P
14:41 <@Dagmar> I geuss they're too worried they might accidentally have sex with someone?
14:42 <@Dagmar> cuz you know, that stuff happens all the time
14:42 < Gerdesas> it's easy to slip and fall in.
14:42 < Gerdesas> happens all the time.
14:42 <@Dagmar> Get careless crossing the street, trip over a rock, and land balls deep in a gay man's ass, yeah... that happens al lthe time
14:42 <@polerin> lol
14:42 <@polerin> I bet it does
14:42 <@Dagmar> No wait, that's actually ludicrous
14:43 < VampirePenguin> so does the lack of answering my question about what this channel about means there is not a particular "purpose" despite it being on nlugs site?
14:43 <@polerin> VampirePenguin: or that we didn't see it
14:43 <@Lissa> we hang out...we talk...we bitch....we make fun of one another.
14:44 <@Lissa> we talk about PN
14:44 <@polerin> VampirePenguin: this is south eastern 2600 which is currently embroiled in a pointless drama shitfest about phreaknic, the convention nashville's 2600 org throws
14:44 <@polerin> and occasionally we talk about tech.
14:44 <@polerin> heh
14:44 < VampirePenguin> ive heared of phreaknic and looked at its website
14:44 <@polerin> I'm sorry
14:44 < VampirePenguin> fwiw im in nash
14:44 <@polerin> figured from nlug
14:45 < Gerdesas> I'm not in nashville :)
14:45 <@Lissa> i am
14:45 < VampirePenguin> ive only been to a few things from it
14:45 <@Dagmar> VampirePenguin: There's no charter, no mission statement, and barely any rules beyond "do not be a gratuitous dick" and "do not do things that disrupt the channel" which is sort of inclusive of a lot of things, particularly not going terminally stupid and defacing websites with "w00 w000 #se2600 rawkz yer bawkx"
14:45 < Gerdesas> I'm in the middle of bumblefuck Manchster on a farm.
14:45 <@Lissa> yay manchester
14:45 < VampirePenguin> i actually talk more to my old lug because it is friendlier and more knowledgeable than this one in town
14:45 < Gerdesas> for some values of "yay", yes. :)
14:45 <@Dagmar> VampirePenguin: This one had the same problem as what Linux Journal has
14:46 < VampirePenguin> i didnt hear about their issue
14:46 <@Dagmar> Along the spectrum of knowledge levels, we've got two peaks.
14:46 < VampirePenguin> no overall im prety easy going but i stand up to assholes
14:46 < Gerdesas> VampirePenguin: get off it.
14:46 <@Dagmar> One at hte very bottom, where all the critical stupid people are...
14:46 <@polerin> Dagmar: also "No *.gov and no *.mil
14:46 <@polerin> "
14:46 < Gerdesas> *I* am likely the only one that doesn't like you.  Don't blame that on the entire LUG.
14:46 < VampirePenguin> i dont like cyber bullies and knowitalls who are condescending
14:46 <@polerin> "leave them the fuck alone"
14:46 <@Dagmar> ...and one at damn near the top, populated by a bunch of guys who probably know >90% of everything there is to know
14:47 <@Dagmar> Virtually nothing in the middle area
14:47  * polerin is in the middle :D
14:47 < Gerdesas> And also don't drag your drama in here, please.  We can, if you want, discuss this on #nlug.
14:47 <@polerin> I'm so loooannnnlllyyy
14:47 < VampirePenguin> so you all are related to phreaknic
14:47 <@Dagmar> The people at the top can't really teach each other much of anything because they're already pretty knowledgeable, the people at the bottom can't keep up with them for more than about twenty seconds, and the the people at the bottom can't teach each other anyhting because they're too damn lazy to read
14:47 <@polerin> I am.  She's my sister.
14:47 <@Lissa> not everyone in here..but a lot
14:48 <@polerin> bleh.  need food
14:48 <@polerin> Dagmar: btw, fuck windows 7
14:48 <@Dagmar> Only in the sense that most southerners are probably more related than they'd like to admit
14:48 < Gerdesas> Dagmar: that same thing exists in most tech areas.  Especially the part of "too damned lazy to read".
14:48 <@Dagmar> polerin: Pfft.  Works for me
14:48 <@polerin> the os is nice, but goddamn that install was the worst bullshit I've ever had to do
14:48 < VampirePenguin> im just trying to find a group of ppl that like computers, like linux/bsd and hang out once in while
14:49 < Gerdesas> There exists a huge entitlement mentality these days that's just annoying as hell.
14:49 < VampirePenguin> other than that you do your thing ill do mine
14:49 <@Dagmar> Oh yeah the install takes for goddamn ever and there's one point where it looks like it's doing not a goddamn thing for like 20 minutes
14:49 <@polerin> between it not partitioning correctly (and not giving you the tools to easily partition it yourself)
14:49 <@polerin> no
14:49 <@polerin> Seriously, it kept erroring out
14:49 < VampirePenguin> is it ssd
14:49 <@Dagmar> VampirePenguin: Sounds like you'll do fuckin' fine around here then
14:49 < VampirePenguin> thats cool Dagmar
14:49 < Gerdesas> From the sounds of it "fucking" might be used in the literal sense :)
14:49 < VampirePenguin> i just like to shoot the shit
14:50 < VampirePenguin> polerin,
14:50 <@polerin> I had to build an install disk out of a spare hdd I had running around and hook up internally.  the USB->SATA, DVD, and USB keys all errored at the same place
14:50 <@Dagmar> So what were you fuckin' up?
14:51 <@Dagmar> ;)
14:51 <@polerin> nothing
14:51 < VampirePenguin> well if it is ssd gparted and gdisk can only handle them... c/fdisk will destroy the mappings
14:51 <@Dagmar> I didn't really have any problems installing Win7 Ultimate
14:51 < Gerdesas> Hmm, She Whom Must Be Obeyed is dropping hints about how it is the perfect weather to be outside cutting far, far, too much lawn.
14:51 <@polerin> same drive that was on the usb->sata worked fine when on a sata port on the mobo
14:52 <@Corydon76-dig> Sorry, was reading back.  The drama is long since over, but some people are still grousing about it
14:52 <@Dagmar> Of course, I also know from long experience to just give it the first goddamn partition on a disk because it's likely to fuck anything else up
14:52 < VampirePenguin> Dagmar, drinking kawfee with irish creme milk
14:52 < VampirePenguin> yum
14:52 <@polerin> Dagmar: did that
14:52 <@Dagmar> I take it you skipped over that particular detail?
14:52 <@polerin> nope
14:52 <@Dagmar> Hmm... New ways for Microsoft to fuck up
14:52 <@polerin> I wiped the drive.
14:52 <@Dagmar> Who'd have expected that. ;)
14:52 <@polerin> hah
14:52 <@polerin> yeah
14:53 <@polerin> pure bullshit fuckery.  I stayed up all night fucking with it the other night.
14:53 <@polerin> just got up about an hour ago after crashing
14:53 < VampirePenguin> gpt is larger than mbr and needs a special ee partition 1 mb in size... grub recommends strongly a seaparte /boot... installs are normal after that
14:53 <@Corydon76-dig> VampirePenguin: welcome.  Hope you can make it out to the next meeting and to PhreakNIC
14:54 <@Dagmar> VampirePenguin: One of the things we don't do is even TRY to get grub/lilo involved at first
14:54 < VampirePenguin> i dont know where it is
14:54 < VampirePenguin> well sys/ext/iso are all recoded for gpt
14:54 < VampirePenguin> and uei
14:55 <@Dagmar> Frankly I'd kinda like to stab grub in the face on principle, but expecting Windows to not fuck up if you don't let it molest your MBR during the install is foolish.
