--- Log opened Fri Mar 12 00:00:06 2010
00:09 <@dasunt> WTF?
00:09 <@dasunt> So some school in Alabama cancelled the prom instead of letting a lesbian take her girlfriend to it?
00:10 <@Corydon76-dig> Mississippi
00:10 <@dasunt> My bad, Mississippi.
00:10 <@dasunt> Bunch of fucktards.
00:11 <@Corydon76-dig> Yep
00:11 <@dasunt> Really, even if you agree with there assumption that lesbianism is wrong, why is punishing the *other* children the way to go?
00:11 <@dasunt> Stay classy, MS!
00:12 <@Corydon76-dig> Because it's a common affliction of conservative types not to think about their decisions
00:12 <@Corydon76-dig> If they thought about the effect they have on their kids, they would cease to be conservatives
00:12 <@dasunt> I hope they lose their lawsuit.
00:13 <@Corydon76-dig> What lawsuit?
00:13 <@Corydon76-dig> Having prom isn't a right
00:13 <@dasunt> I think the ACLU is suing them.
00:13 <@Corydon76-dig> No, the ACLU advised them that they could not deny the lesbians tickets or entrance to the prom
00:15 <@Corydon76-dig> Supposedly, someone is going to organize a private prom, so they can prevent the lesbians from attending, but the school needs to be very careful how they do that, because it could very easily turn into a school function, even if privately funded
00:16 <@dasunt> How about the argument that the school is derilect in their duties by making decisions that they know will result in harassment for this poor girl in question when she gets blamed for the cancelation of the prom?
00:16 <@Corydon76-dig> If the school allows the event to be promoted on school grounds, then it's likely a court would find that the prom constituted a school function, and again, they could not deny the lesbians entrance
00:16 <@dasunt> I thought the school board called for a private prom?
00:17 <@Corydon76-dig> Yeah, if the school board calls for it, it's arguably a school function
00:17 <@dasunt> From Dan Savage (okay, biased as hell, but):  The school board has invited "private citizens" to host a prom—because a group of private citizens, unlike a public school, can bar McMillen and her girlfriend from prom without risking a lawsuit.
00:17 <@Corydon76-dig> The school board needs to be very careful on that
00:17 <@dasunt> Also:
00:17 <@dasunt> The American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit today against a Mississippi High School that has canceled prom rather than let a lesbian high school student attend the prom with her girlfriend and wear a tuxedo to the event.
00:17 <@dasunt> In papers filed with the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Mississippi, the ACLU asks the court to reinstate the prom for all students at the school and charges Itawamba County School District officials are violating Constance McMillen’s First Amendment right to freedom of expression.
00:18 <@Corydon76-dig> The ACLU will lose that one
00:18 <@Corydon76-dig> Prom may be a rite of passage, but there is no right to have a prom
00:19 <@Corydon76-dig> but what they're really attempting to do is to get the outside public to harass the school board enough that they'll cave
00:20 <@Corydon76-dig> Shine a bright light and the cockroaches will scatter
00:21 <@dasunt> I really wish that in cases like these, where the school board does shit that any reasonable person knows is going to result in trouble, I really wish some people would lose their jobs.
00:21 <@Corydon76-dig> Well, if you consider that the school board is elected by the public, they are accountable
00:22 <@Corydon76-dig> However, you could make a case that the school board is not being fiscally responsible in this case
00:23 <@Corydon76-dig> Costing the taxpayer money, in terms of a lawsuit, settlement costs, etc. is irresponsible
00:23 <@dasunt> IMO, they failed their duty to the student body at large.
00:23 <@Corydon76-dig> School board isn't accountable to the student body; they're accountable to the taxpayers
00:24 <@Corydon76-dig> While I may agree with you in principle, it's not practical to be able to hold the school board accountable to those standards
00:25 <@dasunt> If the school board is negatively affecting the student body, they should be held accountable.
00:25 <@Corydon76-dig> It is a germane question, though, to ask conservatives whether they value their bank accounts or their religious values more... because in cases like this, they almost certainly will have to choose one over the other
00:25 <@Corydon76-dig> dasunt: How?
00:26 <@dasunt> What's the purpose of the school board?
00:27 <@Corydon76-dig> To control educational expenses, while meeting state and federal standards for education of the enrolled students
00:28 <@dasunt> And is a disruptive school environment conductive to meeting state and federal standards for education?
00:28 <@Corydon76-dig> But the question is, who is being disruptive?
00:30 <@Corydon76-dig> The whole point, as far as the school board is concerned, with athletics, arts, and other extras is merely to drive revenue, so what needs to come from the taxpayer is significantly less
00:30 <@Corydon76-dig> and/or to broaden the base of students who enroll
00:31 <@Corydon76-dig> The more students in each classroom, the broader the tax base, and possibly a lowered cost per student
00:31 <@dasunt> Possibly.
00:32 <@dasunt> And if they thought that it was disruptive, they could have banned her from the prom (and probably lost the court ruling, due the flaws in their case).
00:32 <@Corydon76-dig> They can't ban her from the prom.  It's well-established case law
00:32 <@Corydon76-dig> They'd lose before the prom occurred
00:33 <@Corydon76-dig> and once the lesbians attend the prom, the case is moot
00:35 <@Corydon76-dig> It's all over, other than the penalties for violating federal law
00:35 <@dasunt> Yep.
00:35 <@dasunt> And the disruption to the student body is minimal if she attends the prom.
00:35 <@Corydon76-dig> but cancelling the prom... that's not been tested in court.  And I doubt the ACLU will win on that count
00:36 <@Corydon76-dig> The problem is that courts generally can prevent a party to a lawsuit from doing something, but they generally cannot force a party into action.
