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02:11 <@Evilpig> Damn you CSS!
02:12 <@fie> Evilpig, I can help!
02:12 <@fie> I'm tha CSS mastah
02:12 <@Evilpig> nah.  it's just a fuckin' glitch.  an ID is taking precident over a class
02:13 <@Evilpig> I have a rule set for #id div and it is applying to #id div div like an ass
02:13 <@fie> id should take precedence over class
02:13 <@Evilpig> I know that.  it is
02:14  * fie shrugs
02:14 <@Evilpig> but it is going to #id div div, instead of staying at #id div like I told it
02:14 <@fie> I need a job
02:14 <@fie> someone needs to pay me for my skillz... it's such a waste.
02:14 <@fie> I don't feel shame on myself... I feel shame for everyone else for letting this go to waste.
02:15 <@fie> Well depending on what you are defining about the element it will trickle down like reganomics
02:16 <@Evilpig> I know.  I am just slapping this together instead of planning it out right.  mainly just bitching to bitch
02:16 <@fie> planning!? OUTLINES ARE FOR CHUMPS! :D
02:17 <@fie> It's cool... I'll just sit here and make obvious statements to make obvious statements.
02:17 <@Evilpig> if I just changed .sponsorlogo to #sponsorlogo it would fix it.  but would be technically WRONG! because I would have several instances of #sponsorlogo
02:18 <@Evilpig> although nothing is stopping me from changing the parent to a class from an ID
02:21 <@fie> perhaps defining multiple classes on the element?
02:21  * fie shrugs
02:22 <@fie> no that's no good... or maybe it is... balls
02:22 <@Evilpig> thought about that too.  something it still hinky
02:23 <@Evilpig> lemme throw this to my test site and you can look.  it's something small but annoying.  it really isn't a problem it just looks bad to me
02:26 <@Evilpig> http://wilpig.org/~wilbur/dev/pn14/
02:26 <@Evilpig> click sponsors
02:26 <@Evilpig> see the 30px of margin appearing under the logo.  that is the inheritence
02:28 <@fie> I don't see it actually
02:28 <@Evilpig> you don't see a little bit of white space below the digium logo?
02:29 <@Evilpig> two blank lines worth
02:29 <@fie> digium logo?
02:30 <@fie> did you send the right link?
02:30 <@Evilpig> click sponsors.  it should have a pop up frame
02:30 <@fie> Oh sorry, talking to 3 people....
02:31 <@fie> I don't see a logo
02:31 <@Evilpig> you got adblock or something on?
02:31 <@Evilpig> I should change that directory to something other than /sponsors/
02:32 <@fie> that was it, one moment
02:34 <@Evilpig> before I put this latest iteration into production I am gonna adjust paths and file names to avoid the adblock problem cause I have it too
02:38 <@fie> doesn't the text need to be in the same element as the image?
02:38 <@Evilpig> No I put them in different so i could float the image easier.  I could put them together but didn't.  I mean I guess I could float hte image just the same without the div wrapper
02:39 <@fie> Try doing display: inline; on .sponsorlogo{} ?
02:41 <@Evilpig> I found a way.
02:41 <@Evilpig>   margin-bottom: 0px !important;
02:41 <@Evilpig> forced the margin on the logo div
02:41 <@Evilpig> well the logo class
02:42 <@fie> So it definitely was an inheritance problem.
02:42 <@Evilpig> yeah
02:42 <@Evilpig> I could see it was through firebug.  just not sure why
02:43 <@Evilpig> i'll worry about it another time.  got the effect I wanted 
02:43 <@fie> Yup
02:43  * fie rolls a cig
02:44 <@Evilpig> looking for safari..  where did I leave that
02:44 <@fie> chrome should cover safari shouldn't it?
02:45 <@fie> Ok, nevermind, that sounded kind of dumb.
02:46 <@fie> netscape is not firefox as safari is not chrome
02:46 <@Evilpig> i've testing in firefox, ie, chrome, safari and on my pre.  all look good
03:01 <@Evilpig> I have too much fun with this shit.
03:01 <@Evilpig> "I like PhreakNIC, can I get my logo on here too? Hells yes you can! "
03:06 <@Corydon76-dig> Evilpig: Could you update the site to change the speaker deadline to August 1st?
03:06 <@Evilpig> already did
03:07 <@Evilpig> and fixed the problem I was having with mobile browsers at the same time
03:07 <@Corydon76-dig> I don't see that change
03:07 <@Evilpig> force a refresh
03:07 <@Corydon76-dig> Aha
03:07 <@Corydon76-dig> That was it
03:07 <@Evilpig> damn those broswer caches
03:08 <@Evilpig> http://wilpig.org/~wilbur/dev/pn14/
03:08 <@Corydon76-dig> Friday after I got home, I found the latest 2600 magazine in my mailbox
03:08 <@Evilpig> would digium have any problems with that sponsor section?
03:08 <@Evilpig> I sent an email to their marketing link about a press kit
03:09 <@Corydon76-dig> Looks good to me, but yeah, I'll ask Julie about it.
03:09 <@Evilpig> k.  i'll hold that one off from going live until I hear from you
03:09 <@Corydon76-dig> We have tomorrow off, but she should be in on Tuesday
03:09 <@Evilpig> Gotta get the redbull stuff added in there still as well
03:32 <@Evilpig> everyone is off here today too
03:35 <@Evilpig> Corydon76-dig: you got any idea on what I should put on a flyer for PN14 or at least design type ideas?  I am trying to get that section done as well. 