14:55 < VampirePenguin> i was reading something about adobe sabotaging the mbr so ppl cant copy their stuff
14:55 <@polerin> VampirePenguin: this is a winders box.  gaming and school shit. I've got my nix box next to me
14:55 < VampirePenguin> and then you cant boot
14:56 < VampirePenguin> im clueless at gaming... my bil.. he uses parallels with his huge imac
14:56 <@Dagmar> VampirePenguin: Probably urban legend
14:56 < VampirePenguin> the sights on the sharpshooters are plate size
14:56 <@Dagmar> That would sort of be a felony for them to do that for any reason
14:57 < VampirePenguin> i think it was in one of the major computer mags... i dont remember
14:57 < VampirePenguin> it was within last week or so
14:57 <@Dagmar> The only thing Adobe does that I'm aware of is that they've got a more stringent check than it would at first appear for detecting keygens
14:58 <@Dagmar> ...so if you install one of their products and use a keygenned key, it'll quietly phone home every time you start it
14:58 < VampirePenguin> i use flpsed, pdfs and okular
14:58 < VampirePenguin> along with djvu
14:58 < VampirePenguin> my baby tex
14:58 <@Dagmar> Seriously.
14:59 < VampirePenguin> ya
14:59 < VampirePenguin> flpsed you can make a non fillable pdf fillable
14:59 < VampirePenguin> it works at ps level
14:59 <@Dagmar> The DOJ would cornhole some execs for being even remotely involved in something that _fatally sabotages machines_ for any reason
14:59 < VampirePenguin> oh the adobe thing
14:59 < VampirePenguin> let me see if i can find
14:59 <@polerin> Dagmar: you know who else does that?
14:59 <@Dagmar> It's a clear violation of the law from 1976
15:00 <@polerin> .. goddamnit I just forgot the name of the app.
15:00 <@Dagmar> polerin: No one but malware authors
15:00 <@Dagmar> Hell, you rememer the gov't getting out the barrels and rope when it was brought to their attention that Sony was installing rootkits on people's machines without warning through their audio CDs
15:00 <@polerin> Dagmar: I mean the phone back/soft detection
15:00 <@Dagmar> polerin: Probably Microsoft as well
15:01 < VampirePenguin> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/08/28/2112208/Some-Windows-Apps-Make-GRUB-2-Unbootable
15:01 <@polerin> Dagmar: ableton
15:01 <@Dagmar> To my knowledge it doesn't violate any laws at all for pirated software to rat you out
15:01 <@polerin> I donno that they are ratting you out, but they are definitly doing a soft detect
15:01 < VampirePenguin> i still dont trust sony
15:02 <@polerin> lets you install and use, then throws a "hey buy this" error every once in awhile
15:02 <@polerin> getting more and more frequent as you use it
15:02 <@polerin> so you get annoyed enough to buy it ;p
15:02 <@Dagmar> VampirePenguin: Judging from the date on that, I suspect he's not real sure yet what he's seeing
15:03 <@Dagmar> If something's doing that tho, it's gotta be a new thing, and smething that whoeevre's doing it will probably decide to stop using once it's made clear to them that it doesn't work properly
15:03 < VampirePenguin> ya i would say its not confirmed more rumour and maybe a is doing b
15:03 <@Dagmar> There's legal liability in doing something that can break the machine
15:04 < VampirePenguin> the dcma
15:04 < VampirePenguin> or smething
15:04 < Gerdesas> There've been cases with copy protection schemes in the last 10 years that have caused issues at the OS level with regards to replaced drivers and such.  Not sure where the most recent class-action regarding that issue stands now.  So there is *some* (for small values of "some") precedent.
15:05 < VampirePenguin> Corydon76-dig, do you an url for meetings and such
15:05 <@Corydon76-dig> http://www.nashville2600.org/
15:06 <@polerin> it's similar to the fact you can't booby trap your home to be lethal for anybody breaking in
15:06 <@Dagmar> VampirePenguin: No seriously, in the eyes of the law there's not a lot of difference between outright malware, and software that does shit the user isn't likely to know about without telling the user explicitly about it
15:06 < Gerdesas> Ok, She Whom Must Be Obeyed is making it quite clear that I should be outside with a lawn mower.  G'day folks.
15:06  * Gerdesas &
15:06 <@polerin> there's liability in doing that too.. if you hurt someone, you hurt someone. :p
15:06 < VampirePenguin> got it ty
15:07 <@polerin> shooting people back later
15:07 <@Corydon76-dig> VampirePenguin: meetings are actually published in 2600 magazine and are available at their site
15:07 < VampirePenguin> okay ill look around
15:07 <@Corydon76-dig> http://www.2600.com/meetings/mtg.html
15:08 < VampirePenguin> thats just down the road
15:09 <@Corydon76-dig> Just down the road from Vandy
15:09 < VampirePenguin> ya im 1.7 mi from vandy
15:09 <@Corydon76-dig> Ah, cool
15:09 < VampirePenguin> i see the batman bldg
15:09 <@Dagmar> I'm 1.7 feet from Vandy
15:09 <@Corydon76-dig> I was wondering if your nick was in any relation to the VAMPIRE cluster at Vandy
15:09 < VampirePenguin> no
15:09 < VampirePenguin> i used to work nights
15:09 < VampirePenguin> its a play on ViViViPirePenguin
15:09 <@Corydon76-dig> Ah, heh
15:10 < VampirePenguin> whcih if you have seen rms church of st ignacious
15:10 < VampirePenguin> penguin of the beast
15:10 < VampirePenguin> lol
15:11 < VampirePenguin> ya i havent taken the time to swipe some internet bandwidth from vandy my uplink sux
15:11 < VampirePenguin> the cafe has a special character in their router and i cant log on i just havent taken time to find the keybind
15:12 <@Dagmar> huh?
15:12 <@Dagmar> What cafe?
15:12 < VampirePenguin> up edgehill... across from maacitos
15:12 < VampirePenguin> which btw is fantastic
15:12 < VampirePenguin> called edgehill cafe
15:12 < VampirePenguin> they have free wifi there
15:12 < VampirePenguin> same as the subway on 21st
15:13 < VampirePenguin> towards brdwy
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15:13 < VampirePenguin> i had comcrap when i moved in
15:13 <@Dagmar> Oh now I see what place you're talking about
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15:14 <@Dagmar> I generally like to not cross 17th in that direction.
15:14 < VampirePenguin> till they gave me the wrong modem and blew out my whole bldg then wouldnt come fix mine for a week after their tech blew mine out the next day but fixed the bldg
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15:14 < VampirePenguin> music row
15:14 < VampirePenguin> its not that bad
15:14 < VampirePenguin> dont walk alone at night
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15:15 <@Dagmar> It's not, but the neighborhood on the far side IS that bad
15:15 < VampirePenguin> i live there
15:15 < VampirePenguin> its not
15:15 <@Dagmar> I work over on Peabody campus and leave the office at 12:30am, plus I've hung out in this neck of the woods for ages
15:15 <@Dagmar> Most of the crime that goes on Music Row is almost all break-ins, and I'm not a house, so no worries there
15:15 < VampirePenguin> oh ok i see the peabody sign on edgehill/21st
15:16 < VampirePenguin> ya on music row.. all those electronics
15:16 < VampirePenguin> common sense dont advertise what you own
15:16 <@Dagmar> ...but there's more than enough "White guy being mugged" crime on the far side of 16th for me to not go there after dark and to be choosy about what I'm doing when I leave work
15:16 < VampirePenguin> or you wont for long
15:16 < VampirePenguin> i do same thing
15:17 < VampirePenguin> after dark i stay home
15:17 <@coil_> http://i.imgur.com/DBDWp.jpg
15:17 < VampirePenguin> im stuck i have no car... i can only use bus
15:18 <@Dagmar> coil: Windows tards
15:19 < VampirePenguin> haha
15:19 <@coil_> yea
15:19 < VampirePenguin> thats good
15:19 <@Dagmar> Not really.
15:19 < VampirePenguin> ya know gimp.. im sorry ive found a new love
15:19 < VampirePenguin> imagemagick
15:19 <@Dagmar> Overuse of other people's memes, and serious factual inaccuracies
15:20 <@Dagmar> Linux isn't a target becasue of "lack of market share".  It's not a target because Windows security is a fucking joke.
15:20 <@Dagmar> ...and Linux actually reacts to security threats within a quarterly cycle.
