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03:58  * Corydon76-dig loves people who ask questions in PVT, then sign off
05:14 < Shadow404> sdodson: diaf
05:33 < Gerdesas> Corydon76-dig: so do I since they generally only ask the questions one time and then go away.
05:41 < Shadow404> Dagmar: btw, i ordered the radio, harness, and installation kit that matches the jeep online. All the local shops were either business hours, poorly stocked, way over priced, horid customer service, or not open when the hours on the door said open
05:41 < Shadow404> i got the mexbt2800
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08:33 <@ware> http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100829/full/news.2010.436.html
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10:15 < Genphlux> Has there been any information released regarding contests for PN14?  (root warz...etc)
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11:14 <@unixfg> Genphlux: hello
11:14 < Genphlux> unixfg, Howdy
11:17 < Genphlux> I'm attempting to navigate through the phone menu hell that is Verizon business support...
11:19 < Genphlux> I made it about 7 options in, was told I was being transferred to an agent, then it told me that my call could not be completed as dialed and disconnected...
11:25 < fall0ut> wow, barcampnashville.org is broken.
11:51 <@Dagmar> I'm having such a great morning
11:52 <@Dagmar> In contrast to two weeks ago where a long weekend spent cleaning caused a gallon of sinus goo to pack into about 4oz of space, this week it's escaped the sinuses and into the stomach, where it seems determined to continue it's mad escapade
11:53 <@Dagmar> I will not let it.
11:53 <@Dagmar> I'm just gonna sit here in a cold sweat and practice breathing evenly for awhile.
12:07 <@Dagmar> Imma fucking drown if these antihistamines don't start working
12:09 <@Dagmar> Adys: This guy writing Googlesystem seems to be more clued than most
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13:24 < fie> heading to california bbl
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13:56 < uSynx> anyone using binfone these days?
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14:10 <@TheLightCosine> hey corydon you around?
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14:12 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightCosine: No, I'm a square
14:13 <@TheLightCosine> gdb question for you
14:13 <@Corydon76-dig> uSynx: I'm still using binfone
14:13 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightCosine: sure, what's up?
14:14 <@TheLightCosine> i'm getting a segfault while calling vsnprintf, but of course it won't show me anything inside the the frame for the function
14:14 <@TheLightCosine> it will only show me what's gonig on inside my applciation
14:14 <@Corydon76-dig> varargs are a special kind of hell.  What distro are you using?
14:15 <@TheLightCosine> RH9
14:15 <@Corydon76-dig> You mean Fedora 9?
14:15 <@TheLightCosine> no
14:15 <@TheLightCosine> Red Hat 9
14:15 <@Corydon76-dig> Oh, god
14:15 <@TheLightCosine> yes
14:15 <@TheLightCosine> lol
14:15 <@TheLightCosine> 2.4.20-8
14:15 <@Corydon76-dig> You'll need to install the debug version of glibc
14:16 <@Corydon76-dig> but I have no idea where you'd even be able to find such a package
14:16 <@TheLightCosine> oh great, if i can find it anymore
14:16 <@TheLightCosine> i gave up on the stack voerflow for this code and i am trying to get the format string bug instead, but i'm getting segfault two frames deep from where it calls vsnprintf
14:16 <@Corydon76-dig> I'm looking into the magic of that, now, and it's about parsing ELF headers
14:17 <@TheLightCosine> .
14:18 <@Corydon76-dig> The complexity of it is why backtrace_symbols(3) doesn't do that now
14:18 < uSynx> Corydon76-dig: i am a bit confused about their service...
14:18 <@Corydon76-dig> uSynx: what's confusing?
14:18 <@TheLightCosine> lol
14:18 < uSynx> Corydon76-dig: first, can i have a sip device and my softphone connected at the same time to the same line
14:18 <@Corydon76-dig> Nope
14:18 <@TheLightCosine> of course part of the challenege is that it must be run on 2.4.20 kernel lol
14:18 < uSynx> didn't think so
14:18 <@Corydon76-dig> Two different devices
14:19 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightCosine: that's not a challenge...
