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11:47 <@dasunt> Wow, the brother:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua-OqYZC1DA&feature=player_embedded
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17:58 <@digitalirony> free nexus one to anyone willing to take over my contract :/ pm me if your interested
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18:31 <@sdodson> yuck, android!
20:22 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: as opposed to what platform?
20:22 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: WebOS!
20:23 <@Corydon76-dig> Heh
20:23 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: what?
20:24 <@Corydon76-dig> What's the latest company that supposed to be buying them out of bankruptcy?
20:24 <@sdodson> HP bought Palm.
20:28 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: And Bono.
20:28 <@Corydon76-dig> Bono?
20:29 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: Ya, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elevation_Partners
20:29 <@Corydon76-dig> Ah
20:29 <@sdodson> On June 4, 2007 Elevation Partners announced an investment of $325m (€242m) for a 25 percent stake in Palm, Inc..[2]  On December 22, 2008 the deal was followed up with an additional $100 million equity investment in Palm, and is made with newly issued preferred stock of convertible type
20:30 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: how are you doing these days?
20:31 <@Corydon76-dig> Oh, not too bad
20:31 <@Corydon76-dig> btw, some stickers should arrive in your mailbox either Tuesday or Wednesday
20:32 <@sdodson> cool
20:33 <@sdodson> I'll be sure to hand them out Friday.
20:33 <@sdodson> when is phreaknic this year?
20:34 <@Corydon76-dig> October 15-17
20:34 <@sdodson> ok, i'll save some for the september and october meetings.
20:35 <@Corydon76-dig> Let me know if/when you need more
20:36 <@sdodson> i should try to make it this year
20:36 <@sdodson> i'll soon be able to take PTO and I have about 4 weeks to burn
20:36 <@Corydon76-dig> Be sure to bring your swim trunks
20:37 <@sdodson> oh?
20:38 <@Corydon76-dig> We're thinking of having a dunk tank, and you might be a candidate
20:38 <@sdodson>  but everybody loves me
20:39 <@Corydon76-dig> Right.  Me, too.
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21:09 < Mercster> hi
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21:12 <@sdodson> Mercster: hi
21:13 < Mercster> hiya
21:13 < Mercster> how you been?
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21:25 < Mercster> k good talkin to ya
21:26 <@sdodson> Mercster: you too, later
21:26 < Mercster> oh im still here
21:26 < Mercster> IM ALWAYS HERE
21:26  * Mercster cackles
21:27 <@sdodson> Mercster: things are good, busy
21:27 < Mercster> busy is good
21:27 < Mercster> ive been determined disabled by the courts
21:28 < Mercster> i got my medicare card the other day
21:28 < Mercster> shoulod start getting disability payments soon
21:28 <@sdodson> Mercster: what's disabled about you?
21:28 < Mercster> several psychiatric disorders
21:28 <@Corydon76-dig> Peaches is working on the same thing
21:28 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: what's wrong with peaches?
21:28 < Mercster> Corydon76-dig: tell him to keep with it. does he have a lawyer?
21:29 <@Corydon76-dig> Same as Mercster
21:29 <@sdodson> Mercster: hmm, are you working with a psychiatrist ?
21:29 < Mercster> i first applied in 2004
21:29 < Mercster> got disability in 2010
21:29 < Mercster> so it can take awhile
21:29 <@Corydon76-dig> Mercster: I believe so
21:29 < Mercster> Corydon76-dig: nod
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21:30 < Mercster> id say whats important is to keep with it, and have a lawyer/advocate on your side to help
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21:30 < Mercster> it can take many years
21:30 <@Corydon76-dig> It runs in his family, and his mother is on disability, too, for the same reasons
21:31 < Mercster> well, good luck
21:31 < Mercster> just keep with it
21:31 <@sdodson> is this common?
21:31 < Mercster> i dunno how common it is
21:31 < Mercster> how common it is really doesnt concern me
21:31 <@Corydon76-dig> It's common enough
21:33 <@sdodson> what sort of problems prevent you from working?
21:33 <@Corydon76-dig> Before I learned what Peaches' mother has gone through, I was under the impression that electroshock was an outmoded psychiatric therapy that had been completely removed from modern therapy
21:35 <@sdodson> Anyone else on DOCSIS 3.0?
21:36 <@unixfg> <-
21:37 <@unixfg> got it through Comcast in memphis
21:41 <@sdodson> unixfg: what'd they do? just provide a free speed boost or offer a new tier?