15:20 < VampirePenguin> usb3
15:20 < VampirePenguin> need i say more
15:21 <@Dagmar> We TURN SHIT OFF when things like dynamic linking turn out to be a problem
15:21 < VampirePenguin> windows no have yet
15:21 <@Dagmar> Fucking no one has that yet basically
15:21 <@Dagmar> Too new.
15:21 < VampirePenguin> pci cards are out
15:21 < VampirePenguin> ive seen a couple products
15:22 <@Dagmar> Yeah but seriously.  way too new for USB3 to be something one should expect support everywhere for
15:22 < VampirePenguin> nods
15:22 <@Dagmar> Maybe by winter tho
15:22 < VampirePenguin> ya but when the "lame" linux ppl have it before windows does
15:23 < VampirePenguin> bouncing off that web page
15:23 <@Dagmar> It's looking like the majority of motherboards manufs will have most of their stuff bearing USB3 chipset for Christmas
15:23 < VampirePenguin> sdxc too
15:23 <@Dagmar> VampirePenguin: The "lame" Linux people generally have drivers for everything, particularly the cheaper hardware.
15:23 < VampirePenguin> which uei got to be coming fast now
15:23 < VampirePenguin> Dagmar, nods
15:24 <@Dagmar> If it's cheap enough to wind up on ebay and the manuf's aren't complete cocks, some Linux head with some free time always winds up owning a few and writing a driver
15:24 < VampirePenguin> thats why gpt is so fun.... my ssds.. like my phenom... i have 7 primary partitions on one drive... 2 primary on the 2nd
15:24 < VampirePenguin> it trips me out
15:25 <@Dagmar> Why'd they use the big sector size on that anyway?
15:25 < VampirePenguin> for 30 yrs logical and extended.. now no more
15:25 < VampirePenguin> its 512
15:25 < VampirePenguin> gpt is larger than mbr and you have to put a 1mb partiton first
15:25 <@Dagmar> Oh you're EFI booting
15:26 < VampirePenguin> labeled as ee or gnu part3ed will label it bios_grub i think
15:26 < VampirePenguin> no im bios booting
15:26 <@Dagmar> Meh well I guess as long as it doesn't catch fire on you
15:26 < VampirePenguin> this is all ssd mapping/geometries
15:26 < VampirePenguin> my ssds fly
15:27 <@Dagmar> Lack of seek times helps yeahg
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15:27 < VampirePenguin> next week i have to i dont craigslist some 320 gb hdds
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15:28 < VampirePenguin> ^know
15:28 < VampirePenguin> once i dban them or dd
15:28 <@Dagmar> Apple needs to quit buying all the goddamn things up
15:29 <@Dagmar> Six fuckin' months now and prices have moved ~4%
15:29 < VampirePenguin> i nkow jobs is big on html5
15:29 < VampirePenguin> no flash
15:30 <@Dagmar> Good call on his part
15:30 < VampirePenguin> it is
15:30 < VampirePenguin> he has always been ahead of the market
15:30 <@polerin> yeh
15:30 < VampirePenguin> more than bill
15:30 <@polerin> well no about the ahead
15:30 < VampirePenguin> bill just steals shit
15:30 <@polerin> but that one was a good call
15:31 < VampirePenguin> and then forms the miaa to stop others
15:31 <@Dagmar> No I mean it's a good call on his part because Flash is far from a "standard"
15:31 <@polerin> yeh
15:31 < VampirePenguin> i cant figure out what some sites are doing because its not flash
15:31 < VampirePenguin> and i cant play it
15:31 < VampirePenguin> usually its videos
15:31 <@Dagmar> The HTML5 shit doesn't suffer from legacy paradigms, and can be implemneted in a much smaller set of code
15:32 < VampirePenguin> nods
15:32 < VampirePenguin> ppl trip when i tell them im paperless
15:39 < VampirePenguin> oh damn there was a mtg last night
15:39 < VampirePenguin> oh well ... its on my calendar now
15:46 <@Dagmar> Fuuuck
15:46 <@Dagmar> MORE drama on the list
15:47 <@coil_> just unsubscribe everyone
15:47 < VampirePenguin> must be a mailing list
15:48 <@Dagmar> Wel, I just posted some offensive flame-bait about passive aggression.
15:48 <@coil_> should i read
15:48 <@Dagmar> Why?  I can retype it here.
15:48 <@Dagmar> Subj: Passive-aggression is lame.
15:48 <@coil_> k
15:48 <@Dagmar> Text: Grow a penis, already.
15:48 < VampirePenguin> lol
15:49 <@Dagmar> It's short and to the point, and doesn't try to pretend it's a _reasonable argument to make_
15:49 <@Dagmar> Too much whining about problems, not enough "Here are the crushed fragments of what I did to the last problem.  I'll drop them in the dustbin over there if anyone is interested."
15:57 <@Lissa> but I don't want one.
15:57 <@Lissa> :(
15:58 < VampirePenguin> hehe
15:58 < VampirePenguin> its not all its cracked up to be Lissa
15:59 <@Lissa> i should hope so
15:59 < VampirePenguin> are most ppl in the city proper here
16:00 < VampirePenguin> or is it spread out through central tn
16:00 <@Dagmar> Most of us are in Nashville
16:00 < VampirePenguin> oh cool
16:00 < VampirePenguin> that makes it nice...
16:00 <@polerin> so much to do.  BRARRGH
16:00 < VampirePenguin> from talking with ya all i get a vibe from ya
16:00 < VampirePenguin> it would be nice to meet irl
16:00 <@polerin> meatspace is failll
16:00 < VampirePenguin> i marked down JJs
16:01 <@Lissa> next meeting is Oct 1st
16:01 <@Dagmar> Seriously, what is the justifcation that it requires meeting minutes to be posted to the fucking mailing list before bringing up the issue of how obvious a target for lulz/drama that it is to be seen "inviting" Capn' Fuckin' Crunch to a shindig where 1-in-Teen is a part
16:01 < VampirePenguin> so my calendar will remind me
16:01 <@Dagmar> Why does it require someone post minutes to a mailing list before one may bring that up as a potential issue?
16:01 <@Dagmar> Inquiring minds want to fuckin' know.
16:01 < VampirePenguin> <<< is lost, dont mind him
16:02 <@polerin> Dagmar: Because people are too lasy to show up at the meetings
16:02 <@Lissa> lazy*
16:02 < VampirePenguin> Lissa, thats the date i put down and then the website says its always on 1st fri
16:02 <@polerin> i'm to lasy to correct that
16:03  * Lissa nods
16:03 <@Dagmar> polerin: So it's just fuckin' impossible to post to the list informally that someone's going to have a laugh about that?
16:03 < VampirePenguin> most of my mis-spellings are my mind goes so damn fast and my fingers dont catch up... then i miss keys on the keybd
16:04 < VampirePenguin> do you all meet outside of the first fri of the month
16:04 <@Lissa> that's okay...scientists have proven you don't really need all the letters in a sentence to figure out what someone is talking about anyway
16:04 <@Corydon76-dig> I checked with some sources.  Yes, Capn Crunch is creepy.  No, he doesn't do anything that qualifies him for the pedophile tag
16:04 < VampirePenguin> ya just the last and first
16:04 <@Dagmar> VampirePenguin: Occasionally
16:04 < VampirePenguin> gerat
16:04 <@polerin> Dagmar: <insert rant about men's fragile egos and how the ideology of supremacy interferes with actually getting shit done.>
16:04 <@polerin> heh
16:05 < VampirePenguin> Dagmar, nods
16:05 <@Lissa> ok...is Capn Crunch a real person or a dude that dresses up like the Capn on the cereal boxes like a mascot or something?
16:05 <@Dagmar> S'okay.  I'll probably drop a nuke on this before the end of the day:
16:05 < VampirePenguin> capn crunch must be a handle
16:05 <@Lissa> i need that clarification
16:05 <@Dagmar> "The president's position is not one of 'chief coordinator'. It is one of leadership. He is not a camp counselor, he is the deciding factor."
16:05 <@Dagmar> No.  That is 100% counter-factual shit right there.
16:05 <@Dagmar> I know he got that idea from Dolemite because we never beat it out of him.