14:19 <@TheLightCosine> well, it's so i don't deal with a lot of the stack protections i'm sure
14:19 <@TheLightCosine> but
14:19 < uSynx> Corydon76-dig: ok... next... ive got a linksys pap2 is there a way to get an incomming only line tied with an outbound line on the same account number, so i can recieve and make calls on the same extension
14:19 <@Corydon76-dig> This is all glibc, in userspace.  Kernel isn't involved at the format string level
14:19 <@TheLightCosine> yes, but  finding compat packages
14:20 < uSynx> Corydon76-dig: basically i need an easy to use setup for a buddy who is deploying and has little tech knowledge to tinker with this thing to get it working, he also wants to be able to use his droid to connect when wifi is aval
14:20 <@TheLightCosine> ugg,something about this whole situation is whack
14:20 <@Corydon76-dig> uSynx: no, you've have to convert the incoming-only line to bidirectional
14:20 < uSynx> Corydon76-dig: i am thinking something like boardvoice might be a better easier for him to use and setup if something gets fucked up
14:21 <@Corydon76-dig> uSynx: why not just use Google Voice?
14:21 <@TheLightCosine> there are three peices, writing a windows exploit(i finished in 6-8 hours), reverse engineer a windows binary(finished in 2 hours), and write eityher a stack voerflow or format string for this linux code on 2.4.20(working on it for a week and a half)
14:21 < uSynx> Corydon76-dig: google voice eh?  with sip protocol?
14:21 <@TheLightCosine> why the fuck did they make this one so much harder than the rest
14:22 <@Corydon76-dig> uSynx: I don't know if it's sip under the covers, but they have their own softphone client
14:23 <@Corydon76-dig> http://www.google.com/chat/voice/
14:23 < uSynx> Corydon76-dig: i need something that will work with this linksys pap2
14:26 <@Corydon76-dig> uSynx: if you install Asterisk, you may be able to bridge the two
14:26 <@Corydon76-dig> or something like that
14:28 < uSynx> ya, id be fine with that if it were just me using it, but i really need a simple solution for him to use while deployed
14:28 <@ware> gTalk works on lin00z
14:29 <@Corydon76-dig> uSynx: I'm suggesting that you run a server and support him while he's deployed
14:30 < uSynx> so your saying asterisk could say take a inbound only binfone line and an outbound binfone line, time them to each other and provide i single place for his sip clients to connect on my server?
14:31 <@Corydon76-dig> Why do you have two lines, both unidirectional?
14:31 <@Corydon76-dig> Why not one line, bidirectional?
14:31 < uSynx> 1 costs more
14:31 < uSynx> haha
14:31 <@Corydon76-dig> But yes, Asterisk can do both
14:31 < uSynx> is it easy to setup
14:32 <@Corydon76-dig> That depends upon your level of expertise
14:32 <@Corydon76-dig> Generally, it is easy.  Binfone will even provide you with examples
14:33 <@Corydon76-dig> Just make sure that you lock it down well, with alphanumeric extensions and standard complex passwords
14:33 < uSynx> ive got a centos5 server on a 100mbit connection
14:33 <@Corydon76-dig> None of this 123/123 nonsense
14:33 < uSynx> so this is a viable setup tonight kind of thing?
14:33 <@Corydon76-dig> If you try running with 123/123, you WILL get hacked
14:33 < uSynx> hes leaving in two days and ill be gone all tomorrow hehe
14:33 <@Corydon76-dig> not a question of if, but when
14:34 < uSynx> haha
14:34 < uSynx> hrm
14:34 <@Corydon76-dig> Talk about wait-until-the-last-minute kind of setup
14:34 < uSynx> ya
14:34 <@Corydon76-dig> Yes, it can be done
14:34 < uSynx> i told him he could barrow my gear while he was gone, didn't think about setting it up for him doh!
14:34 <@Corydon76-dig> First things first... does your server have a public IP?
14:35 < uSynx> yes
14:36 < uSynx> how quick is binfone about getting bidirectional lines setup?  ie could i have this working tonight if i order now
14:36 <@Corydon76-dig> Should be pretty easy, then.  Go ahead and get Asterisk running first
14:36 < uSynx> ive only use non incomming lines with them
14:36 <@Corydon76-dig> I doubt your friend is going to be receiving any incoming calls
14:37 < uSynx> asterisk can bind to a inet device i assume, ive got two ips on this server
14:37 <@Corydon76-dig> Someone wants him to call, they send him an email
14:38 <@Corydon76-dig> Bind to a single IP?  Yes
14:39 < uSynx> rgr
14:39 < uSynx> he wasnts an incommming numnber
14:39 < uSynx> number that is
14:39 <@Corydon76-dig> WHY?
