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00:34 < Mercster> isnt anyone going to ask what kind of PC i got
00:35 < Mercster> COME ON
00:36 < Gerdesas> Ok, I'll bite.  What kind of pc did you get?
00:36 < Mercster> woohoo!
00:36 < Mercster> glad you asked
00:37 < Mercster> intel i5, 8G ram, 1TB disk, nvidia gt220 w/1G
00:37 < Mercster> built in 802.11n
00:38 < Mercster> got a new 23" widescreen monitor to go with
00:39 < Gerdesas> nice
00:39 < Mercster> aaaaand im pretty sure i dont need anywhere near this much computer
00:41 < Mercster> my plan was to do what ive always done, get a cheap emachines and put a decent videocard in it
00:41 < Gerdesas> perhaps; but it's like having a big engine in a car - you don't necessarily need it all the time, but you're damned happy to have it when you do need it.
00:41 < Mercster> but it turns out best buy doesnt sell emachines anymore
00:41 < Mercster> and this one spoke to me
00:41 < Gerdesas> They won't be missed :)
00:41 < Mercster> i actually had a lot of luck with emachines
00:41 < Mercster> this one's a dell
00:42 < Gerdesas> Dude!  You got a Dell!!!111oneoneone
00:42 < Mercster> yeah, right
00:42 < Gerdesas> Sorry, blame the beer.
00:43 < Mercster> ive already made the joke in another channel
00:43 < Mercster> no worries
00:44 < Mercster> my emachines that ive had for 4 years or so just died the other day
00:44 < Mercster> so i had to get a replacement
00:44 < Mercster> its certainly the nicest machine ive ever had
00:44 < Mercster> spec-wise, anyway
00:45 < Mercster> i also have a dell mini
00:45 < Mercster> so now my apt is all dell
00:45 < Mercster> :/
00:45 < Mercster> dude! ive got dells!
00:46 < Gerdesas> heh
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01:50 <@Evilpig> damnit.  dolemite isn't on channel now
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04:06 <@Dagmar> 7/12 ICC killzorated
04:06 <@Dagmar> ...and I was last man standing on Rotface.  :)
04:06 <@Dagmar> Well, last _dwarf_ standing anyway
04:07 <@Dagmar> The dragon murdered my eyes
04:43 <@Evilpig> got something for you to see
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07:21 < Mercster>  so, ah
07:21 < Mercster> i bought this new PC
07:22 < Mercster> and a new monitor to go with it
07:22 < Mercster> the monitor is 1920x1080
07:22 < Mercster> im trying to figure out what the purpose is, if you're not watching HD movies or some shit
07:23 < Mercster> i actually need to move my head to see the right side of the screen
07:24 < Mercster> i dont get it
07:25 < Mercster> my initial reaction is "16:9 sucks for computing"
07:25 < Mercster> am i alone here?
07:26 < Mercster> i mean im glad i have such a nice monitor, dont get me wrong
07:26 < Mercster> but the aspect ratio combined with the resoltion is just, nuts
07:59 <@Evilpig> seriously chrome?  no print preview?
08:27 <@Evilpig> and no background print support...  wtf?
08:54 < MaxieZ> Mercster: I honestly use 1920x1200 on a laptop.  I can't complain about more work space imo.
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09:10 <@Evilpig> whoa!  maxiez lives!
09:10 <@Evilpig> I was beginning to think you were just a ghost in here.  
09:13 <@opticron> a ghost in the shell account?
09:14 <@Evilpig> I'm tired and fixing IE bugs is pissing me off
09:19 < fall0ut> 16:9 isn't bad for computing
09:19 < fall0ut> I rock 2x 16:9 LCDs at home
09:19 < fall0ut> vs the 2x 16:10 at work
09:20 < fall0ut> I use 1920x1200 on my laptop, too...
09:20 < fall0ut> and it's win.
09:25 <@[1NF0]> 16:10?
09:25 < fall0ut> 1920x1200 vs 1920x1080
09:27 <@[1NF0]> ahh
09:27 <@[1NF0]> first I've heard of such a beast
09:28 < fall0ut> everyone is dumping 16:10 in favor of 16:9 since the panels are more mass produced
09:42 <@opticron> yeah, i've noticed the prices of LCDs falling
09:42 <@opticron> got a 23" LED backlit LCD for 199 shipped
09:42 < fall0ut> I think I got my 22"s for like 179
09:44 <@opticron> 5 years ago, I got my 20" 16:10 for 320 or so
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12:18 <@sdodson> Evilpig: google hates you
12:19 <@sdodson> I hate multiple monitors. A pair of wide screen monitors I think would be horrible.