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16:06 <@Corydon76-dig> It's the handle of the guy who made himself famous by promoting that the whistle in the boxes made the 2600Hz tone
16:06 < VampirePenguin> presidents are the ultimate babysitters
16:06 <@Lissa> ah.
16:06 <@Lissa> got it
16:06 < VampirePenguin> oh kk
16:06 <@Dagmar> The problems people are experiencing stem directly from their misapprehension about the nature of hte 501c business entity
16:06 <@polerin> it's not a bout baby ssitting
16:06 <@polerin> ack, left a space. stupid typing while sneezing
16:06 < VampirePenguin> polerin, dont mind me
16:06 <@Lissa> she has no mind to mind you :P
16:06 <@Lissa> she just blew it out her nose
16:06 <@polerin> Lissa: mind your thoughts
16:06 <@Lissa> it's on her desk now
16:06 < VampirePenguin> lol
16:07 <@Corydon76-dig> The problems we have are because someone believed the BS that the president dictates shit
16:07 <@Lissa> which is gross
16:07 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: exactly
16:07 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-dig: Yep.  If he'd have said this at the meeting on Friday I would have stood right up
16:07 < VampirePenguin> wow and to actually have lady geekettes around... i have to say that in a lot of places it just isnt
16:07 <@Lissa> and we've had some presidents in the past that sorta just did whatever they wanted without a general concensus
16:07 < VampirePenguin> so 2 in one sitting is amazing to me
16:07 <@Dagmar> Lissa: Wlel, that's sort of their job
16:07 <@polerin> Dagmar: he doesn't have the guts to say it like that.
16:08 <@Lissa> to make those tough decisions yes...but to make douchey decisions that harm the organization? not so much.
16:08 <@Dagmar> polerin: I think he does, I think he's just chosen a too-milquetoast approach to saying it to actually say it
16:08 <@Lissa> he's a pussy
16:08 <@polerin> the president needs to ballence general consensus with an idea, then beat people into doing what needs to be done
16:08 <@Lissa> and i WILL tell him to his face if I can stand to look at it long enough.
16:08 < VampirePenguin> is se2600 a 501c
16:08 <@Corydon76-dig> The president's job is to seek consensus within the group he is leading, and ensure that if he disagrees with them, that he works to convince them of their error
16:08 <@Lissa> yes
16:08 <@Dagmar> VampirePenguin: Yes.
16:08 < VampirePenguin> ok...
16:08 <@Corydon76-dig> Not se2600, just Nashville 2600
16:09 <@Lissa> oh..yeh...that is important :P
16:09 <@Corydon76-dig> SE2600 is a loosely organized informal classification
16:09 <@Dagmar> The "origin story" is basically that we starting having a yearly party at a hotel
16:09 < VampirePenguin> nods
16:09 <@polerin> Dagmar: is this Rock1tDog or one of his vassles?
16:09 <@Dagmar> This party grew in size to the point where the hotel started expecting we were actually an organized group.
16:09 <@polerin> vaseles?  whatver.
16:09 <@Dagmar> Somewhat unsuprisingly one of these things that generally comes with an organized group is _insurance_ because liability comes whether you want it or not
16:09 < VampirePenguin> well 501c is a legal organization and the pres, vp, the sec, the treasure, the board are all supposed to be in agreement for legalites sake
16:10 <@polerin> VampirePenguin: it's more than that
16:10 <@Dagmar> You can't get insurance without having some formal looking paperwork saying that you are, at least in theory, an organized group.
16:10 <@polerin> VampirePenguin: trust me there's so much backstory
16:10 < VampirePenguin> im just trying to understand you
16:10 < VampirePenguin> im making no judgements
16:10 <@Dagmar> The disorganized group, for their part, needs to pay attention in order to not destroy the illusion that they are actually organized.
16:11 < VampirePenguin> 501c is so you can do business with other businesses and the govt
16:11 <@polerin> VampirePenguin: best way to understand this much crap is to just sorta absorb it.  way too much undercurrent and bais for a direct story
16:11 <@Corydon76-dig> I'll let Dagmar tell it, because he's mostly accurate
16:11 < VampirePenguin> its i a business arrangement
16:11 <@polerin> VampirePenguin: no, this is not a buisness arrangement, it's a warzone.
16:11 < VampirePenguin> lol
16:11 <@Dagmar> ...because if the behaviour appears organized, then it counts, even if it's a bunch of lunatics doing their own thing that all happens to face in the same direction, like holding a convention in a hotel where people drink, show off tech, and talk about hacker-centric shit.
16:11 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: hey, let Dagmar finish, first
16:11 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: :P
16:11 <@Lissa> it's so the organization is liable and not person people's bank accounts/livlihoods
16:12 <@Lissa> person people?
16:12 <@Lissa> wtf am i smoking
16:12 <@Dagmar> So, some folks got the idea to make a 501c so that we could have that official looking paperwork, and so long as no one destroys the illusion the party can continue
16:12 <@polerin> share?
16:12 <@Dagmar> That's literally the entire point of this
16:12 <@polerin> Sheesh, yer not even 10 feet from me and you won't share.
16:12 <@Lissa> shut up.
16:12 <@Lissa> geez
16:12 <@polerin> that's basicly right
16:12 <@Lissa> unlike your spelling
16:12 <@Dagmar> 'cept now we've got some folks who've gotten it into their head that the important thing is that they get credit for "running shit" so they can put it on their resume/bio
16:13 <@Dagmar> That's bad motivation, and not why the 501c was put together.
16:13 <@Corydon76-dig> And we went for 501c3, because of the tax benefits, so it costs a bit less to get everything together
16:13 <@Lissa> Who thought that?
16:13 <@Lissa> who would think that?
16:13 <@polerin> Lissa: skyRocket
16:14 <@Lissa> can we give a review to their potential employers?  cuz that would be funny.
16:14 < VampirePenguin> well you can get credit 501c or not... volunteer work always is a positive and always looks good
16:14 <@Corydon76-dig> Well, honestly, the point of leadership to to absorb the criticism that people level at the group when things go wrong, and shield the people doing the real work
16:15 <@polerin> that's one responsibility, yep
16:15 <@polerin> but it's also to make sure that the work gets done
16:15 <@Lissa> and to delegate
16:15 <@Lissa> responsibly
16:15 <@polerin> what's that.
16:15 <@Corydon76-dig> Well, yes, find the people to get shit done, and THEN get the fuck out of their way
16:15  * Lissa rolls eyes
16:15 <@Dagmar> Yep.  More or less to be the one to grab the reins and steer things clear of danger when needed, and to be the one to holler when they see danger coming up (but that's everyone's job)
16:15 <@Lissa> i was rolling them at polerin
16:15 <@Lissa> just fyi.
16:15 <@Dagmar> That's _leadership_
16:16 < VampirePenguin> Corydon76-dig, bingo
16:16 <@polerin> ooobaby.
16:16 <@Dagmar> Being the one who "decides shit" is one of _ownership_
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16:16 <@Lissa> sometimes she's just annoying.
16:16 < VampirePenguin> when you delegate that was your decision.. after that the ones you delgated.. are gonna sink or swim with theirs
16:16 <@Corydon76-dig> I've tried to be clear about that to my directors.  If I'm being overbearing, please tell me to STFU
16:16 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-dig: You are slightly hairy lookin'.
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16:17 <@polerin> I know where you sleep
16:17 <@Dagmar> SO, undershaven, but not overheading
16:17 <@Lissa> are you hitting on Corydon again?
16:17 <@Dagmar> er overbearing
16:17 <@polerin> .. er. no.
16:17 <@Corydon76-dig> Dagmar: I've been thinking about shaving that, actually
16:17 <@polerin> that was too you
16:17 <@polerin> O_o
16:17 <@polerin> WHAT?
16:17 <@Lissa> ....
16:17 <@Lissa> shaving what?
