--- Log opened Fri Jul 02 00:00:45 2010 00:21 < dasunt> Gah. 00:24 -!- juice [1000@67.48.16.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:24 -!- juice [1000@67.48.16.165] has joined #se2600 00:44 <@Dagmar> Oh holy crpa 00:44 <@Dagmar> hahahahahah 00:44 <@Dagmar> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-IGcCfLdAo 00:44 <@Dagmar> ^-- a product of Nashville... Hillsboro High 00:45 <@Dagmar> A "park kid" 04:53 -!- sasquatc4 [sasquatc4@c-76-25-180-64.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:21 -!- Peaches1984 [one@c-69-137-80-31.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 06:23 -!- dzup [dzup@unaffiliated/dzup] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:38 -!- ML256_Kiosk [~makers@wifi.makerslocal.org] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:05 -!- dzup [dzup@support.team.at.shellium.org] has joined #se2600 08:05 -!- dzup [dzup@support.team.at.shellium.org] has quit [Changing host] 08:05 -!- dzup [dzup@unaffiliated/dzup] has joined #se2600 08:28 < Todd> morning 09:10 -!- sasquatc4 [sasquatc4@c-76-25-180-64.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 09:10 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sasquatc4] by ChanServ 09:26 < nachoguy> mr0nin 09:27 <@sdodson> http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/tor/bik/1818360923.html 09:33 < nachoguy> nice 09:34 -!- unixfg [~ryan@ghruaim.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:35 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 09:55 < nachoguy> ahoy 09:57 <@Dolemite> what's shakin'? 09:57 < nachoguy> not much, wishing it was Tuesday 09:57 <@Dolemite> why's that? going on a vacation? 09:58 < nachoguy> this holiday weekend is going to be annoying 09:59 <@Dolemite> how so? 09:59 < nachoguy> have to wake up pre dawn tomorrow so I can fly out to CT, so I can rent a car to drive to NY (because some people suck at planning). Wedding on Sunday. Drive back to CT and fly back on Monday 09:59 <@Dolemite> ah 09:59 < nachoguy> I'm sure the wedding will be fine (you know, other than wearing a suit on the 4th of July) 10:00 <@Dolemite> I dunno that I'd want to get married on a national holiday 10:01 < nachoguy> I think the idea was that they'd be sure that everyone would have off of work and be able to attend 10:02 <@Dolemite> yeah, but then for their anniversary every year they have to choose between getting together with family or going somewhere 10:04 < nachoguy> meh, their call 10:05 < nachoguy> I'm mostly unhappy about suit+July weather and the stupid travel conditions 10:13 <@Dolemite> well at least it will be in the Northeasy 10:13 <@Dolemite> er, Northeast 10:14 <@Dolemite> imagine if they decided to get married on a beach in FL on July 4 10:14 < nachoguy> mmm, crude oil 10:14 < nachoguy> =>\ 10:14 <@Dolemite> Atlantic side ;) 10:16 -!- unixfg [~ryan@ghruaim.net] has joined #se2600 10:16 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o unixfg] by ChanServ 10:18 -!- Venom_X [~pjacobs@adsl-99-20-147-171.dsl.aus2tx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 10:18 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Venom_X] by ChanServ 11:25 <@Dagmar> Wow... And here I thought their excessive use of heat sink paste was bad... http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/technology/29dell.html?_r=1 11:25 <@Dagmar> This explains a LOT about failure rates 11:25 * Dagmar darts off 11:29 -!- Falun [~richard@75-37-195-222.lightspeed.lsatca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:53 -!- h1t3ch [~h1t3ch@li118-60.members.linode.com] has joined #se2600 13:04 -!- Venom_X [~pjacobs@adsl-99-20-147-171.dsl.aus2tx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Venom_X] 13:06 < rattle> I hate Comcast. 13:06 < rattle> When you finally get a senior NOC guy, they will acknowledge problems, then refuse to do anything about them. 13:07 < rattle> Their official line on asymmetric routing is that it "occurs frequently and should not in and of itself 13:07 < rattle> cause customers any reachability issues"... 13:08 < rattle> Hence, they will announce their prefixes prepended three times to ISP A, yet prefer ISP A for routing out all their traffic.. 13:09 < rattle> When other network operators complain that anyone using video conferencing, RDP, or other latency sensitive applications are experiencing issues.. It's not an issue.. Because asymmetric routing isn't an issue. 13:09 < rattle> wtf? 13:10 <@Dagmar> This is why Comcast shoudln't be allowed to deploy QoS 13:10 <@Dagmar> They'd have to know what they were doing first. 13:10 <@Dagmar> ...otherwise their idea of QoS is "throttle all competing services" 13:10 < rattle> They run a fucking 10gige backbone, but their traffic engineering is done by mickey mouse.. 