12:24 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: Terrible...
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12:25 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: what?
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12:27 <@sdodson> If I didn't have the option of one large 24" or 27" monitor I'd much rather have a pair of 4:3 monitors.
12:27 < Shadow404> Dagmar: yo
12:28 <@sdodson> Shadow404: how's it going?
12:28 < Shadow404> good
12:28 <@sdodson> Shadow404: cool
12:29 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: Bah!  Bigger monitors are for failing eyesight
12:30 <@Corydon76-dig> We got a 24" monitor for my father, and it's set to 800x600
12:32 < MaxieZ> Corydon76-dig: That makes me cry deep inside.
12:32 <@Corydon76-dig> MaxieZ: he's in his late 60s
12:33 < MaxieZ> Oh it makes sense.  It's just I wish I had such a monitor and I'd use it...differently
12:33 < Shadow404> anybody good at installing a car stereo?
12:35 <@Corydon76-dig> What's worse is that he STILL squints at the screen
12:35 < MaxieZ> Wow.
12:35 < MaxieZ> Shadow404: Bring it by freeside and I'm sure they'd wire it up for you.
12:46 < Shadow404> yeah, well, i can do it myself, just wondering the process
12:52 <@sdodson> When i go home I often find my dad's 1280x1024 monitor set to 1024x768 and blurry.
12:53 <@sdodson> I finally sat him down, set it to 1280x1024 and then adjusted the fontsizes to get the same effect without running at anon native resolution.
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13:43 < uSynx> anyone use online backup
13:47 < MaxieZ> Call me crazy, but I prefer to have control over any files I feel are important enough to back up.
13:47 < uSynx> i agree, ive just completely fallen out of doing normal remote drive backupos
13:48 < uSynx> i alwasy talk about rotating drives out to friends houses, but rarely ever do
13:55 < uSynx> maybe ill just get two large identical externals and just rsync then and rotate
13:55 < uSynx> them
13:56 < uSynx> ive only got a small collection of files i really worrie about though and dropbox might do well with those
13:56 <@sdodson> MaxieZ: why wouldn't you have control?
13:57 < uSynx> sdodson: you using online backup i take it?
13:57 <@sdodson> uSynx: no, i don't have any data i need to back up
13:58 < uSynx> ahh
13:58 <@sdodson> http://www.serverwatch.com/article.php/3900711/The-Top-10-Linux-Server-Distributions glad to see the article being called bullshit in almost every single comment
14:08 <@sdodson> wow, this author is full of crap on a regular basis
14:09 <@sdodson> "7. Virtual Machines Exhibit Lackluster Performance
14:09 <@sdodson> This entry might not have made the myth list a few years ago, but technology has caught up to virtualization's hype. High performance disks and controllers, virtualization-enhanced CPUs, gigabit Ethernet and storage-area network devices place this assertion firmly in the myth column. Additionally, virtualization software has improved to the level that virtual machine performance rivals that of physical machines."
14:09 <@sdodson> gigabit networking is new?
14:09 <@sdodson> gigabit has been standard for atleast 6-7 years now.
14:10 <@sdodson> It's not terribly uncommon to see 10GB used in most virtualization scenarios these days.
14:14 < uSynx> i really need to wire my house for gigabit
14:14 < uSynx> im all 11g right now and its slow as balls
14:18 <@sdodson> what about 802.11n instead?
14:29 < uSynx> ive got 5 wrt53gls haha
14:30 < uSynx> im happy with 11g really though as i dont do much large file x-fers
14:30 < uSynx> and my netconnection is only 10Mbsp
14:30 < uSynx> ps
14:37 < daswork> Corydon76-dig: Almost bought boy butter.
14:37 < daswork> :p
14:38 < daswork> They had small packs of it when I was at the store.
14:40 <@Dagmar> MaxieZ: One of the things people find useful is that you can pretty much put two printed page previews on the screen, side by side
14:42 < MaxieZ> Usually when you use an online backup system (definitions are going to be needed to make sure we're on the same page, but that's boring) you are uploading your files to an online system managed by whomever you pay to host your backup
14:43 < MaxieZ> At that point, they can do whatever they feel they "need" to do to maintain your files.
14:44 < MaxieZ> Dagmar: I'm not sure what you're referring to.  I'm all for widescreen monitors if that's what you're referring to.