16:17 <@polerin> SHAVE THE BITS?!  Nooo
16:17 <@polerin> er, the UPPER bits
16:18 <@polerin> I don't give a damn what you do to your lower bits
16:18 < VampirePenguin> its hard to balance with the traditional "type-A" go getter and consensus... ppl that do it always have my respect
16:18 <@Lissa> i gotta put feet on my couch...brb
16:18 <@Corydon76-dig> I grew them back in my early 20s in an effort to appear older
16:18 <@Corydon76-dig> Now, in my mid 30s, I'm considering shaving to appear younger
16:19 <@coil_> ya shave your face
16:19 <@Corydon76-dig> Maybe just the moustache, though
16:19 < VampirePenguin> am i the old dog in here right now
16:19 <@Corydon76-dig> Dunno, how old are you?
16:19 < VampirePenguin> 41 almost 42
16:20 <@Corydon76-dig> I think Dagmar is older
16:20 <@Corydon76-dig> but he still looks 25
16:20 < VampirePenguin> here hey more candles and fire surpressors
16:21 <@Dagmar> Am NOT older than that thankyouveryuch
16:21 < VampirePenguin> has anyone been to 3 adn lindsey
16:22 <@Corydon76-dig> Dagmar: remind me how old you are again?
16:23 < VampirePenguin> i have to call ticketmaster about tristan prettyman concert and prices... her tours lists the date but ticketmasters stops late oct and doesnt cover than concert yet
16:23 <@Lissa> VampirePenguin: you mean 3rd and Lindsley?
16:23 < VampirePenguin> nods
16:23 <@Lissa> yeh..i've played there before...
16:23 <@Lissa> why?
16:23 < VampirePenguin> i love her song madly
16:23 < VampirePenguin> tristan prettyman will be there on nov 20
16:23 <@Lissa> dunno who that is.
16:23 < VampirePenguin> popish
16:24 <@Lissa> probably why i haven't heard of her
16:24 < VampirePenguin> shes pretty
16:24 < VampirePenguin> id say late 20s early 30s
16:24 <@polerin> lissa's not allowed to look at other women.
16:24 < VampirePenguin> i do not want to make her sin
16:24 < VampirePenguin> my apologies
16:24 <@Corydon76-dig> Is Lissa allowed to look at men?
16:25 <@polerin> nope
16:25 <@Lissa> i can look at whomever i damn well please
16:25 < VampirePenguin> and my hyopocracies
16:25  * Corydon76-dig buys a male stripper for Lissa at PhreakNIC
16:25 < VampirePenguin> im your huckleberry
16:25 <@Lissa> sweet
16:25 <@Lissa> i've always wanted a stripper of my very own
16:25 <@Lissa> to clean my house
16:25 < VampirePenguin> shit can you get me alicia witt for one
16:26 <@Lissa> i can use their bits to attach a dust mop
16:26 <@Corydon76-dig> lol
16:26 <@Lissa> then they have three "hands"
16:26 < VampirePenguin> youre a musician than i take it Lissa
16:26 <@Lissa> yes
16:26 < VampirePenguin> what genre
16:26 <@Corydon76-dig> One of these years, we should totally do that at PhreakNIC for a party... male stripper for those in attendance who would appreciate it
16:26 <@Lissa> whatever fancies my mood at the minute
16:27 <@Corydon76-dig> Female stripper for everybody else
16:27 < VampirePenguin> instrumentals or vocals or both
16:27 < VampirePenguin> Corydon76-dig, id go along along with just for the pure hilarity
16:27 <@Lissa> i prefer to sing if i can get away with it...but i usually have my guitar with me
16:27 <@Lissa> erin is making me get dressed to go to the Homo
16:27 < VampirePenguin> erin?
16:27 < VampirePenguin> must be a friend
16:27 <@Corydon76-dig> Polerin
16:28 <@Corydon76-dig> Wife
16:28 < VampirePenguin> oh ok... hi polerin
16:28 <@Lissa> erin's me wif.
16:28 <@Dagmar> A sort of matching set of streippers isn't a bad idea actually
16:28 < VampirePenguin> ah i get it
16:28 <@polerin> streippers?  getting excited?
16:28 <@Lissa> 10 years and counting
16:28 < VampirePenguin> so you alls is taken for one another
16:28 <@Dagmar> "10:30pm Presentation: What people who don't sit around and mess with computers all day look like naked"
16:28 <@polerin> She's not allowed to talk to talk to other people at all actually
16:28 <@Lissa> well...i tried selling her on ebay and they made me take it down cuz it's illegal or something
16:28 < VampirePenguin> i have 10 yrs total but not to same person
16:28 <@Corydon76-dig> Dagmar: lol
16:29 <@Corydon76-dig> Two years next Friday with Peaches
16:29 <@Lissa> i was thinking Corydon76-dig could build a bunny cage for her
16:29 <@Lissa> d'aww
16:29 <@Dagmar> Oh god that may actually be a good idea
16:29 <@Lissa> y'all doing anything special?
16:29 <@Corydon76-dig> Cannot afford much... we may go out to eat somewhere, though
16:30 <@polerin> Dagmar: no.  no it wouldn't.
16:30 < VampirePenguin> i laugh when some get all upset about glbt and marriage... its like let em.. then they can have the 50% divorce rates, the child support, alimony and health benefits ... spread the wealth around... lets all suffer
16:30  * Lissa nods 
16:30 <@Lissa> i hear ya.
16:30 <@polerin> now, that could be an after PN presentation
16:30 <@polerin> we could take a field trip
16:30  * Dagmar booms over speakers "YOU TOO COULD POSSIBLY BE IN A SHAPE REASONABLY APPROXIMATING THIS!  ALL IT TAKES IS A LITTLE EXCERCISE ON A REGULAR BASIS."
16:30 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: uh, no, I want to do my best to keep people on the reservation
16:30  * Lissa nods
16:30 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: afterwards
16:31 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: ESPECIALLY afterwards, when they've been drinking
16:31 <@Lissa> haha
16:31 < VampirePenguin> im a cheap drunk
16:31 <@Lissa> let's not have another "shaggy" incident
16:31 < VampirePenguin> i can barely finish one shot
16:31 <@polerin> OK OFFICER COMCAST
16:31 <@Dagmar> "LET'S NOT GET CRAZY AND START RUNNING MARATHONS OR ANYTHING, BUT A FEW SIT UPS A DAY WILL KEEP THE IDEA FRESH IN YOUR HEAD."
16:32 <@Corydon76-dig> I'm not a cheap drunk, though a single shot usually is enough for me, too... the shot is just generally a $100 Scotch
16:32 < VampirePenguin> ouch
16:32 < VampirePenguin> vodka or crown royale for me
16:32  * polerin is a cheap drunk
16:32 < VampirePenguin> i hate beer... if i have too its a lager
16:32 <@polerin> which is why I have lissa around
16:32 <@Lissa> it takes too long to get me drunk. and too much money
16:32 <@Lissa> so i just give up
16:32 <@polerin> which is why you only drink at PN
16:32 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: Peppermint Schnapps and greasy pizza?
16:32 <@Lissa> and don't drink
16:32 <@Lissa> ack. yes
16:32 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: UGH
16:32 <@Dagmar> We've really got a lot of people whose exercise activities are about as common as Presidential elections.
16:33 <@polerin> Dagmar: I've been on enforced idle since the surgery
16:33 <@polerin> killing me :/
16:33 <@Dagmar> Not saying there's anything terribly wrong with it, but it's needless.
16:33 < VampirePenguin> i made a solemn vow after the army and learning how to run... no more running
16:33 <@Corydon76-dig> All we have to do is remind polerin of peppermint schnapps and greasy pizza, and she won't drink a drop
16:33 <@Dagmar> *Especially* for people in their 20s, a little exercise is all it takes
16:33 <@Lissa> This chapter is entitled: In Which Erin Spends Most of the Evening Between, Bed, Tub, & Porcelein God
16:34 < VampirePenguin> oh i know that chapter well Lissa
16:34 <@Dagmar> VampirePenguin: If I have to run, someone's going to bleed, but that's because I have crappy asphalt knees
16:34 <@polerin> Dagmar: not really true, but ok. :P
16:34 <@Dagmar> Might as well be running uphill all the time because of the friction
16:34 <@polerin> but yes, exercise is good regardless
16:34 < VampirePenguin> the only place i run is across the street if im not gonna make it in time
16:34 <@Dagmar> polerin: No, most people's metabolisms at that age will respond markedly to mild exercise
16:35 <@Dagmar> ...and I am saying "most" people, not everybody.
