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00:03 <@coil> need +f
00:03 <@coil> need +D
00:03 <@coil> need +F
00:07 <@CRasH180> Does that stand for flaring Donkey of Fame?
00:07 <@coil> ya
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07:50 < todd> sdodson_: I ride the capital area greenway and shelly lake
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11:52 < Mercster> single best wikipedia article ever http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulate_(song)
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12:57 <@Dolemite> y0, be0tches and h0ez!
13:05 < Dementia_> Hey dol
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13:23 <@ware> wutup old/short timer
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15:33 <@Dolemite> Man, I keep asking them to let me WFH the rest of the week and they won't let me :(
15:34 <@Dolemite> Maybe if I show up wearing shorts tomorrow...
15:40 <@Dagmar> *shudder*
15:54 <@Dagmar> We'll see if we can't find a tour group for him to lead wearing those shorts.
16:10 <@Dagmar> Blagojevich verdict (on at least two counts)  imminent
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16:24 < epoxy> yo.. http://drewbraden.com/resource/virtual_caps.pdf  free newcastle glass to NC people
16:33 < Gerdesas> Blago was nothing more than a political hack that road the coattails of his wife and his father-in-law.  Without Mell's assistance Blago would either still be in the DA's office or in jail on corruption charges.  Amusing, were he will likely sonn be in any event :)
16:43 <@Dagmar> Fuuuuuuck
16:44 <@Dagmar> Hung jury on everything but making false statements to an FBI agent
16:44 <@Dagmar> Hopefully they'll retry him and this time get jury members who can' tbe bribed
16:55 <@Dagmar> Kraps: If you read the books, you probaly wanna skip that
16:55 < Gerdesas> I've not read the verdict yet, but riddle me this.  They had him, and his idiot brother, on tape clearly discussing their hopes and plans.  What more evidence does an enpaneled jury need to convict a pair of morons like the Blago brothers?
16:56 <@Dagmar> Apparently it needs a little less money
16:57 < Gerdesas> Anyone know the geo-distribution of the juror pool?  I suspect more than a fair share were pulled from southern Illinois; these would be the same people that put him in office originally, too.
16:57 < Gerdesas> By the way, hi :).  I'm normally in #nlug, but Corydon76-dig and CraSH180 were discussing the channel last night so I decided to pop in.
16:58 <@Dagmar> THe word "conspiracy" apparently had too many syllables and it confused them
17:03 < Gerdesas> I don't think I'd be this upset if Blago wasn't as much of a mouth-breather as he is; it's not as if he went about anything intelligently.  He was aware of the wiretap and the impending cascade of badness that was about to be unleashed on him and he continued to run his mouth.
17:04 < Gerdesas> Oh well, what can ya do.  There will be a retrial, I'm sure.  At yet more expense.
17:08 < polerin_> Gerdesas: welcome.  Please talk more, you're not a troll (yet) as far as I can see.
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17:09  * polerin pendant's at Dagmar 
17:09 < m0j0-j0j0> totally a troll
17:09 < Gerdesas> Hardly a troll.
17:10 <@polerin> Gerdesas: we have a few
17:10 <@polerin> :P
17:10 <@polerin> some think I am, but I'm just a soapbox lover.
17:10 < Gerdesas> I was involved with Chicago's 2600 to an extent back in the 80s :)
17:11  * polerin needs to find her damn paint cup so I can finish this thing.
17:12  * m0j0-j0j0 switched back to graphite.
17:14 < m0j0-j0j0> I would like to try graphite and ink, but the graphite keeps the paper from absorbing any of the ink so it just ends up smearing :/
17:14 < Gerdesas> polerin: All communities have trolls; comes with the territory in an on-line world.
17:15 < m0j0-j0j0> Gerdesas: no it's not!
17:16 < m0j0-j0j0> ^ totally my best attempt at trolling... sorry.. I suck at trolling.. I'll study ware and mercster's activity to try and do better next time
17:18 <@polerin> please don't
17:19 <@polerin> m0j0-j0j0: normally I use ink. Grab some blue Turquoise and don't overdo it
17:19 <@polerin> m0j0-j0j0: also, try a harder lead, it'll let you draw without saturating the paper so ink can't absorb
17:21 < m0j0-j0j0> I stick to the hardest lead I can already because I suck and it allows me to figure out that I'm screwing up before its beyond correction
17:21 < m0j0-j0j0> I just do layer after layer after layer
17:22 < m0j0-j0j0> I'm almost done with the one I started this weekend so when it's finished I'll scan it in and you can tell me how awesome I am to make me feel better because I kinda suck
17:23 <@polerin> lol
17:23 <@polerin> don't expect that from me, I'm critical
17:23 <@polerin> not harsh, just critical :)
17:23 <@polerin> I want people to tell me what I do wrong so I can fix it
17:25 <@polerin> but I will look at it.  also, what kind of paper are you using?