14:46 <@Dagmar> Well, I'm sitting here with a 1680x1050 and a 1920x1080.  I don't really see a problme
14:46 < MaxieZ> Yeah, I'm using 1920x 1200 on a 17"
14:47 < MaxieZ> I'd much rather have a 24" running 1920x1200
14:47 < MaxieZ> I just thought a 24" monitor running at 800x600 was sad.
14:53 <@Dagmar> Dont' buy Dell then
14:56 < fall0ut> I love my 1920x1200 15" laptop
14:56 < fall0ut> but it's getting old
14:56 < fall0ut> and nobody makes 1920x1200 in 15" anymore
14:59 <@Dagmar> Becuase you'd go blind
15:00 <@Dagmar> plus, manufacturing costs
15:00 <@Dagmar> big pixels == easier/cheaper
15:00 <@Dagmar> ridiculously small pixels == tetchy/expensive
15:04 < fall0ut> I've used 1920x1200/1600x1200 15" LCDs for years
15:04 < fall0ut> in laptops
15:04 < fall0ut> but it's getting harder to find :(
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15:12 < MaxieZ> Sweet.  A dying woman just sent me an email saying she's going to leave me 10.5 million dollars.  All I have to do is email her lawyer.
15:15 < fall0ut> awesome.
15:21 <@sdodson> MaxieZ: it's a trap!
15:25 < MaxieZ> Shut it, admiral ackbar dodson.  It's my moneys
15:28 <@sdodson> my pc at home is finally all back in working order
15:29 <@sdodson> MaxieZ: how's life treating you these days?
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17:42 <@Corydon76-dig> daswork: it's good stuff
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19:38 < uSynx> .
19:45 < uSynx> hows ntfs support in linux these days, i just picked up two 1tb portables for backup... i need to figure out what file system to use that will jive with osx windows and linux, and i dont want to get stuck with a 4gb filesize limit of fat32
20:24 <@Dagmar> It works good.
20:24 <@Dagmar> I stilldon't trust it with writes, but reads work fine
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20:27 < Mercster> the userspace thing is pretty good
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20:43 < uSynx> hrm
21:01 <@sdodson> uSynx: readwrite is supported by default in most reasonable distros these days
21:03 < uSynx> stable?
21:03 < uSynx> i think i might get the paragon ntfs driver for osx and call it good
21:03 <@sdodson> What do you mean stable? Why would a distro enable it by default if it weren't stable?
21:03 < Gerdesas> I wouldn't trust writing via the ntfs driver.
21:04 < Gerdesas> Why would ubuntu repeatedly ship broken distributions?  Why do multiple distros ship broken PA bits?
21:04  * sdodson suddenly recalls reports of ubuntu making btrfs default and retracts that
21:05 < Gerdesas> EL5 (and by definition CentOS/SL and all other respins) have had broken NTFS bits for, literally, years.
21:05 <@sdodson> But using a recent version of ntfs-3g is perfectly reasonable.
21:07 < Gerdesas> cute, ntfs-3g.org is not redirecting to tuxera's main page.
21:07 < Gerdesas> s/not/now/
21:08 < Gerdesas> But yeah, I'll agree with that.  ntfs-3g under FUSE seems quite stable.
21:11 <@sdodson> Gerdesas: Are you sure NTFS is available in RHEL5?
21:19 <@sdodson> Ya, NTFS is definitely not included in RHEL5. Though fuse was enabled in 5.4 which would make it easier to use ntfs-3g.
21:23 <@sdodson> Gerdesas: what do you mean by PA bits?
21:26 < Gerdesas> PulseAudio
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21:28 < Gerdesas> ntfs-3g / fuse is available via 3rd parties.
21:28 < Gerdesas> prior to that it was available via DKMS.
21:29 <@sdodson> But never from Red Hat
21:31 < Gerdesas> Perhaps not; CentOS might have had it in the centosplus kernel.  To be honest, I'd have to go look.  I'm not sure if it ever originated from upstream or not.  I've 0 need for ntfs under *nix so I can't speak authoratatively.
21:32 < Gerdesas> I do know that the older kmod bits were quite broken, but I'm not even sure, at this point, if CentOS ever offered those as official bits or if that was dag or elrepo.
21:32 <@sdodson> Oh, I was saying that I verified that RHEL5 never had NTFS support.
21:32 <@sdodson> It was part of centosplus, not they're suggesting people use ntfs-3g
21:33 < Gerdesas> indeed.
21:33 < Gerdesas> Thanks for the clarification :)
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21:38 <@sdodson> http://glennbeck.shop.musictoday.com/Product.aspx?cp=29940_39631&pc=BXCT013# It says something about the demographic that they're willing to spend $25 on a t-shirt
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