21:48 < Mercster> Corydon76-dig: its actually still used, and has quite a high success rate....it's just very rare, and extreme
21:48 < Mercster> Corydon76-dig: i run #schizophrenia on undernet, we have a member who still regularly gets electroshock, it helps him a lot
21:49 < Mercster> Corydon76-dig: my hope is that i never get that bad
21:49 < Mercster> Corydon76-dig: luckily the medicine i take helps quite a bit
21:49 < Mercster> it has its own problems, but it's certainly better than nothing
21:52 <@Corydon76-dig> His mother had to relearn how to walk after 3+ years of electroshock.  She forgot that she had children.
21:52 < Mercster> damn
21:53 < Mercster> well how long ago was that? they've changed electroshock quite a bit
21:53 < Mercster> it still has memory loss and stuff, but its not quite as violent as it used to be
21:53 <@Corydon76-dig> About 10 years ago
21:53 < Mercster> hmm, nod
21:53 < Mercster> they put you under these days
21:54 < Mercster> and dont apply quite so muchy current
21:54 < Mercster> s/muchy/much
21:54 < Mercster> i watched 'one flew over the cuckoo's nest' again the other day
21:54 <@Corydon76-dig> She used to know Nashville like the back of her hand.  Now she gets lost very easily
21:54 < Mercster> Corydon76-dig: is she happier?
21:55 <@Corydon76-dig> I don't know about happier but she's certainly less conflicted
21:55 <@Corydon76-dig> Well, AFAIK.  I've only known Peaches for about 2 years
21:55 < Mercster> when it comes to ECT it's about tradeoffs, certainly...
21:55 < Mercster> nod
21:56 < Mercster> well, bless her heart. i hope it helps
21:56 < Mercster> so far medicine is all ive really needed, doesnt solve everything but it solves a lot
21:57 <@Corydon76-dig> After the lawsuit against the doctor, part of the settlement was that he retired from practicing medicine
21:57 < Mercster> at one point in my life i considered ECT, but that was before i figured out what medicines help
21:57 < Mercster> at one point i was being given everything under the sun and it only made things worse
21:57 <@sdodson> i drove through the state mental hospital grounds, i think they're abandoned, but it's a bit erie
21:57 < Mercster> it's very complex
21:58 < Mercster> sdodson: in knoxville we still have an institution, cant remember the name of it offhand
21:58  * Mercster thinks
21:58 <@Corydon76-dig> Yeah, mental health has had a long and very unfortunate past
21:58 < Mercster> ah
21:58 < Mercster> lakeshore
21:58 < Mercster> google to the rescue
21:59 < Mercster> http://www.tn.gov/mental/mhs/mhs2.html
21:59 <@sdodson> There's bad medicine across the whole spectrum.
21:59 <@Corydon76-dig> and unfortunately, some of the past isn't far enough in the past
21:59 < Mercster> Corydon76-dig: took years to find a set of meds that keeps me stable
21:59 <@sdodson> It's just that we've learned to understand the mind much more recently than other parts of the body.
21:59 < Mercster> well the mind is still a puzzle
21:59 <@sdodson> Ya.
21:59 < Mercster> probably always will be
21:59 < Mercster> but we do learn some things
22:00 <@Corydon76-dig> The main problem with meds is that they're expensive, and without a job, it's difficult to stay on them
22:00 <@sdodson> It's unfortunate that we did bad things in the past, but I think for the most part they were done in good faith.
22:01 < Mercster> Corydon76-dig: absolutely. ive been surviving on "indigent care" for quite awhile. and the companies have patient assistence programs to get the meds to poor people for low cost, or free. now that im technically "disabled" i have medicare and will be getting other benefits
22:01 < Mercster> Corydon76-dig: but if you are totally broke, there are programs
22:01 <@Corydon76-dig> Yeah, Peaches is now on some of them
22:01 < Mercster> Corydon76-dig: ask about PAP (patient assistance programs)
22:01 < Mercster> most drug manufacturers have them
22:01 < Mercster> you can get meds for free
22:01 < Mercster> if you qualify
22:02 < Mercster> thats how ive been getting seroquel for years
22:02 <@sdodson> I don't think you answered my question earlier. What sort of problems do you have that are preventing you from working? If you're willing to discuss.
22:02 < Mercster> sdodson: bipolar II, PTSD, schizotypal/schizoid
22:02 <@Corydon76-dig> Mercster: I'm on meds, too, without which, I found it difficult to concentrate on my work
22:03 < Mercster> Corydon76-dig: nod
22:03 < Mercster> without meds i alternate between crying all day and wanting to physically assault people
22:03 <@Corydon76-dig> Effexor, Propranolol, and Omeprazole
22:04 < Mercster> im o9n seroquel, citalopram, and clonazepam
22:04 < Mercster> s/o9n/on
22:04 <@digitalirony> hello
22:04 <@Corydon76-dig> Yeah, we've noticed Citalopram has a nasty sexual side effect
22:04 < Mercster> yeah
22:05 < Mercster> i dont fuck anyone tho, so i dont mind
22:05 < Mercster> im in no position to have a partner
22:05 < Mercster> i can barely take care of myself
22:05 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: what diagnosis and drugs for the concentration problems?
