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09:17 <@nachoguy> ahoy!
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09:34 <@m0j0-j0j0> hola
10:02 <@m0j0-j0j0> okay.. then fuck you all
10:03 <@opticron> not right now
10:03 <@opticron> later
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10:08 <@ware> mornin
10:08 <@nachoguy> mr0nin
10:11 <@ware> hangin out onsite while HP tech swaps a server mobo
10:11 <@ware> contemplating some WoW haha
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11:06 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
11:06 <@nachoguy> hey big pimpin!
11:08 <@Dolemite> what's shakin and bakin?
11:08 <@nachoguy> pretty sure I'm making it down to PN this year
11:08 <@Dolemite> Cool, I will be there on Friday
11:09 <@Dolemite> Just found out that a close friend of my wife (and now me, by marriage) is getting married that Saturday.  Skipping the wedding is NOT an option.
11:09 <@nachoguy> yeah, I know how that goes
11:10 <@nachoguy> is it local?
11:11 <@ware> wutuup
11:13 <@Dolemite> warezb0t
11:13 <@Dolemite> get your bike working yet?
11:14 <@ware> almost
11:14 <@ware> need to wire up headlights and get bar end mirrors
11:14 <@ware> then its good to go
11:14 <@ware> minus front turn signals
11:14 <@Dolemite> vroom vroom!
11:14 <@ware> but its got em on the back so i think thats legal
11:14 <@Dolemite> yeah, better get all the lights in order
11:15 <@Dolemite> cops love to ticket teh spr0t bikes
11:15 <@ware> i got one for having a headlight out before
11:15 <@ware> not having the running light working
11:15 <@ware> but i didnt know the bulb burnt out
11:15 <@Dolemite> yeah, one of the guys at work who lives in LaVergne asked why I didn't drive on over one night when I had a front running light out...   I reminded him that he lived in La Vergne.  heh.
11:16 <@ware> haha
11:17 <@Dolemite> so you gonna come on the field trip with us weekend after next?
11:20 <@ware> i gotta do the gf thing
11:21 <@ware> i bailed on her this past weekend
11:21 <@ware> and this weekend we were supposed to do stuff but im going camping with other friends
11:21 <@ware> im down for lunch this week sometime tho!
11:21 <@Dolemite> bring her along!
11:21 <@Dolemite> cool
11:21 <@Dolemite> I'm just now venturing back to solid foods...  had the stomach flu Sunday/Monday
11:21 <@ware> she may be down into that
11:21 <@ware> err down for that*
11:22 <@ware> rerackin a server
11:22 <@Dolemite> yeah, we'll do the distillery tour, then probably grab some Messican in Manchester before going to the cave
11:22 <@ware> ill see what she says, not sure shes been to the distillery before but id bet its something she'd enjoy
11:23 <@Dolemite> She in Cookeville or Nashville?
11:24 <@Corydon76-dig> ware: yeah, and that way, we get to "vet" her
11:24 <@Dolemite> Corydon76-dig : Quiet.  I'm trying to increase attendance.
11:24 <@Corydon76-dig> lol
11:25 <@nachoguy> Corydon76-dig: I think wsmith and I are down for the PN pancake breakfast thing, provided no one else stepped up and accepted
11:26 <@Corydon76-dig> nachoguy: I thought you had deferred to the HSV crowd
11:27 <@nachoguy> Corydon76-dig: I wasn't sure if I could make it.  If HSV stepped up and accepted, I'm good with that
11:27 <@Corydon76-dig> I think you're welcome to assist, especially if you bring another griddle
11:27 <@Corydon76-dig> Last year, there was a line
11:27 <@nachoguy> I'm sure I can swing that.  Who from HSV is running it?
11:28 <@Corydon76-dig> Brimstone and the 256 Makers Local
11:28 <@brimstone> awesome band name
11:29 <@nachoguy> Brimstone, you need a couple extra hands and a griddle?
11:30 <@brimstone> sure!