03:36 <@Evilpig> really tempted to put a deep link in there for the image notlarry made "because god promised to never let this happen again"
03:43 <@Corydon76-dig> You thinking of a poster style flyer or a trifold brochure?
03:46 <@Corydon76-dig> I think that's an "in" joke that only works for people who have been there before, not really for people who are new to PN
03:47 <@Corydon76-dig> I suspect we use the "Hacker Inside" logo, then create a short treatise on what hacker means to us, then end in an invitation to come see for themselves
03:48 <@Corydon76-dig> Jeep is doing a commercial right now in that vein... it's a long treatise on the value of doing, then ends up in a promo
03:52 <@Evilpig> poster style
03:53 <@Evilpig> I was just looking for where Dagmar sent me the hacker inside svg that I was gonna use to watermark something then throw up some text on top, dates, etc
03:53 <@Evilpig> but I can make it comic style I think with a talking head
03:54 <@Evilpig> and I think that demotivational poster that notlarry made is gonna appear somewhere in the site.  just not sure where yet.  but almost 100% certain it will be there
03:58 <@Corydon76-dig> Better idea... wait for PN and ask Mirage to make it one of the replacement images on the network
03:59 <@Corydon76-dig> The less someone is prepared for it, the bigger reaction it will get
04:01 <@Corydon76-dig> Heh, FCC announced on Friday that 855 numbers will be activated October 1st
04:04 <@Evilpig> haha I like that idea
04:20 < aestetix_> hey
04:20 < aestetix_> Anyone here good with Django?
04:25 <@Evilpig> not I
04:30 <@fie> Ugg CMS
04:31 <@fie> I've kind of started my own sort of CMS
04:32 <@fie> I'm not good with any CMS... it's honestly faster for me to program my own...
04:36 <@Corydon76-dig> fie: I once believed that... it's only after you write your own and begin to see all the features that you don't have, that you understand better why to use a published CMS
04:37 <@fie> Corydon76-dig, and that's exactly the issue with CMS's too many damn features.
04:37 <@fie> all piled on top of each other
04:37 <@Corydon76-dig> No, the issue is that you don't have the opportunity to use all of them, so the extras are confusing to you
04:38 <@fie> like an filthy blood shit orgy of features fueled by coke and ecstasy
04:38 <@Corydon76-dig> Clearly, it's a sign that better documentation is needed
04:39 <@Corydon76-dig> One thing that I think a good CMS needs is history, like a Wiki
04:39 <@fie> Content management should be easy... if a secretary cant' handle doing updates then it's worthless.
04:39 <@Corydon76-dig> The ability to revert a changeset or even to review the totality of that changeset is more important than creating tags for bold, italics, etc.
04:40 <@fie> I'll be sure not to credit you on that idea ;P
04:40 <@fie> But it's cool, I never finish my project anyway.
04:40 <@fie> projects*
04:40 <@Corydon76-dig> Not really my idea, but thank you
04:40 <@fie> Sure thing man, I consider you a friend.
04:41 <@Corydon76-dig> It's an idea that was better created elsewhere, and I simply find value in it
04:42 <@Corydon76-dig> If I was going to set up my own CMS, I'd use Wiki software and simply tightly control who can get an editor account
04:42 <@Corydon76-dig> It'll be light soon, so I should probably try to get some sleep
04:42 <@fie> That's pretty much where I'm coming from
04:43 <@fie> Except I want to make it easy to write modules for it and easy to install them.
04:44 <@Corydon76-dig> Well, easy for you and easy in general are two different goals
04:44 <@Corydon76-dig> I have confidence on the former, but less so on the latter
04:44 <@fie> Make it easy to build your site's sections out of the components then content editors are automatically generated for each section.
04:45 <@fie> classes and documentation and documented code.
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10:19 < K4k_> Anyone here going to HOPE this year?
10:34 <@sdodson> not me
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10:46 <@Evilpig> I have not got the funds
11:01 < K4k_> :-(
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13:36  * sdodson thinks it's time to go to chipotle
13:36 <@[1NF0]> Sounds like a durn good idear! ;)
13:37 <@sdodson> their guacamole is AWESOME
13:43 <@[1NF0]> I've never been :-/
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16:00 <@sdodson> geocaching.com yay or nay?
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19:05 <@sdodson> http://www.businessinsider.com/iphone-4-video-sex-chat-services-already-staffing-up-2010-6  lol
21:14 <@fie> I want to develop ipwn games
21:14 <@Shadow404> i want to ipwn your mom's game!
21:14 <@fie> osx86 works on vmware
21:14 <@fie> going to try to get that going
21:14 <@fie> really need more memories
21:14 <@fie> like 3000
21:15 <@fie> Shadow404, good luck with that brah
21:15 <@Shadow404> giggity
21:15 <@Shadow404> nah, i had a great time tonight at hime
21:15 <@Shadow404> im all set
21:35 <@sdodson> roflmao, scene at a beach with people in yellow protection suits "We pulled one out of the water completely covered in oil today. Senator Richard Burr..." and they then show clips of people cleaning up someone completely covered in oil.   hooray political ads
21:39 <@sdodson> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWrgmT_Vl7Q
22:41 < daswork> Meh.
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23:20 < daswork> Phone system now is OOB signalling, righT?
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23:47 <@Corydon76-dig> daswork: yes, it is
23:48 <@Corydon76-dig> Majority of telco links are SS7, which is rather difficult to get if you're running anything less than a T3 of voice lines
23:49 <@Corydon76-dig> Most advanced signalling you can typically get at a CPE site is ISDN over T1
23:50 <@Corydon76-dig> and even that is strongly weighted towards the network side as to what you are permitted to do
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