14:40 < uSynx> i duno
14:40 < uSynx> but if thats what he wants thats what ill have to provide
14:40 <@Corydon76-dig> He's not going to have this setup 24/7
14:40 <@Corydon76-dig> at least, I doubt it
14:40 < uSynx> ya, hes goign to have slow inet at this tent haha
14:41 <@Corydon76-dig> He better have at least 80k/s, or SIP is going to be a no-go
14:41 < uSynx> i hope so haha
14:42 <@Corydon76-dig> You'll need a G.729 codec license if you want to run tighter
14:42 <@Corydon76-dig> Still talking 30k/s
14:44 <@Corydon76-dig> The codec license is $10/seat
14:45 < uSynx> broadvoice is sounding better and better
14:45 < uSynx> haha
14:45 < uSynx> seriously my other concern is the horrible user interface on the binfone site, and the creditcard fax in shit
14:46 < uSynx> its fine for me but ill bet he'd have a hard time pre paying
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15:17 < Genphlux> Corydon76-dig, are you part of the planning group for PN14?
15:19 <@Corydon76-dig> Genphlux: I am
15:19 < Genphlux> Corydon76-dig, Ah ok cool.  So are there any plans for there to be contests such as root warz or anything like that?  I just didn't see anything about it on the site, so I figured I'd ask here.
15:20 < Genphlux> I'm not around much so I didn't know if there was a separate IRC channel for PN planning or what.
15:20 <@Corydon76-dig> Yes, root wars are part of the plans (I believe it's called capture-the-flag)
15:21 <@Corydon76-dig> Root CTF?
15:21 < Genphlux> haha, gotcha.  Thanks.  I'll keep watching for info on CTF then.
15:21 <@Corydon76-dig> I'll ask Pig about it, as he's been working on the website
15:21 < Genphlux> Historically, it was called r00t warz or r00t w4rz or something along those lines, I thought at least.
15:22 < Genphlux> Not sure if you guys did the airsoft thing again last year, but I played it quite a bit the year before so that would be cool to have again.
15:23 <@Corydon76-dig> Irongeek is helping with it, as well as others, and they've clarified the rules I think
15:23 < Genphlux> Good.  It was way too open and ....easy....previously.
15:25 <@Corydon76-dig> Irongeek would be one to contact about it.
15:25 < Genphlux> Understood.  Thanks.
15:25 <@Corydon76-dig> Dunno, we may have a wifi fox hunt this year
15:26 <@Corydon76-dig> I don't think it would be too difficult to pull together, though I will probably put my own twist on it
15:27 < Genphlux> The year I participated in the WiFi Race, it was a neat concept and all but it really boiled down to chance; whether or not you happened to cross paths with the car/AP.
15:27 < Genphlux> Less about skill, more about luck, but I guess that may have been the point.
15:28 <@Corydon76-dig> Well, unless we used a radio from which the fox was transmitting, for you to use a directional antenna to work with...
15:28 <@Corydon76-dig> Track the fox with radio, then switch to wifi, associate, scan, etc.
15:29 <@Corydon76-dig> It's a lot of equipment to work with
15:29 < Genphlux> The guys with the UAV at DC would do well.
15:30 <@Corydon76-dig> We had talked about using a REALLY low power wifi, where you had to run across the fox at the hotel
15:31 <@opticron> you'd just have to sit at the 1st floor elevator and wait
15:31 <@Corydon76-dig> but the problem is one of battery... the fox is too easy to spot, because he's the only guy running around carrying a huge battery
15:31 <@opticron> decoys :)
15:32 <@Corydon76-dig> opticron: there's decoys, and then there's swapping the actual endpoint
15:37 <@Corydon76-dig> Follow the endpoint, not the guy with the endpoint
15:41 <@Corydon76-dig> I also really like the concept of keeping people on the reservation
15:42 < uSynx> Corydon76-dig: think it would be smart to run asterisk in a vm on my centos server?
15:43 <@Corydon76-dig> uSynx: depends upon which VM, what codecs you're running, what else you're running, etc.
15:47 < uSynx> interesting trick
15:47 < uSynx> http://nerdvittles.com/?p=677
15:47 < uSynx> googlevoice with asterisk
15:48 < uSynx> id consider testing it out but rather run it in a vm for security
15:48 <@Corydon76-dig> Anyway.  Everything else comes first, and if I have time to get the wifirace running, I'll look at doing that
15:49 <@Corydon76-dig> uSynx: plus, Ward Mundy is an asshole
15:50 < uSynx> who?
15:51 <@Corydon76-dig> guy who runs that site
15:51 < uSynx> oh
15:51 < uSynx> safe though
15:51 < uSynx> ?