17:25 <@polerin> also, what kind of ink, using what kind of tool?
17:27 <@Dagmar> Fuck
17:27 <@Dagmar> http://nashville.craigslist.org/mcy/1902836056.html
17:27 <@Dagmar> That has to be a typo
17:27 <@Dagmar> $125 for a chinese scooter
17:27 <@coil> instead of $1250?
17:27 <@Dagmar> Well, $1250 would be the "I'm fucking you" price
17:28 <@Dagmar> Most of the chinese 50cc imports are under a grand
17:28 <@Dagmar> ...but you're not getting an MSO or anything that would be necessary to get a plate, so it's a good thing plates aren't required
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17:31 <@Dagmar> If I thought it wasn't bogus I'd buy that for Lindsey to play with in a heartbeat
17:36 < m0j0-j0j0> polerin: the paper in a sketch pad?  the kind of ink in the bottle?  a fountain pin?
17:36 <@polerin> m0j0-j0j0: try getting a 08, 05, and 01 micron
17:36 <@polerin> use that for awhile to get used to the idea of not being able to take back what you're doing
17:37 < m0j0-j0j0> polerin: don't forget... I don't know what I'm doing... my years of practice has mostly been while sitting in meeting that I don't think I should be in in the first place
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17:37 <@polerin> you'll lose a lil bit of flexability in your line variation, but you can make up for that
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17:37 <@polerin> and use your bottle ink to do fills
17:38 < m0j0-j0j0> 01 micron paper?
17:38 <@polerin> no
17:38 <@polerin> pens
17:38 <@polerin> then once you're used to laying down ink, come back to a crow quill
17:38 <@polerin> and learn to use that :)
17:38 <@Dagmar> I think I'm gonna call this guy up
17:39 < m0j0-j0j0> oh, I actually have a crow quill.. the site that told me what ink to get said to get one of those too
17:40 <@polerin> well, that's what a fountian pen is , sorta
17:40 < m0j0-j0j0> I think that (if I can do it) ink over graphite would look hot
17:40 <@polerin> similar use :)
17:40 <@polerin> you can , just don't overload the graphite on the page
17:41 < m0j0-j0j0> yeah, I know I do that
17:41 <@polerin> you can also use a lightbox, put your pencils underneath and ink on vellium
17:42 < m0j0-j0j0> but it's because I don't like charcoal (same issue as I have with ink.. I screw up too much) so I just layer on the hard led.... you'll see when I send you something... so far I've used one pencil for the entire piece.
17:42 <@polerin> and I don't have much experience either, just a lot of books and time
17:42 <@polerin> I've seen it :)
17:43 <@polerin> the vellium will fix that
17:43 <@polerin> ok back to painting
17:43 < m0j0-j0j0> I thought about inking on a really think paper and then displaying both layers
17:44 < m0j0-j0j0> oh... I had to look it up cause I didn't know what it was... but it sounds cool
17:45 < m0j0-j0j0> have to hit Jerry's and see if they have some
17:45 <@polerin> :)
17:46 <@polerin> also, what is your final goal, to display the original or to use it for some other purpose?
17:46 <@Dagmar> Okay.  I feel better now.  1. it was sold this morning and 2. it _was_ the "skateboard on a stick" variety scooter
17:47 < m0j0-j0j0> polerin: don't really know... I guess I would like to show it.. but at the end of the day I think i'd like to sell some of my stuff
17:47 < m0j0-j0j0> I've sold some paintings
17:47 < m0j0-j0j0> but when you own an art gallery that's bound to happen
17:48 <@polerin> hm
17:48 <@polerin> well, initially I'd focus on prints, scan in at ~500-750 dpi, clean up, and you've got a print
17:48 <@polerin> blue is really useful for that, because you can remove the blue without taking out the rest of it
17:49 < m0j0-j0j0> well... the best outcome would be to end up a world known respected and over paid artist, but I don't think that's going to happen
17:49 <@polerin> lol
17:49 <@polerin> wanna see the painting I'm working on?