11:30 <@brimstone> i want to try the jim'
11:31 <@brimstone> s pancakes method
11:31 <@ware> rofl
11:31 <@ware> ill help eat them
11:31 <@nachoguy> I don't know that one
11:31 <@ware> and bring chocolate chips
11:31 <@nachoguy> We are fairly good at making obscene pancakes though
11:31 <@brimstone> he uses a ketchup type squeeze bottle to do simple designs
11:31 <@ware> squeeze bottles work fine
11:31 <@nachoguy> ahh, way fancier than us
11:31 <@Corydon76-dig> Oooo, neat idea
11:32 <@brimstone> it looks like a very easy way to prevent pancake batter from going everywehre
11:33 <@Corydon76-dig> Peaches will be in charge of the food budget this year, so if you'd like anything additional, he's the guy to coordinate with
11:38 <@brimstone> so Makers Local 256 can run it again this year and put out a donation box again?
11:38 <@Corydon76-dig> Yes, absolutely
11:38 <@brimstone> nice, thanks
11:39 <@brimstone> what will be provided? the griddle, the mix and water right?
11:39 <@brimstone> and a large bowl, appropriate measuring devices
11:40 <@brimstone> i'll get a squeeze bottle to start trying that
11:40 <@nachoguy> Syrup
11:41 <@Corydon76-dig> Large bowl, measuring cups, large spoon
11:42 <@Corydon76-dig> and a chafing dish for serving
11:42 <@Corydon76-dig> Basically, same stuff as last year
11:42 <@brimstone> yup yup
11:42 <@Corydon76-dig> If you'd like anything additional, let Peaches know
11:42 <@brimstone> i think i still have access to another large griddle, i'll have to ask again
11:43 <@brimstone> can do, thanks Corydon76-dig
11:43 <@Corydon76-dig> I don't remember if we provided OJ last year or not
11:43 <@brimstone> that'd be nice for people
11:44 <@Corydon76-dig> but margarine, syrup...
11:44 <@Corydon76-dig> plates, forks, knives, cups
11:45 <@brimstone> napkins/paper towels
11:45 <@Corydon76-dig> yep
11:45 <@Corydon76-dig> With the exception of the foodstuffs, those are all in storage
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12:06 <@Dolemite> speaking of storage, I need to get the bar and the screens to you to put into storage, Corydon
12:06 <@Dolemite> like, sooner rather than later
12:06 <@Dolemite> they are taking up garage space
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12:17 <@Corydon76-dig> Dolemite: can you provide transportation to the storage space?
12:17 <@Corydon76-dig> I certainly don't have vehicle space to transport them, but I can provide you with a key and/or meet you there
12:18 <@Dolemite> Corydon76-dig : Where is said storage space?
12:18 <@Dolemite> The problem is that on weekends I have the kids, meaning that I have no cargo space in the car
12:18 <@Corydon76-dig> Closest intersection is the Elm Hill exit off Briley
12:18 <@Corydon76-dig> Just west of there (closer to the city) is Public Storage
12:19 <@nachoguy> Brimstone, I've got a decent size Griddle
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12:28 <@brimstone> nachoguy: yeah, it's not so much that i needed a second person, but a second griddle
12:28 <@brimstone> a second person would be great too, to measure and mix the next batch, etc
12:28 <@brimstone> but then it's just pour, wait, flip, wait, unload
12:29 <@Corydon76-dig> Well, and relief assistance might also be helpful, so that one guy doesn't need to stand in one place for 2-3 hours
12:30 <@brimstone> yeah
12:30 <@brimstone> just sitting down and taking a break is nice too
12:30 <@brimstone> what's the time frame for pancakes?
12:30 <@brimstone> 7 or 8 till 10 right?
12:31 <@brimstone> saturday?
12:31 <@Corydon76-dig> Right
12:31 <@Corydon76-dig> You're welcome to do it Friday, too, though the audience will be much smaller
12:32 <@Corydon76-dig> and Sunday, for that matter
12:32 <@brimstone> ooh...
12:34 <@Corydon76-dig> though if you're planning to do that, let me know at least 3 weeks in advance, so it can be put into the program
12:36 <@brimstone> go ahead and put us down for that too
12:36 <@Corydon76-dig> All 3 days?
12:37 <@Corydon76-dig> Or just Saturday/Sunday?