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15:54 < uSynx> theres some really useless shit in there though... why the fuck am i going to get wx updates from my phone if ive got inet in that location
15:59 <@Corydon76-dig> I really don't know... I'm sure some of it are whiz-bang-see-what-we-can-do
16:01 < uSynx> ya, its neat but not really necessary and i am sure adds some bloat
16:01 < uSynx> honestly at this point i am considering telling my budy to just use googlevoice on his droid
16:02 <@Corydon76-dig> I think that's a reasonable solution
16:03 < uSynx> theres got to be a way to keep his droid from trying to connect to cell towers and only use wifi
16:04 <@Corydon76-dig> Sure there is.  In Settings, he can choose not to connect to the cell towers
16:04 <@Corydon76-dig> Turn off roaming
16:05 < uSynx> good point
16:05 < uSynx> you know what we really need here... a vzw externder with a hacked gps module!
16:06 <@Corydon76-dig> Yes, because that won't look suspicious to communication specialists on the ground...
16:07 <@Corydon76-dig> There's lots of people you can fuck with.  People with guns, not so much
16:08 <@TheLightCosine> heh
16:10 < uSynx> haha
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16:10 <@Corydon76-dig> People with guns, in a warzone, who don't have a sense of humor... not a good idea
16:11 < fall0ut> turn on airplane mode
16:11 < fall0ut> and then go turn on wifi
16:11 < fall0ut> that's all that is needed
16:11 <@Corydon76-dig> fall0ut: Android turns off wifi when you turn on airplane mode
16:11 < fall0ut> you can turn wifi back on
16:11 < fall0ut> without turning on the CDMA radio
16:12 < fall0ut> since airplane mode no longer rules out wifi
16:12 <@Corydon76-dig> Must be something in 2.0 and higher (I'm still on 1.6)
16:12 <@TheLightCosine> uck i don't udnerstand the point of the va_list crap
16:12 <@TheLightCosine> why use this shit instead of just snprintf
16:13 < fall0ut> I use my droid 1 at home to fuck with
16:13 < fall0ut> since I replaced it
16:13 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightCosine: um, because that's how variable arguments are implemented
16:13 < fall0ut> the battery lasts a lonng time without the cdma radio on
16:13 < fall0ut> heh
16:14 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightCosine: seriously... snprintf uses va_args stuff
16:14 <@Corydon76-dig> va_args is not inherently difficult to use, just can be difficult to debug
16:14 <@TheLightCosine> er let me adjust my statement, i don't udnerstand the point of using it here
16:14 <@Corydon76-dig> Because a higher level function has variable arguments
16:15 <@Corydon76-dig> To manipulate those correctly at a lower level, you need to pass around a va_list
16:15 <@TheLightCosine> hrm any attempt to use %n is giving me segfaults, and i'll be damned if i can get even close to what the problem is
16:15 <@Corydon76-dig> Well, because %n assumes that the next argument is a pointer
16:16 <@Corydon76-dig> If the next argument is an integer or a float, it'll probably point to a garbage address
16:16 <@TheLightCosine> and in the case of the way i've done my format string, it should be...
16:16 <@TheLightCosine> unless for some reason i'm off on my spots
16:16 <@Corydon76-dig> Not the format string, the arguments following it
16:17 <@TheLightCosine> right, but with a format string attack you can pass the addresses in the actual string itself for %n to use
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16:17 <@Corydon76-dig> Not the addresses, but the argument number
16:18 <@TheLightCosine> ?
16:19 <@Corydon76-dig> I'm not understanding what you mean by "the actual addresses"
16:19 <@Corydon76-dig> %n writes the number of characters printed so far to the specified argument
16:19 <@TheLightCosine> so you can for example have an input string that looks like this:
16:21 <@TheLightCosine> \x68\xda\xff\xbfAAAA\x69\xda\xff\xbfAAAA\x6A\xda\xff\xbfAAAA\x6b\xda\xff\xbf%08x%08x%120x%n%45x%n etc
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16:22 <@TheLightCosine> as you adjust the number of bits written by the %x,'s it should write them into the address locations indicated in each set of address at the begining
16:24 <@Corydon76-dig> Um, it should?