17:49 <@polerin> my first real one
17:49 < m0j0-j0j0> sure
17:50 < m0j0-j0j0> I wouldn't say any of mine are "real one" because they happened more as acts of desperation then out of ability
17:50 <@polerin> heh
17:51 <@polerin> well I'm not sure if this would sell or anything, but I'm enjoying it
17:51 < m0j0-j0j0> those are the best kind
17:51 <@polerin> and by "real" I mean "on a canvas, and actually intending to finish it"
17:51 <@polerin> more so than "I AR SRS ARTIIIIIIIIIST"
17:51 <@polerin> can't find my camera right now, so you'll have to get a 3 day old picture
17:52 <@polerin> http://stevie.eclexia.net/erin/tmp_img/tonights_arting.JPG
17:52 < m0j0-j0j0> oh.. I've done a lot on canvas but again that was just because someone pulled all their art 24 hours before the opening and I had to get real SRS with some paint and a few friends so that I didn't have to open an empty gallery
17:53 <@polerin> ew
17:53 < m0j0-j0j0> nothing like a little forced creativity to really get your boundaries pushed
17:53 <@polerin> there's a gallery opening in the mall this weekend.  No charge for the artists, intending to focus on new artists and help get some people in the mall :)
17:54 <@polerin> I'm really happy with how the sun came out
17:54 < m0j0-j0j0> I don't think the mall would be my kind of audience :)
17:54 <@polerin> hehe
17:54 <@polerin> well, he's trying to do something different
17:55 < m0j0-j0j0> anyways.. I'm still at the office so I'm going to book outta here
17:55 <@polerin> that mall has real traffic issues, and it's his lil bit of trying to resurect it
17:55 < m0j0-j0j0> I know I should go to the gym.. but I think I'm going to go have a steak instead :)
17:55  * polerin 's stomach rumbles
17:55 <@polerin> I'm on the broke-diet this week
17:55 < m0j0-j0j0> are you talking about the "mall" near the airport?
17:56 <@polerin> er.. .. no?
17:56 <@Dagmar> Trying to cater to more of a "gansta" crowd?
17:56 <@polerin> Dagmar: nah, he's trying to pull in young professionals
17:56 < m0j0-j0j0> Dagmar: umm.. actually.. yeah.. sorta
17:57 < m0j0-j0j0> polerin: gangsta's gots the $$
17:57 <@polerin> Dagmar: though several of the artists are black and do have themes in their art that reflect that
17:57 <@Dagmar> I was talking about Hickory Hollow mall.
17:57 <@Dagmar> I've no idea wtf ya'll are drawing
17:57 < m0j0-j0j0> Dagmar: I think my work might be a little too hooch for the mall
17:58 <@polerin> m0j0-j0j0: heh, you might be surprised.  there's some boobage for sure there
17:58 <@polerin> m0j0-j0j0: did you look at the link?
17:58 <@polerin> Dagmar: actually you can see what I'm drawing above :P
17:58 <@polerin> or painting really
17:58 <@Dagmar> That would require me looking
17:59 <@polerin> :P
18:02 < m0j0-j0j0> alright folks
18:02 < m0j0-j0j0> the cleaning crew is moving me out of the way so they can clean so I'm going home
18:03 < m0j0-j0j0> word to your mother... rock the proverbial microphone and all those other groovy things you kids say these days
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18:04 < m0j0-j0j0> that's right.. I'm the hip daddy-o
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20:00 < sdodson_> todd: used to walk shelly lake
20:21 < epoxy> word
20:23 < sdodson_> epoxy: hi
20:23 < sdodson_> epoxy: you should go to phreaknic
20:55 <@polerin> rar
20:55 <@coil> i shoudl too
20:55 <@coil> but due to monetary reasons probably not :(
20:56 < sdodson_> coil: don't you still live with the parents?
20:56 <@coil> still?
20:56 <@coil> shit nigga i lived on my own for like 5 years
20:56 <@coil> i just recently moved back in with them
20:57 < sdodson_> oh, well save some cash dawg
20:57 <@coil> i goto too many cons already
20:57 <@coil> 2 a year
20:57 <@coil> but they are much closer
21:09 < sdodson_> coil: which cons?
21:09 <@coil> furfag cons
21:09 <@coil> they are better than some crappy computer nerd con
21:13 < sdodson_> coil: interesting
21:13 <@coil> i kinda wanna goto dragon con but that will cost me too
21:18 <@Dagmar> lol
21:18 <@Dagmar> coder-for-hire trolling:  http://www.getacoder.com/projects/solve%20p%20vs%20np_132036.html
21:27 <@coil> god fucking damnit im still getting text message spam
21:27 <@Dagmar> coil: From who?
21:27 <@coil> its always some different number, some different website, some differernt ad
21:27 <@coil> this is very irritating
21:27 <@Dagmar> Report them to the FTC
21:27 <@coil> 6462497890
21:27 <@Dagmar> Or lets' start fucking up some sites
21:28 <@coil> 9083407239
21:28 <@coil> walmart gas card
21:28 <@coil> and free laptops
21:28 <@coil> im going to blow some company up
21:29 <@coil> ddos www.laptop33.com plz
21:29 <@coil> the walmart gas card didn't provide a url
21:30 <@Dagmar> Nah don't DDos them
21:30 <@Dagmar> Start filling in blanks
21:30 <@Dagmar> myfakeidentity rmemeber?