16:35 <@polerin> Dagmar: yeah, but see, that's not the whole story.  Study after study have shown that people then respond by eating more :)
16:35 <@Dagmar> That some won't is no reason to let those that would slack off like there's no big deal about it
16:35 <@Corydon76-dig> VampirePenguin: After you've had a little vodka, I'll show you Johnny, and you'll wonder who spiked your vodka with LSD
16:35 <@polerin> and then they stop exercising, and continue the eating
16:35 <@Dagmar> Easier to stay in shape than to get in shape
16:35 < VampirePenguin> Corydon76-dig, that so
16:35 <@polerin> Dagmar: actually THAT is true.  if you stop working out, you loose the effects of working out inside of 4 weeks
16:36 <@ware> root bash prompt tatoo around my ankle: yay or nay?
16:36 <@polerin> not the SHAPE per say, but the cardiovascular
16:36 <@polerin> ware: no.  Just no.
16:36 <@Dagmar> polerin: Believe me, I'm aware
16:36 <@Corydon76-dig> VampirePenguin: Johnny is my pet rabbit
16:36 < VampirePenguin> Lissa, do you have any mp3s i can hear....
16:36 < VampirePenguin> bad wabbit
16:36 <@polerin> VampirePenguin: no, she won't record
16:36 <@Dagmar> polerin: My brother is not real happy that he weighs 280lbs, and I weigh 180 and do less physical labor than he does
16:36 <@polerin> VampirePenguin: long story.
16:36 < VampirePenguin> you dont ask.. you do it when shes not looking
16:37 <@Corydon76-dig> VampirePenguin: he makes a domestic housecat look like a rat, by comparison
16:37 <@Dagmar> ...which is entirely because of my former raving habits, which put most cardio exercises to shame
16:37 < VampirePenguin> omg...
16:37 < VampirePenguin> ive seen 26 # cats
16:37 <@polerin> VampirePenguin: ...  you seem to not realise the fact that if I did that it'd turn into a throw down... and a throw down between the two of us would be BAD
16:37 <@ware> root bash prompt tatoo around my ankle: yay or nay?
16:37 < VampirePenguin> well we wouldnt want that
16:37 <@polerin> ware: NO
16:37 <@Corydon76-dig> VampirePenguin: Johnny is a 17 pound rabbit, and he isn't fat
16:37 <@Dagmar> ware: Good as anything else you could put  there
16:37 < VampirePenguin> but you should record
16:37 < VampirePenguin> if that good
16:37 <@polerin> Dagmar: in other words, it's shitty.
16:37 <@Lissa> he's the cutest rabbit EVER
16:38 <@Dagmar> ware: Just no kittens on the ankle.  Not all that acceptable on a guy.
16:38 < VampirePenguin> pass it on to family and friends as you get older
16:38 <@Lissa> oh god. no. no recording.
16:38 <@Lissa> not me.
16:38 <@polerin> VampirePenguin: I can hardly get her to play for me, I'm not risking that
16:38 <@Dagmar> Same goes for seahorse, butterflies, and flowers.
16:38 <@polerin> she's a shy musician, only for herself.
16:38 <@Lissa> Wilpig got it once and I'm completely embarrased by it
16:38 <@polerin> even t hough it was pretty :)
16:38 <@Lissa> was not
16:39 <@Corydon76-dig> VampirePenguin: http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?pid=196456&id=100000447567647&ref=fbx_album
16:39 < VampirePenguin> polerin, honestly i really understand that... and i could probably bet ... this isnt a hit shes moody and depressed a lot
16:39 < VampirePenguin> it wont let me in
16:39 < VampirePenguin> im not on f/b
16:40 <@Corydon76-dig> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=196456&l=7e8af081d9&id=100000447567647
16:40 <@Corydon76-dig> Try that one
16:40 <@ware> i have 5 yays!
16:41 < VampirePenguin> its a giant cat with bunny ears
16:41 < VampirePenguin> but its soooo cute
16:41 <@Corydon76-dig> Yes, he is
16:42 < VampirePenguin> does he stay inside
16:42 < VampirePenguin> most rabbits i have seen are always like outside or in a foyer
16:42 <@Lissa> i'm not really moody and depressed a lot
16:42 <@Lissa> just when people piss me off
16:43 < VampirePenguin> nods
16:43 < VampirePenguin> most musicians are
16:43 < VampirePenguin> as a gneralization
16:43 < VampirePenguin> very shy, connected in a way to their hearts and minds and feelings and experiencs that is hard to explain
16:44 <@Lissa> i'm not emo.
16:44 <@polerin> meh, some are, some not so much
16:44 < VampirePenguin> but its still cool
16:45 < VampirePenguin> have to have you open for PN
16:45 <@Lissa> oh no.
16:45 < VampirePenguin> no laser light show
16:45 <@Lissa> not in front of those people
16:45 < VampirePenguin> ?
16:45 <@Lissa> not since PN 4
16:45 < VampirePenguin> what # is it at now
16:46  * Peaches1984 yawns
16:46 < VampirePenguin> bunny is going into my wallpapers and avatars file
16:47 < VampirePenguin> one day bunny will be a background for me
16:47 < VampirePenguin> hi Peaches1984
16:47 < Peaches1984> Hello How are ya
16:47 < VampirePenguin> um actaully kinda ok
16:47 < Peaches1984> That's good. Same here Hey Lissa how are you?
16:48 <@Lissa> 14
16:48 < VampirePenguin> were trying to bribe her to record....
16:48  * Lissa pounces Peaches1984 
16:48 <@Lissa> i'm pouncy
16:48 < Peaches1984> lol
16:49  * Peaches1984 runs to get the cat nip
16:49 <@Corydon76-dig> VampirePenguin: at some point, Johnny will probably head over to the Vandy area and run around a park or a quad or something
16:49 <@Corydon76-dig> Maybe tomorrow
16:49 < VampirePenguin> there the main quad at the light hall
16:49 < VampirePenguin> all concrete though
16:50 <@Corydon76-dig> Yeah, he prefers grass
16:50 <@Corydon76-dig> I was thinking the McGill quad
16:50 < VampirePenguin> the only park i see is across the street
16:50 < VampirePenguin> right next to the music school
16:50 <@Corydon76-dig> Dragon Park?
16:50 < VampirePenguin> rose
16:51 < VampirePenguin> or rosa
16:51 <@Corydon76-dig> Dragon Park is not its official name
16:51 < VampirePenguin> i see the sign at 600 in the morning
16:51 <@Dagmar> That's Fanny Mae Dees park
16:51 <@Corydon76-dig> just what people call it because of the dragon sculpture
16:51 <@polerin> yeh
16:51 <@polerin> but dragon park is more win
16:51 <@Dagmar> Blair School doens't really have what I'd call a park next to it
16:51 <@Lissa> gotta go pick up my roommate. bbiab
16:51 <@polerin> TO THE HOMO!
16:51 <@Dagmar> Just some shit Vandy hasn't gotten arounbd to building anything on yet
16:52 <@Corydon76-dig> I gotta give Johnny a butt bath
16:52 < VampirePenguin> this is between the magnet school and music one across from the scienctology thing
16:52 < VampirePenguin> oh there that big park next to the walkway
16:52 < Peaches1984> Yep thats the dragon park
16:52 < VampirePenguin> with the tent
16:52 <@Dagmar> That's not Dragon Park.
16:52 < VampirePenguin> i walk past alot
16:52 <@Dagmar> It's also not a park.
16:53 < Peaches1984> ok so what is it?
16:53 <@Dagmar> That is _literally_ just a grassy area Vandy hasn't built anything on yet
16:53 <@Lissa> a place for snowball fights
16:53 <@coil_> snowballing
16:53 <@Lissa> ew.