12:37 <@Dolemite> brimstone : You need to practice making the Hacker Inside logo pancakes
12:37 <@brimstone> Saturday/Sunday right now
12:37 <@Dolemite> or at least a cog pancake
12:37 <@brimstone> Dolemite: yup, and the Makers Local gear
12:37 <@Dolemite> That would be teh coolio
12:38 <@Corydon76-dig> You could probably do that with some creative metalwork and aluminum sheeting
12:38 <@Corydon76-dig> Basically a cookie cutter
12:38 <@brimstone> yup
12:38 <@brimstone> just need practice
12:39 <@brimstone> and the right tools :)
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12:51 <@Dolemite> what you need to do is build a robot to squeeze out the batter in the right pattern!
12:52 <@Dolemite> robot overlord pancakes!!@$!
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13:40 <@Corydon76-dig> Dolemite: Terrapin Logo?
13:40 <@Corydon76-dig> REPEAT 4 [ FORWARD 10 RIGHT 90 ]
13:41 <@nachoguy> brimstone: I'm in for Satuday only.  Sunday we need to get on the road
13:42 <@Corydon76-dig> If you arrived Thursday evening, you might be able to do Friday
13:43 <@ware> brimstone: smiley faces with the eyes / mouth cut out
13:43 <@ware> fill with butter / syrup / bacon
13:43 <@nachoguy> I'm pretty sure I won't be in any shape to work it Friday morning =>
13:44 <@Corydon76-dig> ware: or egg yolks
13:44 <@ware> mmm yah
13:44 <@ware> cookem up right htere
13:44 <@ware> like a scrambled egg batter
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13:59 <@Corydon76-dig> http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/pedophiles-dont-fit-in/
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15:35 <@Dagmar> Blah blah blah
15:35 <@Dagmar> CNN is only moderately a-tizzy about this black woman being fired from the FDA
15:37 <@Dagmar> ...because of some stuff she said during a presentaion 20 years ago.
15:37 <@Dagmar> ...which was unfortunately for her RACIST AS HELL.
15:38 <@Dagmar> They're trying to say the comments were taken out of context.
15:38 <@Dagmar> I say, "SUCK IT UP, BITCHES"
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15:44 <@nachoguy> 20 years ago?  let it slide man
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16:00 <@Dagmar> Me personally, I don't give a dman
16:00 <@Dagmar> I just find is amusing that there's all these people going "Oh she should have a second chance"
16:01 <@Dagmar> These being the same people who are practically howling for a lynching when it's a white guy saying it
16:01 <@Corydon76-dig> She should have a second chance, in this economy
16:01 <@Dagmar> I'd agree, but it would apparently be setting a double-standard
16:01 <@Corydon76-dig> Besides, 20 years ago?  people can change their minds in 20 years
16:02 <@Dagmar> ...one where white people should be killed for being percieved as racist, and one where black people are given a slap on the hand for actually being racist.
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16:06 <@Corydon76-dig> Is this Shirley Sherrod?
16:06 <@Dagmar> Probably
16:07 <@Corydon76-dig> It's Agriculture, not FDA, and she was pressured to resign; she didn't get fired
16:10 <@Dagmar> ...and how does that bear on this?
16:10 <@Corydon76-dig> Additionally, the farmer she referred to is on record as saying that she helped him save his farm
16:10 <@Dagmar> Yeah I saw that
16:11 <@Dagmar> The fact remains, she gave a pretty damn racist presentation on it
16:11 <@Dagmar> ...an up and admitted that she treated him poorly because he was white.
16:11 <@Corydon76-dig> I saw the clip, and it was more like she didn't do everything that she could have to help the guy
16:12 <@Dagmar> Yep.  That's what she said.
16:12 <@Corydon76-dig> But that's not necessarily race; it could be laziness
16:12 <@Dagmar> It was race.
16:12 <@Dagmar> She was really clear on that.
16:13 <@Dagmar> It wasn't just one mention of the word "white".
16:13 <@Dagmar> She was talking about how many black farmers had lost their farms, and how it bothered her to help a white man, and how she took him to a white laywer so "they" could help "one of their own".
16:14 <@Dagmar> Not necessarily out and out hate, but absolutely, positively, racist.