13:11 <@Dagmar> You didn't catch onto that during their SandVine debacle? 13:12 <@Dagmar> I mean, when their "anti-BitTorrent" technology starts spamming out FINs on any connection that's existed longer than a few minutes and not on port 80/443... jesus 13:14 < rattle> It 13:14 < rattle> It's really fustrating.. 13:15 < rattle> Now, I can drop in a routmap that will prefer one AS over another for traffic going to Comcast and make my routing match their fucked up routing... 13:16 < rattle> But then a week from now, they will fuck up their routing in a different way, and I'll have to change it again.. Which of course I will not pick up on until someone complains about it. 13:16 < rattle> But.. WHY THE FUCK SHOULD I HAVE TO ENGINEER MY NETWORK TO WORK AROUND COMCAST BEING STUPID?! 13:16 < rattle> 66.208.229.0/24 *[BGP/170] 21:16:41, MED 3, localpref 100 13:16 < rattle> AS path: 2828 6453 7922 I 13:16 < rattle> > to 65.46.126.21 via t3-1/0/0.0 13:16 < rattle> [BGP/170] 21:16:53, localpref 100 13:16 < rattle> AS path: 701 3356 7922 7922 7922 I 13:16 < rattle> > to 65.195.227.25 via ge-0/0/3.0 13:16 < rattle> Which one would _you_ prefer? 13:17 < rattle> I think my router is making the right decision. Don't use the one that's 3 ASN hops further away. 13:17 < rattle> So why the fuck are they sending to me over AS701? 13:17 < rattle> Fucking idiots. 13:17 -!- epoxy [~epoxy@dialin.inttek.net] has joined #se2600 13:18 < nachoguy> It looks like they're equal distances (all hops being equal that is) 13:18 < nachoguy> my guess is that they've got cheaper transport one way 13:18 < rattle> This: AS path: 2828 6453 7922 I 13:18 < rattle> And this: AS path: 701 3356 7922 7922 7922 I 13:18 < rattle> Are _not_ equal. 13:19 < rattle> By prepending, they are specifically indicating they want people to send traffic other paths. 13:19 < rattle> But then they are preferring that path for sending themselves.. 13:19 < nachoguy> well, they both have two hops to 7922, so they prepended addional copies of 7922 to fuck with weighting 13:19 < rattle> That's stupid. 13:19 < rattle> That's bad traffic engineering.. 13:19 < nachoguy> Like I said, it porbably comes down to cheaper transport 13:20 < nachoguy> some beancounter says "hey, we save 1.21 Jiggadollars by using that pipe, so do it" 13:20 < rattle> I have no problem with them preferring one pipe over another. I just want them to do it in a symmetrical manor. 13:21 < rattle> If they don't want people sending traffic to them over AS3356, fine! Then don't send _me_ traffic over it either! 13:22 <@Dagmar> Keep in mind... Comcast is all about the one-way internets. 13:22 < nachoguy> yeah, it's kinda their speciaity 13:22 < rattle> To digress.. I'll never understand why L3 uses AS3356 when they have AS1... 13:23 < nachoguy> hrm, that word needs an 'l' 13:23 < nachoguy> I wonder how much bogus traffic gets sent to AS1 13:23 < rattle> It's not actually live.. 13:24 < nachoguy> true, but that doesn't mean that people don't randomly configure it on test boxes and them *whoops* connect it to the internet 13:25 <@Dagmar> Yeah, just ask UToronto about one of it's 127.x netblocks 13:25 <@Dagmar> ...or was that 128.x 13:38 < fie_> Anyone got any PHP work to contract out? 13:53 -!- epoxy [~epoxy@dialin.inttek.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:56 -!- m0j0-j0j0 [~m0j0-j0j0@vnet503-hosoc.mcclatchyinteractive.com] has joined #se2600 13:56 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o m0j0-j0j0] by ChanServ 14:03 <@Dagmar> Wow. Rob Steele just WANTS to lost his fuckin' job 14:04 <@Dagmar> s/lost/lose/; 14:04 < fie_> IT WAS ACCEPTABLE IN THE EEEIIGHTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES 14:05 < fie_> IT WAS ACCEPTABLE IN THE EEEIIGHTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES -- IT WAS ACCEPTABLE AT THE TIIIIIIIEIEEEEEMMMEEE 14:07 <@Dagmar> To annoy the crap out of everyone else 14:52 < fie_> for shore 15:16 <@m0j0-j0j0> and seven cheers ago 15:19 < Todd> smoke break 15:34 <@m0j0-j0j0> grr I missed it 15:49 < aestetix_> word 15:56 -!- Peaches1984 [ten@c-69-137-80-31.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 16:17 -!- epoxy [~epoxy@dialin.inttek.net] has joined #se2600 16:22 -!- m0j0-j0j0 [~m0j0-j0j0@vnet503-hosoc.mcclatchyinteractive.com] has left #se2600 [] 16:25 -!- rattle [~rattle@208.87.107.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:29 -!- Venom_X [~pjacobs@74.61.90.217] has joined #se2600 16:29 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Venom_X] by ChanServ 16:29 -!- rattle [~rattle@208.87.107.12] has joined #se2600 16:45 -!