16:53 < Peaches1984> homo tag football field
16:54 <@Dagmar> There's no walkway elevated or otherwise near Dragon Park
16:54 < VampirePenguin> this is over edgehill 21st
16:54 < VampirePenguin> then you literally walk into it
16:54 <@Dagmar> Yeah that's the Peabody "Esplanade"
16:54 < VampirePenguin> its pretty
16:55 < VampirePenguin> i should stop one day
16:55 < VampirePenguin> but i dont
16:55 <@Dagmar> It pretends to play the role of a "park" but it's pretty much grass, trees, and sidewalks that run directly from one building to another
16:55 < VampirePenguin> i dont like the feel of grass and the smell of cut grass
16:56 <@Dagmar> The tent is temporary because of freshman-oriented event-like things that have been going on on campus this and last week
16:56 < VampirePenguin> ya i saw the signs for "spirit" week i guess
16:56 < VampirePenguin> orientation week
16:56 <@Dagmar> Yep.
16:56 <@Dagmar> I have to hoof it through there a couple of times a month on my way to the Steven Center data center room
16:56 < VampirePenguin> im down there between 4-8 x month
16:57 < VampirePenguin> usually ill walk down edgehill but ride the bus back up
16:57 < VampirePenguin> lol
16:57 < VampirePenguin> to long of a hill.. 2m iles is 2 much
16:57 <@Dagmar> That slope is a pisser
16:57 < VampirePenguin> more ways than one
16:58 < VampirePenguin> i never in my life thought nashville was this hilly
16:58 < VampirePenguin> its a god damn mini san fran
16:58 < VampirePenguin> waling up 4/5th
16:58 <@Dagmar> Nashville is just covered in small hills.
16:58 < VampirePenguin> to the terminal
16:58 < VampirePenguin> kilme
16:58 < VampirePenguin> small steep hills
16:59 <@Dagmar> Middle Tennessee makes more sense when you consider that it is bordered on the east and west sides by *mountains*
16:59 < VampirePenguin> well i know east wise
16:59 <@Dagmar> The typical basin area is just still chock full of little foothills
16:59 < VampirePenguin> but west is just mississippi
16:59 < VampirePenguin> i guess i havent really looked at a topo that well
17:00 <@Dagmar> Look again
17:00 <@Dagmar> THe weird little bit at hte top of the state that sticks out...
17:00 <@Dagmar> There's a river there.
17:00 < VampirePenguin> ive seen enough where cumberlan is a slow slow moving river because of the winding
17:00 <@Dagmar> Going west from that river is straight up a ridge of mountains
17:00 < VampirePenguin> ive been to paduacah
17:01 < VampirePenguin> i almost got stranded there
17:01 <@Dagmar> Always remember you can chew your own wrist veins out if you have to
17:01 < VampirePenguin> lol
17:02 <@Dagmar> Those are deifntely mountains, even if the way I-40 goes through them makes it hard to even notice them as suh
17:02 <@Dagmar> er such
17:02 < VampirePenguin> i havent been east on the 40
17:02 < VampirePenguin> i have come up through ga and gone to the wva turnpike
17:02 < VampirePenguin> to ohio
17:02 <@Dagmar> What's to the _east_ is a lot less subtle about it
17:02 < VampirePenguin> and ive come up the other way to ky
17:03 < VampirePenguin> this is like out west.. the applachians mess up being able to go in this whole area easily anywhere
17:03 < VampirePenguin> isnt
17:04 < VampirePenguin> ive liked tn everytime ive driven through it
17:05 <@Dagmar> Well, if you've never been to Gatlinburg than you're missing one hell of a tourist trap
17:05 < VampirePenguin> for 8 months i crossed the ms 2x a day
17:06 < VampirePenguin> other than that is was usually the 95 i would hit
17:07 < VampirePenguin> anybody know where i can find some free wifi to ul about 25gb
17:10 < VampirePenguin> does the research bldg, the red one does its wifi hit the light hall quad
17:10 < VampirePenguin> i have the essid for it
17:10 < VampirePenguin> its hidden
17:10 < VampirePenguin> i dont know its range
17:11 <@Dagmar> 25Gb will draw the attention of Vandy
17:17 < VampirePenguin> ya maybe but they cant see the contents
17:17 < VampirePenguin> so
17:17 < VampirePenguin> meh
17:17 < VampirePenguin> gotta fnd me
17:19 < VampirePenguin> vpns make life so much nicer
17:19 < VampirePenguin> than ya cant tell how many gb
17:20 <@Dagmar> They won't have to .
17:20 <@Dagmar> The system will blacklist your mac address once the threshold limit has been reached.
17:20 < VampirePenguin> hmmm
17:20 <@Dagmar> So, don't abuse it and it'll stay available to you
17:21 < VampirePenguin> well that must means i start with a sppofed one
17:21 <@Dagmar> A more cautious person would interpret that as "use one you don't mind burning"
17:21 < VampirePenguin> im not trying to abuse it im just trying to find a place thast will allow make to make a big fast ul
17:22 <@Dagmar> Burning your bridges with a massive network that covers square miles, not smart
17:22 < VampirePenguin> 256kbs iss so painfully slow
17:23 <@Dagmar> Burning your bridges with the AP of some joker using a poorly-secured piece of crap b router down the street, not much of an issue
17:24 < VampirePenguin> in my area as far as i can tell im the only one with a wifi router
17:24 < VampirePenguin> i know ppl have cable but they are jacking in direct
17:25 < Peaches1984> Hey guys ttyl  going to Borders on westend then off to a party take care ttyl
17:25 < VampirePenguin> ni
17:27 < VampirePenguin> my neighbor has this comcast modem some name i havent heard before and shes like my computer wont connect
17:28 <@Dagmar> Hard power cycle the modem
17:28 < VampirePenguin> ended up her internet was definitely out ... i was telling her you seriously need to get a router that will handle your computer traffic properly
17:28 < VampirePenguin> i did
17:28 < VampirePenguin> didnt help
17:28 < VampirePenguin> fact it got worse
17:29 <@Dagmar> How can it get worse than "wont connect"
17:29 <@Dagmar> Down is down
17:30 < VampirePenguin> well before i power cycled she had a light
17:30 < VampirePenguin> after no light
17:30 <@Dagmar> The cablemodem only has one light on it?
17:30 < VampirePenguin> for internet
17:30 < VampirePenguin> her cable was running
17:30 < VampirePenguin> no internet
17:30 < VampirePenguin> it was the same box
17:30 <@Dagmar> It generally takes a few minutes for them to resynch after you hard rest them
17:31 <@Dagmar> er s/rest/reset/
17:31 < VampirePenguin> this was like a $10 modem they gave her and probably charged $75
17:31 < VampirePenguin> i was there about an hr
17:31 < VampirePenguin> i used zenwalk, puppy and xp and nothing would connect
17:33 < VampirePenguin> i know it wasnt a firewall for xp
17:34 < VampirePenguin> i could hit the mdem with puppy and zen nd the receive light would flash as soon as a i did ping... and made sure that in the chroot i had a good dns
17:34 < VampirePenguin> nothing
17:34 < VampirePenguin> as soo as id ^c the receive light would stop
17:35 < VampirePenguin> these jokers here dont know what they are doing servicing this building in particular or have some really really bad wiring
17:35 < VampirePenguin> they left me without internet for 2weeks after i started servcie... same type of stuff shes experiencing
17:36 < VampirePenguin> they come to fix mine and blow out whole bldg, next day they come to fix bldg and blow out mine
17:36 < VampirePenguin> then didnt to come out for a week to fix it
17:37 < VampirePenguin> tds? out in wilson was much better
17:42 <@polerin> VampirePenguin: who?
17:42 <@polerin> oh
17:43 <@polerin> what's the modem's name?
17:48 < VampirePenguin> hey
17:48 < VampirePenguin> scientic atlantic
17:49 < VampirePenguin> cheesy little modem
17:49 < VampirePenguin> scientific
17:49 < VampirePenguin> i think it said cisco on it... but im not sure.. it was 1pt writing
17:51 <@polerin> nope
17:51 <@polerin> scientific atlantas are my fav
17:51 <@polerin> they hold onto signal as good as an RCA, and don't break
17:51 < VampirePenguin> this one is like really old
17:52 < VampirePenguin> looked like a kids toy
17:53 < VampirePenguin> i asked her too what plan she was under
17:53 < VampirePenguin> the higher speed plans with comcast have to have a docsis3 modem
17:53 < VampirePenguin> or stuff just goes wonky
17:57 <@polerin> nah, they'll just not get good connect iirc.