16:14 <@Corydon76-dig> Possibly, but the comments were from before she worked at USDA
16:14 <@Dagmar> She wouldn't have resigned if she didn't know she was caught red-handed
16:15 <@Corydon76-dig> Um, she's given the opportunity to resign, so that forceful termination wouldn't be on her record
16:15 <@Corydon76-dig> She clearly stated that she was forced to resign
16:16 <@Corydon76-dig> by her supervisor
16:16 <@Dagmar> She could have taken it to court and made them justify it
16:16 <@Corydon76-dig> Court of public opinion is easier
16:16 <@Dagmar> She can't hold that post and have this racist thing hanging over the office tho
16:17 <@Dagmar> Well, the court of public opinion clearly treats black racists a lot nicer than it does white ones, so I still don't see a problem.
16:18 <@Corydon76-dig> She's not exactly a political appointee; she's a civil servant
16:18 <@Dagmar> Sucks to be in her field thne
16:19 <@Corydon76-dig> If we disallowed anybody who had ever voiced something racist from holding government jobs, the Bush administration would never have been able to fight a war
16:19 <@Dagmar> I note that Don Imus is still fired.
16:19 <@Corydon76-dig> Don Imus was not employed by the government
16:20 <@Corydon76-dig> and he's not exactly hurting these days, either
16:21 <@Corydon76-dig> Firing Don Imus is like firing a CEO from the Fortune 500... the amount of money he was paid in his termination dwarfs many government employees' annual salaries
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16:32 <@Dagmar> Doesn't matter.  It's a double-standard being employed here.
16:33 <@Dagmar> That Don was *absolutely* forced to be fired without any avenue for recourse or anyone even trying to let him explain himself...
16:33 <@Dagmar> Those assholes can suck down some suffering for what they will surely think of as one of "their own"
17:13 < eryc> hrm
17:14 < eryc> it seems plausible that her racist attitude might do some good at the FDA
17:14 < eryc> perhaps they will regulate them white folk better
17:14 <@Corydon76-dig> USDA, not FDA
17:15 <@Corydon76-dig> Dagmar: wasn't Imus explaining himself when they fired him?  It's not like he didn't have a mouthpiece to speak to several million people at once or anything like that
17:16 <@Dagmar> Talking while they chuck you out the door unheard is a far cry from this
17:16 <@Dagmar> All I'm hearing is blah blah pedantry blah
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17:18 <@Dagmar> As far as I'm concerned, if they're going to keep perpetuating this bullshit, they have to treat _black racists_ with just as stern a hand as they're treating _white racists_
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17:25 <@Corydon76-dig> Bleah.  You've made up your mind and shut everything else out, so any discussion is pointless
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17:34 <@Dagmar> You've yet to say anything that bears on it.
17:34 <@Dagmar> The woman is clearly a racist.
17:35 <@Dagmar> Whether or not Joe Farmer was too hillbilly to realize it at the time doesn't matter.
17:35 <@Dagmar> Someone who is that racist shouldn't be in such a position of authority.
17:35 <@Corydon76-dig> But it wasn't for the USDA
17:35 <@Dagmar> Soe what
17:36 <@Dagmar> It's the same woman.
17:36 <@Dagmar> Whether or not she worked for someone else at the time doesn't matter a bit.
17:36 <@Dagmar> She's still a racist.
17:36 <@Corydon76-dig> She can't change her mind in the 20 years in between?
17:36 <@Dagmar> Of course not.
17:36 <@Corydon76-dig> So in your opinion, once a racist, always a racist
17:36 <@Dagmar> Not until white people have seen her suffer and apologize and know that she's seen the error of her ways
17:36 <@Dagmar> That's how it works.
17:36 <@Dagmar> We've seen it three times in the last two years.
17:37 <@Corydon76-dig> That's not how it works
17:37 <@Dagmar> That's what's _FAIR_.
17:37 <@Dagmar> ...because that's how it's _been_ working.
17:37 <@Dagmar> Fire first, ask questions later, maybe.
17:37 <@Corydon76-dig> So tradition first.  Justice later.
17:37 <@Dagmar> I'll bet you haven't even watched the whole speech she gave.