21:30 <@coil> what
21:30 <@Dagmar> er fakenamegenerator.com
21:31 <@Dagmar> Or find ya a pay phone to call from
21:31 <@Dagmar> Or both.  :)
21:33 <@coil> call them and say what
21:33 <@coil> fuck you?
21:33 <@coil> was i put on some "spam me plz" list
21:33 <@coil> this is fucking ridicious
21:33 <@Dagmar> "*clears throat* Can you hear me?  Hello?  Can you hear me?..."
21:34 <@Dagmar> "Ah yes... Good mornings to you today, my name is Emmanuel Fisker and I'm calling about the offer of free money cards that I just recieved on my cellular phone"
21:35 <@Dagmar> Pretend you are the nonexistant person.
21:35 <@Dagmar> The one who you just got about 95% of a life story on from the web site
21:36 <@Dagmar> For bonus points, if htye actually try to use the made up card number right there and find out it doesn't work, switch to the next made-up identity
21:36 <@coil> how will this stop the spam
21:36 <@Dagmar> Do not, for one moment, acknowledge the previous name or information you gave.  Pretend it never happened.
21:36 <@Dagmar> Waste their time.
21:36 <@Dagmar> A few lunatics with too much time on their hands is all it takes to screw up criminal enterprises like that
21:37 <@Dagmar> Halfway through the call, ask what they're wearing
21:37 <@Dagmar> You've never called up telemarketers to abuse them before, have you
21:37 <@coil> i haven't
21:38 <@coil> it seems like a waste of my time
21:38 <@Dagmar> It's great fun
21:38 <@coil> i would have to be really drunk or something
21:38 <@Dagmar> ...and the best part is that no one (who matters) gets hurt.
21:38 <@Dagmar> Being drunk is another bit of "color" you can use
21:39 <@Dagmar> I've pretended to buy and smoke crack on the call
21:40 <@coil> lol
21:41 <@Dagmar> The next one of those I pull, I'm going to want to have some lady fingers or other cheap-ass firecrackers handy
21:41 <@Dagmar> Some motherfucker is going to get what's coming to him
21:42 <@Dagmar> "Aw hell no... nobody's callin' nine one one for that lame ass motherfucka... he can just lay there and bleed"
21:42  * sdodson_ yawsn as he witnesses another dagmar drama rage
21:42 < sdodson_> OH NO YOU DINNIT!
21:43 <@Dagmar> It just depends on what it sounds like you might be able to convince the other person is real
21:43 <@Dagmar> ...which, at the very least, is usually a sale
21:44 <@Dagmar> They'll put up wiht a lot of shit if they think ther'es a sale in it
21:46 <@Dagmar> Just a note, becuse this has occurred to me and I won't do it...
21:47 <@Dagmar> People who are answering the phones at places like that operation are generally leading a very shitty life
21:47 <@Dagmar> It might acutally be a bad idea to talk them into quitting by shooting up the place.
21:47 <@Dagmar> Talking them into walking out of hteir job right then and there is fair game tho
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21:54 <@Dagmar> You know if you get them to quit, you're only improving the quality of their life.
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22:05 <@Dagmar> Wow.  Dr. Laura says "Fuck you guys, I'm going home"
22:09 <@mfph> Doris, you don't know the world your kids are living in...
22:10 <@mfph> what movie's that from?
22:10 <@mfph> it's one of the skinhead-sploitation flicks of the last decade...
22:11 <@Dagmar> No idea.
22:11 <@Dagmar> I'm pretty damn suprised this Dr. Laura thing played out hte way it did
22:11 <@Dagmar> Al Sharpton and his people lost my respect entirely
22:12 <@Dagmar> Every media outlet that spun that incident like it was bad should be ashamed
22:13 <@mfph> he said outlet.
22:13 <@Dagmar> There's an idea
22:13 <@Dagmar> Let's start throwing tantrums to the press anytime someone in the media says "white"
22:14 <@Dagmar> The BIC people are in some serious shit
22:14 <@mfph> rebeering.
22:22 <@Dagmar> The most racist site on the internet: http://www.wite-out.com/
22:22 <@Dagmar> HATE filled.
22:23 <@Dagmar> If I had HBO I'd be recording stuff off it right now to put a mash-up on Youtube.
22:24 <@Dagmar> Dr. Laura saying that HBO airs progamming that uses the word nigger like table salt, and people on HBO shows saying "nigger" over and over as a response
22:24 <@Dagmar> Then a few pictures of Al Sharpton, just for grins.
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23:52 <@Dagmar> For electrical geeks... a bit of a giggle: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=283077
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