17:58 <@polerin> or rather, the higher speed
17:58 <@polerin> though it might be, haven't worked with those :P
17:58 < VampirePenguin> i had both
17:59 <@polerin> no, no it won't..  Any modem that wouldn't work for higher end would just get a normal profile
17:59 < VampirePenguin> it basically does like axel and aria2 do... it splits the channel in 4 bands .. they took over the lower uhf when it went digital and theats how it gets the faster dpeeds
17:59 <@polerin> they have to build each profile for each speed tier individually
18:00 < VampirePenguin> clearwire does fine
18:01 < VampirePenguin> it just hurts on ul
18:01 < VampirePenguin> although they are working at present to double the current speeds
18:01 < VampirePenguin> wimax i guess is late next yr
18:03 < VampirePenguin> i was having problems with clear at first but i finally figured out that my ping wasnt on with my routers.. and the singles were getting lost from the tower back to me... once i turned it on.. not a lick of problems outside of normal once in a while you lose connection or thunderstorm interferes with uhf
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18:52 < VampirePenguin> home home on da range.... where the little packets dont refrain... from calling you out with your big snout.....and where the deer and VampirePenguin play
19:22 <@Dagmar> Who has hte most updated copy of the bylaws, where are the existing ones online, and who controls that?
19:44 <@Dagmar> http://i.imgur.com/iDQKL.jpg
19:44 <@Dagmar> ROFL
19:45 <@sdodson> NSFW!
19:45 <@coil_> what makes that nsfw
19:49 <@sdodson> coil_: An arc loosely represents the shape of a breast, so Dagmar should consider it NSFW.
19:49 <@Dagmar> What?
19:49 <@Dagmar> Nothing makes that NSFW
19:49 <@Dagmar> I said "ROFL".
19:50 <@Dagmar> I know, you're used to seeing nothing but obscenity on imgur, but this image is the exception.
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21:38 <@sdodson> So the general consensus is that BB Torch = crap?
21:51 <@Dagmar> rofl http://nashville.craigslist.org/sys/1936305361.html
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22:01 < Gerdesas> "opps"
22:03 <@sdodson> huh?
22:06 <@ShadowHntr> glad i missed it then
22:06 <@ShadowHntr> :)
22:07 <@ShadowHntr> man, installing shitloads of software via apt-get is a BITCH.
22:07 <@ShadowHntr> especially when you're on a shitty connection
22:07 <@ShadowHntr> :P
22:10 < VampirePenguin> so does doing an offload backup at 256kbs max... 40gb
22:11 <@ShadowHntr> yikes!
22:11 <@ShadowHntr> :P
22:12 <@sdodson> Are debs compressed in lzma?
22:14 <@sdodson> If not, clearly you should just reinstall with Fedora and that'd totally solve your problem.
22:14 <@ShadowHntr> sdodson: this isn't linux.
22:14 <@ShadowHntr> www.nexenta.org
22:14 <@ShadowHntr> if it were Linux, i'd use openSUSE probably
22:16 <@sdodson> Oh, so you have multiple problems to fix then.
22:17  * VampirePenguin pets his archlinux
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22:21 <@ShadowHntr> sdodson: i already have a linux machine to play with. openSUSE 11.1 on a different machine
22:21 <@ShadowHntr> so i'm playing around with opensolaris
22:22 < VampirePenguin> ive looked at it
22:22 <@sdodson> So you have a time management and priorization problem too?
22:22 < VampirePenguin> i dont have a server i want to run
22:22 < VampirePenguin> and if i did arch would do it so would slaack
22:22 <@ShadowHntr> sdodson: you want to offer me a job to fix that?
22:22 < VampirePenguin> i gave up on debian
22:22 <@ShadowHntr> i'm unemployed so i have a LOT of free time to kill :P
22:23 <@sdodson> So use it to do something useful!
22:23 <@ShadowHntr> ... like?
22:23 <@sdodson> Anything but Solaris? :)
22:23 <@ShadowHntr> heh
22:23 <@ShadowHntr> i'm not a big fan of debian, anyway. haven't tried arch.
22:23 <@ShadowHntr> sdodson: don't worry, i'm planning on playing with AIX and IRIX in the next few months again lol :P
22:25 < VampirePenguin> i think you should market 17# bunny rabbits and spread them through tn.... Corydon76-dig can provide the seed bunny
22:25 <@sdodson> ShadowHntr: Knowing IRIX is going to help you find a job?
22:26 <@ShadowHntr> no, but it'll be fun ;)
22:26 <@ShadowHntr> actually AIX will help me with a job, since i've had a *lot* of bites after i listed AIX operations experience on my resume
22:26 <@sdodson> Ya, I guess AIX makes sense.
22:29 <@sdodson> Are many places AIX 6 shops?
22:29 <@ShadowHntr> dunno, haven't been anywhere with it since i left IBM.
22:29 <@ShadowHntr> and they were 4.3.3, 5L and 6 shop
22:29 <@ShadowHntr> i want to start learning real heavy with 5L and 6
22:29 <@sdodson> What's the L mean?
22:30 <@ShadowHntr> affinity for Linux applications
22:30 <@ShadowHntr> Linux application compatibility (binary compatibility)
22:30 <@ShadowHntr> i think
22:30 <@ShadowHntr> they added GNOME and the RPM package manager to AIX at that time.
22:31 <@sdodson> Ya, I've had to dick around with installing RPMs on AIX.
22:31 < VampirePenguin> is it emulation or is it an actual porting
22:32 < VampirePenguin> fbsd emulates so does obsd and does a rather poor job imho so its easier to use linux
22:34 < Gerdesas> AIX is a $$ item for career advancement.
22:35 <@sdodson> I didn't have any problems with it when I used it in FreeBSD other than it was generally a very old version of the system libraries.
22:35 <@sdodson> I think now they generally track fedora pretty well.
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22:37 <@sdodson> Eh, Fedora10/2.6.16
22:39 < Gerdesas> odd kernel choice.
22:39 < Gerdesas> EL5 was out before F10 and EL5 was 2.6.18.
22:39 < VampirePenguin> i tried f12 i think it was and it forced me to use ext4
22:39 < VampirePenguin> i abandoned it
22:39 <@sdodson> It doesn't force you to use ext4. It's the default however.
22:40 < VampirePenguin> no it forced
22:40 < VampirePenguin> it was a bug
22:41 <@sdodson> I'm not sure I understand the context in which they use 2.6.16
22:42 <@Dagmar> ShadowHntr: You know that just because most AIX admins kill themselves after a few years with it.
22:43 < Gerdesas> I suspect it's hardware related.  Likely they ported some of their drivers in and have been backporting security fixes since.
22:43 <@sdodson> No, it seems like it's the compatability kernel version of whatever. Like, they bump that every now and then and I think it coincides with glibc minimum versions as well.
22:44 < Gerdesas> Interesting.
22:45 <@Dagmar> "We need to add a new user account."
22:45 <@Dagmar> AIX: "USE SMITTY"
22:45 <@Dagmar> "But... we're just using shadowed passwords"
22:45 <@Dagmar> "USE SMITTY"
22:45 <@Dagmar> Pfft.
22:45 < Gerdesas> heh
22:46 <@Dagmar> AIX `killall` also == FUN
22:46 <@Dagmar> Not since VMS has an OS shipped with a command so determined to murder the system without any arguments at all being passed to it.
22:46 <@Dagmar> ...and that was the `CRASH` command.
22:47 <@Dagmar> ...so at least if you ran it, you had *some* idea of what to expect.
22:47 <@Dagmar> The killall thing on AIX is hilarious in the hands of someone used to mainly GNU-ized systems.
22:48 <@sdodson> There's a crash command in Linux as well but it doesn't crash the system. I just runs gdb against your memory image
22:48 <@sdodson> Or a vmcore.
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