17:37 <@Corydon76-dig> I'll bet I've been working while you're piddling around, watching the news
17:38 <@Dagmar> That she's trying to claim these are remarks "taken out of context" tells me that she's not serious
17:38 <@Dagmar> Yet you have time for pedantic trollery
17:38 <@Dagmar> I'm flipping between windows double-checking things
17:39 <@Corydon76-dig> Thank you for making the case that conservatives don't have a monopoly on closedmindedness
17:40 <@Dagmar> Thanks for letting me know you need back in the ignore list for being a trolling pedant
17:42 <@Corydon76-dig> Oh, no!  The ignore list!  Whatever shall I do, whatever shall I do?
17:42 <@coil> I have put you on a permanent ignore, public and private. I have found you disturbing, rude and generally not worth talking to. According to the channels you hang on, it strengtens the effect of wanting to put you on ignore because of my lack of interest in you as a person. This message is not meant to be rude to you, just to inform you that i won't see anything of what you type from now on.
17:43 < eryc> lol
17:43 < eryc> i agree, fuck her with a USDA approved rancid sausage
17:44 < eryc> she was probably pretending to be "extra helpful" to the farmer, all the while not giving two shits about him
17:44 <@Corydon76-dig> eryc: It saved his farm.  Results matter
17:44 < eryc> she can't be trusted, her ethics are in question
17:45 < eryc> is he still farming now?
17:45 <@Corydon76-dig> If I only had to deal with "racists" like that for the rest of my life, that would be perfectly splendid
17:45 <@Corydon76-dig> Dunno
17:45 < eryc> it sounds like the lawyer saved his farm
17:46 < eryc> what exactly did she do?
17:46 < eryc> besides make the farmer realize the dept of ag was not going to help him
17:46 < eryc> when they could have, if he was black
17:46 < eryc> granted all i know about this is what i've read here
17:47 <@Dagmar> She helped him find a "white lawywer"
17:48 <@Dagmar> Because obviously it would have been too much for her to bear, helping him find a black lawyer or something
17:48 <@Dagmar> eryc: It's in heavy rotation on CNN and has been all afternoon
17:48 <@Corydon76-dig> More information here:  http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2010/07/obama-white-house-dragged-into-ag-departmentnaacp-flap/1
17:48 <@Dagmar> I saw the speech thing before I even left the house
17:49 <@Corydon76-dig> She wasn't working for Dept of Ag at the time
17:49 <@Dagmar> I was frankly pretty shocked to see that much racism out in the open in a _color_ video.
17:49 <@Dagmar> YOu expect to see that shit in maybe the 50's.
17:49 <@Corydon76-dig> but for a rural farm aid group
17:49 < eryc> you mean _colored_ video?
17:49 < eryc> :P
17:49 <@Dagmar> No, I mean a color video.
17:50 <@Dagmar> That woman didn't once mention even a noun pertaining to a person without "white" or "black" being in front of it
17:50 < eryc> so let's see "20 years ago"
17:50 < eryc> 19 fucking 90?
17:50 <@Dagmar> Yeah
17:50 <@Corydon76-dig> The video states that she was initially racist, but the plight of the farmer opened her eyes
17:50 <@Corydon76-dig> 1986, actually
17:50 <@Dagmar> Her judgement is suspect
17:50 <@Dagmar> The lying about it being taken out of context just seals the deal for me
17:50 < eryc> GTFO!
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17:50 < eryc> see m0j0 listens
17:50 < eryc> heh
17:51 < eryc> hrm
17:51 < eryc> does anyone have Qik video chat?
17:51 <@Dagmar> @#$#@ I may just call this admin and ask why he's wanting thirty goddamn cables checked out
18:07 <@sdodson> YOU GET HJIM!
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18:17 <@Dagmar> Niv: They're pro, obviously
18:20 <@sdodson> One sign of insanity is talking to yourself on a regular basis.
18:38 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: another sign is arguing with Dagmar and expecting him to concede a point
18:38 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: fair enough
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19:00 <@ShadowHntr> another is doing the same thing multiple times and expecting different results...
19:07 <@Dagmar> ShadowHntr: Something like expecting sdodson to not be a prick?
19:12 <@ShadowHntr> LOL
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