00:37 <@dasunt> The school does realize that next year, the odds aren't bad that another gay couple might want to attend the prom.
00:37 <@Corydon76-dig> Now if the lawsuit occurred prior to cancellation, then the court can prevent the school from cancelling the event
00:38 <@dasunt> I can't find a date.
00:38 <@Corydon76-dig> and the court can also order the school to take no action preventing the lesbian couple from attending
00:39 <@Corydon76-dig> The ACLU will have a good case if the prom is privately organized, but the school promotes it
00:40 <@dasunt> What if legal action was sought, but nothing filed?
00:40 <@Corydon76-dig> dasunt: you're getting into particulars that I really don't know about
00:46  * dasunt doesn't know either.
00:58 <@Corydon76-dig> Oh, look.  One of the school board members is an employee of Allstate Insurance:  http://www.itawambacountyschools.com/board_members.htm
00:58 <@Corydon76-dig> I wonder if Allstate agrees with the position of their employee
01:06 <@Corydon76-dig> http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:n7BdQs0hlWUJ:www.itawambaahs.com/prom_tickets_are_on_sale_now.htm+site:itawambaahs.com+prom&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
01:08 <@Corydon76-dig> That right there... that was a violation of the law, and the ACLU can go after them simply for that
01:09 <@Corydon76-dig> They can take down the HS website, but they cannot take down Google's cache
01:33 <@Dagmar> Simpler to class action them to make them actually have the damn prom, but someone more else more sensible will probably throw it
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09:51 < fie> https://forum.nc2600.org/viewtopic.php?f=114&t=4494&start=0
09:56 < cypherghost> fie: Link broken, dude.
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09:57 < fie> cypherghost, no? you have to confirm cert... you'd also have to sign up....
09:57 < fie> http://forum.nc2600.org/viewtopic.php?f=114&t=4494&start=0
09:57 < fie> it's not a big deal....
09:57 < fie> just a log of my first script-off
10:00 < cypherghost> fie: Yeah, I understood that.
10:03 <@nachoguy> mr0nin
10:05 < fie> .
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10:55 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o cypherghost] by Corydon76-dig
10:56 <@Corydon76-dig> Morning, cypherghost
10:57 <@cypherghost> And good afternoon to you (-0500)
10:57 <@Corydon76-dig> I show 11:57 for EST
10:57 <@Corydon76-dig> Heh.
11:01 <@cypherghost> Good afternoon, then. :)
11:02 <@Corydon76-dig> Darwin Award:  http://www.newschannel5.com/global/story.asp?s=12129496
11:04 < fall0ut> this morning sucked
11:04 < fall0ut> car transport overturned on 24/40
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11:17 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
11:22 <@nachoguy> ahoy
11:23 <@Dolemite> what's shakin'?
11:23 <@nachoguy> not much
11:23 <@nachoguy> just waiting for the work day to end
11:24 <@Dolemite> heh, it's friday!
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13:05 <@Dagmar> onoes ff 3.6 is here
13:07 <@Dagmar> On second look, maybe it's not
13:08 <@scoil> i upgraded yesterday
13:08 < fie> upgrade your face
13:08 < fie> scoil,  sup <3
13:09 <@scoil> hi
13:16 < fie> scoil, you see the script-off earlier?
13:17 <@scoil> no
13:18 <@scoil> in the office?
13:18 < fie> yea
13:19 <@scoil> no
13:19 <@scoil> tl;dr
13:19 <@scoil> i just woke up too early for code
13:44 <@Dolemite> Damn, ware, you needed to recover from your wreck in Holland!
13:44 <@Dolemite> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100311/od_nm/us_dutch_nurses
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15:09 <@scoil>  An octet walks into a bar and orders a stiff drink.  Bartender asks, "what's the matter?", and the octet replies "Parity error."  Then the bartender says, "Ah, yeah, I thought you looked a bit off."
15:12 < eryc> old
15:18 <@Dagmar> Fuck Receptors International
15:18 <@Dagmar> Fuck them
15:32 <@nachoguy> que?
15:33 <@Dagmar> They sell security system management software, which is complete shit
15:33 <@Dagmar> It's not insecure.  It just sucks
15:38 <@nachoguy> like door locks and security cameras
15:53 <@Dolemite> yes
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17:00 < ware> [MAINSCREEN]# turn on && setup bomb
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17:32 <@Corydon76-dig> Glenn Beck has identified himself as the Anti-Christ:  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rev-james-martin-sj/glenn-beck-to-catholics-l_b_490669.html
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17:38 <@Dagmar> Wow.
17:38 <@Dagmar> He IS the king of CrazyTown
17:41 <@Corydon76-dig> There are few things that would cause a devout atheist to believe in God and the end times... Glenn Beck is apparently one of them.
17:44 <@Corydon76-dig> Or... could it all be a collosal joke?  http://www.octavarius.com/2010/02/24/glenn-beck-is-he-andy-kaufman/
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17:47 <@Dagmar> no, Andy Kaufman lost his sense of humor is all
17:48 <@Dagmar> Glenn Beck simply believes his own bullshit now
17:48 <@Dagmar> He is dipping into "the product"
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18:57 <@Dagmar> Man you'd almost think it's a full moon out there tonight
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19:53 <@coil_> for what
20:01 <@Dagmar> People being dipshits
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23:34 <@sasquatc4> anyone messed with an htc hero or samsung moment, i guess those are my 2 choices on sprint unless i want palm
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