22:05 < Mercster> adding someone else would be a disaster
22:06 <@sdodson> sorry, you already answered that
22:06 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: General anxiety
22:06 < Mercster> id like to have a girlfriend someday, but today isnt that day
22:06 < Mercster> i have two kids, ive had plenty of pussy
22:06 < Mercster> not really concerned with it
22:06 < Mercster> these days i just try to stay sane
22:06 < Mercster> it's enough
22:07 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: it's not a definite diagnosis, as I'm not under the care of a psychiatrist
22:07 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: your primary care doc prescribed that?
22:08 < Mercster> many psych meds can be prescribed by a primary doc
22:08 <@Corydon76-dig> Right
22:08 < Mercster> im the other way around, i dont have a primary doc, but i do have a psychiatrist :)
22:08 < Mercster> maybe with medicare now, i will get a normal doc
22:08 <@Corydon76-dig> First anxiety med was by a gastroenterologist, as the symptoms exhibited as sympathetic
22:09 < Mercster> Corydon76-dig: man tell me about it, im on high-dose anti-acid meds cuz of all the shit ive been through
22:09 < Mercster> Corydon76-dig: ive had stomach problems all my life, and it was because of the stress
22:09 < Mercster> since childhood
22:09 < Mercster> i probably have a whole in my stomach, who knows
22:10 <@sdodson> interesting
22:10 <@Corydon76-dig> I've only had it since about age 25 or so, but it progressively got worse, until I was no longer able to sit down in meetings, or I had to constantly pinch myself to deal with the pain
22:11 < Mercster> since 1st grade ive been under the kind of stress you only see in crooked wall street financiers with the IRS breathing down their backs
22:11 <@Corydon76-dig> I've sat around with a clothespin on my earlobe or elbow skin
22:11 < Mercster> needless to say, ive never had good digestive health
22:12 <@Corydon76-dig> Until then, I never understood self mutilation... now I understand.
22:12 <@sdodson> stress at that age due to family environment?
22:12 < Mercster> yeah
22:12 <@Corydon76-dig> Never escalated to that point with me, thankfully
22:12 < Mercster> severe acid reflux since my mid-20s
22:12 <@sdodson> time for bed kids, later
22:12 < Mercster> i know exactly where it came from, too
22:12 < Mercster> night sdodson
22:13 <@Corydon76-dig> g'night
22:13 < Mercster> Corydon76-dig: ive never understood self-harm, as messed up as i am
22:13 < Mercster> i guess im just good at internalizing it, or whatever
22:14 < Mercster> prolly explains my stomach problems
22:14 <@Corydon76-dig> Mercster: If the only way of dealing with massive pain is to use controlled pain elsewhere, you do what you have to do
22:14 < Mercster> Corydon76-dig: i guess so
22:14 < Mercster> ive had plenty of pain, i try to avoid it :)
22:15 < Mercster> ah well
22:15 <@Corydon76-dig> I used to also consume massive amounts of ginger daily
22:15 < Mercster> things are looking up
22:15 < Mercster> i have medicine, and have been recently declared disabled by the state
22:15 < Mercster> will be getting checks soon
22:16 < Mercster> and i have medicare, for whatever thats worth, dont know much about it yet
22:16 < Mercster> i think i need to look at plan C and D plans
22:17 < Mercster> C are medicare advantage plans, usually includes everything including prescriptions...plan D is prescriptions only
22:17 < Mercster> i probably need to find help for it all
22:17 <@Corydon76-dig> Just saw an episode of MythBusters where they proved ginger worked for motion sickness
22:17 < Mercster> Corydon76-dig: oh yeah
22:17 < Mercster> i suffered from panic-induced nausea for many years, but then i was prescribed clonazepam (klonopin)
22:18 < Mercster> havent had many panic problems since
22:18 < Mercster> i credit klonopin for saving my life
22:19 < Mercster> the first serious psychological problems that cropped up for me was panic
22:19 < Mercster> panic attacks so bad, id be on the floor of the bathroom, hyperventilating
22:19 < Mercster> early 20s
22:19 <@Corydon76-dig> Yeah, I take Propranolol for panic attacks
22:20 <@Corydon76-dig> It's probably about time for my yearly refill
22:20 < Mercster> if you ever wanna switch to benzodiazepenes, try klonopin
22:21 < Mercster> fast acting, does the job
22:21 <@Corydon76-dig> Yeah, mine isn't that severe yet
22:21 <@unixfg> sdodson: they doubled the speed of their non docsis3 stuff at no charge, so I was getting 16Mbit constant with the same 23ish for 'powerboost'. that was without having the new hardware, though. I've got a new box on their top plan now, though.