- epoxy [~epoxy@dialin.inttek.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:59 -!- Peaches1984 [ten@c-69-137-80-31.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:01 -!- unixfg [~ryan@ghruaim.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:08 <@sdodson> hi 17:08 <@sdodson> zomg it's rattle 17:24 -!- emwav [~emwav@166.137.12.237] has joined #se2600 17:25 -!- emwav [~emwav@166.137.12.237] has quit [Client Quit] 17:38 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Guest71106 17:40 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: h1t3ch 17:41 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Guest71106, h1t3ch 17:49 -!- Peaches1984 [~Peaches19@adsl-070-148-117-237.sip.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 17:52 -!- Corydon76-lap [~Corydon76@adsl-070-148-117-237.sip.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 17:52 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Corydon76-lap] by ChanServ 17:52 <@Corydon76-lap> Anybody else heading to the Nashville 2600 meeting? 18:07 -!- epoxy [~epoxy@dialin.inttek.net] has joined #se2600 18:20 -!- Guest71106 [stfu@mist3r-2-pt.tunnel.tserv12.mia1.ipv6.he.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:21 -!- coil [stfu@mist3r-2-pt.tunnel.tserv12.mia1.ipv6.he.net] has joined #se2600 18:22 -!- coil is now known as Guest58130 18:30 -!- Venom_X [~pjacobs@74.61.90.217] has quit [Quit: Venom_X] 18:39 -!- epoxy [~epoxy@dialin.inttek.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:54 -!- [1NF0]_Lap [~1NF0]_Lap@75-150-13-105-Atlanta.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #se2600 18:54 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o [1NF0]_Lap] by ChanServ 18:58 <@[1NF0]_Lap> Atlanta meeting 404 not found ;) 19:26 -!- [1NF0]_Lap [~1NF0]_Lap@75-150-13-105-Atlanta.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has left #se2600 [] 19:26 -!- mtown_nerd [~jhester@ghruaim.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:27 -!- unixfg [~ryan@ghruaim.net] has joined #se2600 19:27 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o unixfg] by ChanServ 19:47 -!- Corydon76-lap [~Corydon76@adsl-070-148-117-237.sip.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:52 -!- Peaches1984 [~Peaches19@adsl-070-148-117-237.sip.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:21 -!- oddball [~oddball@c-76-22-243-130.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:23 -!- Peaches1984 [one@c-69-137-80-31.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 20:38 -!- Corydon76-lap [silver@c-69-137-80-31.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 20:38 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Corydon76-lap] by ChanServ 20:50 -!- oddball [~oddball@c-76-22-243-130.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 20:53 -!- Corydon76-lap [silver@c-69-137-80-31.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:10 -!- epoxy [~epoxt___@71-15-26-216.dhcp.hlrg.nc.charter.com] has joined #se2600 21:12 -!- sync350 [~sync@adsl-88-138-152.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 21:13 -!- sync350 [~sync@adsl-88-138-152.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:24 <@Dagmar> Holy shit 21:25 <@Dagmar> BP is actually shilling news articles spewing bullshit about the spill 21:25 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o oddball] by ChanServ 21:26 <@Dagmar> That 21:26 <@Dagmar> 's just wack 21:40 <@Corydon76-dig> Eh, they're more akin to the "journalists" who work for the Vanderbilt Register... 21:41 <@Corydon76-dig> It's all feel-good shit 21:42 <@Corydon76-dig> Not that there sometimes isn't something interesting in the Register, but it's all pro-University official stance stuff 21:44 -!- epoxy [~epoxt___@71-15-26-216.dhcp.hlrg.nc.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:04 -!- epoxy [~lsthree@71-15-26-216.dhcp.hlrg.nc.charter.com] has joined #se2600 22:13 -!- epoxy [~lsthree@71-15-26-216.dhcp.hlrg.nc.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:15 -!- Dolemite [~scott@99-2-142-130.lightspeed.nsvltn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it.] 23:12 -!- epoxy [~lsthree@71-15-26-216.dhcp.hlrg.nc.charter.com] has joined #se2600 23:18 -!- nachoguy [~boster@nacho-tested.hrapproved.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:18 -!- nachoguy [~boster@nacho-tested.hrapproved.com] has joined #se2600 23:18 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o nachoguy] by ChanServ 23:43 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@pdpc/supporter/silver/CRasH180] has joined #se2600 23:43 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o CRasH180] by ChanServ --- Log closed Sat Jul 03 00:00:45 2010