16:25 <@TheLightCosine> *nod*
16:25 <@TheLightCosine> at least in a regular printf condition
16:25 <@Corydon76-dig> What the %x should give you is an address of each argument
16:26 <@Corydon76-dig> Assuming the arguments are, in fact, pointers and not integers or floats
16:27 <@TheLightCosine> all the %x is there for is to write out the correct number of bytes
16:27 <@Corydon76-dig> but all you're really getting are values at the end of a va_list, which is likely the stack pointers
16:27 <@TheLightCosine> what they actually write doesn't make any difference, they are jsut to feed numbers into %n
16:28 <@Corydon76-dig> So yes, you can corrupt the stack, but you have to first grab the info, and verify that the addresses are constant, before you can proceed to smash the stack and insert your own return addresses
16:28 <@TheLightCosine> don't even need to corrupt the saved return poniter neccisarily
16:28 <@TheLightCosine> can overwrite dtors or the GOT
16:28 <@Corydon76-dig> The problem likely is that you're corrupting the stack to early with %n... before you harvest the stack pointer information
16:30 <@Corydon76-dig> Format string attack is all about leaking enough information that you can reconstruct enough of the stack header to change where the program pointer returns
16:30 <@TheLightCosine> not neccisarily
16:30 <@Corydon76-dig> without just causing the service to crash
16:31 <@TheLightCosine> using %n you can voerwrite arbitrary memory
16:31 <@Corydon76-dig> I mean, yeah, you can crash it, but the point is to execute arbitrary code
16:31 <@TheLightCosine> which incldue destructors and the glboal offset table
16:32 <@Corydon76-dig> I don't think so... you can overwrite somewhat random memory, yes, but targetting which memory to overwrite is more involved
16:34  * TheLightCosine would refer you to the Shellcoder's Handbook 
16:34 <@Corydon76-dig> Best case, you use two %n's in a single format string, the first to write an address into a stack location, then the second %n to write a value to that location
16:34 <@TheLightCosine> heh, not true, i've done it
16:34 <@Corydon76-dig> but you need to leak enough information to get to that point
16:34 <@TheLightCosine> just not on this peice of code
16:36 <@TheLightCosine> in fact to effectively overwrite an address, you have have at least 4 %ns
17:06 <@Corydon76-dig> Why 4?
17:07 <@Corydon76-dig> Writing one byte at a time?
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18:55 < uSynx> .
18:55 < uSynx> Corydon76-dig: you still around?
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19:05 <@Corydon76-dig> Yep, I'm still around
19:08 < uSynx> sweet
19:08 < uSynx> ok so i think i got this setup correctly, i ended up going with binfone and pbxes.org
19:09 < uSynx> i needed to create an extension for each sip device correct? more than one device cant be on the same extension
19:09 <@Corydon76-dig> No, more than one device CAN be on the same extension
19:10 < uSynx> oh
19:10 < uSynx> and they will all ring
19:10 <@Corydon76-dig> You just cannot have two SIP devices registered to the same peer
19:10 < uSynx> by peer what do you mean?
19:10 <@Corydon76-dig> Peer definitions are in sip.conf
19:11 <@Corydon76-dig> To dial multiple devices, you Dial(SIP/foo&SIP/bar)
19:11 < uSynx> im doing this all from pbxes.org hehe so im not sure of that context
19:11 < uSynx> well what i ended up setting up was two extensions and a ring group to ringall
19:11 <@Corydon76-dig> Then you need to familiarize yourself with the terms and capabilities they permit you to have
19:12 < uSynx> yes i am pbx stupid :(
19:12 <@Corydon76-dig> You set up a Queue?
19:12 <@Corydon76-dig> Hang on, I just heard metal falling, so I need to figure out which animal did what
19:13 < uSynx> that giant rabit!
19:14 <@Corydon76-dig> No, the parrot knocked a shot glass off a shelf onto a tile
19:15 <@Corydon76-dig> It made a clanking sound
19:15 < uSynx> it break?
19:15 <@Corydon76-dig> No, thankfully
19:15 < uSynx> good good
19:15 <@Corydon76-dig> The rabbit was nearly underneath
19:16 < uSynx> not that he would have minded im sure
19:16 <@Corydon76-dig> Yeah, brain my poor rabbit
19:16 <@Corydon76-dig> I think I'll go take a walk
19:37 < uSynx> i think ill stab out my eye with a fork
19:37 < uSynx> damn you migaine
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21:54 <@sdodson> Mercster: This is for you buddy. http://www.motifake.com/the-bible-bible-demotivational-poster-114400.html
21:55 <@sdodson> Also for anyone else with a sense of humor.
21:57 <@Sheath> bibble
21:59 <@sdodson> coil: hi
22:00 <@Sheath> hi
22:00 <@sdodson> coil: what's new?
22:00 <@Sheath> second day of class
22:00 <@Sheath> my head hurts
22:01 <@sdodson> http://www.noaa.gov/images/homepage_large18.jpg what is that man doing to the turtle?
22:01 <@Sheath> yiffing it
22:03 <@sdodson> coil: wtf is that?
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