22:22 <@Corydon76-dig> I had my doctor lower my dose of omeprazole, so that I could stay on the lowest effective dose for as long as possible
22:23 < Mercster> Corydon76-dig: oh i had to look it up, thats what im on
22:23 <@Corydon76-dig> My Effexor is similar... it's the lowest dose marketed
22:23 < Mercster> for the acid reflux
22:23 <@Corydon76-dig> Prilosec is the brand name
22:23 < Mercster> Corydon76-dig: i had bad experience on effexor, id never take it again
22:23 < Mercster> yeah prilosec, im on the generic, i knew the name was familiar for some reason but didnt connect the dots
22:24 <@Corydon76-dig> Effexor is my third daily anxiety pill, after Lexapro
22:24 < Mercster> effexor has bad withdrawl symptoms
22:24 < Mercster> for me anyway
22:24 <@Corydon76-dig> amitryptaline was my first
22:24 < Mercster> mini-seizure type events
22:24 < Mercster> id never touch it again
22:24 < Mercster> im on 20mg prilosec a day
22:24 <@Corydon76-dig> Oh, all SxRI's have withdrawal symptoms
22:24 < Mercster> seems to manage it well
22:25 < Mercster> Corydon76-dig: yeah but not as bad as effexor. paxil is another one with bad withdrawl effects
22:25 <@Corydon76-dig> Yep, same here, down from 40mg
22:25 < Mercster> im on citalopram (celexa)
22:25 < Mercster> seems to wor4k
22:25 < Mercster> work
22:25 <@Corydon76-dig> I tried going off Lexapro myself, and that was a bad idea.
22:26 < Mercster> yeah i was on lexapro until my indigent care plan didnt cover it anymore
22:26 < Mercster> so switched to celexa
22:26 <@Corydon76-dig> but Effexor is an SNRI, instead of an SSRI
22:26 < Mercster> iirc lexapro is an isomer of celexa
22:26 < Mercster> right
22:26 < Mercster> triple acting
22:26 <@Corydon76-dig> Right, Lexapro is what they did to Celexa, to extend the patent
22:26 < Mercster> yeah
22:26 < Mercster> heh
22:27 <@Corydon76-dig> and surprisingly got something that was more effective than the original, for generalized depression
22:27 < Mercster> well from what ive read lexapro is one of the most effective SSRI's, and celexa is closely related
22:27 < Mercster> and it keeps me from crying all day
22:27 < Mercster> so im happy with the citalopram
22:28 <@Corydon76-dig> They did the same thing with Prilosec... the next one is Nexium
22:28 < Mercster> yeah, nod
22:28 < Mercster> but you can get pretty cheap generic prilosec nowadays
22:28 < Mercster> im not gonna pay for nexium
22:28 < Mercster> im on a budget of $0
22:28 <@Corydon76-dig> Yep, my Prilosec is no longer even the prescribed stuff, because I found it cheaper OTC
22:29 < Mercster> (soon to be changed when i get my disability payments)
22:29 < Mercster> yep
22:29 < Mercster> i get the food city brand prilose
22:29 < Mercster> c
22:29 < Mercster> works fine
22:29 < Mercster> mom has been paying for that shit for years now
22:29 <@Corydon76-dig> I paid $18 for a 42-pack of Prilosec, as opposed to the prescription plan of $15/30
22:30 < Mercster> i eagerly await my disability payments
22:30 < Mercster> so i can start taking care of myself
22:30 <@Corydon76-dig> Well, I need to go eat something before I go to bed
22:30 <@Corydon76-dig> Later
22:30 < Mercster> have a good one
22:31 < Mercster> i should eat something too
22:31 < Mercster> but im not quite hungry enough yet
22:32 < Mercster> woke up at 5pm today
22:32 < Mercster> so ive got a ways to go
22:32 < Mercster> went grocery shopping today
22:32 < Mercster> got two chef salads from the deli
22:32 < Mercster> i figure that'll be my dinner tonight
22:32 < Mercster> since it's more perishable than anything else i got
22:33  * Mercster jams to music
22:55 < Mercster> if she floats then she is not
22:55 < Mercster> a witch, like we had thought
22:55 < Mercster> a down payment on another
22:55 < Mercster> one at salem's lot
22:55 < Mercster> serve the servants
22:55 < Mercster> ohhhh no
22:57 < Mercster> that legendary divorce
22:57 < Mercster> is such
22:58 < Mercster> a bore
23:02 < Mercster> UFC fightnight rerun, starting on Versus
23:02  * Mercster tunes in
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